The Flip Flop Of Smirksalot (Obama) On GITMO

More To The Story Than Meets The Eye

I was reading my e-mail this morning and a long time friend (thank you Annette) sent me a video about the executive order signed by The Smirkster regarding the resumption of military tribunals at GITMO. The contents of the video are rather an eye opener since Obama claims to be such an authority, and adherer, to the US Constitution when it comes to the treatment of terrorists captured on the fields of battle. This seems to fly right in the face of his statements of the past. Thinking about recent history though, this isn't at all surprising. He has been known to flip flop like a flounder at times. Please watch the video before continuing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edij2CTWrx4

My background, as a career military mind, makes me do some looking and verifying before I go pounding on this keyboard. I have been accused of making up facts before, but that is done by those who don't really know me. That career also has me firmly entrenched in the US Constitution as I took an oath to support and defend that document against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Though now long retired, I still see that as a lifetime oath, one I will never take lightly. My research this morning confirmed what Judge Napolitano commented on in the video.

Remembering the past campaign, he did indeed say that the US Constitution guarantees fairness to everyone. That is a laudable statement and something the nation should strive to insure. He even went further later stating that these terrorist detainees deserved to be tried in civilian court and given the same constitutional protections afforded to those of us who are citizens of this country or for suspects who are captured breaking the law within the boundaries of this nation.

As I read along this morning, I reflected on the news coverage by The Lame Stream Media when Smirky signed his latest executive order. First of all, again there was no consultation with Congress prior to his decision. That got him in trouble with his initial decree (that's what I call executive orders) that he was going to shutter GITMO and bring them to American soil for trial. Doesn't the guy understand by now that there are three branches of government in our country and he hasn't been crowned as King? That lack of consultation has caused Congressional figures to ponder what is behind that decision and introduce legislation to prevent Obama from again trying the flip flop maneuver of trying to move them to trial here in the country. With Obama, what you see is not always what you're going to get. But back to the subject at hand.

I lost respect for the Lame Stream Media long ago regarding their treatment of The Anointed One. You see faithful readers and Constitutional advocates, that decree was paired with another reestablishing indefinite detention for detainees at GITMO. Wasn't he the one who lambasted this practice by the administration of GWB during the presidential campaign? The flip and the flop sometimes confuses me. Or maybe it's just blowing with the political winds I witness quite often with The Smirkster, him being a politican and all. Why did the LSM omit the coupling? Maybe just an oversight. If that it is the case then I'll blame it on poor journalism or not wanting to wipe the egg off their mugs concerning their participation in the Bush bashing that occurred.

I am no terrorist lover mind you. Being a soldier, I have always viewed them as "non-uniformed" combatants. If you know anything about the law of war this is a "no-no" and can result in such people being summarily shot on the fields of strife. If I was running things, we wouldn't even need GITMO. There are 192 detainees presently confined at GITMO. Here's the rub. Of those 192 there are 48 of them, at a minimum, who have been determined by a Justice Department inter-agency panel who cannot be tried by either military commission, nor the civilian courts, because of problems with evidence would present problems during any court proceedings. Understanding the Catch 22 in this is important.

Intelligence sources have further determined that there same detainees in question continue to pose a serious threat to security that prohibits their released to the country where they were captured or any other country for that matter. The policy of holding persons captured during time of war is centuries old and nothing new. The fly in the ointment is that, in all probability, there will be no formal ending of this war which ensnared these unlawful combatants. This was their doing and not ours for about 20 years now as they have continually attacked America beginning with the first World Trade Center attack until 911, not nice people and not covered by the Geneva Convention.

Here is what candidate Obama had to say in June of 2007, that not only did Gitmo need to be closed but that “we’re going to restore habeas corpus. … We’re going to lead by example – by not just word but by deed. That’s our vision for the future.” So the brake lights started flashing did they? In May of 2009, Obama was beating around the Bush that George Bush's policy wasn't such a bad idea it seems. I wish this guy would make up his mind. So I guess, with this latest move, he has made his latest decision which is subject to change.

The US Constitution is what it is and Obama is who he is and neer shall the two seem to meet. My take on this is that he got carried away with campaign rhetoric, his tendency, without engaging his brain and having a full grasp of the subject he was discussing. But then again, I never had high expectations about a community organizer and junior Senator from the state of Illinois. He hasn't let me down in the least.

Yeah, George Bush had some things wrong but GITMO, terrorism and detention of enemy combatants wasn't one of them. They brought this upon themselves and this nation did not foist it upon them. My concern, once again, is the lack of The Lame Stream Media telling the whole truth and not omitting the parts that make Obama pale in the light of day.

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Stu From VT 5 years ago

Napolitano nails it again. Obama is absolutely off his rocker. While it's true that civilian trials are probably out of the question (minimal access to defense, no habeus corpus petition opportunities, no speedy trial, etc.), fair military tribunals are the only option. It is however unconscienable to leave people locked up forever without trial, and equally wrong to incarcerate people after a verdict of innocence.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

We can keep them in GITMO as POW's for the duration. That's a long accepted practice of nations at war.

The mistake Obama and the left is making is putting them on trial in civilian courts as war criminals and doing it now. If they are aquitted, they must be released.

Wait until the war is over and then try those POW's who are war criminals by military tribunal. Problem solved


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SheriSapp 5 years ago from West Virginia

You became a follower, so I decided to check you out, and I will be reciprocating after this comment.

First, I give you my deepest thanks for risking your life for our once-great nation. Second, I like the way you think, and I completely concur with your assessment. I also like the name for BO, Smirkster, GOOD ONE. My dad just calls him "EARS"!!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Thanks for your kind words Sheri.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog. I second Sheri's commendation of your sacrifice. I have two older relatives that served in WWII, one of whom was wounded (naval anti-aircraft gunner), who suffers pain to this day. Both have told me horrific stories of whole companies and battalians being killed. My Dad was in a 500 person unit, three of whom were picked for Japanese language training to help out with the Asian reconstruction effort. The other 497 ALL died at the Battle of the Bulge. And our president couldn't "make it" to the Veteran's Day ceremony at Arlington last year for the traditional presidential address. I'd love to give him a list of the 497 who died at the bulge, or give him a pic of my Uncle's shoulder. Obama just has no conception of what risk soldier's take to defend us.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Personally I'd like to give Obama a kick in the pants as he vacates The White House.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I wonder if my Uncle still remembers how to use his anti-aircraft gun? Obama's ass would be a good target.

>>>Note to Echelon: This is just a metaphor. No jackboot visit required.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Frog, Don't forget, B.O. was a Constitutional Law Professror. Don't you wonder what he taught his students? Why have we never heard from one of them? H


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Harvey - now the truth of the "professor" matter is that he taught a course part time. I don't think that quite qualifies him to wear the title of professor, but he seems to have made up a fairly extensive history of himself embellishing where it sounds good and omitting other pertinent facts.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Harvey, you have to take anything Oblabber says about his history prior to his Chicago days with a grain of salt. All this data is just his own word, as he has sealed his academic and birth records, and so far failed to give written permission to the applicable institutions to disseminate certified copies. In other words, everything about his history prior to his Chicago political career may be made up.

Frog - "embellishing where it sounds good and omitting other pertinent facts" - I wonder if Obama got PR training from a drug company?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Take your Prozac and call me in the morning old buddy. LMAO!


Stu From VT 5 years ago

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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Stu, If VT is Vermont, you must be fighting off your neighbors. I'm in Chicago so I'm a little informed about B.O. He has always been a nothing.

My wife works for a drug company, they once sold Oxycontin (sp). He may have been a customer in his cocain days. H


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Marcuss 5 years ago

Anything the ASS CLOWN in the WHINE HOUSE does, Does not surprise me one bit. He is a absent leader of the LWNJs that happens to have traveled to a country where Gaddafi might end up at.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Harvey, yes, VT is Vermont. I know I'd be more "loved" elsewhere, but I can still support federal candidates in other states, and there are a few state level conservative pol's in VT I can help out.

I can't wait till 2012, walking around with my "Bachmann for President" sweater or something similar. Will drive the socialists here crazy.

Sorry about the pharma PR joke (had no idea your wife works for a drug company).

Forget about Obama needing Oxycontin. If he hangs around much longer, I'M the one who's going to need painkillers.

Stu


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

I forget. Who started the Gitmo thing? Was that not GW?

I forget. So much information! And Clinton is to blame for a lot. I thought his presidency was before all this? I'm just glad we can erase all the blame from the republican party and blame it n the democrats.

If not- shoot - let's just blame it on God.

Everybody in the world knows that God likes us more than the rest of the world.

Let's keep up the good fight against socialistic policies for our people and keep these policies for the rich where they belong!

Now let's stop Obama! The man has superpowers! I've heard that he alone will put a stop to Social Security!

Oops! I forgot that was a "stop" that we wanted. Oh well. Let's put a stop to health-care for the poor at least. Everyone knows that only the money should afford to be well. Shoot- poor people can work while they're sick! They're just poor anyway. I'm just glad I don't have to eat with the poor. Thank God for high prices eh?

Y'all keep up the great work you do. We'll be able to return most of the industrialized world back to rubble soon!

Thank God, God's on our side eh?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mickey - I'll be the bearer of bad news okay. Medicaid is intended to provide health care to the poor. It is now in financial trouble. Freebies aren't free whether you're rich or poor. Someone is paying for them.

The industrialized world, as we knew it in this nation, has been outsourced. Blame it on whomever.

What we need is someone who understands how business works and is also a leader. See any likely ships coming over the horizon?

Not being a Democrat, nor a Republican, I don't care who is doing all this nonsense. It needs to stop though.

GITMO was a creation of terrorism, not a leader on the free world side. I reckon the alternative is to give em a room at your place? LMAO


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

The weasels that are attacking Obama fail to attack the worst crime family in the history of America. Most are liars, they have no idea of history but for what the GOP gives them, etc.

When will the GOP come up with their health-care.

Someone pays for it? Someone pays for the rich to get their teeth straightened and their breasts enlarged and their thighs drained because of their dumb and fat asses but I never see your pristine republicans PUKES come up with a health care program! NEVER!

"GITMO was a creation of terrorism, not a leader on the free world side." If you think that three skyscrapers came down in one day making THREE NEW WORLD RECORDS you are just as smart as the average voter. Nothing more. If you don't question, you're a sheep and nothing more.

And I would rather have a terrorist I can identify in my house than one that I cannot.

This GOP is the terrorist organization against EVERY poor person on Earth.

They ROB and ENSLAVE all they can and charge $150 for s shirt.

LMAO, giddy, on the floor laughing because it's all a damnn joke to you and your bigot friends. And make no mistake - if you are GOP you are hating the poor. It is inherent with being a member of " the club".

Shame is all this GOP is about. And I'm not a democrat. I won't be returning, I hope, to this cesspool of disinformation.

If your GOP does not have a health-care program it is a cult! GOP=- the grand oil party.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

You seem rather full of hatred Micky. I grew up poor so don't preach to me about hating the poor. But I learned something else young man. What I learned is that this is the Land of Opportunity for anyone who strives to lift themselves up by the bootstraps.

I will let your personal attack on me stand as it is so others can read it and comment if they care to.

The GOP had a health care proposal but it wouldn't be heard by the Democratic majority. The more politics change, the more it stays the same.

Have a good day and may God bless you. Try to do something about that hatred. To call people you don't have a clue about a bigot just showed me your butt.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Frog Prince, I commend you for your intelligence and endless patience with angry people who distort the truth to fit the distortion of the facts. Up and awesome.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

bp - All I can do is present the facts plainly visible to anyone and let it ride from there.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

There is no free lunch. I know it would be nice if everybody had enough of everything they need. But it just can't be achieved. The process of mass redistribution can only be accomplished via high taxation, which depresses businesses investment that creates jobs, as well as work effort. In other words, you can't redistribute what isn't produced in the first place. You're confusing the DOI's promise of "pursuit of happiness" (merit based equity) with an imaginary "guarantee of success" (equality of result). As tragic as poverty is in wealthy democracies, take a look at socialist/communist nations, where almost EVERYBODY (except the ruling government elite) is reduced to virtual unpaid slavery.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Nope! And here you are being totally NONreligious but it's only when it's convenient for the republicans to be truly Christian. I see you take your orders from Mammon.

I take mine from God. There is no mistake. Do a search on Christ's teaching. At the head of all that is the Golden Rule. That isn't just a good idea. That's the law for every religion out there. But America is business! That is Mammon! Don't talk to me about some 144,000 or whatever with all the religious trimmings when a republican wants to con a true Christian. No- this is cult you people are in. You aren't human. You aren't part of "our race". You serve money and Mammon.

You bail out the banks- no protest. You bail out anyone but the poor and say there's no money. You started a war in the Middle East and that would have funded schools around the world. Yours is the religion of Mammon.

Don't tell me it was a few hijackers from Afghanistan and Iraq. Most were Saudis.

Even so - it was your GW that pushed that button with a Massive destructive lie. With many lies. But you are not going to seek the truth. You will just try to discredit the messenger.

I'll never buy your message. You have no credibility with me one iota. I know what you are.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Micky,

2 Thessalonians 3:10: "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." This does not mean that private charity or AFFORDABLE social programs are bad, but our current big systems like SS and Medicare are bankrupting the nation.

We did bail out the banks and auto companies, but I thought it was wrong. It merely encourages the very recklessness whose effects we subsidized.

I am also against the wars in the Middle East. While Saddam and Quadafi were/are madmen, the end result won't be democracy, but a theocracy, more repressive than what Iraq and Lybia started with. And the town-by-town fighting in AFPAK will have us there forever until we just get tired and quit. And our casting Mubarak to the wind will have disastrous consequences. Admittedly he was repressive and his government corrupt, but the end result is going to be a radical Islamic Egypt in league with Iran (just as Iraq and Lybia will be).

The 9/11 hijackers were in fact Saudis, but they were funded and trained by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

You are correct that GWB lied about Iraq. There was no nuclear research going on in Iraq in 2003 (the Israeli's knocked out Iraq's only nuclear research facilities in an airstrike years earlier). Bush was trailing Kerry in the polls because he failed to wipe out the Taliban in the Afghanistan reprisal (as he promised he would). So he needed a giant win to get reelected. Hence, the takedown of Saddam.

I don't know what you think I am, but I think my points are solid and based on fact.

Stu

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