The George Zimmerman Video Tape

The general area. This sidewalk goes to the parking lot that Z was walking down. Another sidewalk is to the left where the people are. Z at lost track of T.
The general area. This sidewalk goes to the parking lot that Z was walking down. Another sidewalk is to the left where the people are. Z at lost track of T.
The scene of the fight. Z had already passed the T-section where the other sidewalk was.
The scene of the fight. Z had already passed the T-section where the other sidewalk was.
Trayvon was about 10 ft. away when T confronted Z. Z, then turned around.
Trayvon was about 10 ft. away when T confronted Z. Z, then turned around.

The police investigator tape was made with George Zimmerman the day after the accidental, non-premeditated shooting that killed 17 yr. old Trayvon Martin. Yes, of course, it tells the Zimmerman side of the story and that is very persuasive if one can put race aside (which many simply are locked into).

Zimmerman clearly has bandages on the head still, investigators are asking key questions as they go from A to Z on the event. For the first time, the public now understands why Zimmerman could not provide an address as to his location, now, one can see, why anyone might suspect any strange male walking through a condo project from the rear at night, might raise awareness. Seeing the setting tells you a lot. Zimmerman also clearly states again, he was confronted by surprise by Trayvon in the black of night, startling and scaring him. Again, Z recites that Trayvon said Zimmerman was going to die tonight and Trayvon attacked him. That is when Z pulled out is gun from under his shirt. The first thing Trayvon said, according to Z, was "Yo, do you have a problem"? Z turned around and replied, "No, I don't have a problem". Trayvon was 10 ft. away. But, Trayvon was agitated. At this time, Z reached for his cell phone and for a moment took his eyes off of Trayvon. The next thing Z knew, Trayvon was 3-4 ft. away and saying, " You do now" and that was followed by Trayvon fists.

According to CNN, while it is Zimmerman's version, simply seeing the setting seems to make Zimmerman's explanation persuasive. Of course, Trayvon is dead and cannot speak to it, so the prosecution will have more of a mountain to prove that events were different.

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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

Nah, not so much of a mountain. They have recordings of the phone call when Zimmerman was on the phone with police. If it's true that he was told not to pursue, then he screwed himself. If not, then it becomes a mountain to climb.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

the police did not tell him not to pursue, it was 911 operator, and it is not a crime to heed advice. Weak argument.


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

My opinion the story sounds like bull, if you are in the dark armed and scared of a guy who seems "agitated" you don't look away and even if you do your senses are tingling adrenalin is pumping you would hear him moving as soon as he took one step, the dialogue sounds like it comes from a B grade movie.


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

I'm not arguing, just going by what information I've been able to gather. Police dispatch/operators are cops. They are not something completely separate. When told to cease or stand down by them, then you are given a chance to avoid the situation all together. If he pursued even after being told to basically leave it alone, then a case can be made for intent. There may not be intent of murder, but he would have intent to confront. From what we know, his not heeding the officer in ceasing pursuit is what possibly escalated the situation.

Personally however, I think Florida’s stand your ground, which what Zimmerman is trying to fall back on, is the dumbest law to ever exist. Zimmerman might walk away with not even a slap on the wrist, while another woman who was trapped in her house and beaten, fires off a single shot to let the abuser know she's not afraid to fire the weapon, is give 20 years. I personally find that stupid. The Zimmerman case itself, I've lost all interest in because all the reporting that's been done has been shotty at best.


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Johnkadu123 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

It is all very well ignoring the advice of the 911 operative but at the end of the day someone lost their life. That should be something of concern for everyone. George Zimmerman should really have listened to the advice that was given to him. If he chose to ignore it, that is his right but he has to live with the consequences of the decisions that he made.

As to race issues, It is true that some people are wound up in a grievance mindset but it takes someone who has experienced discrimination of any sort to really understand what is going on. Even today, the statistics speak of unequal treatment in all sorts of spheres of life, not just race. Acknowledging those inequalities is the first step in healing.

At the moment we are listening to lots of gossip so perhaps the courts will shade light on what really happened. I am certainly hoping that there is justice for all the parties involved.


Tim 4 years ago

Think about Mukden, Gulf of Tonkin, the Sudentenland – whatever incident fills the bill. They are situations where a perception was exploited, whether you agree the original perception was justified, to expand a different agenda, usually exaggerating some danger or injustice. That higher agenda didn’t really care whether truth was served or not, or whether myths were employed as long as certain ends were achieved.

The above is the way I see the Trayvon Martin case. The black community and the political Left have taken a killing and made it into something far above what it may or not have been, and in their eyes, the case is closed. All these calls for ‘we just want an arrest’ seem phoney – what they in fact want is a conviction. Just wait and see what happens when Zimmerman walks and you’ll learn the truth of it.

In order to serve the racial obsession of the Left and urban myths about white Americans past and present, Zimmerman was magically transformed into a white man. Further, and despite massive statistical evidence that presents a completely opposite picture, the Left used the Martin case to say ‘See, we told you so – white people are murdering blacks in this country every day – hunting them even.’ One thing becomes the entirety of the United States of America because it is not seen as an anecdote, but confirmation of a massive trend.

Well, it is a lie. A lie based on hate and racism. The Dem Party has been veering into dangerous territory for at least a decade now and today they have become the most radicalized they have been in my lifetime. This radicalization has gone mainstream.

Although I suspected it, I never really believed the NBA Player’s Association would release such a patently racist press release as they did about the Martin case – you can’t get more mainstream than that. Blacks who bitterly complain about injustice, like Spike Lee, a mainstream film maker, who usually confines his whining to attacking Clint Eastwood because he didn’t depict heroic blacks at Iwo Jima, or that we should all do a Zimmerman on Cleopatra and turn a Macedonian Greek into a black sub-Saharan African, went off the rails and tried to release Zimmerman’s address – violence was certainly implied.

The real core of this situation is the urban myths black American’s hold about white people in America and the history of America, and the extent to which the liberal Left has bought into them, as if it’s still 200 years ago, slave ships still plying the waters of the Atlantic, or at least Jim Crow firmly in play. To invoke this, the Left has had to replace the now gone institutions of racism with ‘code,’ ‘dog-whistles,’ bizarre and inescapable theories like ‘white privilege,’ ‘the New Jim Crow,’ and Critical Race Theory.

Almost unbelievable racists are institutionalized in our mainstream colleges and universities: Dr. Boyce Watkins at Syracuse, Michael Eric Dyson at Georgetown, Melissa Harris-Perry at Tulane, Cornel West at Princeton and the vile James Cone at Union Theological Seminary. On top of this, you have similarly intransigent racists like Al Sharpton at MSNBC, Tavis Smiley at PBS, and Roland Martin at CNN. I have followed the writings of these people: there is not a single doubt in my mind they share the same intellectual and philosophical space as Nazis in 1930s Germany. The Dem Party is not far behind.

The Left and black Americans pillory groups like the Tea Party or GOP as racist simply because black folks don’t join them, not because they are structured around race. And every single entity that accuses the Right themselves either belongs to, or supports mainstream race-based groups too numerous to mention. Meanwhile on that conservative Right, they support not one mainstream law or organization founded on a concept of race.

Those on the side of Martin as being evidence of the endemic racism of America constantly ask others to do something they refuse to do: think of the greater good. The Duke Lacrosse case had the exact same racist sadness emerge from the black community.

In my entire life, I have never seen such a wholesale flood of hypocrisy, lies, racism and myths emerge from the Martin case as I’ve seen emerge from black Americans and the Dem Party. They have gone too far this time. What will be the result is unknown. Obama and Holder and their payback minions have already done more to radicalize blacks in a few short years than in the last 50. They have done so to a receptive audience, nodding their heads yes that America is full of white supremacists who simply went underground in 1970.

It is hard to believe I live in a country where a black Florida representative can show up to work dressed like a Bangkok hooker from a strip club and say the most vile racist things about whites. It is hard to believe that not one congressman in America has the guts to stand up and say ‘get out’ to the Black Congressional Congress. There’s more – I’ve written enough.

But I will say this: let’s no longer ask why there was not one Iraqi who had the guts to blow out Saddam Hussein’s brains, or one German close to Hitler do the same. Under far less perilous circumstances, we have become muzzled by one piece of name-calling which, considering the reality of America, is a perfect Orwellian expression of ‘doublethink’: you are a racist. Pitiful. Resolve: gone. Courage: gone. Audacity: gone. Common sense: gone. Proportion: gone. Context: gone.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Up until now, the public has not seen the setting. It helps to see it. People get hung up on race and incidental issues. The case rests on the self defense law, not if Z committed a crime for ignoring 911, for observing, for carrying a licensed weapon, for being suspicious. None of which is a crime. The doctors report, the police report so far support Z statement. The video enlightens and one can see how Z lost track of T at one point. If Z was returning to his truck and from behind, T began the escalation because he was pissed, as was discussed, there is a good chance self defense will win because that is what threatened Z. Up to that point, either could have walked away. Supporters of T keep citing issues that are not a crime for prosecution. The only crime was an accidental killing stemming from a confrontation. The question is: who started it?


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

I couldn't have put that better myself @perrya.


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Johnkadu123 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Sorry guys, I just wanted to point out a few things.

Factually George Zimmerman is a Hispanic man with mixed parentage. Barack Obama is a mixed race man etc. However sometimes you have to look at the reaction of people in order to understand how they are perceived. For example you may be a mixed race Hispanic man but the reaction of a certain section of the community will tell you what race you really are. Sounds illogical...but that is what it is.

I am particularly interested by the support that George has been getting from certain sections of the community as well as opposition from others. In my view this tells you a lot more about his 'race' than his physical appearance (which is blatantly Hispanic).

Secondly I believe that it should be of concern to everyone if people are killed on the street. As far as I am aware only the courts can sanction killing unless you are fighting a war. The courts are going to help us unravel what really happened. I am looking forward to hearing what the courts say (subject to the appeals process).

Thirdly :Today it is a black man (with all the negative stereotypes that follow that classification) being killed but tomorrow it could be a member of your family. Therefore we should be careful when promoting the argument that 'he was a lowlife anyway so he deserved to die'.

Fourthly: As far as I understand prejudice is making assumptions about people without getting to know them. I do not know whether Zimmerman is prejudiced or not but it seems that he came to the conclusion that Martin was up to no good and needed to be confronted (even against the advice of a 911 operative)

Finally many people in the Black community will automatically vote for the Democratic Party even if they dislike their policies (Same Sex marriage being an example). This is because they are frightened by people who call them names and blame them for slavery/discrimination. That is just how it is.

If the GOP is not careful they could end up having the same experience with Hispanic voters and that could be catastrophic for the Party in 50 years time.

Cases such as these and the reaction to them ensure that the Black voting block is not about to change Red.

I personally like some of the GOP economic policies but get frightened when I hear of a radio host referring to Obama as the 'First Monkey President' in the presence of a senior party official with no response. I imagine that many people who might want to join the Tea Party get that feeling (even if they may agree with many of their issues).

That's just my two cents worth of opinion. I would very much like feedback from people from different ethnic groups.


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

I followed most of your comment, until you got to the part about politics, which I don't see as having anything to do with this. I could make some comments on that, but it would continue things as spiralling off topic which isn't a good thing.

To stay on topic however, this cases biggest problem, is that it boils down to only two things. Emotional state at the time and if there was any intent. They may or may not be able to establish intent, but they are unable decide the emotional state of the person in the situation. The defence will say one thing, and the prosecution another, but what it will truly boil down to is how the jury feels. Thus the biggest issue with the stand your ground law.

The woman that was convicted and given 20 years because of this law, was beaten and thrown into a garage and told she couldn't leave. The garage was locked closed and she found a gun and went back into the house. The guy got up to approach her and she fired off a shot and went out the front door. Now she's locked away for 20 years because the Jury believed that her state of mind was not one of being in danger at all.

So the question faced in the Zimmerman case, will be whether or not his state of mind at the moment of firing the shot was one of I can't leave this alive. How they will figure that out without being that man, I have no idea, but they have to try to.


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Johnkadu123 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Hi EinderDarkWolf: Thanks for the feedback.

Do you have the name of the woman? I would like to read about that case. Perhaps it might shed light on how the courts are likely to react to a 'Stand Your Ground' defense.

As for the politics, I was responding to Tim's discussion about the Political Left. I think that this case has a lot to do with politics. The outcome is going to have a massive impact, largely due to the media coverage.

Was George Zimmerman genuinely frightened? I think you are quite right. This will be the crucial issue. I am really hoping we have an open trial so that we can see what is going on.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

I don't think anyone said T was a lowlife because he was black, there can be white trash also. But Z is hispanic\white and why is not the hispanic community coming to his defense? Z's conclusion he was up to no good does not mean he was racist, it just means there was a dude lurking around in an area with crime issues. It could have been a white or cuban, it just happened to be black. It is okay for a person to be suspicious of another and to observe them.


LikaMarie 4 years ago

Well, in any case, after being told by a 911 operator to walk from the situation, he should have. Another thing, if Martin wasn't posing an immediate threat, why call 911?

I'm not buying it that a 17 year old would come up and up close confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman pulled a gun.

Lurking is a different story, and that's when you call the non emergency number.

As for the results, forensics will have to determine how it may or may not have happened.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Martin is said to have startled Zimmerman from behind-they were 10 ft apart. It was then trayvon began the confrontation. As Z was fumbling for his phone, Trayvon then quickly moved close and punched him taking Z by surprise. They then scuffled. At some point, the gun began known to Trayvon and Z pulled it out.


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

The woman's name is Marissa Alexander and you can read that case here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-a...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/19/wo...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-m...

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660...

I apologize for the remark about politics then. I personally don't get into politics when it comes to the court room. It's another place I don't think politics belong (personally speaking).

As for the case itself, if I was a lawyer, the first thing I would try to pin down is if there was a chance for the situation to be avoided all together. Just me personally.


Mark 4 years ago

Damn it darkwolf, you're posts would have more acceptability if you weren't posing like a gay vampire in your pictures. Come on dude.


Mark 4 years ago

And before anyone blasts me. Come on, he looks like a gay vampire. Try to deny it isn't true.


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FGual 4 years ago from USA

This video should have been released sooner, now we see the environment. It's night and an unfamiliar figure walks through the grounds, hidden by a hoodie so we are unsure of his race. Several crimes committed in the area recently, by blacks. That's why we started the neighborhood watch patrol, remember. DUH, of course I'm thinking he's black, and yes he's black, evasive, uncooperative and confrontational. They say it could have been avoided, but by whom? Z is guilty of protecting his property and family, race of either is irrelevant.


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

@FGual I don't think the issue is whether or not he had the right to protect his property and family. I think the issue is whether or not he had the right (even with the stand your ground law) to use lethal force.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Yes, Z did have the right to carry the gun. It was hidden. If it went down as he stated, then, yes, under the stand your ground law. Like it or not, he feared for his life. It no doubt spooked both T and Z.


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EinderDarkwolf 4 years ago from Tempe, A.Z.

@perrya I have no doubt he had a right to carry the gun, if not he would've probably been arrested sooner. Whether or not he feared for his life is one thing to say, and another to prove. We don't have all the details, and no judgement has been passed, therefore we are unable to make any conclusions, but the pondering seems to keep the information flowing!


Frank 4 years ago

I think that everyone is forgetting about a key witness, Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone. She reported that Trayvon told her someone was following him. she then asked him to run and he replied "im not going to run, im just going to walk fast". Lastly, she claims to have heard someone ask Trayvon "what are you doing here?'

This claim made by T's girlfriend shatters Z's story.

In the end, if the stand your ground law applies it would apply to trayvon. According to the law if he felt his life was threatened than he could have confronted Z instead of walking away.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Asking T what was he doing here, is not fear of life. It is an inquiry. She made be the closest witness to an eyewitness of the clash, but still not close enough, because it happened AFTER he talked to her.

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