The Psychology of Voting and Politics; Do You Make Good Decisions and are You Qualified to Choose a President?

If you're reading this...Hell no, you can't be trusted with a ballot

You can't even be trusted to walk into a grocery store. Yes, people all around you are tricking you into making decisions for you...or at least highly influencing them. The psychology of sales is one aspect that retailers use to get you to buy more or things you don't need. Does this "tricking" work when you pick up your ballot to vote? Oh yes, it's working long before you even pick up that ballot. Headlines about the candidates are streaming your yahoo! page, Google, magazines, and on TV- it's everywhere. If you're connected, you're influenced.

The other day I saw a headline about "What Does Romney know about Black America?". Really? What does Obama know about black America- he grew up with a nanny. How many black Americans (the lower class that the media is referring to) do you know have a nanny? With that headline alone, the media formed an opinion for us. Also note, about 10% of college students attending Harvard or Columbia (two colleges Obama attended) are African American. This shows that Obama was/is not in the majority of the population considered "Black America".

And women? You're not off the hook either. We (actually I don't) spend about $30 billion, increasing dramatically every year, on anti-aging creams. Yet I've seen this campaign rouse up concern for women because the Republican party candidates have stated things that concern women- such as Republicans doing away with Planned Parenthood. Here's the deal, you don't like it (and I'm not saying any of this is true) then put your money where your mouth is. I've seen headlines about 'why women should not vote for Romney', but what are these women doing....actively as a citizen? Spending money on anti-wrinkle creams. Truth is, there is more concern over wrinkles than the future of our country.

I want to know what Obama, or any other candidate, is going to do for the majority of America (black, purple, green, and white). First, we should identify the main issue our country is facing- this would probably be security and economy. Get involved- friend of mine has a non-party/all-party organization, or start your own. And the least you can do is your research on who is the best candidate- that's your decision. So let's discuss how you make that decision.


The BIG Easy!

RECOGNITION HEURISTIC
Mental Effort: LOW. Is this making you feel any better yet? It's true, many people choose (and vote) for the name most recognized- the easiest decision, the least effort. This is how we vote for president? Often times, Yes! Why do you think we have to tolerate those annoying campaign ads on TV? Most people choose/vote based on whatever the easiest route it, the most familiar name, etc.

Easy decisions also entail whatever is easiest on you between family and friends. So not only will most people make an easy/quick decision, going for the name most recognized as related to good media and publicity, but they will make a choice based on what will appease friends and family as well. Nobody likes to cause strife between those we're close to so of course, if it means more to them, then why not vote for who they're voting for or telling you to vote for? Who thinks for themselves anymore?

I'll give you a few reasons you shouldn't follow, but first and foremost, those people are not any more knowledgeable about their vote than you. Yes, they probably know a lot more useless information than you, but they are repeating what the media has fed to them as well.

The pressure is on: There is so much pressure to just vote. Maybe it's your favorite celebrity that is telling you to be cool and vote, but whatever the input is, there really needs to be more pressure on being knowledgeable about voting and good decision-making. So should you vote if you are not informed? Good question.

What motivates people to vote?

  1. People are more motivated by the threat of a potentially bad candidate than a good one.
  2. People will not vote if they don't like either candidates and will also not vote if they like both. The past couple of decades has produced more candidates that are middle of the road and stand firmly on middle ground, meaning neither is passionate about major issues.
  3. People vote based on negative campaign ads. They want to vote against the villain so those annoying, harsh, campaign ads work.
  4. Personalities decide who wins and who loses. If we like someone then the issues fall by the wayside.
  5. First impressions matter. Most people don't follow a politician until they're a presidential candidate then they go off first impression rather than history of handling issues, etc.
  6. Most recent info trumps. Candidates spend majority of their money on their campaign right before people vote. People vote based on most recent info they hear or see.

Hey, this guy looks familiar
Hey, this guy looks familiar

A REALLY WEIRD twist of events

I think it's become popular to be a Democrat. This is just my opinion but I see the media and journalism headlines, many popular celebrities boasting their election choices, and even facebook posts. I'm a bit of a rebel so I've got to question this of course. Since the Obama election of 2008, you may have been considered prejudice and God forbid anybody be less than politically correct, if you did not vote for him.

But let me remind you...and play a little Devil's advocate. You may assume I am Republican for stating the following, but I am non-party/non-partisan. Give me the best guy (or gal) for the job. Give me results that I see sooner than later. I am merely providing an example of truly being educated about your vote. Know your history and know your candidates. Don't vote based on color (that's prejudice) and don't vote based on familiarity (that's ignorant).

Bet you didn't know...or maybe you forgot:

  • Martin Luther King Jr and Sr were both Republicans.
  • Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. Lincoln initiated the Civil War with the singular purpose of freeing the slaves.
  • The percentage of Republicans who voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act was higher than the percentage of Democrats who voted for the Act.
  • The percentage of Republicans who voted for the 1965 Voting Rights Act was higher than the percentage of Democrats who voted for the Act.

"American students are less proficient in their nation’s history than in any other subject, according to results of a nationwide test released mid 2011, with most fourth graders unable to say why Abraham Lincoln was an important figure." Sam Dillon, New York Times. "U.S Students Remain Poor at History, Tests show".

OMG, these are future voters!


This guy was a Republican?

Martin Luther King Jr.
Martin Luther King Jr.
make a better decision
make a better decision

How to Make Good Decisions

  1. Make Mistakes: We can learn and actually become smarter from making mistakes. You voted for one candidate last time and perhaps now feel that it was a mistake- just an example.
  2. Don't be tired or sleepy: i have a 6 month old- I certainly know what it's like to be tired, but I know of several studies confirming that being tired while driving is worse than being drunk. Big wake-up call! “Let me sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow” is a good saying. Be sure to get a good night's sleep before voting.
  3. Rely on habits (good) and routine for not-so-important tasks and decisions, but use crucial judgment for bigger decisions.
  4. Know that emotion is involved: We all use emotion for making decisions. In fact, studies show people who have damage to the emotional centers of the brain are unable to make decisions. The best decisions are made using both logic and emotion.
  5. Don't take in too much information: But I'm telling you to make an educated vote, you protest. Yes, I say make an educated vote, not read all the information you see on the campaign that comes across your browser, email page, nightly news, magazine, or all the other garbage that contributes to information overload. Know some things about your history- as people often make decisions based on more recent info. I'm not asking you to be over-educated on voting and the candidates, I would just like people to know the basics, read past all the media hype, and pick quality resources to get info from.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

Yes I certainly am qualified to choose a president,I was blessed with being born in Uruguay,South America, and by the time we're ten years old we are all political gurus and soccer experts.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

excellent mio cid!


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

I forgot to mention, those are the rejects, the successful ones are playing in Europe for millions of dollars and being ambassadors for Israel in the UN.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

no doubt


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Laura,

You know this hits every political chord in my body. You knew it the whole time you wrote it. You are bad to the bone and you freaking know it, girl.

I have to check some of those cool links but this is in perfect harmony with everything I've been preaching for the last two years. Thank you for the Housefire Project shout out. The subject of this Hub is a major piece of the foundation in which I'm building this organization on.

Some of us bums spend endless hours peeling back the layers of bull shit surrounding our politicians and the issues facing this country. Most people have jobs and work their tails off supporting kids and paying bills. They are over extended, and living on credit. They're looking for push button ways to solve problems because they just ain't got the time to dig. What these dirt bags are doing to us doesn't seem that far out of line to the average American because the county's 16 trillion dollars worth of debt mirrors their own life style. All a politician has to do is have some cool hair, a decent line and be in the right party, and it's a done deal with most Americans. I didn't mean to write a hub in your comments section, but this is a great little piece of work and you knew it would get me revved up. Excellent freaking job sis.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX

We really do need a voter qualification test along with required photo ID. After watching some of the videos after Obama was elected I was amazed at how uninformed, and in many cases igorant, some of our citizens are. And we let them vote? Why?

Here's a prime example of what I'm saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

The Frog


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LauraD093 4 years ago from Pittsburgh PA

How refreshing...yes you got me but I'm still glad I stopped by. A lot of the information you addressed I did know, (I've been a Independent-voter for the past 10years or so) I was surprised though about the Civil Rights Act percentages. I really enjoy your hubs they also show how a well-written hub should present itself, in the past months I've learned a great deal just reading your work.


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

I suggest that voters go to the movies and watch the documentary 2016. Then I suggest they read the book Amateur. They will know what to do after that.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Okay, New post. I was dog tired when I read this last night. I stand by what I said, but the positive thing is that we're slapping people up side the head and making them think at the Project. We're growing daily and it started with your support sis. stay with the politics a while.

jim


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

mio cid~ you have so much to say in your political hubs yet not much to say on this one. Dem crats got your toungue?

Thanks Jimwithnopants~ I don't think it's entirely necessary to peal the layers of B.S because they're politicians for a reason- they layer on that B.S like Best Foods Real Mayonaise. lol. Anyway what is important is that we look at the candidates and scrutinize whether they are right for the job- we look at what they're good at, what they've done, their personality, etc. And might I add wow on your comment- you've been working diligently on getting across your message cause that was a bomb (in a good way) comment.

Frog Prince~ I'll check the link. Our country has the lowest scores in history. Yikes! that's bad enough. I'll be the first to admit I didn't learn about this stuff until a couple years ago. Thanks for stopping by. great to see ya.

Laura~ what an awesome comment. I guess all I can say is thanks, thanks, and well...thanks. i do my research. I used to put out hubs faster but life with a new baby and the fact that I want to put out well researched hubs puts a slight delay. My creative flow is always flowing but I have to back my thoughts or research some as well...and thanks again.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

breakfastpop~ you're the smartest breakfast cookie around on this topic. I've heard of the Documentary, but not the book. Interesting...I'll have to check it out. Here's the thing I welcome Dems and repubs...any party to give me various info and links. I like to take in a mix of info so as not to become to bias. What I've always seen is Dems not addressing the issues or points specifically. A lot of vague talk, a lot of popularization (is that a word? lol) and media bias. Couple that with people who do not know about politics in general or history and we reap what we sow. I've already noticed the media coverage from photos to articles written that the Dems are played out to be positive and pictured with smiling faces while Repubs are always caught in awkward or concerned fretting looks by chance and the articles are all doomsday and already counting the losses.


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drbj 4 years ago from south Florida

I couldn't agree with you more, Laura, that voters should become more informed before they vote. Unfortunately, most of us are more influenced by emotions (as you pointed out so rationally) and the most recent negative ads we view or read before voting. Logic? Fuggettaboudit!


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Education and information are essential for making good voter decisions, might be why Democrat economists outnumber Republican economists 8 to 1 or why people on the left are twice as likely to have a college education.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Agreed Drbj!

Josak~ Education and common sense are two separate things. I have both. Also poor and hispanic are more likely to vote Dem- they have good education nowadays or did I miss something? that educated voter b.s is outdated. Please tell me what Obama has done for you and why you'll be voting for him again? That's just common sense- didn't do the job you were hired for in four years? You're fired! Thanks for stopping and next time you do...if you do, could you please give me the link or where you got the info on educated Dems outnumbering Repubs.


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

http://www.people-press.org/2005/05/10/part-3-demo...

That survey covers the demographics and facts for the college pass rate. Yes you are correct the left generally receives the educated vote and the poor vote the right generally receives the rich vote and the uneducated vote, remarkably it still evens out to the average self described liberal being 6% wealthier than the average self described conservative.

No educated voting is EXTREMELY important it's an unfortunate fact that for example economics goes right over the heads of most Americans as a result the party with the most simplistic economic explanation (which is usually incorrect) appeals more. People can't make a good decision if they don't understand what they are deciding.

Why will I be voting for Obama? (I didn't in 2008) Well let's see...

GDP growth is at 2.35% which is two and a half times better than the bubble adjusted rate for the entire Bush Presidency. In other words Obama is growing the economy two and a half times faster than Bush did on average if one takes the bubble growth into account.

Obama has reduced spending by 2.6% when inflation is included. Wall street journal article explaining the facts included below.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/comment...

Unemployment is down both in real and government dictated terms.

The stock market is back to being profitable and is indeed more profitable than it was before the collapse.

My small business taxes are down.

etc. etc, on the economy.

Socially I am very pleased that don't ask don't tell was replaced with a policy that does not punish our soldiers for being gay.

Very pleased we are now catching up to the rest of the world in terms of healthcare systems.

Very pleased we ended a dumb unnecessary war and now have a policy for killing terrorists that actually kills terrorists without getting our soldiers killed.

etc. etc.

Very long list of reasons but socially it's my opinion that he is doing good stuff, economically it's my professional opinion he is doing pretty well. Plus a quick look at austerity plans around the world shows how horribly they have failed so the Republicans are unfortunately an economic nightmare.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Since mid-2009 middle-class families have $4,700 less of disposable income. This was on Obama's watch. Congressional records (the nonpartisan CBO is one) support this figure.

Obama claims 4.5 million jobs have been added, but he never mentions how many were lost during the same period. The overall net result is that more jobs have been lost than gained during his term in office, a fact that he always omits.

Obama did not withdraw troops from Iraq. The status-of-forces agreement between Iraq and the USA managed by the Bush administration called for a draw-down of troops to mostly caretaker status.

Obama gave us the Arab Spring which is a disaster. Four(4) diplomats were killed yesterday in Egypt. Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are in charge of Libya and Egypt. It's on the news right now.

Yes, the rest of the world is doing wonderfully- we're "catching up to them?' I thought we set the bar. This is a new low.

The stock market is up as stated, but less than 25% of the citizens now participate. It's nothing more than a casino.


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

You make some good points that would convince many a simpleton, and you use the same rhetoric techniques i observe in the right wing nut talking heads, extracting and isolating figures and facts that are truthful in nature ,and using these snippets you arrive to a conclusion on the broader issue that has no resemblance with the reality our lying eyes are seeing.The truth is when Obama came into office we were looking at a true economic catastrophe, as it was even recognized by president bush if you listen to his speeches and interviews before the election, there was fear of a total financial collapse, and we were losing 750 000 jobs,the possibility of a new great depression was real, read the papers of that time, the republican candidate ,John Mc Cain had to suspend his campaign because of all this, meanwhile today's republican candidate is out boating on the weekends.We are no longer even talking double dip recession any more we are discussing how to grow the economy faster, better, I will take creating 100 000 jobs per month over losing 750 000 jobs any day.He did end the Iraq war, continuing the agreements established by the Bush administration and did it in a way that was most favorable to the interest of both countries responsibly and orderly.Obama didn't give us the arab spring, the arab spring started with the Tunisian revolution and spread to other countries where brutal dictators had ruled for decades , and he made a decision to side with the peoples which would other wise have been massacred by rulers that had done it before, if the US would have sided with the deposed regimes it would have lost any chance of being a stabilizing force with any credibility in the region.Al Qaeda is not in charge in Egypt or Libya, Al Qaeda has been rendered irrelevant and is reduced to about ten percent of what it was at its peak as it is assessed by most terrorist experts both american and international, and the Muslim Brotherhood which won the democratic elections in Egypt has not renounced the peace treaties with Israel and is engaged in diplomatic, economic and military negotiations with the US, and while it is a muslim, and theocratic leaning organization it is also supportive of democracy , free elections and a free press.Of course it would be much better if our counterparts in that country were not members of a religion/political organization that holds views that were outdated in the thirteenth century , but as John Mc Cain said today on an interview, we can not walk away from the middle east all together and cut all support for these countries because we must have a presence in the region and try to build alliances.And I like the way you dismiss the importance of the stock market having recovered its losses and the fact that what was lost in people's 401 k has also been recovered as it was reported today 09/12/12,but something tells me if the stock market was still below ten thousand you would be all over it like white on rice.And about the election I am happy to assert today that your candidate Mitt the etch a sketch Romney with his stupid statement on the recent assassinations of Americans in Libya and Egypt has lost the election , because regardless of whether he is right or wrong the timing was so damaging he can nor recover, read what Joe Scarborough said today about it, and what McCain said on the senate floor.


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ronpas 4 years ago

Very nice article plus with a good sense of humor in article.I think you are write people tends to learn by making their own mistake.(VOTED UP)!!


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

been waiting two weeks to see if you would respond but not a peep from you .Republi-Clowns got your tongue?


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I'll have to get back to you- my whole family including me were sick. My daughter ended up in hospital if you really want to know where I've been. But I can see the Democraps (smile) got you going still.


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

Do daughters, ever stop scaring parents?My daughter had an appendectomy at age 5,major heart surgery at age 12 , now she is 26, I have two beautiful grand daughters and a few months ago I'm again at the hospital with her for gall bladder stones .. but I really must thank god she is in good health and hopefully i'll get a long break before the next scare.I wish you all have a quick recovery so we can get more of you.Salutations from the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, the Cherisher and Sustainer great Turnpike state of New Jersey


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sorry about your daughter....yes mine scares me more than my 7 month old son- I typically have to worry about her more (and she is only 5)...many years to go.

OK let me put some thoughts out there while I have a minute or two. One mistake you made is I am Republican. I'm really not- voted for Clinton and George Bush (1st term). Did not vote during last election- didn't like either Obama or McCain. I can honestly say I like McCain less than Obama. I'm OK with Romney though.

My original distaste for Obama was a lack of info on him- the media was focusing on his personal life and likes and dislikes and such non-issue topics that I couldn't get a good read on him. What I could pick up, just from my background in Psychology, was that he had a lot of narcissistic attributes and those type of people use people as pawn. I, an American citizen, will not be a pawn in his greater self-serving plans.

Was talking to one of my friends who heads a non-partisan political organization and he asked me if we (Americans) got $6 trillion dollars worth of work and benefits from Obama being president. I can say no to that one. What did we get for 6 trill? Not enough. Or perhaps jsut enough to get us out of the recession. Thats like buying a corvette for $4 million- not a good deal. My problem was that we bought a house this year because someone foreclosed on it- so in my ideal country we should not have benefits from others' misfortune.

I think Obama tries to appease all the wrong people. Back in late March 2012 he was overheard on a hot mic to tell Medvedev to tell Putin to "wait until after my election when I will have more flexibility". Obama not only bows and apologizes and appeases terrorist nations, but is willing to sell the USA out to his beloved Communist party located in Russia.Obama's remark is more than a little unsettling than Mitt's comments about the moochers, leeches, sponges, union members, and lazy bums the (predominately Democrat party) has generated over the past several decades as a permanent ill-educated underclass to, in return, vote for Democrats.

I'm split on many issues on both Dems and Repubs sides so I do not make the mistake of voting purely based on parties. I've read your profile and my sense, from what I remember is that you seem sided on Dems for a huge reason like illegal immigrants. I have always maintained the thought that if they are fleeing here (especially from places like Mexico) to have a better life, I do not blame them, but what are we doing (our country) to help that country out? Why not make their country a better place so they do not have to flee? My mom retired from the medical field used to work with a lot of patients who she knew were illegal and the issue is this: they bring a lot of diseases and illnesses that would be better if they were legal so they could get proper health checks and immunzations, not threatening the health of existing citizens. Thi would be ideal- if not only from the health perspective, which is a huge deciding factor for me against illegal immigrants. It's also unsettling to me that we are allowing people from one of the most dangerous countries in the world to come into our country (illegally). Some statistics state Mexico as a place where 75% of crime go unpunished. Scary...i have little kids. That's like opening up a jail and saying if you get out congrats we'll let you go free.

Romney may be boating but he is not actually president right now- Obama is and he takes plenty of vacations and golf outings. Thats just silly. Issues aside I think any president elected could have gotten us out of recession- it took a lot more than only Oblahma. Even America's best African American actor, Denzel Washington voted for Obama i n 2008 but will not vote for him in 2012. And yet another...Colin Powell as well.

I want someone who knows about business...Mitt the mutt. He ships jobs overseas, yes, and that's exactly what is wrong with our country that we need to ship jobs overseas for companies to make profit and not fire existing American job holders.

What actually is unsettlling the most is how much I'm not jumpin for joy on any candidates in several consecutives elections now- is that just me?


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

No ,It's not just you.I'm also unhappy with Obama although for different reasons than you,but in general terms I expect him to do better on his second term,and knowing one of these two guys is going to be the next president there is no way I would stay on the sideline and contribute to Mr. Seld Deportation become president, because I have the moral obligation to stand up and speak out for the weakest in our society, the illegal aliens of which I am one.I came through mexico decades ago and it already was for what I saw there one of the most corrupt countries on the planet.What can I tell you, I guess you are in a worse place than I am, I'll vote for my guy knowing we will have a better candidate in 2016 , but I can honestly support him, while you will have to hold your nose to vote for yours. P.S :the Bush last name doesn't sound as disgusting now , does it? Usually people who call themselves independents are really like Lou Dobbs just republicans in disguise but you are a real independent thinker,and unlike Willard the more people know you the more they like you.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Well Mio Cid you are an acquired taste as well (smile). I was really hoping for a strong candidate to run against Obama, but I'm not sure Romney really got to that point. Stronger than he has been in the past but still...not there.

I guess I can be considered Independant but honestly I haven't really thought about it too much. Right now, people are caught up in one-sided mentality (Dem or Repub) because the nearing elections. So yes I get grouped into it easily now. A lot of my thoughts are probably conservative- I don't go to church but I do believe our country's national religion is christianity and we have severely strayed. I am for good home and child values, In God We trust....and such. We can probably find something we agree on somewhere.

You say you are for the weakest in society, but let's not make them weak. Let's help their countries and make them strong. To me, that is one thing government (mainly Dems) do- they make the minorities, women, etc weak. That old saying about giving a man a fish versus teaching a man to fish (big difference). We are just giving them benefits and not really helping or solving the real issue. Let's not tear them away from their families and pay them low wages, let's help them out at home (in their country). I worked in restaurants for years and I heard the stories of some of them sending omney to their families back home- that is sad they had to leace home in the first place.


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

Everything you are saying here is very true, there is a need for comprehensive immigration reform going forward and the country as a whole has the right to determine what the immigration policies going forward should be.My opinion is that regarding the how many million illegals that are here should have an opportunity if they meet certain requirements for example as the requirements that are required to become a legal permanent resident , and pay a fine for entering illegally to become legal permanent residents.And the current republican position of either rounding them up and shipping them out or making their life so miserable they will self deport doesn't seem either realistic or humane.But talking about something we can agree on I bet you agree it is ridiculous that any person anywhere in the world should be prohibited to make any kind of expression be it artistic or of any kind that can be seen as offensive to muslims or their prophet.


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

The debate on Wednesday is Romney's last chance to re-start his campaign once again, do you think you are capable of giving us, your legions of followers an impartial analysis of the outcome of the said debate?


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

oh Mio cid- you're too humble to ask for my opinion. You are very smart (er) than me. We both know Romney will have to pull a rabbit out of the hat (something spetacular) to get the majority vote or for the debate to be a game-changer.

I was watcing a program today about game-changing debates. One analysis...it is more important how they appear to the viewers than what they actually say. I hate this type of poularity voting- people vote for whoever they like or relate to- nevermind the issues. Honestly I think either Romney or Obama will do OK for our country. Too bad we have to settle for OK. Romney may have a better health plan, may be more business minded as well so that makes me lean towards him. I think Obama has done the bet he can do.

The immigration issue is tough. How do we decide on how they become legal- how much of a fine? I believe Republicans have granted amnesty to illegals also. Bush jr? If I can remember. The current process is awful. I'll get back on this one. I have a fussy baby to tend to..


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

Hey L. , happy to see you here, that means you and family are over health issues.I'm not smart at all, I have some knowledge of the world of politics only because it's something I love and it interests me , and because of as I explained to you before , we get involved in political discussion at an early age where I'm from.I really would value your opinion because you are intelligent,smart,and could present a more unbiased perspective on a debate that in my opinion could determine who the next president will be ,or maybe not.Reagan signed an amnesty back in the eighties , and until the last few years the hispanic vote was pretty much split between the two parties , but all that started to change when the extremists took over the GOP and the rhetoric became hateful.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

That's another thing that interests me; how our (U.S) youth is so oblivious to what is going on, not only in their own country, but in the world in general. I took a "Social Movements" class in college that made me realize how uninvolved people of all ages are in politics in the U.S.

I look to both parties with the poor exchange of diologue and politics between Dems and Repubs. I'm very disappointed in Repubs for making things harder for him once the house was mostly Repubs. But it's no excuse- that is what concerns me. With Repubs owning (majority) in the house right now, will Obama get what he wants done or will he blame it on that again?

Of course security and illegal immigration go hand-in-hand so having young kids, the future of our country's security concerns me the most. many people are talking about economy at the top of their list but security is on mine. I know many drugs and U.S drug operations come from and are ran by illegals and other countries. The percentages I've heard range from 75% to 95%. very concerning because its one of those situations where we block those who wnat a better life from coming here because of the others who come here to capitalize on their drug operations.

Yes, reading over your hubs, you are very knowledgeable in politics. Thats usually where I like to get my info from. those who have more knowledge than hate for the other party. Because of issues we probably side more with one party than the other, but I am open to all info and I do recognize the good and bad with both. Right now I view all politicians the same. In general I haven't liked many candidates and people I talk to feel the same- that they are "voting for the lesser evil." which all boils down to perception and back to the upcoming debate...it will come down to who says the right things but who appears to give us the most comfort. Because we are in a recession, perhaps that gives Obama a hand up. I believe majority people voted for Bush the second time because we were at the beginning of a war so people were scared to change presidents. Now we are in the middle of a recession for perhaps people will stick with Obama because things aren't terrible. Of course I'd like a change because I don't think things will get worse anyway, they will likely stay the same with Obama.

Look forward to hearing what you think after the debate.


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

You are right, the American population does not get involved or have any interest in politics for the most part.Where I work there are fifteen people and I'm the only one that watched the debate, while most didn't even know there was a presidential debate until I told them.I think in the last presidential election only about 60 % of possible voters actually voted.And in the midterm about 42%..I think the reason why there is no dialogue is because the republican party lost all liberals and only has a couple of moderates left, who are basically trying to remain unnoticed because the tea party and the extremists who are in charge of the party can do what they did to Richard Lugar and primary them out of the house or senate.The Democrats still have moderates,but they have no one to talk to on the other side of the aisle .Now, if Romney wins the election the democrats will obstruct him just as the republicans did to Obama and not let him accomplish anything , thinking about Hillary in 2016.Specially if he as he has promised repeals Obamacare,Dodd Frank and tries to privatize medicare.If Obama is reelected , having learned his lesson from his first term he will waste no time trying to look for bipartisanship he will strong arm the republicans into coming to the table or ramming anything through any way he can, as they cry "unconstitutional".Let me give you an example, The fiscal cliff,he has already signaled he is willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans refuse to negotiate an agreement,the republicans can't afford to go that far because they have had a high price to pay for the credit downgrade we suffered which at the time wasn't exactly clear who the people in general would blame for,but right now the great majority of people thing the "do nothing congress" run by republicans was responsible for it, that has costed them the fact that they would capture the senate and gain more seats in the house , now it is highly unlikely they will win the senate but there is even talk of the possible retaking of the house by the democrats, which is also unlikely, but the mere fact of talking about this was unthinkable a year ago.As far as the security situation,I live across the river where we can see the NY skyline every time we go up and down the turnpike,and believe me it is still a painful sight to see where those towers are no longer there, and a reminder of the thousands of innocent people and the heroes that were murdered that day, so I have no sympathy for criminals or terrorists, and border security is a very important component of national security,but regardless of what the right wing nuts like Joe "the president's birth certificate is fake" Arpaio likes to proclaim border security has continuosly improved under both W and Obama, we may or may not think W was a good president , but he kept us safe, and so did Obama.Nobody who supports Comprehensive immigration reform asks for leniency for criminals, or gang members like MS13 or drug traffickers what we , myself included aspire to is a humane, and compassionate solution to the legal situation of millions of illegals who can prove they have maintained a pristine record just like it is required for anybody who right now tries to apply for a permanent resident status.You are way too smart to fall for that tactic of the populist right of trying to convince people that all politicians are the same, they use this tactic to discourage the simpletons that involvement in politics is useless , all government is corrupt ,while at the same time they tell their supporters how important it is to vote for them because they are the anti politicians,anti government.This strategy worked wonders for the falangists in Spain, the fascists in Italy, and the Nazis in Germany, and are still in use to this day by the extreme right all over the world. I'm not by any means comparing the right wing extremists , and the tea party in the US to these people but the tactics developed by the aforementioned are still in use. As far as the debate it was clearly won by Romney, hands down, my guy was beat like a drum, although Romney did pay a price which was that now he lost Florida because in admitting publicly that he supports the Ryan Plan ant turn medicare into a voucher program Florida is no longer in play.But I want to write a hub about the debate which I hope you will read and comment, since you are the muse that inspires me these days.


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Elefanza 3 years ago from Somewhere in My Brain

Another good hub! In college, I took a class on newspaper writing and one of the jobs of the media is to be a gov. watch dog. But most of the news I see concerning about Obama is positive! Where is the analysis? I've starting looking at this one site, On the Issues, just to familiarize myself with the two candidates, but honestly I'm not pleased with the two party system as I think it makes our country very ineffective. We're so polarized! Also, did you hear about the member of the Electoral College who resigned just because she had to vote for Romney when her constituents wanted her to vote for Ron Paul? How ridiculous is that? I think this country needs a new direction instead of just more of the same. Have you looked at the third party candidates? Some of their ideas seem interesting.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Elefanza~ you are exactly right about the media. Right out of high school I went to college for journalism. I lasted almost 3 semesters until I realized journalism is a big fat lie. I can't lie- it's just not me. It makes me sick...literally...physically.

Anyway. When I was a kid I used to hear my parents talk about voting for the Independant candidate or at least entertaining the ideas third parties had. it was slightly more common decades ago than it is now. You never hear about third party or Independants. it's too bad really.

Hope you are doing well. haven't seen you for a while.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

mio cid~ I'll take the title of muse...sounds good. I watch about half of the debate...when I know what's going on in general and what the last half will be like. Obama was half asleep in my opinion. I know he can do better than that. I'll read your hub. I was going to write one, but at this point it would be too one-sided. I think many can agree Romney did well at the debate (even some democrats are stating Romney "won" that one), but that is just one aspect of the debate.

About all politicians being the same. I'm not sure I would personally word it that way...I would say I feel the same about most politicians. Doesn't mean they are the same, but I see one common denominator... they are very out of touch with American's/ America's reality. Both Obama and Romney were fighting for the middle class during the debate yet missing one big point- not even i fall into the middle class category. Both candidates define middle class as $100-200-$250,000 yearly income. Damn, I wish! I'd say the low and working class matter most right now. My family and I are trying to do the right things, buy a house, pay for health insurance, pay medical bills, pay taxes, pay off student loan, etc. All the while the middle class can defintely afford these things and the poor are getting them free. So the people who have it the roughest are the working/low class. I don't hear the candidates talking about them.


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

You saw that I already expressed in my comment that Obama experienced a beatdown of monumental proportions, and historic.The only good thing for Obama from the debate is that Romney admitted they want to turn medicare into a voucher system, and now he will not win Florida unless Obama says publicly and on primetime that he hates jews.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

From what I understand about the voucher system is that people can choose medicare or private insurance and the reason for that many hospitals and doctor offices treat medicare patients differently. Hospitals have a certain section for them (some, not all do). Some Dr's have a limit to how many medicare patients they will take so having a private insurance can be a benefit to patients. I see patients have all sorts of issues with their medicare when in the doctor offices. I think Romney knows what he's doing considering healthcare. I also know Romney could whip Obama's butt if he did one thing during a debate- if he came up with 3 questions from Obamacare 2,000 page proposal. Bet you Obama would not know how to answer the questions- it's 2,000 pages! How much does anyone really know, comprehensively, about it?


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mio cid 3 years ago from Uruguay

The voucher system works great in theory whenever it is presented whether it be on healthcare, or education, etc....The problem is it doesn't work in the real world,at least it doesn't work for the people with lower income, like you or me.What it really accomplishes is put every single individual on his own against the insurance company on a one on one basis, if there is no disagreement as to whether something is covered or not everything is fine, however if there is a discrepancy guess who has a little advantage?You? or a multi billion dollar corporation .There is a reason most people who are on medicare or approaching medicare don't want it tampered with,when you need healthcare , you get it, and they MUST provide it,you payed for it all your working life , and when you retire and need it you don't need to be battling the insurance company about whether they will cover or not any particular procedure or care.Of course medicare can, and must be improved,perfected , and updated , but the way to do it is not to give an old person a voucher and see what kind of coverage he can buy .And then there's the question about the cost, if you are going to leave the individual person on his own at the mercy of the market place, corporations'objective is to make a profit, so the policy they will sell you will either have higher premiums and less out of pocket costs or lower premiums and higher out of pocket costs.If you are in a good economic position you will buy the most expensive plan that covers everything, use the voucher to buy a great product at what to you is an unbelievable discounted price.If all you have is the voucher , you're screwed.Now,you understand that the amount of money available to fund medicare is not unlimited , so whatever goes to fund the voucher system will be deducted from medicare, so medicare will decline placing it in an unfair position to compete with the voucher program causing more people to opt out from medicare and into the voucher system, medicare will whither on the vine which is the original intent because the Milton Friedman, extreme free market promoters despise all the safety net originated by FDR,this is the true motive behind privatizing social security,and it also applies to education.I agree obamacare is extremely complex, and way too long , if it was up to me It would be a one liner."This is how much you'll charge per patient, ant these are the services you will cover"


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Healthcare for everyone also works great in theory. My mom retired from medical field and worked with her fair share of doctors from Canada (free healthcare) where the syatem was entirely screwed up. The wait to be seen was often long, the doctors hated the system as well. So Obama's proposal also has not worked, proving both candidates do not know what its like ot be in the system in the first place.

I have health insurance and I basically pay for people who can't afford insurance. I was pregnant the same time as a friend of mine. Her bill after having the baby was free- she had no insurance. he could have had insurance through her husband but post-poned getting it because she was having a baby...and it's too expensive with insurance. My bill was $4,000+ after insurance paid their share (so $4,000 out of my pocket). Does that compute? Does that seem right? More people need to attain health insurance- it should be affordable, not free. Again, we are supporting people with hand-outs while punishing those (like me) who are trying to do the right thing.

People on Medicare have second (supplemental) insurances sometimes too. Yes we agree there is room to improve that system.

I'm in the healthcare system a lot- I have Rheumatoid Arthritis so for someone who 3 yrs ago visited the Dr once a year for a routine physical to suddenly having visits often because of my illness, I've seen the worst of the system. Health care is screwed up. Bottom line. I'm not sure I could say what one or two things would fix it. these procedures cost a lot, doctors cost a lot (they spend a lot on their education) so the cost is there. We can;t ignore- fact is people need to participate in getting insurance so that the people with insurance don't pay so much for those who don't have insurance. As it stands, people can't afford to have insurance because it costs more obviously than not having it. People without insurance get an enormous bill after a service, but if they call in and say they have no insurance, it's free. Can;t beat that price. If Obama wanted to fix something concerning health care right away as soon as he entered office, he could have froze or not let insurance companies raise their premiums. Premiums are way too high...yes I believe government should regulate those. The country was/is in a recession and health care prices go up and gas prices go up. give me a president that can fix that and you've got a winner.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Walt,

Thanks for dropping by..and yes the man with no pants is a good buddy of mine. I've enjoyed several of his comments over the past few years. It really does take peeling back the layers, overlooking the small issues that cloud the big ones...such a process that obviously many Americans do not spend much time or thought on yet right now is the future of our country.

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