The Real Losers

They're At It Again

All this talk about who won and who lost concerning The Battle of the Budget is over the top. On one hand you have Obama claiming he won. How so? His initial position at the start of this fiasco was that there could be no cuts allowed - that's zero. If zero to about 40 billion is considered a win by him then he needs to continue to pat himself on the back and sell his snake oil to the American people.

i wrote a Hub on civil discourse a while back and his call for to happen in Foggy Bottom. I give him an "F" for once again not calling his Congressional shills in on the carpet about the total lack of civil discourse that the Democratic Party diplayed during this process.

I give him an "F(-)" for attempting to use our American fighting men and women and their families as bargaining chips by threatening to classify them as non-essential personnel in a shutdown. That is one of the most despicable, down right low blows I have ever witnessed coming from a man that is supposed to be their Commander-In-Chief. How civil of him to hold them hostage in the political theater while they continue to fight in three theaters of war. You patriots serving our country out there don't forget he threatened to do that in 2012. I don't think you will.

I give him the same low mark again for displaying the lack of leadership that any President should display. Why? Once again he entered the fray at the last minute so he could project an image of leadership when the going was getting extremely rough. Obama is a legend in his own mind. Leaders, especially the leader of our nation, need to lead from the front all the time, not enter the battle 4 days before a looming government shutdown. Then he has the gall to stand up and tell us how "historic" cutting a minuscule amount out of the same over-inflated budget that his own party failed to pass when they were in a position to do so with large majorities in both houses of Congress is. I reckon he thought old Harry Reid could handle this minor detail for him.

Most of what we just witnessed was lip service and political theater . This nation is teetering on the brink of an economic meltdown that will surely be historicaL If and when the bottom falls out due to all the excessive spending we have witnessed the past two years and the lack of leadership in addressing the growing national debt as we speak, who will claim credit for that?. Anymore it appears to be a matter of "when" and not "if." We are now approaching the national debt ceiling limit once again because of the economic policies that our President and his party have pursued. Don't believe me? Take a look once again at the ":real time" national debt clock. If that doesn't get your attention then maybe nothing ever will.

Listen Closely To What He Says Here

Harry Reid gets an "F(-)" for his use, once again, of scare tactics on the American people, especially women. The scare tactics were used and echoed by his shills many times over the past week, The mantra was the Republicans want to kill women and deprive them of the much needed health care that would prevent their demise. I hope you didn't buy into that line of argument. If there was a grade below an "F," Pelosi would receive it for her contention that seniors were going to have to kick the bucket and 700K children were going to starve because the Republicans wanted that to happen.

Chuckie "Cheesehead" Schumer is a piece of work too, He gets caught on tape telling his shills to make sure the caucus members used the word "extremists" regularly and often to describe those who actually have a clue that the federal deficit is out of control and that severe cuts must now follow. Then, on the floor of the United States Senate, he calls the members of the Tea Party Movement "fleas." Now Chuckie, who are the real bloodsuckers of our tax dollars in Foggy Bottom? I will give Schumer an "A (+)" for his display of just how much of a low life politician he is. Where is Obama's "civil discourse" in that mix? How people like him keep getting reelected is beyond me.

John Boehner gets a "C" for his effort in trying to hold the line as much as possible on the depth of spending cuts that were proposed. He was caught between a rock and a hard place. His use of appropriate bargaining chips gets an "A." The Planned Parenthood chip was put on the table and the Democrats snapped at it. That suddenly became their cause to defend. In fact, it was just a bit of gamesmanship that politicians play. Obamacare and funding that fiasco was another chip. In return for being able to scoop those chips over to Harry and company, the other side of the aisle obtained the requirement that both Planned Parenthood funding and the funding for Obamacare receive a formal, on-the-record vote on the floor of the Senate. Now ask yourself why did they want that to happen? Then ask yourself if next year isn't 2012?

If you fail to recognize that the exercise we just witnessed in DC was all about political games and politicians and NOT about the overall welfare of the American people and our fiscal soundness, then you must be brain dead and need an immediate transfusion of the reality that is known as business as usual in Foggy Bottom. Waiting until the 11th hour did make for good political theater. How utterly pathetic. What kind of "supposed" leaders do we keep sending to the nation's Capitol to do the will of the people?

When "The Cherry Blossom Festival" possibly not going down this year, Reid's words not mine, becomes the focus we are in dire straits. I had flashbacks of The Cowboy Poetry Contest remark. When Obama visits the Lincoln Memorial and crows to the crowd about how he is a hero for them being able to continue their planned vacation to our nation's Capitol and how he cut the budget in order for them to do so, what is this nation coming to? If George Bush had done that the Lame Stream Media would have fried the man.

And now everyone wants to claim to be the victor, put on the merit badge and be the hero. Poppy cock!

None of this portends well for the real heroes of this nation. The real heroes are those of us who take care of our own lives, pay our taxes so that they can continue to be flushed down the DC toilet and tolerate the imbeciles who are continually performing feats of cowardice in running our nation.

I'm sure you noticed the headline as you approached this Hub. Who are the REAL LOSERS in what we just witnessed? All those "F's" I just dispensed were well deserved grades as was the one "A (+)" I filled in the box with. The real losers in all of this are you and I - the American tax payer. Once again we saw them kick the can down the street. Oh, we'll see it again shortly when the debate rages about raising the national debt ceiling so that the federal government can continue to spend our hard earned dollars wastefully. Then up next will be The Battle of the 2012 Budget.

How many times are we going to watch them kick the can down the street? How many times are we going to watch them punt on first down? The real question is, "How many times can the United States federal government become totally insolvent and irrelevant?"

I'm just askin...

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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Fay 5 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY8unkujA80 TEA Party ad. Needs support! Great blog, Froggie! But yours usually are!


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

Harry Reid I think is scary just being there. When it comes to terms like essential/nonessential even people working in the government find it confusing.As i recall from my own experience whenever there was a snowstorm "liberal leave" was granted to "non-essential personnel"Liberal leave policy means that you can take your vacation time as a snow day which according to contract you should be able to do anyhow.Non essential means that your job is such that the place can run a day without you.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago

Froggy

Here’s my grading scale:

Boehner gets a C for being a C-asper Milquetoast

Obama gets and F- for being a F-ailure and F-raud when it comes to supporting our troops

Reid gets an S for I wanna S-lap the S out of him everytime he opens his S-issy mouth

Congress as a whole gets a P for once being P-athetic P-oliticians afraid to deal with the crisis!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

dahoglund - The federal bureaucracy has grown by an astonishing 17% since Obama took office. If I remember correctly, this was the guy who campaigned on "scrubbing the federal bureaucracy from top to bottom." If what we are seeing is a scrubbing, I'd prefer to remain filthy.

Truth be known, we could trim 1/2 of the federal work force and survive it without batting so much as an eyelash.

PP - That whole dog and pony show was just that.

The Frog


Pegasis 5 years ago

While these idiots dithered around and finally came up with the "historic'spending cut of under fourty billion, the deficit ROSE by fifty four billion.

No one in DC speaks the truth. No one!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, this was Awesome.

My take is the outcome of this battle was decided long before the doors to the stadium were opened to allow us to watch the game. The truth is we beasts are getting angry, and the real issue was what food scraps they could throw out to calm us down. The mounting debt issue was not a major concern, just calm the beasts so they can get back to playing golf and having fun. No more, and no less. This issue is far from over and many more mock battles will be fought before any real progress is made.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Old Poolman - I dread the thought of too much more political theater and not enough real action in solving the problems we face. The Cherry Blossom Festival be damned along with those impostors sitting up there. Can you tell I've moved from being angry to being outraged?


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Carpefriggingdiem 5 years ago

I give the Dems an F, but "F" doesn't stand for "failure" in my books.


Anniday 5 years ago

Good one Frog Prince!


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Let's not forget that Barack Obama said he would cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

He is doing the exact opposite. He has now spent more than all other presidents combined.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Great post. You really called it as it is. I only hope and pray that finally things come to enough of a head that Congress temporarily forgets about votes and "donations" and realizes they must solve the problem they themselves created. Yes, we the people are much to blame too, because too many of us told Congress if they didn't undertax us and overspend for us, we would find someone else who would. But the bigger point is that Congress is like a CEO; they shouldn't do what the shareholders (the people) "want;" they should do what the shareholders SHOULD want. That's what leadership is all about. And on that score, I give most of Congress an F. A few in Congress, such as Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, and Paul Ryan get an A, because they are not afraid to speak the ugly truth, even when talking to their own supporters. I've attended some telephonic town hall meetings Michele has held (I get invited alot because I send her quite a bit of money), and she is incredibly blunt in correcting people even when her own supporters err. They only way you can do this is to eschew special interest money, earmarks, and pork, and rely instead purely on grassroots support, and realize you are going to lose some people along the way. That way the legislator can vote their conscience on Capitol Hill, instead of their wallet. Based on these criteria, my opinion is that there are not alot of A's in Congress.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Will - I hear you. Here is exactly what he said. Don't be shy about posting links. I don't mind. All this is more lip service and campaign blah, blah, blah. Listen closely folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJvkkNmR_8

Stu - Some of the blame, if that is necessary, indeed does lie with "We, The People" because we keep sending the same idiots back over and over again and expect a different result. That's the definition of insanity if there ever is one.


shygirl2 5 years ago

Quote: 'lip service and political theater'... this definitely describes him. I have thought so from the start. I am not one who likes politics or getting into debates over it, as it causes unrest, but I love how you put things into perspective, Frog Prince. : ) Great job!! Threatening the loss of pay to our servicemen was a definite sucker punch by the man. I REALLY have to agree with that one!! He'll use any threat to get his way. What kind of leader is that?


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Dear Frog Prince,

What can I say, you echo my thoughts and I applaud you fro your astute take on this whole thing. I am nauseated by Obama's threat about the military. He has proved himself over and over again to be a foe of America. Up and awesome Prince.


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T4HOTA 5 years ago

Yet another awesome hub, FP. In the end it is the American people who come out on the losing side of this political game the politicians keep playing in DC.


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b. Malin 5 years ago

A wonderful Hub Froggy, I give it an A...I give Obama a D grade... and less then that when I vote him GONE, BABY GONE on ELECTION DAY 2012...And Thanks for the Video. It's a laugh a minute, if it weren't so sad...So far the People are the losers.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

b. malin - As long as they don't try to tattoo a big "L" on our forehead I'll be okay. When we get to that point - IT'LL BE ON!


Ghost32 5 years ago

Oh heck yeah, there are a lot of "A's" in Congress.

Wait a sec. Sorry. There are a lot of AyHOLES in Congress. There. That's better.

One thing I thought was encouraging in the budget vote. In the House, were "our side" had a bloc of 54 votes on a recent issue, Boehner was able to persuade a lot of even the Freshman folks to go along with "the best deal he could get". But he didn't snag 'em all--counting Michelle Bachmann, 26 House Republicans still voted "up yours".

Naturally, the real WEB (Whole Enchilada Budget) battle is the one coming up; we'll all be monitoring THAT one with a vengeance!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Fred - The latest news from The Whine House is that Obama will unveil his own "budget reduction plan" to the nation this coming Wednesday. If it has taken Paul Ryan and crew months to craft theirs, what will they have crafted within a few days? Stay tuned brother.

Obama can changes stripes with the best of the zebras. The stripes I'd like to see him wearing belong on a prison uniform though.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

The difference in timing can be explained - Obama is dealing with numbers three orders lower in magnitude. You can type the numbers into Excel faster.

Stu


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Hey Frog,

You're on point here as usual. This went against him on his presidential bid with the Independants as well as the left.

Jim, those individuals in the Republican Guard who are discrediting Trump for his persistance on the birth cirtificate thing are playing with fire. Mark my word, as good as some of the republican hopefuls are, beating Obama will be extremely difficult, especially if the economy takes a superficial positive turn. For more reasons than I can talk about here, Trump is an Ombama beater. He's got a lot of glam on him from the show, and the Hollywood crap, but let's not forget; This man's an animal and plays to win, win, win. Our country is bankrupt, and this man understands profit, and has a track recourd of getting it. I should probably write a hub on this. Trump knows exactly what he's doing and these guys who say he's not credible and is hurting the Republican party need a good old fashioned, southern ass whipping. If we want to beat Obama, we're going to have to get out of the box to do it.

jim


Stu From VT 5 years ago

TheManWithNoPants,

You're right. Oblabber could temporarily prop up the economy by buying alot of T-Bonds with fiat money, stoking consumer demand, and pull the center back to the Democrats via artificial job creation. The long term impact of course would be inflation, but I doubt Obama would care as long as he gets reelected. I think he would do anything to stay in office, no matter how much harm it causes. Impeachment may be the only way to get rid of him, but I'm not sure the Senate would ratify.

Stu


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Frog,

If I'm not mistaken, the debt climbed by $54 billion while this budget debate commenced for a savings of "historic proportiongs" of $38 billion. I'm at a loss to explain how either side can claim victory. The only thing that either side can claim is "loser." I disgree on Boehner. He was perceived as weak by many in the Tea Party Movement before he was weepingly named Speaker of the House. I don't see him improving his stock over this debacle. Nothing less than $100 billion would have made a difference. But, even #100 billion is a drop in teh bucket with a $14 trillion debt hanging over our heads. I am bitterly disappointed. Planned Parenthood will still be funded and, regardless of what they say, abortions will continue there.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

David - I posted the attached video to this penmanship to illustrate once again that this administration has done nothing but mislead the public from the get go. Cut it in half by the end of his 4 years? How about doubling it with all his failed policies to date.

He's adding another 1.4 trillion just this year alone. Why people continue to believe anything this man says is beyond me.

A point missed by many is why do we need Planned Parenthood in light of his much vaunted Obamacare bill. Something just isn't real clear to me about that link. Everyone is going to have health care right. That eliminates the need for women having to go to PP for breast screenings and cervical cancer detection. Oh, I forget! It's about votes and unfortunately OUR tax dollars again.


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rkhyclak 5 years ago from Ohio

Awesome hub, Frog. One thing that really caught my attention about the potential shutdown was the sheer ignorance of so many people as to WHY it could happen. They had no clue there was no budget, that the attempt to pass one was beginning to be a knock-down drag-out fight and all they could think about was how it would effect their weekend plans. I know I shouldn't, but I really despise the lazy, apathetic citizen that doesn't know what the heck is going on...they're a big reason Obama is in office.

And as for even the thought of classifying our troops as "non-essential" is pretty much treason to me.


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Frog Prince: When it comes to politics and budgets, etc., rest assured the people are the losers all the time. Politicians are out to line their own pockets. They have wages above any average civilian along with the money alloted them to spend on God knows what. They rake it in hand over fist, as a war chest from donors and you can bet not one cent gets back into the hands of the people who need it.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

rkhyclak - The classification of non-essential was the last straw with me concerning the imbecile. It displayed to me the total lack of respect he has for the people who defend the freedoms we all sometimes take for granted. I don't because for 23 years I served this country so that people can take them for granted, even if they fail to enjoy them.


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Harlan Colt 5 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

These guys all make me sick. Chuckie Schumah... call them extremists... he needs an extreme hair do, I think the little curls in his hair are too tight. How do these idiots keep getting elected? They make a deal with the devil or something?

I better shut up. I have political turrets sydrome. I start talking about politicians and bad words start popping out of my mouth.

Now I have to ride out in the desert and shoot something. sigh....

- Harlan


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junko 5 years ago

Frog Prince, If 38 billion to 100 billion is not a win and good advertisement for his snake oil I don't know what is... The Republican-Tea Party started out with a target of 100 billion and cuts then the Democrats said 0 in cuts. Frog, do you really think Obama would be stupid enough to declare our troops non-essential, c'mon man. He may earn a f in your book,but he's smarter than that. What??? The U.S. Government has never been totally insolvent and illrelevant.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

junko - We're going bankrupt. If you're happy about that and call it a win, that's your problem and not mine.


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junko 5 years ago

C'mon Frog, Bankrupt is reorganization. What just happened was about last year. Nobody won or lose anything, they decide to move on to battle in the Congress and Senate. There will be decided winners and losers. There will be a battle to reorganised and redistribute to avoid illrevelance bankruptcy and insolvency. We have been going broke since the Nation began. We or solvent. You missed my point about the 100 vs 0 billion it was just left leaning humor, my bad.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

junkpo - You may want to give this subject a rest son. If the United States goes tits up, it isn't gonna be a reorganization. It will be a disaster of economic proportion that will devastate this nation. You understand that?

Your "win" goes like this. This government spends $6 billion, at a minimum, a day. Take the number of days from last Friday night until they pass the bill. You following that? Then multiply that number of days times $6 billion. So who won? We're in the hole.

You are out there somewhere if you don't realize that WE, the American tax payer, lost again.


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junko 5 years ago

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill by going back days. but I don't want to upset you anymore. I don't want you to plunk your magic planger froggy. You're welcome at my hubs anytime and you can disagree with me and tell me why, and I may agree with you. junko


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

junko - I avoid things that I don't have a good grasp of, so should you. The next history class will adjourn shortly. Maybe by then you will have read The Federalist papers?


Stu From VT 5 years ago

rkhyclak,

You are correct. One of the reasons we have such poor leadership is that voter turnout is low, and citizen activism is even less prevalent. A government that feels nobody is watching will behave like a fox in the henhouse.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Stu


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GusTheRedneck 5 years ago from USA

Hi Froggie - Well, you are fretting a wee bit too much. You see, I was the winner. 2012 is now already several days closer.

Gus :-)))


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Junko,

$100 billion is a drop in the bucket. Official debt, plus unfunded liabilities, stand at $105 trillion, and are growing like crazy under Obama. Even Ryan's Path To Prosperity is only a partial measure to eliminate the federal operating deficit and pay off the debt.

Obama has already hinted that our troops are non-essential, by implying that ground forces deployed overseas might not get paid were the government to go through a shutdown period.

The US government may not be irrelevant, but it's sure totally insolvent. It owes over $100 trillion in treasury debt, and has no assets to pay them off with. Exactly what is your standard for "insolvent?"

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Junko,

You are clearly not thinking, well, clearly. A nation can't simply "reorganize" like an individual or company (declare bankruptcy and wipe out their excess debts) without dire consequences. The nation's currency becomes nearly worthless overseas, making business importation of production inputs that can't be sourced domestically impossible (think mass business failure, mass unemployment - depression). Investors who own treasury assets will be wiped out; $15 TRILLION of domestic and international wealth will vanish overnight, causing ripple effects that will magnify the damage all over the globe; a world depression would not be out of the question, causing mass unemployment on a global basis, and collapse of existing debt and equity securities due to business failures and individual defaults.

WE ARE NOT SOLVENT. SOLVENT MEANS YOU HAVE MORE ASSETS THAN LIABILITIES. OUR GOVERNMENT OWES OVER $100 TRILLION, AND HAS NO MARKETABLE ASSETS OTHER THAN REAL ESTATE IN DC, WHICH IT CAN'T SELL BECAUSE IT REFUSES TO VACATE ANY OF THE AGENCIES THAT ARE USING THE BUILDINGS.

HELLO, IS ANYONE HOME? ARE YOU HEARING ME?

Stu


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Jed Fisher 5 years ago from Oklahoma

Uh, stu, I think it would be good for America if "The nation's currency becomes nearly worthless overseas, making business importation of production inputs that can't be sourced domestically impossible..."

Those 'business imports' are mostly labor. And that imported oil, much of it gets exported as finished product. For example, Iran imports gasoline (indirectly, through our European allies) from America because they lack the technology to reformulate oil as efficiently as America can. (Although, Iran is one hell of an exporter of pistacios!) A default on US debt wouldn't hurt Americans all that much. Coffee would get expensive, I suppose. That's about it.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

jed - I think you need to change that prescription for your glasses. You're not seeing clearly at all.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Jed,

A worthless currency would not only wipe out all American's wealth (as their debt and equity assets are mostly denominated in US dollars), but there is a plethora of raw materials and intermediate production goods that businesses cannot source domestically. To put it simply, a worthless dollar would cause an immediate depression of the most severe proportion.

Business does not "import" labor. Outsourcing of jobs has nothing to do with the value of our currency. Countries with cheap labor (like China) allow us to set up shop there, in exchange for the US protecting Chinese exports (agreeing not to impose retaliatory tariffs in response to Chinese import tariffs and direct business subsidies; US corporations pay big bucks to Congress to get this special deal).

You are correct that much imported oil is refined into a finished product, but that has no bearing on the issue. Were the US dollar to simply lose reserve currency status, even without a dollar drop, gas would rise to about $6.00 per gallon because we would have to first convert dollars to source country currency to make the purchases (certain major commodities, such as oil, may be purchased without conversion because the sellers accept US dollars as payment). The cost per gallon would of course skyrocket were the dollar to sink on the FOREX (regardless of the reserve currency status).

A default on US debt would be catastrophic. About half is held by Americans, and half by overseass investors. A $15 trillion default might not only cause a depression here, but could cause a worldwide depression. Remember that the sudden loss of $15 trillion of individual and corporate wealth would not only cripple cripple the asset holders, but it would also impair their ability to repay loans outstanding. A domino effect would occur where credit defaults would wipe out individuals and businesses in a chain-like fashion, and equity securities would become worthless due to business failures (asset writedowns and collpasing consumer demand).

As Frog says, you haven't thought this through. A severe drop in the dollar against other world currencies, as stated above, would lead at minimum to a depression in the US, and possibly a worldwide depression. And our current profligate fiscal policy (running large deficits) has already created more federal debt than we can ever hope to repay. Besides cutting federal operating expenses and boosting the tax base, so we can run surpluses and pay off the official $15 trillion of debt over time, we need to radically restructure (reduce) the big social program benefit formulas (SS, Medicare, etc.) so most of the so-called "off balance sheet debt" (treasuries owned by government agencies to fund their long term liabilities) can be abrogated (cancelled). If we don't do these things, the only options will be default or mass monetization (printing gigantic amounts of fiat money); either of these "options" would make the dollar nearly worthless on an international cross-currency basis, and a worldwide depression would be the likely result.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I think you about covered it. Excellent my friend.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Thanks Frog,

Almost got carpal tunnel syndrome on that one.

Stu

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