The Truth about Being Black in America

What is Black Heritage in America?

...it is also intriguing that an ethnic group of Americans exist whose only identity stems from American origins, a uniquely American creation.

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Effects of Slavery

African Americans or Black decedents of Slaves are one of two groups of unique minorities in the United States of America--the other being the American Aboriginal or Native American.

The peculiarity of African Americans has nothing to do with the origin of this minority constituting about 13 to 15 percent of the US population or the physical characteristics that typically identify Blacks because Blacks from other nations have those same identifying marks.

What distinguishes the Blacks of America from other groups who immigrated to the United States of America?

Blacks did not enter the US by choice. Every other group of America can reverence the memory of pioneer ancestors who traveled bravely across the ocean or the great Western plains willing to forge new lives and build something unique--putting aside old culture and adapting to new.

Other heritages that made the US great gave up their languages to become Americans.

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Irish immigrants spread across Pennsylvania and Italians dominated New York creating new American versions of the old country, for example. What of the African?

The fact that African Americans are called African at all is an indication of the limited explanation of this group's history. The nationalities of Black American ancestors are a mystery for the great majority of the group.

Slavery stripped this group of the choice to decide to merge with American culture. Slaves were cattle to the slavers, and treated as such.

There would be no Walimi Americans or Bangelima Americans, just African because the tribes and nations were intermixed preventing camaraderie through language and national identity. There would be no melting pot of exotic names because the tribes people were renamed and branded as nonhuman and soulless.

There would be no unique motherland identity. There would be no mingling of heritages other than the rape of tribal women and the breeding of tribal people to make them bigger and stronger.

What is Black Heritage in America?

Slavery.

No identity other than a vast continent and no heritage other than what the slavers provided--and what little the freed men and women following slavery etched out of the residue of similarities they could put together--to claim following the emancipation up until the Civil Rights Movement that provide concrete African nationalities for African Americans exists.

Second Class Heritage

Following slavery, there existed about 20 years of prosperity for the newly free people of color before the new form of slavery became social law--racism. The social idea that any person of mixed slave ancestry constituted a Colored person created a singular class of people regardless of differing ethnic identity, Black--no matter the color of skin.

This concept survived from slavery where it was used to prevent mixed race people from claiming freedom based on European heritage or gaining a foothold after slavery as a more preferred class--though that occurred anyway.

After many generations of slavery and second-class citizenship, the sociological impact on this group created a people with no past to glorify as other Americans and little reason to love a country that did not guarantee constitutional rights. Generation X may be the first group of Blacks that actually experienced a more level social experience since slavery.

The psychosocial impact on African American cultural developed into what I call Collective Social Regard or CSR. No matter where a Black person originates in the country and above all political and social ties race is the definition of this group. CSR is based in the humanistic approach of Carl Rogers, specifically unconditional positive regard in reference to the client-center approach to therapy.

Black Americans in general may not accept the action of those claiming Black heritage; however, this group tends to regard others within the group, owning the fellow members racial sameness without accepting necessarily their individuality. This provides a default group of identity for all Black Americans.

CSR is the perspective of African American social interaction derived from a shared ethnic experience based on heritage and race. Black people accept other Black people regarding them as brothers or sisters--due to the cattle like breeding during slavery--no matter the percentage of tribal ancestry. All an individual needs is to claim African heritage to be included as Black.

During slavery the slaver could trade away slave offspring at-will creating the need among these mixed tribal people to form non-genetic connections of familial relationships that continue in Black tradition presently where many Blacks consider relatives removed by many degrees of separation and/or family friends close kin. .

Generally Blacks appear to have not integrated into mainstream culture because most stand out due to physical differences and subjective distrust of Whites due to past dealings as a group--viewing attacks on any Black person irrespective of circumstance as evidence that there exists some institutionalized conspiracy that targets minorities' secretly while publicly assuring equal protection and felicity under the law.

Implications

As a community of Blacks without a specific African cultural heritage beyond slavery and having to depend on MOSTLY each other socially for many years until recently, it must purge the idea of Black against White.

It must not disregard the shared heritage as the descendants of slaves and second class citizens with attempts to convert to the majority culture and pretend color does not matter.

White America, the cultural aspect of a White America, is a choice purposely forged with the benefit of continuity of culture from homelands never interrupted by forced cultural purging.

Blacks have no choice but to accept the ambiguity of connections to Africa and the reality of livestock-like breeding in America.

The breeding of American slaves allows for the exploration of promiscuity among present-day Blacks and a possible connection between high percentages of single mothers with large families due to father absenteeism The suggestion that there may be a link is only that, a suggestion based on little evidence and no facts--more a philosophical reasoning than a sociologically assumption.

Many descendants of American slaves are attributed stereotypical physical characteristics of tall, large muscular men and thick wide-hipped women. At one point in history, this description could depict the humans slavers used to breed the other slaves. There may be some connection to the assumption that Blacks excel at sports at a higher rate than not.

This would also justify the stereotype that American slaves' descendants are inherently intellectually inferior--a premise that most would not accept in modern psychology. No scientific justification for such a view is forthcoming, but culturally the idea was considered and is slowly diminishing along with the physical stereotypes.

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Racial Disparity: Why can't Blacks Just Get Over it?

Because of the cultural effects of slavery and persecution for many generations in any given situation, a Black individual must cycle through introspection that few other groups tend to consider.

For instance, a White man may experience a bad day at work and speak rudely to a Black store clerk who may think, "Did that person behave curtly because I am Black?" Because of the implication of his or her culture handed down from generations of oppressed Black people, those thoughts flash through the minds of many Blacks and are filed away by rationalization.

The same applies to women--especially minority women who must add to the mental reflection the question of their gender.

This introspection is applicable to anyone who does not identify with the majority culture completely including homosexuals, obscure religious groups, etc. It is mostly true for Blacks because Black culture is uniquely tied to America since that group is alone having been forced to the States and forced to give up culture.

This all translates subjectively that as a group, Blacks think that the prisons are full of Black men and women because Blacks have no choice but to fight through the American system even if they have a more level playing field in today’s society.

it means, Obama is the president because "THEY"(WHITE PEOPLE) want Blacks to stop using the excuse that Blacks cannot get ahead in society because of racism--the hidden kind, conspiracy.

Blacks who think differently may deny heritage, or are denying heritage unawares--hurting themselves by disassociating with the social aspects of most African American culture.

Whites do not need a race with which to identify; however, Blacks seem to need race collectively and not individually--to account for those of whose cultural experience has allowed them to adjust to mainstream American society, which is growing number.

Not enough time has passed since the Civil Rights Movement. Possibly, in three to five generations Blacks generally will think about race as do most Caucasians--meaning race does not define their heritage.

Yet, it is also intriguing that an ethnic group of Americans exist whose only identity stems from American origins, a uniquely American creation.

Moving Beyond The Past

It is not the purpose of this article to persuade Americans of African heritage to forget the struggles of the American slave. Contrarily, Black Americans must remember and embrace the shared American heritage of struggle.

All Americans have struggled to some degree for the right to be in America. The United States of America is culturally diverse with groups that successfully etched a place in the American landscape.

Whether the struggle began with a fight for equality or a fight for independence, all Americans share the same single trait to persevere until the work has completed and the situation controlled.

American descendants of the African slave are distinguished as captives and slaves in the nation, but share the glory of overcoming with other groups. Granted, the descendants of slaves may have a greater deal to overcome because of the oppressive past; however, such a past does not constitute a handicap.

The determination of the change-makers of the past has diffused in the genetic core of all Americans. As diverse as America is, it is the common heritage that makes it great, and not the diversity alone.

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Jed Fisher 4 years ago from Oklahoma

A very well written article, thoughtful and honest. I like to think 'Black' is a designation for Americans who can actually trace their family tree back to an actual American slave. "African-American" should be reserved for the opportunists who come to America after the struggle, snapping up all those lucrative Affimative Action slots for themselves, leaving Black Americans standing in the same soup lines as before.

As for slavery, that was brought to America by an African... "Slavery was officially established in Virginia in 1654, when Anthony Johnson convinced a court that his servant (also a black man), John Casor, was his for life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(slav...


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jainismus 4 years ago from Pune, India

Rodric29,

It added many things about this subject to my knowledge. Thank you for writing this. Voted up and shared.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks for your comment Jed. Interesting you mention Anthony Johnson. He was my great-grandfather. Just kidding.

I did not know that tidbit of American history.

I love my country and know that it is a place of opportunity for all. Black Americans are the most influential, rich, educated and powerful group of Blacks on the planet--speaking as a collective group.

Well, the Whites here are the most power group of Whites. So far America is still the most powerful and wealthy--even with a recession!

I am uncertain of this comment

"African-American" should be reserved for the opportunists who

come to America after the struggle, snapping up all those lucrative

Affimative Action slots for themselves, leaving Black Americans standing

in the same soup lines as before.

I am no fan of affirmative action, but it has served its purpose for this nation for a good few decades. I think it is time to give that a rest and see if we as a society have progressed passed the need for such a thing. How will we ever know unless we give it a try.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

jainismus, I appreciate your support. I have been trying for years to understand why it was so difficult for many Black Americans to move out of the slave mentality and second-class citizenship mentality.

I spoke to my psychologist about it, being in a dilemma about the situation and he, a White man, explained to me minority issues coping with majority culture which led me to coin Collective Social Regard or CSR and this hub. He helped to point me in the right direction. Maybe I will research this and make it official?

I had never before considered that psycho-sociological factors actually contribute to the majority of Blacks distrust for Whites. I did not see the same level of suspicion among the Xhosa people of South Africa as I served there for two years as a missionary.

In fact, my years there helped me to see how culture and heritage could produce healthy Black people. They were persecuted in South Africa by the Whites, but they never lost language or identity. I have not met many angry Black Xhosas. I met one though, and his issues were not with Whites necessarily--that's another issue and hub though!


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Cyndi10 4 years ago from Georgia

Hello Rodric, Very well done article. I think a lot of individuals are often confused and at a loss about why there is such a dilemma for African Americans. You were so correct when you pointed out that every group who came to America immigrated out of their own free will. African Americans were never given that opportunity. In fact, America did not represent a land of opportunity, but one of tears, hard labor, and an existence that was almost as low as that of the cattle - for 300 years! Regardless of how it was introduced, it would seem that slavery pointed to the hypocrisy of the Declaration of Independence except for the fact that African Americans were considered a full 3/4 of a man.

At any rate, it's so very complicated. I'm always so confused when individuals try to insist slavery it didn't happen (or wasn't that bad), didn't make a difference, didn't matter and shouldn't be considered in anything, maybe things could change for the better for all Americans if the fact of slavery was ever faced honestly. African Americans made huge contributions to this country, through blood, sweat and tears, unpaid and unappreciated for hundreds of years. Anyway, great hub. Voted up.


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molometer 4 years ago from Cambridgeshire, England

Before black slavery developed into the America's. Most slaves in America came from Ireland. This is well documented.

This may account for why many Irish still hate the English.

In Ireland the Irish language was banned for 400 years. It has only recently been re-introduced

I too spent many years in South Africa and found the inter tribal hatred very surprising.

Xhosa & Zulu have been a loggerheads forever and still distrust each other.

What really was amazing to me was that I never heard any black person express hatred for white people? I assumed that they were very forgiving people.

The people I met, and I met many, just wanted to get on and make a living somehow.

The Koi San, the original inhabitants of the Western Cape are treated like dirt by all racial groups.

This was a very thought provoking hub. Thank you for sharing. Voted up and interesting. More debate is needed on these raw issues.

It won't just go away without discussing it and coming to some resolutions.


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

I have been discriminated against in my lifetime. I am not black, but a Catholic woman. I am not going to pretend I know how the black people feel, I was only brushed by it.

I was raised to believe that the differences in people are what make them interesting.

One day everyone will judge people by their actions and no other reason, I pray for this. I hope all minorities will be able to separate the past from the present and move toward a more united society. Blacks have to be the better person and forgive and work harder.

Most women today still have to be smarter and work harder to be accepted in a "mans" job. I am old enough to be one of the first group to start seeping into the "man" jobs and I had men who refused to work with me and was told I should be home in the kitchen. I also was not paid equal pay until I stood up for myself and explained why I should be making the same is not more than the dumb ass man who sat beside me. I got my raise because I didn't make my argument about being a woman and he a man.

I wish you well in your search for peace and truth Rodric29, just keep in mind that some of us whites do believe we are all equal.

Maureen


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davenstan 4 years ago

So much healing needs to take place within the black community. Healing needs to take place in the mind of blacks and the way others see blacks.

Undoubtedly, the effects of slavery still exists as this is passed from generation to generation. It is a generational curse that needs to be broken (if you understand what I mean).

This was a very honest and insightful hub. It is great for discussion. I hope this receives many viewes.

I voted up and shared on 4 social networking sites.

Much blessings to you.


Charles Hilton 4 years ago

I am so glad you wrote this excellent hub, as it gives me an opportunity to vent my frustrations with my own people concerning race relations.

I hate when white people compare indentured servitude to slavery. Indentured servants weren't brought here in chains and indentured servitude was a voluntary association, mostly initiated by the parents of the one doing the serving. And he wasn't as much a "servant" as he was an apprentice, who had the benefit of a skilled trade when his indenture was completed and he was free to leave his "master" to make his own living. Not so with those of African descent.

And it never ceases to astound me that some whites, even today, wonder why, after 250 years of brutal slavery followed by lynchings and Jim Crow discrimination that purposely kept blacks out of the mainstream of the society that they helped build, they didn't immediately get with the program and act as if nothing had happened. They were expected to suddenly trust the white man---while they were still being marginalized! Hell, I don't even trust the white man, and I'm white!

And that the blacks got to observe the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the indigenous peoples along the same timeline of their slavery didn't make trusting the whites any easier.

I just wish more whites would try to understand the inner conflicts of the people of color whom we've so mistreated and I wish that whites would psychologically put the shoe on the other foot and ask themselves how they would feel if the roles had been reversed. Then maybe we'd make real progress in race relations instead of giving it lip-service while expecting people of color to do all of the adapting.

To be truthful, the more history I read---and I majored in it---the more ashamed I am of the past behavior of my own race. And unlike most white people, I don't gloss over or try to rationalize our past injustices with false comparisons like the "indentured servitude" nonsense.

Fortunately, there is room for hope with this new generation of young whites who are far more accepting and non-prejudiced than their forbears.

Thank you for letting me rant.

Voted way up!


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Cynddi10, thanks for reading my hub and expressing your thoughts. I think it is important for White people to understand why some Blacks have a hard time of letting go. That is all that we have to hold onto for identity, so we cannot let go!

That, however does not excuse hate and bitterness to Whites today who have no connection to slavery. If it were not for Whites, Blacks would still be slaves.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks molometer, or should I say nkosi?

What is unique about Black Americans that differentiates us from other slave descendants is the lack of heritage. Irish slaves still had an identity. Jewish slaves still had identity.

That lack of identity seems to make people hostile in my opinion. The Coloreds of South Africa tend to be similar to the Black Americans in my opinion because my experience with that group is that they lack a heritage distinctive from the Whites and Blacks of South Africa. I don't think the rift my be as deep though since they were never enslaved.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks for sharing Maureen.

Healing will take a few generations more. I can already see it in my children. The important thing is not to bridge hate to the next generation.

My mother never taught evil about Whites, but when I became an adult she finally told me what she thought of Whites. I was floored.

She hid it for years, but because of the church we attend,which is interracial, she learned to forgive. I never hated or distrusted White people, but through my own experiences with A FEW White people I learned racism.

First in third grade my teacher caught a cute blonde girl and me passing Like notes.

She stood us in front of the class and said first to me "You are Black!" Then to her "You are White." Then to both of us "You don't go together." She then separated us on opposite ends of he class.

Before that I did not know that being Black meant I could not be with a different looking person. I knew that I was Black at that age, but I did not know why it mattered.

I listened to my teacher and told all my White friends that we are not supposed to be together. We separated, not out of hate, but because a teacher said so--not forever though.

I told my mom years later and she hit the roof!

I have more, but that was the first experience I had.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks davenstan for your comment. I think this generation now is the one that will bring healing. I see the acceptance in the youth of my community--Phoenix.

The racial divide here is there but there are more interracial relationships and friendships here than I experienced when living in Atlanta.

My best friend is a different race than I am. It is important because I can still be a Black person with my Black heritage and ways and associate with other people respecting their differences loving them anyway.

I learned this as I study my faith and live its teachings.


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Levertis Steele 4 years ago from Southern Clime

Cyndi10:

You really pounced upon some main reasons many Blacks have difficulty chucking the negative effects of slavery:

"At any rate, it's so very complicated. I'm always so confused when individuals try to insist slavery it didn't happen (or wasn't that bad), didn't make a difference, didn't matter and shouldn't be considered in anything, maybe things could change for the better for all Americans if the fact of slavery was ever faced honestly. African Americans made huge contributions to this country, through blood, sweat and tears, unpaid and unappreciated for hundreds of years."

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For some reason, many people do not know that slavery was in effect not very long ago. My grandfather, born in 1889, was the son of a slave. I am the 4th generation of my great-grandfather. My mother has great-grandchildren who visit her. I missed visiting my great-grandfather, the slave, by fewer than 20 years before I was born.

Blacks could recover from all of this if they would do what their foreparents did--humble themselves and pray. Sin is the reason Blacks are still in a ball of confusion. Blacks have a habit of following the world in every sin the devil concocts. When I was a teen, I never saw Black pornography. Now, our people are doing inhuman acts before cameras that would make the devil cover his face in shame. Follow the Israelites and behold the Black problem: SIN. Of all people in America, Blacks should know better because of their experience, but many are walking in circles in the desert chasing dollar signs and trying to catch up with the Joneses.

Most Blacks claim Christianity, I believe. "When God is for you, no man can be against you" and "No weapon formed against God's people will prosper" and "We shall overcone" have been forgotten. Black churches are losing membership drastically. Blacks need to go back to their first love. He will take us back like a forgiving spouse.


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

That was just so wrong in so many ways of that teacher to do that. I wonder if the white girl had trouble understanding what took place. I unfortunately never even met a black person until I was a teen. I did grow up with a best friend who was half native American who had to put up with closed minds. We are still friends today. Over 50 years. I am close to her parents. While I have a little native American in me, it doesn't show, I was always proud of that small percentage and I am never backward to mention it to people. Through my life I have had many friends from different cultures and races. I was lucky enough to work for an international company which had offices all over the world.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

The only thing that will heal the Black community is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It has healed my family. It healed the hears of my friends in South Africa after Mandela was released and told them to forgive.

It is not about overcoming enemies by destroying them so much as it is overcoming them with pure love.

Truth is truth. You are so right Levertis Steele


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

My Minds Eye53, thank you for your comment. It hurt me years later when I found out what she had done, but by that time it was ingrained.

It is taking years to overcome. I may not be racist, but I constantly think about Whites and Blacks associating.

My friends are go people that have tolerated my misgivings with understanding and some without explanation.

I understand the psychological impact of my past and it helps to deal with the present.

Also, I have native American ancestry, Cherokee on my mother's side and I am assuming Cherokee on my Father's side. We have never really explored the significance of it because those Native Americans who married into our families lived life as Black Christians.

Native Americans are treated with such contempt, even I have issue to overcome with regard towards them. I hate to admit that I am racist in any form, but I am. I have never done or said anything, but I have thought it.

I have to guard myself each day to make sure I at least behave properly and pray for my mind to be clear of racial prejudice--mind you I don't hate, I just prejudge.


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Levertis Steele 4 years ago from Southern Clime

My minds Eye53:

When I was a child, our schools were segregated, and I never attended school with White children. Considering all of the Civil Rights drama, I felt comfortable where I was. Our school received used textbooks and buses from the White schools, and they got the new ones. I remember some of the books had at least ten names in them. Most of our buses had no heat, and often broke down.

I graduated from college and had never had a real conversation with a White person, except for a few college professors who were mostly disinterested in conversations.

When the time came for me to do my student teaching, guess where I was sent? I was assigned to a predominantly White school. I had about 20 Whites and 5 blacks in six classes per day. I was getting ready to talk with Whites for the first time! Some starred at me and would not talk. One boy told me that I should call him "Master." I was strong and readier than I thought. That bullying gave me strength because I knew that I would get the upper hand. When I left after six weeks, I could truly say that I had a good experience.

The mostly Black University I attended was part of a mega-million dollar lawsuit to recover funds that were denied to Black colleges in years past. The Black and White Colleges at the time this happened were separate, but not equal to the White ones.

It is not just about slavery, the problem is the continued messes. I still believe that sin is the biggest problem.

Now, how do you think I really feel about America?

I AM A SURVIVOR, I LOVE AMERICA, AND YOU SHOULD, TOO! WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY IMMIGRANTS FLOOD THE PLACE? GOD BLESS AMERICA! HE HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. I live in the deep South and the flags are waving in the breeze and I am cool.


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

I like your attitude. I love the USA also and I do think we are making progress. I do think we are trying. There will always be bigoted people, race against race, religion against religion, or rich against poor. But those people do not form my morals. If the each individual did the right thing, there would be no wars, no hatefulness. Mankind seems to have this need to feel better than someone else - how sad.

God bless.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks My Minds Eye53. People like you made it easier for people like me when my turn came. It amazes me that so much has changed in the last twenty years.

The changing needs to continue with all Americans--Blacks need to heal and we will in time. In the meanwhile, I hope the White people will be patient. It will take al least another 60 years to recover. This has been in the making for 400 years. A few decades will not change centuries of oppression.


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Levertis Steele 4 years ago from Southern Clime

I am full! Thanks, again, Rodric29, for such an awesome article.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thank you for reading Levertis and leaving a comment. I am glad to help satisfy your hunger!


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks Charles for your comments and airing you frustration. You could have hubbed that buddy. It is important however not to allow the things our ancestors did in the past affect the way we carry ourselves.

We do not have to be proud of the things people have done, but we should have dignity enough for ourselves to cherish our heritage.

It was a travesty that slavery happened to my ancestors, but that give me or you the right to judge them too harshly. They had been taught that Blacks were inferior. It took a war to change the act of slavery and a 100 years to change the mentality of inferior. I will probably take a 100 more to fully heal.

A small percentage of Whites owned slaves. I think hat the post-slavery issues are what linger today socially. Mentally slavery for Blacks still exists in our culture. I don't want that to disappear because our brotherhood is good. What I want to happen is that brotherhood to extend to others.

No one wants to villainize his or her own kin. It is hard for White people to accept that a grandparent is the bad guy. I know I wouldn't want to think of my grandparents as bad.

To heal, the will be concessions on both sides. Those slavers had other qualities besides slaving people. It is okay to focus on those characteristic. What would be wrong to do is pretend that the other side did not exist.

What is wrong is to blame a child for his parent's mistakes, even if that child is different.


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fordie 4 years ago from China

You have made some strong points here, ones I had never thought about before. Thanks


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks for reading Fordie. I hope the things that you have read lend understanding the next time some person cries racism. It is easy for minorities to confuse racism and just plan mean with a history of discrimination. I am glad the days of institutional racism in America are in the past.


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sheila b. 4 years ago

Very thought provoking.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Sheila B., thanks for reading and commenting. I hope the thoughts that this article provokes are good ones.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

Rodric29, interesting hub. I'm going to have to chew on this one a bit. BTW that's a good thing. It is true that there are no tribal distinctions and that all of our personal heritage is lost before we were brought here. This is why I choose to focus on what has happen since our arrival and what is the best course for us to take. I'm sure that many may disagree but I think it is best to direct the change that we go through instead of having it dictated to us by our "Black Leader." All I have ever notice them doing is getting richer off the "Civil Rights" industry they created on the misfortune of others. Thanks for writing.


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arb 4 years ago from oregon

Again, my friend I admire your talent for writing, and for conveying the nobility of discourse in an attempt to fully understand the world around you. We stand in the midst of an emerging angry America which from everyday conversation to our evening news fosters a new language, planted in the grounds of hostility and rooted in an entrenched rhetoric that is then regurgitated throughout the week. Our social issues are as complex as divorce rates which portray an increasing difficulty in resolution. Unfortunately, the evolution of cutural issues are embedded in the soul of a slow master. Time. Though we labor to bring the change which will certainly come, my heritage and those of all people, belong enslaved to the march of a clock that does not discriminate. There are those of either color, which outrun the clock and envision a world where such detriments will never be remembered by those who follow us. I pray you stay the course, outrun the clock and perhaps your children and my grandchildren will not have need to write of these things. Be well.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Your writing, even in comments is compelling and wise. I am deeply blessed that I found your articles and read them. I appreciate your comments and encouragement. I get the chance to read more of your work and I am glad.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Your writing, even in comments is compelling and wise. I am deeply blessed that I found your articles and read them. I appreciate your comments and encouragement. I get the chance to read more of your work and I am glad.


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OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

I recently ran across some information that really kind of blew my mind. This is a regular thing with me from time to time because I'm always digging around in odd books.

I just read and studied a book called "The Lower Niger and Its Tribes" by Arthur Glyn Leonard and "Drums and Shadows" by the Georgia Writer's Project, published in 1940. And, before that I read another called, "Voodoo Tales as told by Negroes of the Southwest" by Alicia Mary Owen. The latter was written about the time of the Civil War and at that time "southwest" meant St. Joseph, MO, which is where the author did her research. (These are all in the public domain, you'll find them with an on-line search.)

In short, I think there has been a huge cover-up of the history and lore of those of African descent in this country. For one thing, African spirituality has been the fuel for, at least, one successful uprising against the slaveholders (the spirit of the Orisha Ogoun was credited for that) - and that was in Haiti in the early 19th century. It is my opinion that if black people knew more about their origins and their ancestry they would be brimming with pride at their rich and diverse cultural heritage and most of all they would be empowered. Somebody doesn't want that and they've swept a lot of old information under the carpet to maintain the white man's power structure.

Black folklore in this country often revolved around getting the best of the master. You'll read about this in "Mules and Men" by Zora Neale Hurston, a black folklorist who studied under the nephew of Marie LaVeau. She writes about it in "Mules and Men" and tells a lot of African-American folklore tales. You'll learn about "John" and the significance of the story of John Henry and his hammer.

Why are we not taught these things in school? It is part of our history - all of us.

I wish more people and especially more black people knew about these things. There's a lot of strength and power to be found in knowing about them.

If you look up the titles and authors I mentioned, you'll find all of it online... it's guaranteed to blow your mind!

Great job on this article. You are an excellent writer. A vote up and accolades!


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OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

I want to add that those first 2 books I mentioned, "The Lower Niger and Its Tribes" by Arthur Glyn Leonard and "Drums and Shadows" actually complement each other. This is because a particular tribe among the southwestern Nigerians called Ibo or Igbo were taken against their will primarily to Georgia. So, many of the people who are interviewed in "Drums and Shadows" have fairly recent ancestors (as recent as 1st or 2nd generation!) in Nigeria at the time the book was written in 1940.


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SamboRambo 4 years ago from Salt Lake City, Utah

Well done, Rodric. I would like to quote from you when I do my article on African Americans, and I would like to hear from you regarding ways in which I can educate the general readership over your past cultures, your prefences in how to be treated, and how we can completely assimilate (if you so wish) Blacks into an American whole.

Before I retired, I was a manager for one company. I once interviewed an African American for a job. I found him to be qualified, so I recommended him to my superior. I told my superior all about his qualifications, and said I thought he would do a good job. I didn't say anything regarding race.

When it came time to present the man to my superior, he looked a bit surprised, then said, "Oh, is this the one you recommended?"

I sensed a little doubt in my superior's reaction, even before he talked with the man. I'm sure there's much that America has to do in order to completely cleanse itself of stereotypic judgments.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

SamboRambo, thanks for commenting here. I would love to read your article and you can quote my work if you deem it pertinent. I just ask that you list me in the references, Rodric A. Johnson.

I think it will take a few more generations before the assimilation is complete. The culture is changing so much though that assimilation is becoming less necessary. I am afraid to assimilate into the current culture because of the evil things that are now accepted as good. I would love to have the 1940s back without the racism. It is no longer a Black and White thing, but more of a conservative and liberal thing. I am somewhere in between.


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Oldwitchcraft, thanks for the suggestion on books. I was so into African studies in my undergraduate degree and took a class on it. I loved it! I wanted to go on a mission for my church to an African nation that speaks French because that is the only language that stuck to me. I cannot learn Spanish for the life of me and I am surround by Mexican Americans who speak Spanish! Anyway, I did go to Africa on the mission, South Africa. I learned Xhosa, one of the clicking languages. I was able to use French one time the entire 2 years. So, I guess God was kind in letting me speak French once in Africa.

Anyway, my family lore also is filled with some occult type practices. Most of it I have forgotten, but my mother used to do some of those things before she became a LDS. My grandmother did also--mostly women who tend to be more spiritual.


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Bob Zermop 4 years ago from California, USA

Fantastic hub. I don't have much to add to the greet comments that have already been posted, but I wanted to thank you for this lovely hub. I very much enjoyed being able to see the perspective of a Black American today. It's about time for racism (and sexism and whatever other sort of stereotyping) to end. Best of luck to you!


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Rodric29 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Bob, thanks for reading the article. I enjoyed putting my thoughts in words and sharing with the community. I think it is better to acknowledge that there is some backlash from the years of slavery and discrimination that have yet to be dealt with. I am confident that we will face each challenge with resolution for peace, understanding and forgiveness. As for racism ending, I do not see it happening for many generations--in 200 or 300 years if no race wars happen and society continues on the same course for acceptance.


Black Guilt 3 years ago

Rodric 29,

The truth is black skin is the best source of protection a man could ever have in this world. I am trying to convince the white man to go black faced and live as a black man. Black skin would protect the white man from racial politics and get him off the hook for slavery. The truth is IF THE WHITE MAN WANTED TO GET BACK AT THE BLACK MAN FOR SLAVERY BACKLASH HE COULD DO MUCH MORE DAMAGE WITH A BLACK FACE. If I am smart enough to figure that out than you can be sure that many whites can figure that out also. Lets be careful not to anger whites because a white man disguised as a black man could be the black communities worst nightmare as black people are volnuerable to black on black crime. Can you imagine if the 5 guys who killed Shawn Taylor were white? That would be the best way to punish a black criminal would be to turn him into a white man. He would get raped in prison.

So the TRUTH is my brother, is that Black skin would be a shied for the white man. White skin would be a punishment for most black men. In 2013 I am going to let the cat out of the bag! I am going to tell white man how black skin would be his hero. Oh and by the way blacks kill other blacks much more than whites kill blacks. Thats some more truth! I also think your boy Mitt Romney may have won election if he had black skin. Peace.


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Rodric29 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

I recall you mentioning this before. Thanks for posting again. I cannot argue with you about my skin. I think it is a blessing to me!


Black Guilt 3 years ago

Rodric 29,

Thank you for your response. Please give me your opinion sir, Do you think black skin would help the white man and other non blacks in today's world. I think if Mitt Romney were black he may be president right now. Especially if he was running againt a white Obama.

I am trying to help the white men who get picked on all the time. You know the types. I think black skin would be a shield for many white men. I think black skin protects those who can't protect themselves. I think my black skin has protected me in many situations. Peace


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Rodric29 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

I would say that protection is the Lords to give and that he blesses all his children according to what he sees fit whether we are Black or White. My Black skin tells me that I can stay in the sun a little longer without getting sunburn. I see no other protection more than that.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI

Rodric29

good perspective on this issue.

Black Guilt posted a similar misguided, (or maybe he's serious), comment on my hubs about black skin being a some kind of a protective "shield".

So I asked if black skin is a shield why didn't it protect all those African slaves from being enslaved, tortured and whipped? No response from Black Guilt

I ask why didn't black skin protect all of the thousands of black men from being lynched during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras? Again no response from Black Guilt. So I not sure what his deal is.


Isaiah 3 years ago

A message to the idiot author. You must not have been a part of Black America. Otherwise you would realize that we were broken as a people again in the 1980s. The culprit being the Crack Epidemic. As many people white or black were doing cocaine as we have people usingcannabis today. The difference? Blacks were hit with Reagan's mandatory minimum sentence harder than any race has been targeted at anytime. Learn your black history before writing on it. Generation X may not have seen the racism of civil rights but do you think a change in the law changed the beliefs of many prejudice whites?


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Rodric29 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Hello Isaiah, I am the idiot author you so named. The information that you added changes what I wrote here how? I am an idiot because I did not include it and have not intention to include it?

I am not familiar with what you write of, but you are more than welcomed to write about it and post it. I am not sure what about my writing intimidates you. I have a perspective that is limited but is mine to share. Be brave and put yourself on display like I do and share your ideas instead of blasting from the shadows proving to the world that the people with real integrity show themselves while those with questionable integrity hide just in case you're found out.

Also, White people set Blacks free, Otherwise it would not have happened. That is real history. The White people became tired of justifying the inhumanity of slavery and ended it. There was a war faught because of it. You might want to read about that. Also, the White people grew tired of the injustice of the lack of civil liberties to minorities and voted to change it. Give credit where credit is due.


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Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

Rodric29,

You said, "I do not agree with same sex marriage. All of my position is religious-based. If I negate religion, I see no problem with the unions."

If I negate religion, I see that same-sex marriage defies the laws of nature and logical thinking. Same sex-marriage does not promote procreation or continued life of humanity. It is a means of genocide. It depends on others to carry on life among human beings. It needs the opposite sex to keep the culture alive, and it is not practical if such people are to prove that they naturally belong together as spouses. To get together and prove their "independence" is suicide. If an assumed natural human union cannot be ordinarily independent of the opposite sex, it is not natural. Therefore, same-sex marriages are doomed to end in death with no means of carrying on life .Who will provide their next generations? I will tell you: normal relationships with normal coupling who were designed to marry, reproduce, and carry the race forward. This is the normal way human beings continue to exist. Two identical puzzle pieces cannot naturally fit together. If they are altered and forced together, they still are not designed to be done that way. Therefore, the puzzle is not solved since the proper piece is still missing. We have to look no farther than the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to see the result of a society that permits and practices homosexuality, including gay marriages. Permiting gay marriages was a serious mistake

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COMMENTS ON OTHER THOUGHTS

Jesus is not a homosexual nor has He ever been, but he did take the punishment for homosexuality and every other sin in the world so that we may be free if we so choose.

Although every human being has the right to choose, we often err when we insist on our own desires. A line from an old song states, "If it don't fit, don't force it," but choices often result in force against the grain.


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Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

Rodric 29,

I apologize for the post above. I had two hubs opened at once and posted in this one erroneously. When I discovered my mistake, it was too late to delete it.


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Rodric29 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Yes, because I sat here reading and scratching my head, but I understood your point and I agree with you. I see how same sex marriage is murder of the future. Less than one percent of the population consider themselves gay. I do not think they are enough to tip the balance. I can see how it being accepted as normal could be hurtful to society which is why I do not accept it. If the people of our nation decided that it is lawful, I fear for my children,


hibs 3 years ago

i think, though i may be stating the obvious, ignorant people are what brings down society most if not totally. black, white, yellow and brown.

this was a well written article.


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minuspc 3 years ago from Charlotte, NC

My dear fellow American. You, and all too many Americans, have been terribly miseducated regarding the history of Black people in America. It is more than presumptious of you to title your post as you did. I also find it sad that you did so.

The cultural and social implications gleaned from sham research of the historical and biological roots of black Americans mke me want very much to have "Black History" classes banned from Universities. Though the institution of such classes may have been well meaning in the beginning, they have become rat's nests used by opportunistic individuals and groups to disseminate harmful information that ruins any chance for meaningful dialectic. This is a bad situation for all Americans.

You write well. Please expand your areas for research.


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Rodric29 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

It is easy to label my work without an example of what you consider scholarly and appropriate research to be, Minuspc. I would be interested in knowing what sources of information that you can provide to clear up the ill informed of Black History. I write about what is familiar to me. Whom do I have to be or what letters need decorate my name in order to write such things if being me is presumptuous? Being Black and recognizing my situations and that of others around me who are Black qualifies me plenty. Thanks for reading and your compliment.


Levertis Steele 3 years ago

Black guilt, you said,

"Oh and by the way blacks kill other blacks much more than whites kill blacks. That's some more truth!"

Maybe now, but not always. Whites are wiping each other out in growing numbers. Tell that to the parents of all of those White students, even babies, who are constantly killed in schools. Tell that to the victims and families of all of these terrorist bombers who are mostly Whites killing Whites. Tell that to the millions of victims of the Jewish holocaust. Tell that to the millions that are being ruined by crack cocaine, and crystal meth. Many die from overdose and other drug-related incidents. (Blacks do not own the drug industry.) Tell it to all of the hundreds of millions of babies of all races that have been murdered through abortions. (Who created family Planning?) Chinese are Caucasian, and how many unborn babies have they denied life? Tell it to those babies that have been murdered through the birth control pill, probably equivalent to the number of abortions since the 70's, at least. Many did not know that the pill was causing fertilized eggs to be expelled from the womb. Tell it to the millions of Native Americans who died while fighting to chase squatters, keep or reclaim their land. For thousands of years to the present, practically every war that Whites have been involved in was Caucasians against Caucasians. Tell it to the victims (minorities and underprivileged Whites) who suffered from the deeds of eugenics in North and South America. Need I go on? There are more ways to kill than with guns. War is war and killing is killing whether it is on the streets, in clinics, in schools, or on the battlefields. Whites have done more than their share of killing each other, Blacks, and others as well.

Practically everything Blacks have been downgraded for, Whites have already done. It is said that poor Blacks hate each other and are like animals and a menace to society. Someone said that poverty causes a lot of brotherly hatred and crimes. Maybe. Let's examine a situation of Whites and poverty:

You need go no farther than the Great Depression of the USA to see how Whites deal with poverty. There is no difference in what happens with other people and Whites. During the Depression of the 1920’s and 1930’s, Whites took on animal natures, too. White children roamed the roads and highways of the USA because fathers abandoned the family or pushed them to fend for themselves. These children were called "wild children of the road." Poor White men were angry and vicious. These are good books about the Great Depression: THE GRAPES OF WRATH (Steinbeck) and NO PROMISES IN THE WIND (Hunt). Also, Whites in prison today are mostly from low-income families, according to studies.

My point is not to attempt to prove that Whites have killed more than Blacks. My aim is to enlighten since many are misled to believe that White hands are not bloody. We are all guilty of spilling the blood of our own, as well as others, in astounding numbers. Finger pointing is just denial and a practice of looking through one’s own dirty window to criticize someone’s filthy laundry hanging on a clothesline.


Levertis Steele 3 years ago

Black Guilt,

You said, “I am trying to help the white men who get picked on all the time. You know the types. I think black skin would be a shield for many white men. I think black skin protects those who can't protect themselves. I think my black skin has protected me in many situations. Peace”

Is this blackface protection as good as White privileges? Blacks have not gotten nearly the Privileges that Whites have gotten because of their White faces. Why do you think that many half Whites have closed their eyes to the Black race to pass as White, especially in earlier times? I tell you, it is the White privileges, a better life because of a White face!

Not many Whites are buying your idea of black-facing.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

Wow, you wrote an excellent hub. Not sure what I can add, in terms of the comments.

So, I am just going to vote it up.

God bless you.


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SamboRambo 3 years ago from Salt Lake City, Utah

Rodric, I reviewed my ownhub, and was surprised to see I still hadn't put in a link to this article. So I did it just now, at 2:45 am. It's called African Americans - significant contributors to society.


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cmoneyspinner1tf 3 years ago from Austin, Texas

Please review this article if you have the time.

Feel free to leave comments. Thank you.

http://wizzley.com/modern-day-arabs-and-their-fath...


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S Leretseh 2 years ago

"Not enough time has passed since the Civil Rights Movement"

CORRECTION: COMPULSORY INTEGRATION MOVEMENT ...Designed to give blacks integration rights into political systems they did NOT create; give blacks integration rights into economic systems (businesses and industries) they did NOT create. No people in human history EVER granted such rights to another distinct people. White Christian males gave the black man what he pleaded for: INTEGRATION. It ws in FACT a magnanimous gesture from one people toward another unprecedented in human history.

And what is the result of one people constantly giving things to another people - rather then requiring them to produce what they want & need? A Bully race is what you get. Gimme THAT! Gimme THIS HERE! How YOU like a PUNCH in the face white person?! Gimme IT! White people hv created the BIGGEST BULLY race in human history.

Get This...White people DID NOT owe the black race integration rights! No people in human history EVER owed such rights to another people.

Guilt-tripping NONSENSE... White people, don’t get guilt tripped!

From 1865 to 1964, Blacks, being a distinct people in America, were supposed to live separate from white people. It was completely normal, legal, and also was completely consistent with the structure of all societies in recorded history. This separation was suppose to give the black race the opportunity to develop/build... towns, cites, industries, tax bases, their own distinct culture, their own way of life. And, most important, to become a completely self-reliant people. Instead, blacks chose compulsory integration. White liberals of course were right here telling blacks to" go for it".

White people DID NOT wrong the black race by living separately from them. Google black on white crime… LOOK! LOOK at the explosion of black on white crimes today! White people believed separation - completely legal prior to 1964- was necessary to protect themselves and their families from black brazen aggression.

Finally, the MAJOR reason white males prior to 1964 kept their status environments (working environments and political environments) reserved for "their male group members" was because black males DID NOT have status in the white male group. Societies are male-group created status environments...and historically reserved for only male group members. Natural law (human nature) creates societal structure. So it was with American society. INTEGRATION (civil rights laws) destabilizes a white male society. Blacks need to be told this fact-- over & over until it sinks in.

Black males had EVERY opportunity to carve out a place in America - colonize a geographic area. The Mormons did it. AGAIN, blacks all across America chose on their volition to seek integration. Into the society of another people ...the very people they’re also claiming are their brutal oppressor? Go figure… Only people in human history to do such a thing.

Blacks MUST be masters of their own destiny i.e. create their own status environments. To do this Blacks in America a homeland. I vote for S. Carolina-- a perfect place.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Blacks did carve out a distinct heritage in America and in the West. If you read history, you wll know that every town or society that the Negro started that was successful, White people took over the towns and drove out the Blacks.

Also, Mormons were not enslaved and deprived of their heritage and culture as were Black. Yes White people did owe Blacks help. They gave them their culture so they, White people, help integrate them completely into that culture seeing as though Blacks could have not culture of there own since it was stolen from them when they attempted.

S., you cannot compare Black heritage to Mormon heritage at all. Blacks were treated worse than Mormons were in the past.

Also, slaves need generations to overcome that mentality without outside interference. Maybe they all should have went to Liberia in your opinion. That is you right.


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Levertis Steele 2 years ago from Southern Clime

This hub is still alive!! Good. "Most Whites did not own slaves," someone said. Considering the poverty and written history, that rings true. So, as we continue this race war, how can we be sure that our "aim-blame" is accurate? Because of race mixing in the past and now, and because of many marriages with mulattoes, alone, and millions of descendants of mulattoes, some of those "horrible" slave owners are fore-parents of many present-day African-Americans who criticize them. I won't even mention the impact of direct race mixing. Just what I am saying is enough. Just a single slave owner did not have to father a black child in order to be a fore-parent of hundreds, even thousands, of blacks today. For another example, how many descendants do you think that Sally Heming has to date? Most of them are in the white race, and some are in the black race. No matter how a people wants to claim one nation as their single point of origin, who are we fooling? There are some things that the races would rather pretend that did not happen. It is ironic that many black and white Americans are throwing bricks at their own fore-parents. We are not obligated to claim these fore-parents, but this is true whether we like it or not. "What's done is done and cannot be undone."


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

You make a truthful comment. This kinship exists no matter what we may think, but the thought that there is still a sepetation will exist until it no longer becomes ans issue of importance to Black people--as long as there are both Black and White people who feel it necessary to assert their identity by being separate and exclusive based on racial identity.

In Arizona, there are many oasises from racial separation. Here you will see multi-racial families--families that do no match in color! I love to see it! I saw a White Father taking his dark completioned little son from the lu at a restaurant. I then saw a Black Father taking his caramel children for a walk at the park. I see many Black moms with Latino children and on and on.

I have a mixed racial heritage I know. It is eveident in my family that masters produced seed with slaves. I am a product of America. It is okay. I has to be! I think that you have proven that it is no matter how one feels about it, so why not embrace the truth? Well, it will be a few more generations before the majority of Blacks can do that successfully I continue to assert.


Stop the lies 2 years ago

This is some bs and none of it is the truth. First of all, the definition of black is pale, bleached, lack of hue or color. Black – blac, and blaec, pale, wan, blacian, blaecan, to become pale; to turn white; to bleach; also to lighten; bleak. (These all came from the 1849, 1854, and 1859 editions of the “Noah Webster’s Dictionary“.) With regard to the word “black” this dictionary goes on to say the following: “It is remarkable that black, bleak, and bleach are all radically one word. The primary sense seems to be pale, wan, or sallow, from which has proceeded the present variety of significations.” This statement is quoted exactly as it is written in Webster’s including the italics. I added the bold and the underline. After this statement, the dictionary begins to give a list of the “present variety of significations” – such as “the color of night,” etcetera. One spelling variation that the dictionary does not give for the words “black, bleak, and bleach, is the word BLAKE. Blake also means black, bleach, bleak, and pale (Dr. Yaffabey, 2013).

So, many words definitions were changed, I wonder why? So, they could sell us that pipe dream garbage. Like Malcolm X said, "We did not land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us". Google November 25, 1491 ( read it for yourself). We are NOT black, we are Moors (aka Turks- that's what Columbus called us- Where did the word TURKey come from- on November 25, 1491? It's so sad to see so many people with their eyes closed and cannot see that we have been lied to all of our lives, they changed the definitions of so many words to mentally enslave us. If you think that we (Moors) are considered citizens by the Constitution, you are mistaken. So many sheep, Do you know of "Black" Wall Street? We were self-sufficient, we were doctors, lawyers, millionaires, and successful in every sense of the word, until they set our homes and businesses on fire. They don't want us to be self-sufficient, they want us poor because if we are successful like them we "are" their equals. They will NEVER view us as their equals. While you sitting here with your eyes closed they are using our heritage against us, they want us to think that 13 is an unlucky number. Look at the McCannibals sign and turn it side ways- What do you see? 13. Do the same with Wal-mart, what do you see? 13. That;s something there those are 2 of the biggest corporations within this corporation, why do we have social security numbers? Contract numbers, who holds the contracts? Who have we been borrowing from? China Why is the US importing meat from China- don't we have the poisonous cows, chicken, and pigs here, so why get meat from China (btw- contaminated meat at that). Do you think you vote for a president? Hell no, why did they put that Moor/European American in office? All the damn presidents are related and share the same blood-line with the queen that is sacrificing young women, so she can sustain life. Why do every president have to pay homage to the queen and kiss the ring of the pope that prays to a Moorish descent Madonna. Time to wake up, you are trapped in the matrix (pun intended).


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

what?


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

It sounds nice that you believe that the UNKNOWN heritages of most Blacks in America some how connects us to the Moors. But, even the Moors have an unknown heritage because of their conquest by Muslim crusaders. They did not have a choice but to convert and abandon their cultures also. It does not put Blacks in a better position to be called Moors, only another position with the same outcome. Also, the word moor itself is of European origin. How about finding a name for Blacks that is not a label from Europeans or their descendants?

The other things that you speak about are of no real concern to me because they exist whether I believe them or not. I am still going to shop at Wal-mart and I do not follow the superstitious traditions that call thirteen evil. There where 12 apostles and Jesus making 13. It is holy to me.

My eyes are not closed. You are just looking past the mark and seeing what you desire to see. I call it some form of self-hate which makes you desire to have some special heritage that sets you aside from the rest of humanity and everyone else is deceived.

If you have read anything else that I write you would know you are wasting your time with me. Your ranting may be of help to some of my readers though. Thanks for commenting, though you missed the entire point of the article so that you could promote your religious views.


JssNY2014 2 years ago

I do understand what you are saying and I understand what a history of persecution can do. My grandmother was a Jew from Ukraine. She grew up during Russian attacks in which her father was nearly beaten to death and her home was set on fire. These were common place to jews in the Soviet Union. Before the nazi invasion my grandmother was sold into an arranged marriage to a Brazilian convert to Judaism. My grandfather was irish, portuguese, tupi Indian and also had African slave ancestry. He was taken in by a jewish family when his family immigrated and could not afford to keep him. My grandfather looked more white or Latino but I have cousins from brazil and Trinidad who are black and live in NYC. When my grandmother found out her family had been gassed at sobibor, and my grandfather was beating her, she had a breakdown. My mother was in a foster home for a year. Bottom line persecution in my grandmothers life wrecked my grandmothers life and my mothers and subsequently affected my life as well. I get it. That being said there is a culture problem in America and even my black cousins from Latin America see it. One night I was walking into a store it was late and I saw an older woman who was almost through the door when I reached it. Trying to prevent the door from slamming in my face I grabbed the end of it. This little old lady turned around and started screaming at me that I was a 'white b$&@h' and how I expected her to hold the door for me like she's 'a slave'. First of all I didn't ask her to do anything, second of all she's the one calling out racial slurs and third who the hell acts that way?! I would never go to Germany or Ukraine and start screaming at people calling them nazis for no apparent reason. This wasn't the first time I've seen this type of thing happen. Get over it? No. You never will nor should you, but there is a cultural problem where it is constantly used to excuse behavior which is not productive to anybody: including the black American community. My cousins from Trinidad are black and have slave ancestry and were also persecuted and put down for the color of their skin in British run schools. However they are all successful, educated, professionals with respectful attitudes towards themselves and others. They hear american blacks call each other 'n' and find it utterly low class and I must agree. The oppression and racism is real and it's disgusting so too is the response to it at times which does little to help the situation. There is double responsibility. The white establishment needs to knock their crap off but the black community in America also needs to stop its youth from emulating rap stars instead of successful, educated blacks of which there are many. The excuses also need to stop because great men like mlk and medgar Evers died so that these kids could have the rights they now have. I can't tell you what my childhood was like as a result of my mothers family's experience. It was horrid. I grew up in a family broken to pieces and murdered. I grew up in a fatherless home and in poverty too. Does it hurt? Yes. Is it unfair, yes. But what choice do I have but to move on and better myself? That doesn't mean getting over it and it doesn't mean not caring; it means not letting those people who tried to defeat you win! It means taking advantage of the opportunities you have. It means not thinking everyone is out to get you without justification and to those who are out to get you it means laughing in their face as you walk away happy and successful. What is the alternative? Stewing in your own rage only hurts you. The bigots don't care: they want you to be miserable and kept down. Don't help them do it!


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S Leretseh 2 years ago

Good heavens! Blacks were NOT a persecuted people in America. The ONLY time blacks - prior to 1964 - saw racial violence from white people was because of a rape and/or murder of a white person. White people , rarely EVER attacked blacks without cause. Which explains why blacks pleaded for and supplicated so fervently to get their integration. Would a persecuted people do THAT?! Did The Jews march down the streets in Ukraine demanding integration rights into political systems and economics systems of the Ukrainian people? Did Jews demand to live in Ukrainian built homes in Ukrainian communities? Blacks were suppose to be a separate and self-reliant people. They were suppose to live within the structure and confines of their own group. Instead of self-reliance, blacks pleaded for integration. White Christian male lawmakers granted the black man his plea. No people in human history EVER did that for another people - AND WITH NO QUID PRO QUO.

Blacks were NOT being denied constitutional rights in America prior to 1964. They were not a persecuted people. They were NOT a wronged people in any way. American history is being re-written to imply all the above.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

JssNY2014, thanks for your comment and reading the article. Thanks for "getting it" also! Blacks do not, DO NOT have an excuse for bad behavior as a group! Blacks do have decades as a group before racial healing will occur. Jews have had hell from the beginning starting with Abraham; however, they kept their identity as Jews. American Blacks seem to have been the only group of slave descendents that use that at a crutch to some degree. I have heard no others do that. I am lacking in all historical knowledge also.

I know that in the south I was tormented by two White boys just because of my color, but I do not think the were racist. They used the N-word to intimidate me me, but only because they were bullies. It felt like more to me, but only because I was afraid at the time. Looking back at the incidents and how these men turned out lets me know that they were not racist. One of them married a Black woman unless I am mistaken.

I know that doesn't make them free of prejudice, but not racist.

As long as parents teach their children hate there will be hate. My son just finished reading a book for Summer school that depicted how Blacks were treated in American society in the past and it outraged him! Luckily, he understands that what happened to those people, including my mother and his grandmother, does not have dictate how he behaves towards Whites.

One of the people I visit monthly in my congregation had a really harsh reaction to slavery. Her parents had not broached the subject of slavery to her since she was such a young person, and did not know how to begin, I happened to tell the family about a teaching and used slavery as an example.

My son was with me and as we spoke, this young woman's face was full of horror! She was disgusted and hurt. She said, "How could a person own another person."

I think she was ill afterwards because it shocked her system so much. I apologized to her parents for bring it up. I thought that people a their daughter;s age were already knowledgeable about such things. Her parents told me that they were trying to figure out how to bring up the past of slavery and I made it aware for them. They could then talk to their family about it.

Their family also happens to be a White family.

I wish that people would expose their children to the history of our nation sooner so that we can avoid those Whites who feel responsible to all Blacks because of what others have done and the Blacks who feel Whites are responsible!


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

I agree with you somewhat S. Leretseh to some extent, but your delivery is too unbalanced. Whites actually pleaded for integration first but the Black community did not want to do it. This is during the reconstruction era in the South. The Blacks in America did try to build a separate group in the US, but each time a town or city became prosperous, jealous Whites would enter them and take control of each city.

Eventually, the only way to prosper in the US was to integrate into the larger White Culture. In fact, that is what most ethnicities have historically decided to do.


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Gregory King 2 years ago

Thanks for the article. Race and identity is something I am investigating as a part of my artistic research and I wanted to contribute to the conversation.

I was taught to think that my blackness comes from a place of white oppression and fight; always holding on to the crutch of slavery so as to validate my claim to entitled anger.

Does this then mean that every dance I dance should be a reflection of that passage?

In all my blackness, I project my history through my moving body.

In all my blackness, I want to feel the history of other cultures through my moving body.

What if we danced each other’s past? Understanding the humanness that unites us as a pure form of mankind.

What if we danced each other’s present? Welcoming each other’s differences of gender, skin color, political views and socio-economic backgrounds.

What if we danced each other’s future? Dancing the dance that will unite us…….if only in our dreams.


citygray 2 years ago

Well written article though I disagree somewhat with its premise. We Americans have been the victim of a snow job and its all in the way that our education system structured it. First of all, Native Americans were the slaves for over 200 years, and there were some descendants of NAs who went on past Emancipation. Those are under the "Freedom Suits" or.......... http://www.virginiamemory.com/blogs/out_of_the_box... and OFFICIAL Indian slavery ended around 1725. The Freedom Suits were just those who by law were legally free. All this on top of the fact that they LOST 95% of their population forever.

Indentured servants are yet another lie perpetuated by our education system. The earliest White Irish were actually slaves. I know that these things do little to effect today's population, but tell that to the Irish who were worked and beaten to death in many cases. They were even outright murdered for their promised land allotments which went to their master as the next of kin automatically.

It seems to be by design that we are only taught African slavery in spite of the massive amounts of records otherwise. At the end of the day what you have is a Black child who goes for the rest of his/her life feeling unworthy and victimized. They had to give Native Americans their slavery because if they didn't, they'd be faced with insurrection from two groups who may come together to defeat the colonist. That's when the plan was hatched to pit one against the other. Indians were lead to believe that they were just a step away from being White as an US vs. THEM strategy. By the 20th Century most all other slavery had been forgotten leaving only one group as "victim". Undoubtedly that sentiment lingers on behalf of all groups. The superior, the mediocre, and the inferior.

I hope that you realize that I'm not referring to you personally. I am an African American as well and some of the things that I see in the Black community are really discouraging sometimes. There is no one else to blame except us and perhaps our leaders who were asleep at the helm. Obama should have been boycotting artist like Jay Z rather than patting him on the back. Hip Hop though a beautiful way for disenfranchised youth to express themselves, but when it becomes destructive, its time to take inventory. I can certainly appreciate the need to protect from government censorship as it is a very slippery slope, however, there are other ways to modify the behavior of these errant artist concerned with their own lots in life. Spotlighting is always an option.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks for readied my article and commenting with your opinion. I must say that the premise of my article was not to diminish the Native American groups but to showcase how no other group (including the Native Americans) lost their culture and language as did African Slaves. Black Americans are uniquely a product of America without the cultural links that slaves in other nations like Brazil, where 4 million of the reported 8 million African slaves went. Only half a million African captives were taken to the states and bred to make the current Black population give or take.


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Robert Pummer 19 months ago from Kentucky, USA

I liked your article as you make many good points. It seems like your attitude is becoming individualistic, that is, being your own man. That is a good attitude. Everyone has obstacles and how we overcome is the story of our own life, and no one else's.


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Rodric29 19 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Thanks for reading and commenting Robert. If I understand your comment you think that I promote personal accountability despite the circumstances surrounding a person's life. If that is so, you are correct. Heritage is important but should never be a handicap or crutch. It is important to know why things may be, but we should never allow the past to destroy a good future.


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Robert Pummer 19 months ago from Kentucky, USA

Right. Knowing "why things may be" give you the freedom to make adjustments for success.


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jxb7076 18 months ago from United States of America

Excellent insight, well researched, and well presented. Thanks for sharing.


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Rodric29 18 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

I appreciate your comment and reading of this article jxb7076.


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William Dugat 15 months ago from Lufkin, Texas

I understand this article completely, and everything said is true, but what I can't get is why some members of the black community (NOT ALL) insist that ANY police action toward a black person is purely because of race. I like to use Trey Martin as an example. Mark Zimmerman shot him, and whether it was self defense or not, his parents turned it into a much larger deal than it was. I understand they lost their child, but around the same time, a white baby in a stroller was shot by a black man during a bank robbery. The parents of the baby did not assume it was racial, and the incident never went past state news teams, while Trey Martin's story went international. That baby was also the youngest crime victim in American history. Still only made state news. Good article though, voted up. If you respond, please refrain from asking questions and expecting me to respond. I need a break from this site for a while. I've been arguing about the same sex marriage stuff and it's all giving me a headache. I just wanted to voice my opinion, not by any means start an argument, and as I have seen, you can keep things civil, and as I know you have seen, most others cannot, so I appreciate your ability to do so. Have a nice day and feel free to respond, but I will likely not be back to this article again. I have another battle to fight!


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Rodric29 15 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

A criminal killing a baby is horrible! i am surprised it did not make more news.

The answer to your question is a multi-faceted psychological answer. Simply put, White people do not think about race in the same manner as Blacks or other minorities do--including the minority called White Supremacist

A White supremacist would had used the death of the baby as a racially motivated incident. White people in general would not voice their displeausre in the form of overt racism, but would internalize it subconsciously applying blame to the criminal element in general, which tends to be Black and other minorities. In other words, they may not directly associate it with race in one incident as do Black people.

Black people in general tend to pay attention only to racially motivated crimes agaist their communities. The Black community at large seems to overlook the great crimes Blacks commit against each other to focus on the few Whites commit against Blacks these days.

Also, we must consider the demographics of the people involved. What is there religious background, racial make up, ethnicity, marital status, education, occupation, etc.

Demographics play a large part in how people will respond to stressful situations. Not all the Blacks, which number about 47 million, participated in the Trayvon and George issue.

Many Black people have had negative experience with the police. I have not as of yet and I am almost 40. I have also not run into any racist police officers, though I have come across some mean officers.

I am intelligent enough to keep my mouth closed and bring up any injustices in court. I hope I never need to.

Some officers assume that Black people are ignorant of the law and treat them poorly. I respect the police but have become fearful of them because of recent shootings.

I fear that the police will become nervous around me just because of the high tension in the nation about police relations. I used to walk up to cops and thank them for their service. I will only do it now if they are off duty and we are in a civilian setting.

I don't want to stress my cops out. Is that racial? Yes, but I want to avoid misunderstandings while still supporting my heros, the cops.


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pumpkincat210 14 months ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A.

Informative. I will keep these points in mind in the future. Thanks.


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Rodric29 14 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

pumplincat210, thank you for reading and leaving a brief comment. It is important as Americans to have a bit of understanding about each other so that we can be more united as a nation.

Of all the groups in America, I believe the African American is the most confused and pitiful. There are not clear leaders that actually WANT to guide the group in a positive direction on a national scale and very few who I am aware of at a local scale.

I believe the psychological impact of what has occurred to Blacks in America is still lingering and will got away in a generation or two.

The ideas that can change the course of Black History is a return to family values, God, and religion. Since the falling away of the moral values that were synonymous with religion at one time in Black Churches, confusion abounds. The very institutions that supported the Black communities are eroding.

If this erosion were only in the Black community, it would not be so discouraging that change could happen. The eroding of the entire Country away from traditional religious morals has created a generation of people oblivious to morality--and when they do pay attentions to morals, they are self-invented morals that are only related to what makes the individual happy and not what helps to increase peace in the larger community.

So Sad....


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realtalk247 10 months ago

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Tara Mapes 7 months ago

Rodric, I agree with your recount of black American history, but often, we forget whites were enslaved next to blacks. That the rich, both black and white, benefited from slavery. And that when blacks and whites combined together, their power was feared and undeniable. The elite saw this and for many years segregated indentured and poor whites from enslaved and free blacks just to prevent a resistance and uprising. It didn't last, as you know. Slavery was abolished, and it was due to the coming together of whites and blacks and ignoring the elites efforts to turn them all against each other. That is what is missing in today's society. We no longer look at the common goals we share. We spew vitriol and carry around insecurities whether another race is judging us because of our flesh. It's sad. We are allowing racism to be continued for us rather than remembering history, and our power. I wrote a hub on it recently. It includes a historic overview of what both our races suffered and overcame to have freedom. Take a look, let me know your thoughts? Dialogue is the first step towards understanding.


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Rodric29 7 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

Tara, thanks for commenting. I want to first respond regarding your belief about White Slaves. They did not exist to the extent that Black Slaves did. No one went to Europe and purchased a boat load of Whites from different nationalities from the French. No one bred Whites or enslaved them for life including their descendants.

Let us be clear. White "slavery" was indentured service. You cannot equate it to what the Africans went through in any degree. If I allowed you to do so without saying something about it I would be a bad steward of information. Black Slavery is my heritage and I am familiar with what my people had to endure. I speak English because my ancestors were forced here. I am Christian because my ancestors were forced here (And I love Jesus because of it). I am multiracial because my ancestors were raped here.

Blacks NEVER stood on equal footing with the Whites even though some, a handful of Blacks owned slaves. Free Blacks purchased their relatives. Also, a Free Black could be enslaved with one word from a White person.

There has never been a kindred struggle for freedom between Blacks and Whites until the late twentieth century in the USA. Any battle Blacks fought in, once it was over the Whites did not give them freedom, Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Spanish American War, WWI, and WWII. When Blacks did get something, it started in the military first.

Your version of history misrepresents the truth. Blacks were not included in the constitutional protections. Blacks were 3/5 of a person. Women did not even have rights. What rights people have now are those fought for and guaranteed by the television age. TV is what freed my people.

The majority of White people did not like Blacks around because we were different physically. We have no choice but to have similar culture since the slaves had their culture stripped and today's Black person is the result. Other races and ethinicities of people have similar hair and complexion to Whites and can fit in. For Blacks, that does not work for the majority. Even in the North the Blacks were treated like outcasts. Canada was the promised land for many.

I love people. I love history. Just because I love people does not mean that I will pretend that history did not happen. I believe all people should have equal protection under the law and be treated with dignity and respect. That does not happen either. The poor are not treated respectfully. That's another issue though.


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Tara Mapes 7 months ago

Ah, that's where I disagree with you. The Irish slave trade -White people sold, stolen and bred. Same with the French, women sold and bred to populate Canada for control.

As for misrepresenting, I have to say that you're insinuating the authors of the book "Who Built America" are misrepresenting. I merely paraphrased and cited sources.

I believe your response answers my question. I think people are too preoccupied about the differences between races than the common goal. It's not about who suffered more, it's about who is ready to stop the suffering now. Peace to you.


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Rodric29 7 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

I have heard the stories about Irish "slaves." I have also researched it to discover that it is not slavery but debt recovery. If the Irish were slaves, they would not be released after service. These people were indentured servants, sold into service because of debt. When the debt was paid they were released and their are historical records to prove it.

White people did not enslave each other the same way the enslaved other races. The White people in America did the most for institutional slavery by breeding slaves. I mention that an entire continent is used to describe my heritage. The fact that Irish people know their heritage takes them out of equal standing to Black slavery. White slave owner breeders in the US so thoroughly mixed the tribes that the only heritage Blacks have begins with slavery. We have to do DNA test just to do family history!

Irish people were not listed as numbers on a ship's manifest and herded like cattle. Do not equate so called White "slavery" to what happened to Africans. It is not the same.

As for you statement about suffering I say that slavery is over in most parts of the world. I do not suffer from it. I did not suffer terribly from racism either, but we do talk about it much in this country. It is okay. We need to talk about it. Racism is the big issue now.

In my article I speak about overcoming it. I get the feeling you insinuate that I want to harp on who had it the worst. My people had it the worst. I cannot find out my heritage like an Irish person can. That is my only complaint.

I am grateful my ancestors survived slavery in the nation because I love America. I love the Constitution which makes this nation great.


William Dugat 7 months ago

Irish Slavery did exist, however nowhere near the scale of African slavery. The only Irish slaves were the 30,000 political prisoners sent here and sold from Ireland in the 1600's. Many were given land or freedom after some time serving, however not all were, so there were a small number of Irish "slaves". The main distinction is that when the Irish were enslaved here, they at least had a physical identity. Black slaves had no form of identity, because they were of course not considered human, they were lower than human. Irish slavery existed but on a very very small scale of only a few thousand. The rest were servants.


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Rodric29 7 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona Author

William, I do not see where there are records of perpetual slavery. I am assuming those who stayed servants their entire lives could not pay off the debt. Irish people did not provide perpetual slavery. If anything they became free and acquired Africans as slaves as pirates on slave ships.

I detest the Irish debt service compared to African slavery because Africans could not hide. Irish people could hide in plain sight of the crown. They were put in slavery for rebellion against the crown and shipped off to serve as prisoners and servants just like any other group in European war history, The Irish lost and England punished them. Irish slavery was not an institution. Blacks were put in slavery for profit.

There were Irish people who were slaves, but Irish slavery did not exist as an institution of commerce. What happened to Ireland was horrible for them because they lost and the people suffered. It is the same thing that happened to Africans in terms of cruelty. Africans cultural genocide is what happened.

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