Obamacare Creator Sen. Max Baucus (D) Calls Affordable Care Act a "Train Wreck"

Obamacare is Awesome?

Obamacare is Awesome
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Is the Affordable Care Act Really Awesome?

In America, we pride ourselves in having a Constitution, giving us unalienable rights with freedoms that many people in the world only dream about.

However, these rights are slowly being taken away under the guise that our country is "Moving Forward."

The Affordable Care Act, or "Obamacare" is a prime example of what happens when people that we have elected have turned against the people and taken away our rights to choose for ourselves.

Editorial Comment: Some people argue that we need Obamacare to take care of those without healthcare insurance, supporting the ideal that it is okay to take money out of the pockets of some, to help the poor.

While the Robin Hood mentality may seem noble to these folks, why don't the Robin Hoods band together and form the Merry Men and pay for the poor without stealing from others?

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare will be discussed in depth as Democrats are very worried that their precious baby has grown into a monster that enjoys feeding on U.S. taxpayer money.

Pres.Obama Signing Affordable Care Act

Pres. Obama signing the Affordable Care Act
Pres. Obama signing the Affordable Care Act | Source

Senator Max Baucus (D) Montana

Senator Max Baucus (D) Montana is retiring
Senator Max Baucus (D) Montana is retiring | Source

It's Gonna Cost How Much?

Politico states: "...the new White House budget, from the time the exchanges open in 2014 to 2021, the administration expects to spend about $606 billion on subsidies, a massive commitment of federal resources."

The Wall Street Journal

The Wall Street Journal editorialists have been clear that they have been against the Affordable Care Act from start to passage, calling it "a fiasco for the ages."


The Washington Times

The Washington Times editorialists publicly issued an apology to its readers here, pointing out that they "weren't critical enough" of the Affordable Care Act.

President Obama Quote on Medicare and Medicaid

“It is not sufficient for us simply to add more people to Medicare or Medicaid to increase the rolls, to increase coverage in the absence of cost controls and reform, another way of putting it is we can’t simply put more people into a broken system that doesn’t work.”

-President Barack Obama

Source: Carrie Budoff Brown, “Barack Obama stresses health care as an economic necessity,”Politico, June 3, 2009, http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23268.html

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Democrats Worried About Their Own Legislation

Who would've imagined that the party that used "cloak and dagger" politics to force one-sided legislation through would now be worried about its impact on the U.S.?

That's irony for you.

The Democrats have admitted that the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare is an approaching train wreck, at best. Their words, not mine.

Retiring Democrat Sick of His Own Party

One of the main authors of the Affordable Care Act, Democrat Senator Max Baucus (on right) of Montana, is retiring. Senator Max Baucus was instrumental in creating and passing Obamacare through the Senate. In March 2013, he called the Affordable Care Act "a huge train wreck coming down."

A Boston Globe article also pointed out internal frustrations with his own party. Senator Max Baucus criticized the Democratic Leader Harry Reid, after sending an online sales tax bill to the Senate floor without first submitting it to the Finance Committee. By the way, Max Baucus was on the Senate Finance Committee for 30 years - the very committee that Harry Reid bypassed.

Editorial Comment:

This sounds awfully familiar to the tactics used to pass the Affordable Care Act. Their motto should be: "If you can't get other people on board with your legislation, bypass them completely."

Senator Max Baucus is Worried About Obamacare

With retirement on the horizon, Senator Max Baucus can be candidly honest about the impact of Obamacare on the U.S. because his re-election hopes are not on the line.

Senator Baucus is very concerned because the Federal Government is behind schedule in setting up online insurance exchanges in 34 states by October 2013.

This Politico article shares that the White House estimates that setting up these exchanges will cost $240 Billion more than originally projected.

Where is this money going to come from?

Editorial answer: Your pockets, of course! I know you have a billion just lying around the house.

How The Supreme Court's Ruling Impacted the Cost of the Health Care Exchanges

On June 28, 2012, the Supreme Court found that forcing states to uphold the Affordable Care Act's Medicaid expansion was not constitutional. While the Medicaid expansion remains in the health care law, it is optional for each state.

The Congressional Budget Office - a nonpartisan analysis for the U.S. Congress - has found that 3 million less people will be covered in 2022 because individual state decisions not to expand Medicaid. Therefore, the Supreme Court ruling will save the U.S. government an estimated $80 billion by 2022.

Politico points out that millions of Americans are concerned about the increased cost of health care required by insurance companies. Something that nobody knows until we receive the first bill.

Why the White House is Delaying the Employer Mandate

The Obama Administration is postponing the enforcement of the employer mandate.The U.S. Treasury posted a statement on their blog on how the Obama Administration is postponing the enforcement of the employer mandate out of thoughtful concerns for U.S. businesses.

Editorial Comment: In reality, it is because enforcing the mandate will be costly, and they are not prepared to take on such a task.

But hold on, this Forbes article suggested yet a more in-depth answer. Forbes contributor Robert Book thinks that by delaying the employer mandate, that the enforcement of the individual mandate will also be delayed.

Robert Book points out that without the collection of information needed to enforce the employer mandate, that same lack of information will prevent any efforts to enforce the individual mandate.

Very astute observation, Mr. Book.

Affordable Care Act Information Collection Ran by the "Unbiased" IRS

The Affordable Care Act requires insurers and employers to provide health coverage reports as well as which employees that opt to decline health care coverage, when they were eligible to receive it.

All of this information will be collected by the IRS, the department of the government that has been targeting conservative and religious groups at the request of U.S. Democratic Senators. (My article on the IRS being caught red-handed can be read here)

Is Your Information Safe With the IRS?

What is even more troubling is that the IRS recently exposed tens of thousands of Social Security numbers on public government websites. This is the agency that is going to be collecting even more information on everybody with the Affordable Care Act.

Don't think for a second that your information is secure and confidential once the Affordable Care Act starts up.

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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

Your quote from Baucus is a bit short in content. A more complete quote is - "I just see a huge train wreck coming down," he told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at a Wednesday hearing. "You and I have discussed this many times, and I don't see any results yet." Baucus pressed Sebelius for details about how the Health Department will explain the law and raise awareness of its provisions, which are supposed to take effect in just a matter of months. "I'm very concerned that not enough is being done so far — very concerned," Baucus said. (from a The Hill article). It seems the "train wreck" for Baucus isn't because Obamacare is unworkable, but because HHS hasn't explained it very well; a position with which I agree.

Sen. Reid also used the "train wreck" metaphor when agreeing with Baucus, but the context was this - "Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare.", again, from The Hill.

I noticed many of those states who fought against the Medicaid provision are now jumping on board with it.

That is sad isn't it, certain states of the Conservative persuasion will deny 3 million people access to Medicaid by 2022.

I don't see how being "too costly" can be implied from a decision that impacts only 4% of all businesses with more than 50 employees.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

You might have missed the part that says it is going to cost $240 Billion more than projected. There are many people like you that would love to spend other people's money, and do it in the name of charity. That's no more noble than it is greedy and selfish.

Medicaid is a broken program, unchanged since 1965. President Obama said, "“It is not sufficient for us simply to add more people to Medicare or Medicaid to increase the rolls, to increase coverage in the absence of cost controls and reform, another way of putting it is we can’t simply put more people into a broken system that doesn’t work.”


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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

We have no idea what it is going to cost, reductions in Medicare costs, actual and projected through 2016 amounts to $200 billion already and Medicare users have and will save another $208 billion projected out through 2022. Not sure your $240 billion increase is going to hold up.

Those other people you are talking about, you know the ones who can but refuse to buy health insurance, go to the emergency room when they get sick and stick me with the bill; which is worse?

No, I think Obama said Medicaid needs cost controls and reform, which Obamacare does. See, it depends on which phrase you read.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

My Esoteric, I didn't come up with the $240 Billion. The Politico article is referencing what the White House has publicly stated. I have sources cited. Its okay if you don't agree with me, but its very clear.

The Obama quote on Medicaid is cited as well.

This country wasn't founded on the principle that government was created to force people to pay for other people. U.S. Citizens should have a right to choose. The problem is that most people would choose not to voluntarily pay. That is a right. So now we are all forced to pay higher insurance costs under that guise that its "free healthcare for all." Meanwhile, the Doctors that can afford to stay in business are lowering the standard of care and time spent with patients, because they are being paid less for doing the same.


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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

A year ago, in a letter to Speaker Boehner, the CBO said the economic impact of repealing Obamacare would "increase" the federal deficit by $109 billion over the period 2013 to 2022; in other words, repealing Obamacare will add to the debt.

In a May 2013 report, the CBO said that, "excluding" the revenue raising provision of the ACA, the cost of ACA will be "lower" than those predicted using the Mar 2010, Mar 2011, Mar 2012, and Aug 2012 baselines. The latest May 2013 baseline appears to be about $5 billion higher than the Feb 2013 for 2023. It appears to be (I am looking a CBO graph) is $200 billion lower, in 2020, than that project for the same date in the Mar 2010 baseline. And the problem is?

Somebody in America is always making involuntary payments toward other peoples health care. The choice is which group of American's make these involuntary payments, the scofflaws who refuse to buy insurance and then pass their costs on to the resat of ethical Americans, or the ethical Americans. Your choice, the outcome is the same ... someone is going to paying for something they don't want to.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

I don't know anyone who wants to pay for something they don't want to. But I am against how the Affordable Care Act was passed because it violates people's rights. If we live in a democracy then what happened to the democratic process?

It was forced through by one party. So now the Democrats not only want the praise for this gross abuse of power, but then when there are repercussions of the ACA, the ones in office don't want to claim responsibility.

Why not let the American people vote on it?

Because that's how politicians do things these days. Just like the Harry Reid reference in the article. Politicians just go around those in the way -- even when they are in their own party. The end does not justify the means. If you can't bring about change in the right and lawful manner, that something is not right.


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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

If you recall, the other Party refused to play at all, so it is not like the Democrats shut them out; not playing was the Conservatives choice.

American's don't vote on it because that is not the way the signers of the Constitution set the process up. They set it up for the People to be represented by the House, the aristocracy by the Senate, that their be no Parties, and that the elected Representatives carry out the People's will by compromise.

You will need to show me exactly where something unlawful was done in the passing of the ACA. They worked on the language of the bill for months and months, those who wanted to participate did, so, the major provisions were known by all well in advance of the final vote. It was the nit-noid stuff (plus any earmarks) that was completed at the last minute to produce a final bill.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

ObamaCare fails to apportion the tax among the states by population, and therefore is not a valid direct tax, yet was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court -- a tax for doing absolutely nothing.

This “tax” does not satisfy the three types of taxes – income, excise, or direct – listed as valid in the Constitution. The penalty is not assessed on income so it is not a valid income tax. The penalty is not assessed uniformly and is triggered by economic inactivity so it is not a valid excise tax.

My Esoteric, I'm sure you can keep on and never give up your loyalty to the Democratic Party, but I have provided enough evidence.


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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

I would say it is a tax for passing on your responsibility to others. BTW, I don't believe the Income, Social Security and Medicare tax are apportioned to the states by population; all three have survived many Supreme Court challenges as to their Constitutionality and of course, this penalty is, by definition, a tax because the Supreme Court has declared it as such; you may not agree with it, but that is the Law of the Land.

BTW, I was a Republican, the Abraham Lincoln type, before the Conservatives forced me to become an Independent, never have been a Democrat, except to be able vote in primaries when there was no worthwhile Republican to vote for.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

It surprises me that you would think the manner in which the ACA was passed was right and that you take the stance that "we are all going to have to pay anyways, so let's get be taxed and be forced to do it."

When Socialism takes place the overall standard of Healthcare goes down.

Congress cited the Commerce Clause as its constitutional authority for passing the Affordable Care Act (“ACA”). The Act requires every American to purchase an approved health insurance plan, under penalty of law. The federal government had never before required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the U.S.

Not only that, being without health insurance has no impact on interstate commerce. Only when an uninsured individual seeks healthcare and then refuses to pay for the services rendered is there arguably an effect on interstate commerce. There is virtually no decision one can make which has no economic impact.. If Congress were permitted to regulate thought processes (i.e. the decision to forego buying health insurance), there would be virtually no limit to federal power under the Commerce Clause. For this reason, the individual mandate is beyond the power bestowed upon Congress in the Commerce Clause.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

My Esoteric, you have stated your opinions here. The elected representatives did not carry out the ACA by compromise, they rammed it through when they saw their chance. There is really no further need for you to share why you "think" the ACA is constitutional.


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My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

I love it when someone makes a mis-statement of the truth because they didn't look far enough. A May 2013 CNN poll reported that:

- 43% favor Obamacare

- 51% oppose Obamacare

- 7% had no opinion

Looks good for the Right, doesn't it? But Wait, there is more, for when you drill down in the poll data, the real truth is:

- 43% favor Obamacare (among the highest since Mar 2010)

- 16% oppose Obamacare because "It Is Not Liberal Enough" (the highest since Mar 2010)

- 35% oppose Obamacare because "It is Too Liberal Enough" (the lowest since Mar 2010)

- 7% had no opinion

If you are able, please explain why more people than ever think that Obamacare or something more liberal is needed?


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

My Esoteric, if 43% favor Obamacare, then 57% disapprove. The majority disapprove. I don't have to answer your question.

This Hub is about the clear fact that the ACA is a train wreck, Dem's agree, and laws should not be passed without being read first, they should not be passed when the people are not represented.


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

My Esoteric. I'm not interested in your rabbit trails. I have posted plenty of sources. The statistics you post don't disprove what I have shared in the Hub above. I'm not interested in conservative this, liberal that, independent yada yada. This Hub speaks for itself.


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OldWitchcraft 3 years ago from The Atmosphere

Obamacare: Just say, "No."


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zeke2100 3 years ago Author

Agreed. Obamacare is a train wreck.


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Rheagl 3 years ago

The Supreme Court's ruling that Obamacare is a TAX and not a healthcare bill actually defined the reason Obamacare is INVALID and should be totally thrown out. The Supreme Court actually KILLED Obamacare - we just need to get someone in authority to ENFORCE the Constitution!!! --- http://bit.ly/180wJtE

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