The Worst Commander in Chief in History

God Bless the USA: My Husband Mark (on the rt.) and son Alex (in the middle) honored at a Red Wings Game.

My son on his leave, taking me out for lunch and a movie - just the two of us. I have a marvelous daughter-in-law to allow me such precious time with my baby.
My son on his leave, taking me out for lunch and a movie - just the two of us. I have a marvelous daughter-in-law to allow me such precious time with my baby.
This is Alex's wife Kristen and their daughter Kaylee.
This is Alex's wife Kristen and their daughter Kaylee.
Our family during our stay in Detriot.
Our family during our stay in Detriot.

Our son had two weeks of R&R (the Army acronym for “Rest and Relaxation”) from Afghanistan. Thankfully – he considers our home in Lansing “home” so he told his new wife – if you stay with my mother and father in Lansing – I’ll go there for my R&R and then we all can be together.

So Kristen and our little granddaughter came to stay with us in November. We waited for our wonderful son to come home to us – to come home to his new wife and his little girl who is now almost nine months old. He left when she was less than a month old.

My son’s unit is the 4/23rd Infantry Battalion – Stryker Brigade, US Army. Alex has seen things no one should ever have to see. His life, and the life of the other soldiers in his unit are constantly on the line over there. They are boots on the ground, infantry, dodging bullets, bombs and living like animals. They sacrifice all for our country and as I’ve always said – for complete strangers. They’re not only willing to die for their loved ones and family – they are willing to die to maintain the rights and the liberty of complete strangers. It takes a very special kind of person to become a soldier.

Our daughter Allie works for the Tampa Bay Rays – and she was able to arrange (with her contacts in Detroit, Michigan) – to the surprise of both my husband and son – a wonderful tribute to them by the Detroit Red Wings. The video you see was taken by Allie. I can not watch it without crying, and I mean the tears streaming down my face crying.

It was a packed Red Wings stadium and they all got to their feet and cheered for my husband then an active duty Colonel in the Army recently back from a year in Iraq, my son a SPC in the Army home from Afghanistan for two weeks and another wonderful soldier.

You may have been listening to the news that the Stryker Brigade is going to very dangerous places lately. I can’t believe my son is in this unit – it’s so different when it’s your BABY – but he is. I won’t share the few things he told while home – I had to pray WHILE he relayed some of what he saw and was a part of. I wanted to run from the room screaming – but I listened and my heart went out to my son – a young man of 22 who has lost some good friends and has seen a glimpse of hell. He's also seen his share of pure evil.

My parallel concern is that my son and so many other heroes are risking so much for our country and all this President talks about and works on is a sweeping health care reform bill that the American people do not want!


This is an outrage that goes beyond anger. I have to fight hating this President – the Commander-in-Chief who acts less like a Commander-in-Chief than any other President in my life-time and probably in history. I venture to say he will probably go down in history as being THE worst Commander in Chief the U.S. has ever had to date.

At a time when our country is at war – he never stops with his Obama care – something the American people have made so clear that the vast majority hates, didn’t ask for and definitely does not want.

I wish I could talk to him. If I could I would say: Your obsession Mr. President -- with something that is not wanted and is not nearly as important as our national security is mind boggling.


I would even understand if you had become obsessed with the economy. I could at least understand the need to help all the unemployed hurting Americans. There would be some comfort in knowing you care for a cause that is bigger and more important than yourself.

Instead, you have spent a year touting this ridiculous socialist-like take-over of our country by attempting to introduce a sweeping health care bill. If you had taken one fraction of your time meeting with, planning and executing strategies to WIN the war on terror perhaps we wouldn’t be losing lives in Iraq and Afghanistan as we have. Did you even notice it has escalated? The death toll Mr. President. I’m talking about the deaths of young and not so young, heroic men and women. My impression is, even if you had noticed, you don’t care. But what would you know of such a thing? Heroism I refer to. I suppose you believe trying to quit smoking is heroic…

In one year of your Presidency Mr. Obama, you can take credit that 30% of all the 8 year Afghanistan war causalities occurred since you took office. That’s 30% of ALL CASUALITIES President Obama – on your stinking watch! Why President Obama, aren’t you spending much more of your time trying to DECREASE those numbers? How DO you sleep at night?

You are a national disgrace Mr. Obama, I am so very sorry to say. You make President Nixon look like an angel. Your narcissistic, ego-feeding attempt to make a program for some type of legacy you’ve dreamed up is despicable. Oh, did I mention it is something the American people by a vast majority do not want in any way shape or form?

My Son Alex told me he slept out on the dirt and sand for a month while they built a Forward Operating Base. My Son who takes a shower every day under normal conditions said, he finds sand and grit in places he didn’t think possible while in Afghanistan.


And he’s also told me he has watched the life leave the eyes of a dying soldier.

I pray every day that someone will not one day tell me they saw the same in my son’s eyes.

You have no clue President Obama what it is like for his wife to wait here in the United States, with a Commander in Chief who is incapable of doing anything other than feed his own ego. She waits and prays no one will come to the door to tell her that her husband has been killed.

You are incapable of actually being the Commander in Chief and taking charge of a situation that needs much of your attention! I do not understand why you are not relieved of your duties because you are an utter failure thus far.

I pray you will somehow, by some miracle, wake up and you will have a conscience and get about the things that are important, essential and need to be addressed in this country. The War on Terror would be just about number 1 and the hurting economy that is teetering on destruction – an economy you have made dramatically worse by tripling the national debt during your first year -- would be a close second.

Health care? While it is something that should be addressed, it could never be more important than those who have sacrificed all and who are prepared to sacrifice all to protect the very liberties and freedoms that made someone like you President of the United States. They - our military -- deserve so much more of your time and attention Mr. President. So much more!

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breakfastpop 6 years ago

Dear cjv,

Your passionate and moving words rocked me to my core. You have a beautiful family and you are all American heroes in the truest sense of the word. I have never heard a President talk less about a war that we are engaged in than Obama. He is indifferent and detached and it has to strike at the hearts of every soldier out there putting their lives on the line. I will pray for the safe return of your son.


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sheila b. 6 years ago

I agree with you. And though I wish we could set Afghanistan and Iraq on a good course, I know it won't happen in the short time Obama has allowed. Moreso, Obama knows that. So our men and women are suffering and dying for no good reason. If he was an honest man, Obama would have said, I don't want us in those wars and we're pulling out immediately. At least that would have saved our troops.


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Tom Cornett 6 years ago from Ohio

I saw my parents cry many tears when my brother was in Vietnam twice and Desert Storm once. He came home wounded twice. The worry never ends when they are serving in a war.

You are very right about how the Afghan war should be Obama's absolute number one priority.

Our soldiers deserve our best....because they are our best.


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maven101 6 years ago from Northern Arizona

cjv...How proud you must be with a warrior son such as yours...I noticed in the pic of him with his wife and child, that his smile was a carbon copy of yours...

Stryker teams are at the pointy end of combat operations...My prayers for him and his fellow strykers as they lay it on the line for all of us...

I saw micro-management of the war in Vietnam...a tactic that undermined the morale and efficiency of those in the trenches...the unbelievable directive from administration officials, completely unknowledgeable of hot, intense, close combat, that Miranda warnings must be given in situ is ridiculously and dangerously naive...Leave the tactics to the men in the field, let the administration consider strategy under advisement from our Joint Chiefs...I've seen this before and it makes me sick.

God bless your son and Semper Fi from this old Marine...Larry


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Hey Pop - thanks so much for the encouragement. You keep Hubbing your outrage - we all need to stand up to this failed, weak administration!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Sheila - I don't agree with you I believe going into both Iraq and Afghanistan were necessary. But I do thank you for commenting. We didn't start this war, the terrorists have. We can't just cut and run either and leave the Iraqi's and Afghans to the horror of the Taliban and Al Quaeda we can't just abandon them now. However, this President has only adopted the Bush administration's tactics - a good thing - but then he has fumbled what little he has done. And what he shows the world is - he doesn't give a hang about this war or our troops. This is horrible for the troop morale and worse for the safety of our own U.S. citizens here in America. He has emboldened the Terrorists. This President should be replaced by a special election for not holding up what he was sworn to do for this country.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks for your comments Tom - it just makes me insane that this President can make himself busy with any number of absolutely unnecessary things - I think he's holding a party at the White House for a huge Atheist group. HELLO! We're at WAR HERE!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Maven - you made me cry when I read your comments. Thank you for taking the time to say such touching things - coming from an ole crusty Marine - makes it even more special! ;-)


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Ken R. Abell 6 years ago from ON THE ROAD

cjv123 - Thank you for sharing straight from your heart. It is moving & emotionally engaging. May the God of all grace & protection surround your son & keep him safe; may the peace that transcends all understanding blossum in your heart.


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commisioner 6 years ago from florida

cj, your family makes me proud to be american. given the youth and health back, i would gladly serve by your son's side and/or under your husbands command. my time to serve has gone, but i tried to get into desert storm and iraqi freedom. they said i was to old and busted up. hell i can still shoot.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Ken R. Abell - OK - snot fest - your comments made me cry too. Thank you for the prayers. If it wasn't for my faith - I would be in a rubber room somewhere, thank God for His mercy and grace and His strength!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Commissioner - your words are wonderfully heart-felt and I thank you for them. I thank you for your support and your heart to serve - even though you weren't able. Your last sentence made me laugh!


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michiganman567 6 years ago from Michigan

I hope your son keeps safe over there. Thanks for sharing. Obama is a disgrace, and the media is even more disgraceful. If one person died in Iraq with Bush they were calling the war a lost cause. Now with Obama the news doesn't even cover the war on terror.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Very insightful comments michiganman! You're absolutely right about the media. They hammered President Bush daily - and weakened our country in the eyes of the enemy - they media has become an evil arm of all that seeks to destroy this country and our constitution.


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Cedar Cove Farm 6 years ago from Southern Missouri

Excellent article. Thaks for sharing. Prayers are out for all.


Bob Moore 6 years ago

How Cool! Thank your husband for us too! You are the real thing! We are so lucky to have Patriots like your family protecting us! Next step, Can The CIC!


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ehern33 6 years ago

I got chills up my back reading this. Your passion shows and I salute you for having to withstand all this. You have a brave family and I wish your son the best and that he comes home safely once again. His dedication (and your husbands) is what made America strong and proud and I for one will never forget. God Bless!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks ehem - wasn't that video just something else? I am so thankful that the American people still support our troops - thank God that tide hasn't turned!


sandra 6 years ago

Thank you for sharing your pain. You are correct. President Obama does not see or does not care to see past his so called health care bill. We saw normally healthy teenage children die in Texas from the Swine flu. The doctors were not allowed to give them the medicine to save them without loosing their license to practice. Yet Obama's children got the vaccine, so did he and his wife. Obama's health care bill is geared to kill all that are not able to work and give the government money via income tax. He has a death wish and all our boys/girls fighting to preserve the rights of others are unimportant to him. I will pray not only for your son but all that are fighting for freedom of persecuted individuals, even if he might come home to find ours gone. God Bless you and your family.


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drcrischasse 6 years ago from NH/Foxboro

Awesome stuff!!!


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joshdabamf 6 years ago from phoenix

i agree 100 percent with you your family has given alot to our country and polls and stats are showing that war vets are not finding jobs and are unemployed more than non vets im sure im not the only one who thinks this is a gross violation of our soldiers sacrifice we should be worried about jobs and the fact that obamas stimulus package failed i think any unemployment among our vets is unacceptable


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks a million for the supporting words joshdabamf. They just passed a 1.7 billion dollar "jobs creation bill" which by any other name is a "stimulus" bull - I mean - bill --- and it's just a load of ca ca because the other so-called "stimulus" bills were a bust! I'm betting very little if any went to our war veterans!


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James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

I thank you for this Hub and I thank your son for his service to our nation. As for Obama, I don't care for his ideas one bit. He is surely a Socialist. His ideas will ruin our great country.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

And I thank you in return for your comments James. The sad thing about our President is I really WANTED to like him - and in the very beginning - I had hopes that my "fears" about him were untrue. But once he took office - there was no doubt about his agenda - and like you - I believe he's the very least a President who wishes to promote socialist ideology - the worst - he is actually a Socialist.


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iowac 6 years ago from North Carolina

Many thanks to you and your family, and all our men and women in uniform. This President and the democraps are about to take us down a road I never thought I would see in this country. I have a Canadian friend and even he said he can not believe what he is seeing going on here and where we are headed.

Thank you for your article.. we all can only hope and pray and push to get our country back on track. We must stand together.


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philosotographer 6 years ago

Sounds like your just as obsessed over this matter as a president is over healthcare. Not being rude I do understand where you are coming from but you are passionate about this matter because of your son, you are directly effected by war. Have you put yourself in the shoes of someone that couldn't afford healthcare and lost their child because of it or lost everything else because of the debt they incurred? Insurance companies are just as much to blame for our down falling economy as president'S are for war. Ever seen the movie John Q? That was a passionate parent as well. My uncles 10 yr old son needed his gallbladder out, (emergency surgery)he had no insurance, a 25,000 dollar bill bankrupted my uncle he lost his home, and two cars while people were saying bush was obsessed with war.

Also I believe the majority that supported putting Mr. Obama in office are still the majority supporting his health care plan, to say the majority of the nation does not want it I believe is false after all it is moving forward for a reason. Rich people are against it and that is all.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Wow - where to begin. Please link for me to four national polls that shows the majority of Americans want this bill that was passed. This bill - by the way-- that neither the President nor the Democrats who voted for it have ever even read.

It's frightening that people like you want LAWS enacted that no one fully understands, nor will make for THEMSELVES.

Let's get to the topic of what the President SHOULD be doing. He is not only the President of ALL the people, his other official title is Commander in Chief, not Doctor in Chief, not Care-Taker of all who can not afford to pay their doctor's bills. He is NOT doing his job and that is to BE the Commander in Chief. So you're wrong. By his very title he should at least SHOW PUBLIC CONCERN for this war and our soldiers fighting it!

He has spent an obsessive amount of time on a health care bill he has lied to the American people about the contents of.

Your sad story about someone who can't pay for medical care is tragic. But I'm sorry - I have to ask, why didn't your Uncle have savings for just such an emergency? Why didn't your Uncle have insurance - you said his son's gallbladder surgery needed to be taken out by emergency surgery - so there were apparently no pre-existing conditions. He could have gotten insurance. Why do you believe that I or my husband or the guy down the street should pay your Uncle's medical bills? Why in the world do you believe that my husband's pay check should be siphoned off to pay for your Uncles's son's surgery? I'm not trying to be callous, but it's not the JOB of the American people in this country who work HARD for their hard earned money to pay for those less fortunate UNLESS THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO.

Your Uncle is a complete stranger to me. Instead - I prefer to give to the a local call for our community to give to a charity for a fallen female police officer. My husband and I gave money to that cause as well as the cans the church was asking the community to give to raise money for extended and special care for this woman who had a stroke. Why should the federal government and Mr. Obama TAKE our money so that we'll have less to give AS WE CHOOSE TO GIVE? I'm very sorry about your Uncle - I don't like to hear that anyone has suffered these kinds of things - but the Constitution was set up not for the government to take care of all the needy. Read it sometime. That's not what the Federal Government was designed to do. Find me where in the Constitution it tells us the Federal Government needs to provide every citizen with insurance or medical care?

My "obsession" isn't an "obsession" it's a logical observation about a President who isn't doing HIS JOB. Like it or not - he's not our Presidential Nurse in Chief or Nurse Maid in Chief. He's the Commander in Chief - and his leadership has been disgusting when it comes to the fact we are AT WAR - and he has showed ZERO leadership concerning this matter.

I'm not saying nothing should be done about health care or all Insurance companies are perfect. But the JOB of President Bush and President Obama is to PROTECT THIS COUNTRY when we are at war. They are the TOP man or woman of the military in that office. They are not the TOP DOCTOR.

What I am saying is - adults need to take on some personal responsibility. There's something called "catastrophic healthcare." I know about it because we got some for our daughter when her Michigan State University insurance ran out and her job's insurance wouldn't kick in for three months. We paid $500 for six months. If anything at all catastrophic happened to her - it was covered up to at least what your Uncle had to endure and beyond. He should have thought of that, scrimped and saved to buy it every six months - whatever it took to make sure he was covered for just such an emergency. It isn't right nor is it moral no less constitutional to force me or my husband or anyone else to have to pay for someone else to receive health care. That's not the way to fix what is wrong with our U.S. Health Care. I'm truly sorry for your Uncle's misfortune, but frankly - it's not up to you to force me to FIX his problem financially. This WILL be repealed and people with BRAINS will be elected to take care of those less fortunate regarding healthcare.

Which by the way - is the BEST in the world here in the U.S. until Obamacare came along.

There isn't a SINGLE example of Socialized medicine anywhere in the world you can find that isn't bankrupting the country it's a part of. To avoid total financial collapse, these countries DENY CARE! If your Uncle's son was 68 - he probably would have been denied surgery or died waiting for a bed to HAVE the surgery as many have in England for example. This country cannot sustain the debt that will be tripled nationally - nor can it pay for everyone's health care. IT CAN'T BE DONE!

You are sadly, sadly misguided and ill informed. Read the Constitution. Stop looking to the Government for your sustenance. Take personal responsibility for your life. The ONLY thing the government and our elected officials should do is protect our country from foreign and domestic enemies. And WHEN something is imposed upon the American people, it shouldn't be for any SPECIFIC GROUP. It should be for ALL Americans "UNIFORM" - See first paragraph of Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. I HAVE health insurance. I don't want my government to TAKE my money to pay for people who DON'T HAVE IT. This health care bill is for THE POOR. Because 90% of Americans are HAPPY WITH THEIR INSURANCE. Fix Medicare and Medicaid, don't tax me, tax the citizens to pay for those who can't afford it and appoint panels to tell my insurance company what they should do. Don't FORCE me - if I'm Donald Trump - to PAY for insurance I don't NEED OR WANT! This is unconstitutional!

This Obamacare will BANKRUPT this nation. THEN who is going to pay for your Uncle's healthcare? Who?

This Obamacare must be repealed or there won't be any country left to pay for anything!


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philosotographer 6 years ago

wow lots of percentages thrown around lol. I guess all I can say is that there are those of us willing to give more for the good of the whole and those who are content with what they have until by chance or fate they become a have not. Because you made such an unbelievable comment insisting the president and Democrats that voted for it never even read it simply, to me, discredits any opinion you could possibly have, you are simply repeating what you have heard By like minded opposers lol. I'd bet my life's earnings u couldn't accuse the president to his face sitting at the same table that he has never read something that would effect the entire nation. Since when are presidents only responsible for war and not other issues? From the moment I heard this man speak I told everyone he will be the next president, he will never take our guns away, he will serve 2 terms, he will take power away from the greedy pigs of the corporate world that are bleeding humanity to death that you clearly support. I told everyone y2k was a joke its clear what that money making hoax was about, I knew bush was leading us to war under false pretenses, which became clear. I dare to say most repubs are against Obama more than they should be because he is black and no one will convince me otherwise but that's another story. I'm sure you grew up Republican because your father did and I'm sure you are the same religion u were raised to be, my point is your beliefs have been influenced your whole life so it is not I who has been misinformed for I am and always will be an independent thinker. Fyi I have served the United States Army's infantry in Ft. Benning, GA. I would give my life to defend this nation, sad that I feel American insurance companies, doctors, banks are our biggest enemies, but you keep supporting them. Obama did not send your son to war.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thank you for your service to our country. But that doesn't mean you can't act like a jerk which I am afraid - you are acting like here in this forum.

Many of your assumptions about me are very wrong and your assumptions of how I obtain my information are wrong and you are SO way off about why I dislike the way President Obama is conducting himself as President.

Let me set you straight about something - I was raised by a racist of a father. I grew up hating him because he was such a tyrant and such an ignorant racist who was abusive to my mother. I wanted to be the opposite of him - to include my leaving my Catholic faith as soon as I got married just out of college. I thought - if this is being a "Christian" I don't want any part of it. Yes he was Republican - but as I said, I did the opposite of my father because he was a racist, mean man. So my upbringing isn't as you imagined it to be. My mother and grandmother had to work themselves nearly to death and raised me. We scraped to get by and the moment it was legal, I worked at age 16 and held one, two three or more jobs to put myself through college.

I didn't have. But I didn't hold out my hand and ask strangers to give to me. I didn't FORCE anyone to give to me either. I wish to CHOOSE who it is I GIVE my money to. Check the "giving" for Republicans verses Democrats or Conservatives verses Liberals. Your buddies give FAR less than those you make wrong assumptions about. My husband and I both give generously to not only charities directly out of his paycheck, but we give above and beyond that when we feel we should to those who need it. That's the way it SHOULD be. We should give WILLINGLY to the charities WE CHOOSE to give to or to the needy we CHOOSE to give to.

Back to your using the race card...

After a long search during my life - I found out that the Bible is the truth of God's Word and that Jesus Christ was the Savior and that when He died for our sins he died for what was inside our hearts. It has NOTHING to do with skin color or ethnicity. God looks at the heart, not skin. It's a senseless way to judge someone. Ignorance and either no knowledge of the Bible or a misinterpretation of the Bible leads to racism based on the color of anyone's skin. So take your "If you're a Republican you must be a racist" rant some place else. It won't wash here and it actually shows YOUR ignorance. What a stupid, knee jerk response to one column I've written. I DEFY you to find ONE SINGLE racist comment in ANYTHING I've EVER written for any publication or anywhere on these Hub pages no less this Hub. Prove your assertions or quite frankly stop writing here. You are rude (to say the very least) to even imply I'm a racist with ZERO facts to back yourself up. Typical of most of your argument when you really get down to it. And OH so typical of the left. They HAVE to cry racist whenever anyone criticizes this President. Good work! You are a lemming just like the rest of the left/progressives/Hijacked Democrats. Independent thinker? Don't flatter yourself. You're simply parroting what all the lame stream media talking heads are spouting. "Independent thinker?" LOL

I just finished "The Politician." Andrew Young, the author, was no "Republican Racist." You DO read, don't you? Sorry but you You sound awfully similar to him and Chris Matthews and Bill Mahar et al! You sound like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid when they immediately called those who rose up against this health care abomination as Nazis and racists. You're hardly an "independent thinker" Bub.

And I question whether or not you read because you obviously at least missed reading comprehension. When did I EVER say or imply that the President ONLY should be concerned with matters of war? It should be his PRIMARY job - it is his other TITLE so therefore in time of war he should make it his PRIMARY CONCERN. Please read what is written before you make comments about something you either didn't understand or didn't read correctly.

And go ahead - bet your life savings. You'd lose. I've been in the presence of some very powerful, influential people. I work for a celebrity and have met celebrities. I don't impress easily. And while I would pay the respect to President Obama of his office, I could very easily claim that I believed he did not read the health care bill within 72 hours of it having been written before it was made into law. In fact if I were a betting woman, I'd bet he didn't and I know I'd win. Again, are you kidding? Do you TRULY believe that the moment the Dems finished that thing behind closed doors they whisked it off to President Obama who speed read 3000 pages of it and comprehend the entire thing all while he was making those speeches and flying here and there? Man are you ever naive. I'm being polite here.

You talking points are taken out of liberal 101. You are hardly an "independent thinker". "greedy pigs of the corporate world." Oh my gosh - that's straight out of the Huffington Post! You need to read the Wall Street Journal and realize that while there are corrupt corporations and individuals who run them, there are far, FAR more corrupt and greedy liberal Democrats. You want to talk "hoax" - let's go down the "Sky is falling" Al Gore hoax and his billions he made off of that one. And remember - President Obama came from Chicago - one of THE most corrupt cities in the world. When you lay down with dogs, you get fleas as they say...

Lastly - please get back to what I asked you managed to avoid by making false accusations about me. Answer my questions. Why didn't your Uncle have catastrophic insurance before his son needed emergency surgery?

And what is also truly laughable is that you believe the Democrats, behind closed doors, changing and adding and deleting a 3000 page document they made into law actually READ the final bill before voting on it. Are you joking? Honestly, do you mean to say that even MOST of them not only read it, but sat down with a lawyer and STUDIED it before they voted on the thing as they should have? I WATCHED Pelosi herself say this gem: “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

It's nice you fancy yourself an "Independent Thinker" but what about being an informed one? No offense, but how did you not KNOW she said this? Here is a non-primary source link to it but I saw her on the news saying precisely what they quote her saying in this article: http://www.cc.org/blog/pelosi_says_they_must_pass_...

And according to several news sources, MOST who signed the bill didn't read it - only one is a primary source because it's a video.

: http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACbwND52rrw


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Interesting - my response to philosostopher was met with the sound of crickets. He makes his assertions, no links to back himself up. He plays the race card, and is astounded I would deem to think our Congressmen and women and Senators didn't read the health care bill. So astounded, the fact that I would say such a thing discredited anything else I'd have to write in his opinion. I show him PROOF that Nancy Pelosi herself said she didn't read the health care bill - and still nothing. This is the problem with liberals - when they are shown the truth, backed with facts, they have to run. Bless their deceived hearts.


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philosotographer 6 years ago

lol sorry I dont have all the time in the world to respond immediately to hubpages.

truth is you said if this is christian then I don't want any part of it, but you are still christian, cause you were raised to be, catholics believe in jesus to, if you turned into a buddhist then I'd believe you were trying to be opposite of your dad. lol and your still republican like your father was...and his racist values rubbed off on you wether you liked it or not to an extent. you know in your heart what i mean. And yes Most Repubs are racist, thats why the majority of repubs are white people, no knee jerk there :) Im from Idaho and repubs here don't even really try to hide it lol

you found that the truth of gods word was in the bible, you mean the same bible that has been involved in millions of murders throughout history in the name of the lord?? lol I'm sure the word of god is in there lol your just irrational in your beliefs. whites have always believed in the bible even while lynching and burning innocent people randomly, but they were christian. saying your christian doesn't mean anything to me sorry. I am more rational than you i promise :)

I just happen to see that this health care reform will help more than it will hurt. I don't feel sorry for the rich people that will have to pay a little bit more, you act like it's going to break you or something lol I'm sure you pay more on your cosmetics and dinner and a movie nights, don't worry it's helping people that are less fortunate than you. just give up your mary k... wwjd?

your comment here "He is not only the President of ALL the people, his other official title is Commander in Chief, not Doctor in Chief, not Care-Taker of all who can not afford to pay their doctor's bills. He is NOT doing his job and that is to BE the Commander in Chief" and here "But the JOB of President Bush and President Obama is to PROTECT THIS COUNTRY when we are at war. They are the TOP man or woman of the military in that office. They are not the TOP DOCTOR." these comments are why I assumed you were implying that presidents should only be in charge of war, leave the rest to doctors and nurses. That was my COMPREHENSION of it. you think Obama should just take over where bush left off being a war pig? once again Obama did not send your son to war...OBAMA DID NOT SEND YOUR SON TO WAR...BUSH DID BUSH DID BUSH DID. Bush created these problems, not the black guy lol

to call me a lemming is like calling yourself christian. I don't believe in fairy tales nor do i follow any crowd, we have proof you do miss christian republican. You proved my point simply by admitting your father was a racist republican thats too funny, your still christian and republican, catholic christian mormon they all play the same game just different team names.

arguing over whether there are more greedy pigs as liberal democrats vs brainwashed republicans is just asinine lol

yes al gore made piles of cash off educating the public about global warming, its better than making piles off y2k and weapons of mass destruction b.s. Global warming is obvious anyone with opened eyes can see the physical effects of this planet. sounds like you disagree tho, typical of people who would rather make an evangelist scam artist rich over someone trying to help mother nature. Go ahead give your money to your church, instead of something that will actually accomplish something. Religion leads to confusion, confusion leads to extremism, extremism leads to terrorism, all religions are guilty of this and you happen to support one of them. But you don't wanna help the insurance reform??? sounds like your heart is not with Jesus, Money is more important. It's all about money...

This is why I am happy, "In my mind I am truly the richest man in the world, I know no greed because I have everything that I could not live without, I know no envy because I could never give up or trade what I already have" and I don't have a lot of money believe me, but that comes from my heart. Thats why I could be flat broke but still want to help as many as I can. you choose your charities with a prejudice lol.

I have 5 children and they have pure hearts, I'm not clouding their judgement with stories from a book, a book responsible for more death than anything, but your beliefs are better than mine :) my heart has never been deceived I thank my parents for that :) religion deceives hearts. Dont get me wrong I believe in a creator but not what man has told me I should believe while he molests a little boy in his bedroom

my uncle didn't have catastrophic coverage cause he barely had enough money to buy mary k for his wife lol and sunny delight for his 4 children.

heres my thoughts on pelosi and obama lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1mTjWg-gh4&feature...

Oh and you cannot hear crickets on the internet.

the foundation of your beliefs have been handed down for generation after generation, they may have been diluted and tweaked some but they are still more jacked up than the foundations of my beliefs. go read your bible and close your eyes to fact that millions suffer without insurance, not all of them are pieces of crap, i promise. Did Jesus discriminate? or was it just the people that murdered him?


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philosotographer 6 years ago

Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all." last I checked servants aren't rich, Jesus was the richest man in the world, and had no money... and to think I'm not even religious and I understand what Jesus was all about. And I do love him for that :) Health care reform if goes the way it should, it will stop greedy insurance companies with there extremely rich CEO's, and doctors from taking advantage of the less fortunate...we are here because of them. Bernie Maddoffs everywhere, "Greed and Envy will kill you before you die"


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

If you were a Christian and studied the Bible you would know that the individual must take personal responsibility for their actions and for that matter - inactions. If I DIDN'T give to the poor, or needy - if I don't give to "the least of these" as Jesus pointed out - then I would stand before Him someday judged. And Jesus wouldn't be pleased. Trust me - if Christians don't give of what they have, especially their abundance - which is God-given in the first place - then they're not acting like a good Christian.

I have an INDIVIDUAL responsibility to give of what I have and take a portion and give to those less fortunate. Until this health care bill, I would have had MORE to give to the poor, now I'm going to have to save far more because if this health care bill can't be reformed, the country will go bankrupt. I don't understand how you can't know this! It's simple math - this country's deficit has tripled in one year under the Obama administration and will grow much, much larger when this bill truly is enacted. Our country can NOT sustain just some of the things this health care bill will demand of our weak economy no less all of what is demanded. We are not producing enough tax dollars to cover 1/2 of what they are proposing. It was front page news of the Wall Street Journal - AT&T will have to come up with 1 billion dollars in order to comply with this health care bill. Now I know you hate these big bad companies. But do you hate the tens of thousands of people who work for AT&T? How do you think John Deere - 150 million, Caterpillar 100 million, 3M $85-90 million, AK Steel and Holdings 31 million are going to come up with this coin? Think they're going to go out and hire a whole bunch of people? Think their rates might go up? Think they might LAY OFF some people? So while you THINK that every single American is going to have this wonderful "free" health care - you need to think again. This country is going to tank and tank fast unless the federal bill is repealed and repealed fast and a bill with SANITY in it is started up from scratch.

Anywhere this type of health care has been implemented, it has failed. If you are such an independent thinker - aren't you aware that nowhere in the world has socialized medicine done anything other than fail and break the economy of the country that implements it? If it doesn't work anywhere else, what in the world makes you think this bill our lawmakers don't even know the CONTENTS OF is going to solve our health care problems?

Jesus never, ever, ever taught "Look to Caesar for your sustenance."He said "Render under to Caesar what is Caesar's." So He said we did have to obey the tax rules. However, Jesus taught that we are to look first to the Kingdom of God, then all of these things would be added to us. Jesus never taught us that any government was supposed to take care of us. Never. He in fact said, "The poor will always be with you..." It is impossible to make the world rich. It is impossible to give the world health care. He never told us to look to any government for anything quite frankly. But He did tell us that we are to take care of our neighbor, as individuals, as a family, in our local community. Never via the government.

The Health Care bill - as it is - isn't actually that much about health care anyway. Mark these words - all the poor will not have health care in a year or 10 or 20 with this health care bill. Those who rammed it through didn't even read it and/or comprehend the final bill that they signed. THE LAWMAKERS don't even know what is in it. And slowly, day by day, we're seeing that this bill was more about "distribution of wealth" than it was about helping the poor who don't have health care.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some sort of safety net for the TRULY poor - or those in need of health care - or that the Insurance companies are lovely. I hate insurance companies for the most part. But this particular health care bill is NOT going to fix anything. The EXACT model for it was implemented in Mass. under Governor Romney - a class A DOPE (lest you think I'm a die-in-the-wool Republican - I'm not. I don't vote straight party line.) Within months EVERYONE'S premiums went up 30-50% - health care is in a shambles there. Don't take my word for it - go research this for yourself. The Mass. health care reform was one of the models they used for this federal bill. It's a disaster.

I'm not saying that there isn't something that needs to be done about health care - the fact is - people use the emergency room as a doctor visit, then they don't pay and then all of us end up paying ultimately. It needs to be fixed - you and I do not disagree on that. What we totally disagree on is the actual bill that was recently signed.

Do you know that in Texas - in one county - a hospital was paying over $100 million dollars A YEAR in malpractice fees and then tort reform was instituted and when the fees came down to $3 million annually - the hospital was able to offer better care, they were able to do more research and overall the hospital is thriving and patients are receiving much better care.

Tort reform isn't anywhere in that bill. Why? Your buddy President Obama and all of his lawyer friends made a deal. No cap on how much money they can make off of malpractice suits. Do you HONESTLY believe that this bill was produced for altruistic reasons? If it was, why didn't the ones who designed it MAKE IT APPLY TO THEMSELVES. If it's SO wonderful and it's SUCH a fantastic way to have our health care in this country, why are THEY EXEMPT FROM IT?

The challenges to the constitution ALONE are going to make the lawyers rich beyond measure - and Obama's cronies are mostly lawyers. Why don't you have a beef with them too?

What about opening up the ability to buy insurance nation wide? Competition always ALWAYS brings the prices down for the consumer. Right now - we have to stay within the state - thus, less competition, thus the cost can remain uncompetitive/i.e. higher.

What about FIXING Medicare and Medicaid and truly go after those bilking the system to the tune of BILLIONS per year? There was a lot of lip service for that but where in the bill is there going to be an actual clean-up of corruption of these existing government programs that are going bankrupt?

There are a few good things in the bill - children can stay on parent's insurance until age 26 - can't be turned away with pre-existing conditions - but only a few. This bill was more about redistribution of the wealth than actually helping people with their health care. I guarantee - in 5 years there will still be millions that won't have health care and one of the reasons that will happen is there will be so many people out of work. When people are out of work, they're not going to be paying taxes. Without paying taxes, there can't be any money for this health care bill. RAISING taxes will CUT jobs and hurt small businesses - they won't hire. If businesses aren't thriving, that means they aren't hiring. If no one has a job, they're not shopping. Are you getting the trend here? Yet this bill won't even go into affect for 5-6 years YET our TAXES will be raised IN ADVANCE to pay for it! No benefits, higher taxes in an already crippled economy, with a massive unsustainable national debt that will in the least quadruple, and unemployment in the double digits and getting worse. How can this massive thing be paid for?

Lastly - I want you to get back to your uncle. You brought him up - and yet still refuse to answer my questions about him. To recap - his son needed emergency surgery - the medical bills bankrupted him. Yet you believe my husband should share in helping to bail out your uncle. My husband who was in Iraq for a year 2008-2009 should take some of the money he risked his butt for - literally - to help pay for your uncle's medical insurance. Why in the world do you believe something like that? Why don't you afford my husband the RIGHT to take his hard-earned money and give to the charity or person with a medical need (as we did with the female officer) of HIS choosing?

You then also believe my neighbor - two doors down -


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philosotographer 6 years ago

well in closing I am tired of arguing back and forth with people who claim to be christian and live nothing like Jesus. "Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You're thinking of Jesus." John Fugelsang. and this is why I do in fact LOVE Bill Maher :) enjoy!! http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10835695... enjoy your "rights" and your cosmetics.


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Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

cjv,

A wonderful writing, as usual. Your family is very special, and I'm glad the Red Wings honored Mark.

I'm sorry you have to put up with the comment of people like philosotographer. I understand he speaks for Jesus (his Hebrew is not good), and you must be the devil. Some people will never get it. Please don't write me phil.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Oh not to worry Harvey. Ole Philosotographer claims to be so much more rational than I am - yet his writings speak volumes without my actually having to challenge him. Talk about irrational. He makes baseless emotional assumptions and even when faced with the facts won't admit he's wrong. Just goes into a personal attack. Nothing to back what they parrot. He actually believes in Global Warming! ROTFL! Talk about a fairy tale! The very proponents, the scientists who CREATED the myth admitted they fudged the numbers because the planet is COOLING. He calls MY religion a bunch of fairy tales.

And don't let that nonsense about his being "rich" fool you. I knew someone dirt poor who wanted free health care. When push came to shove he WAS envious of anyone who worked for a living and worked hard to provide for their family not expecting hand-outs. It was revealed in an argument we had.

And living in a fairy land expecting this health care isn't going to cost ALL of us, to include the middle and lower class is living without a brain. He obviously never read a page of the Wall Street Journal or anything other than Huffington Post and listen to trash T.V. like the Bill Maher show. Now THERE'S some intellectual fare. I just feel very deeply sorry for his children being taught by someone so prejudice and hateful.


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garynew 6 years ago from Dallas, TX and Sampran, Thailand

Thank you for an intelligent hub. It's so sad that war is more a business matter than of "taking care of business" regardless of who is in office. If we MUST have a Democrat as President, let's have another Truman, who knew how to end war!


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christalluna1124 6 years ago from Dallas Texas

Sorry I have to agree with Philos. There is no draft anymore so anyone who is serving in the military now chose to do so by their own accord. President Obama did not start this war, just left to clean up the remaining mess left by bush, who is living the good life here in Dallas. Healthcare is important. Are you actually insinuating that your sons life is worth more than Philos uncles son simply by reason of you having money to buy health insurance. That is exactly the reason healthcare reform was needed. As for savings it has been impossible to save money in the past eight years of bushisim...I think the title of Worst Commander in chief has to be reserved for Bush. He stood on the destroyer and told Iraq to bring it...okay they brought it...we're still there. President Obama didn't make this mess. We have blamed him for everything except world hunger,guess that comes later. Even though all of the men and women serving should be honored ( I also have three nephews and two nieces serving in Iraq with spouses and small children waiting for them) I can't blame the President, it was a choice they made from their hearts.

Regards,

Chris


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rkhyclak 6 years ago from Ohio

Hi CJV, I only just found your hub in the "Related Hubs" area when reading another. The title caught my attention-and I'm so glad that it did!

Your writing is passionate, heartfelt and 100% true. I read through the comments as well-I've been arguing for 2 weeks about the health care bill in one of my hubs and finally told them both to not come back. It got to the point of me being accused of being a bad American and another questioning my "love of humanity" and questioning me as a nurse because I do not support that God-awful bill.

Anyway, thanks for this wonderful hub and an even bigger "thank you" to your son and husband. I'll be praying for your son and his/ the Stryker Brigade's safety. In the end, God will sort it all out-no more war, no more dying, no more inequities. Until then, we can only live as we're taught and offer up our prayers!


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thank rkhycak - I had to step back a bit because I just want to launch on these poor, poor ignorant fools! Like the comment above yours, I mean, how do you answer such drivel? Bush said to "bring it"??! So they "brought it". Bush was on the Aircraft Carrier the Abraham Lincoln. He NEVER SAID, "Mission Accomplished." No less what chrystalluna quoted. A banner PUT UP BY THE NAVY said it. President Bush never said any such thing.

She can't even get the quote right - if she did a little homework - something liberals want the government to do for them - she would have known that. What is so frustrating is that these ignorant people VOTE!

Sigh... Jesus better come back soon...take me away!!!!

Thank you so much for stopping by! I'll send this and hop on over to your blog and "sign up" so I can know when you write new Hubs.


Stacy 3 years ago

Very interesting. All I have to say, is the blame game is a hard one and I wouldn't have the presidents job for nothing. Truth be it told no matter what happens who is in office or any of that. What's going to happen will. Healthcare is hard....I am middle class, our family works hard, we pay taxes, we pay several thousand for healthcare every year. Neither candidate touched how to fix my heath care problems. As far as military goes, when people enlist in the service you take an oath, you also make the choice to enlist. So, this is the choice your love one made, freely. That is what we are about right? Freedom, as far as worst president ever, I don't think so. I can think of a few that were pretty bad and in today's world would never have even been allowed to run. Such atrocities of the past are sometime forgotten. Worst president, nah, not the best. In four years when we have a new one I am sure he will get the same stuff this one gets. And for you to calling names, it shows your character. Oh, thank you for having a wonderful son and a good husband. I sleep at night, knowing that we are protected by those that would die for me and have never met me, to make sure I am free to write this post. Thank you for them, but blame is hard and your comments about someone's health care. I hope you never find yourself on the other side of you high horse. Because sometimes life's circumstances are not as cut and dry as , those people, sometimes those people are just people going through a tough time. I think it's funny, your son and hubby are willing to die for the rights for millions of people they will never know, but you fight hard and passionately against helping someone you will never know. Btw I'm sure the world will still be here in 4 years. Unless god comes.


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cjv123 3 years ago from Michigan Author

I am not on my high horse although I can definitely sound that way sometimes and I'm wrong to do it. You do work hard for your health care I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say I'm on my high horse. Can you be more specific?

Yes, he is the worst President ever, and if you think Obama's health care bill is going to help you and your difficulty with health care, you really need to think again. First of all - the "30 million" without health care, even when and if Obamacare is fully enacted would never have covered even a 1/3 of all of those without healthcare entirely.

47 million more people are on welfare than when he took office.

Our unemployment is the worst in over 40 years, and it was better in 2008 than when he took office. It has RISEN since he took office.

Our deficit was in the billions when he took office and is now in double digit trillions. He PROMISED to cut it in HALF.

Unrest in the Middle East has rarely been more volitle since he took office.

Iran now has nuclear weapons capabilities and didn't prior to him taking office.

More women are unemployed than when he took office.

Most transparent? He's the LEAST transparent and most corrupt do-nothing President we have ever had. He makes Nixon look like a choir boy.

He promised to help finnancially strapped unemployed and others who needed to withdraw from their 401K's to avoid penalities and heavy taxation. He didn't keep that promose.

His promise for "no jobs for lobbyists' was a lie - he gave a boat-load of jobs to lobbyists.

No earmarks he promised - there were at least eight ear marks in just his first stimulous bill.

Under his administration - as of this writing on Nov. 15, 2012 we have had two terrorist attacks on U.S. soil in less than four years of him in office - almost 20 lives were lost in the two attacks under Obama. After 9/11 in the rest of the eight years of Bush's term, not ONE attack on American soil took place.

Mr. "I'm going to end the war" President has had more loss of military life in his less than four years than all the years of the Bush administration combined.

The list goes on and on and on. And I'm not even making the list comprehensive. He WILL go down as the worst President in history, but I didn't vote for him - and when this country's economy tanks - he was be history's worst world leader EVER.


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Caleb DRC 2 years ago

Oh he is not the worst at everything. He is the best president we have ever had to lead this nation toward tyranny, poverty, dependence and mediocrity.

I would like to see all 133( at the time of this writing) of hubs on your profile. This is how you do it:

1. Go to your profile, and click "edit profile." 2. Scroll all the way down to "Show only featured hubs on my profile," and click "NO". 3. Go down to "Save changes", and click that. After you do that all your hubs will be on your profile.

I will follow this hub's comments, so if you have any trouble then let me know and we will get them solved.


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cjv123 2 years ago from Michigan Author

How nice of you Caleb. Thanks for the hint. I'll try that. I had no idea since I only come back to Hubpages these days when I have comments. Check out www.carolspieceofmind.com where Patriots speak their mind. I don't write politically (much) any more but others on my website do. BTW your comments are SPOT ON!

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