This Is A Problem - Racism In America

The Black Equivalent To The KKK

It isn't often that I would choose to write about this subject but believe that the time has come. Since the election of Barack Hussein Obama, rather than move forward on this issue, the nation has taken too many backward steps. I never find it amusing when anyone accuses me of being a racist because I vehemently disagree with Obama's policies or lack of sane ones. I am prejudiced but that only applies to ignorant people and yes, they do come in a variety of colors. Having spent 23 years in the US Army, a place where racism is not tolerated in any form, I see everyone as green - the color of the uniform.

I have seen several disturbing videos lately and first I will share one with you so we can gain a point of reference for the rest of the discussion. Listen very closely to what is being said here as it is seditious. Not only is it seditious but the present administration doesn't appear to want to do anything about this totally "uncivil" discourse.

Sedition? I Think So...

Now if the Ku Klux Klan came out with this sort of video, I am almost certain that Eric Holder would be on the war path. It amazes me that this is allowed to continue and go unchecked. Freedom of speech is one thing but sedition is sedition no matter the color of the people advocating it. Now granted that not all black people are in this movement but there is a danger of a coming race war by the agitators and race baiters who have stepped forward the last three years. There seems to be little resistance, if any, from this administration to squelch this. That seemed to have started when Eric Holder refused to prosecute the two members of the NBPP who were dressed in battle dress with night sticks outside a Philadelphia polling place in 2008. That is just outright intimidation and nothing was done about it, other than to dismiss the charges. Questionable? Surely so.

If Obama wants to "change" something this is one of the things that need to change before we do indeed face racial strife in our nation as never seen before. The New Black Panther Party advocates black supremacy, the destruction of capitalism, the intense hatred of white people and the Islamic faith. They, in effect, are the black version of the Ku Klux Klan.

So lets watch this next video and then someone can maybe explain to us why the Department of Justice, under the leadership of one Eric Holder, has again done nothing.

Listen Closely

Since when does placing a bounty on anyone's head equate to anything other than the promotion of lawlessness? It's vigilante justice in its ugliest form. If you go to You Tube and put in "The New Black Panther Party," as I did, and watch some of what is being broadcast it should make you wonder about what is considered seditious speech and what falls in the realm of the First Amendment. Maybe the First Amendment doesn't mean much to this administration but it does to me, especially when it is advocating race warfare and blood in the streets. Taking matters in your own hands rather than letting the justice system run its course is vigilante justice. Is that okay with our Attorney General?

The man you heard on the first video goes by the name of Chawn Kweli. He is the national spokesperson for the NBPP. He seemed to be threatening the nation with a race revolution with bloodshed if I heard him correctly. Is that okay with Eric Holder? Is it okay with Barack Obama in light of the fact that he himself is intent on waging class warfare in order to be re-elected. Can anyone, besides me, see how allowing such dangerous speech and ignoring it lead to something that this nation doesn't need? Why isn't Obama speaking out other than saying if he had a son he would look like Trayvon Martin. If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump his butt when he hopped too.

Let me remind you that Obama sat in the church of hate monger Jeremiah Wright for 20 years yet according to him he didn't hear a word the Pastor said. Jeremiah recently surfaced in the news too. In West Virginia he recently went on another rant about white people. Something about Jesus Christ being a non-European who was crucified by the Eurpoean (read - white) Pontius Pilate. Talk about spinning the Bible. Good grief. But Obama never heard a word when Wright advocated the "redistribution of wealth." Of course he did. Take a listen to the video Barack claims he slept through. I'm sure his wife wouldn't allow that to happen since she was there with him.

So He Didn't Hear A Word Huh?

There should be no doubt where Obama got his disdain for "rich, white people." There should be no doubt where that type of class warfare got ingrained into Obama to his very core. The other thing I know is that no one I know could sleep through a diatribe when Wright's gets on his racist rant pulpit. Facts speak to the lie. Wright baptised the Obama's daughters. He married Barak and Michelle. He was his spiritual adviser for 20 long years until Obama threw him under the bus for political expediency's sake.

Someone could easily hand Jeremiah Wright a set of fatigues and a beret and he'd fit right in with the New Black Panther Party. In his own words this is what he said about Barack Obama hearing his sermons:

“I’ve been preaching the same way since I was licensed to preach in 1959, ordained in 1967. Barack was in elementary school when I was ordained. CBS, ABC, MSNBC and Fox News spent $4,000 each buying 20 years of my sermons so they could hear what Barack Obama heard for 20 years.”

None of what we are seeing bodes well for this nation. The likes of race baiter like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright in the name of righting wrongs done centuries ago. Let me drop Louis Farrakhan's name into the mix. How can their behavior be so embraced by the liberal Lame Stream Media and the behavior of the NBPP be ignored or touted as a noble cause?

When Obama was elected it was supposed to be the coming of a "post racial" America. I'm not seeing that at all. It appears that the car was jammed into reverse. Countries in Europe have been torn apart along racial lines, literally torn apart. We don't need tribalism in this country and that is what we seem to seeing developing. When black on black crime and murder are largely ignored by the Lame Stream Media and white on black crime is sensationalized doesn't it make even a liberal wonder what is going on and where it can lead?

I'm just askin...

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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halfcord 4 years ago

NO-Bama will have nothing to do with stopping any racial upheaval. The more the better! He is looking for a reason to declare Martial Law and THIS is just the vehicle he is waiting on. Martial Law will stop November from running his sorry carcass out of town with a 50 state mandate to "Hit the road, Jack**"!


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

halfcord - He can declare it and we can ignore it.

The Frog


Stu 4 years ago

Well done as usual Frog. Under Obama, we are living in a world of reverse discrimination. White on black crime is sensationalized, and black on white crime is often not even investigated by the appropropriate prosecutor. The NBP calls for "ending capitalism" are just deflections; the only real solution is equal justice under the law and in society. Yes, our nation has a bloody history of racism. But two wrongs don't make a right. I can only say to the KKK and NBP, be careful about what you wish for, because you might get it. Whip up enough frenzy and group irrationality takes over with a mind all its own. Blind rage replaces thought, and civil society turns into anarchy. In the end, nobody benefits.


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b. Malin 4 years ago

That was one very scary Video, or two...What is happening to EVERYONE? We never looked at each other with this much Hatred...Your Hub is a must read, and think about, ,and discuss Frog Man. Wake up America, ask questions. I fear what is happening or about to happen throughout our Country, we Proudly call, America!


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metzde 4 years ago from Chester,Va.

Great article! This just another example of the double standard that has been prevalent for years. Good people who discuss this subject are called " racist ". Instead of entering into a calm ,peaceful discussion, all we hear about is how whites are not doing enough for them!

Eric Holder is a joke-he only gets involved if it benefits the administration,then,he claims total ignorance about "Fast and furious". Nothing will change until we vote in a new administration that treats all Americans the same and champions personal responsibility,equal opportunity,and equal protection under the law.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I have noticed this same downward spiral. Since Obama was elected, the division of this country has proceeded at an alarming pace. We were re-united on 911 and as soon as Obama took office, he started trying to divide us. The blacks are now against the whites, the poor against the rich and the liberal/conservative conflicts have become legend. Those who are illegally in our country have decided we want to keep them poor and oppressed, while all we really want is that they come legally. None of this is good. The only way we can make our country great is to keep united and strongly in favor of doing what is right.

Your sentiments are wonderfully expressed, as usual.


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SpanStar 4 years ago

This president which was elected has been publicly disrespected, hated, criticized for almost anything he does even your comment over recognizing him as Obama Hussein demonstrates disrespect and there are those who wonder why he doesn't take action?

Everyone knows that the Black Panther Party is a radical group such as the Ku Klux Klan. The conditions of America lends themselves to the creation of organizations such as the Black Panther Party. Racism never died in America so even though it would appear racism isn't as big an issue as it really is under the surface the same old hatred is just waiting to show itself. Through the years it seems as though nothing ever changes when it comes to race and unfortunately racial hatred is not something people can't easily wash away so because we tolerate racism so to speak we create people who decide to fight against the evils of racism.

I'm not certain what military service you were in but as a Vietnam veteran it absolutely was racism in the military and especially overseas. Because of racial hatred in another company the weapons we needed to protect ourselves in a combat zone were taken away from us for a period of time due to some racial activity in another company. A racial incident did happen to occur in the company I was in. It got to the point where the white soldiers grabbed their rifles and the black soldiers grabbed their rifles if this situation had not been quelled there would have been so many body bags and not from the enemy but from each other how sad is that!

We talk about what others ought to be doing but what are we doing? Are we making an effort to get out there and change attitudes? Or are we sitting around wallowing in our hate waiting for the next episode so that they can explode?


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - I respect the "office" of the POTUS. I have no respect for Obama as a leader because he isn't one. Any criticism Obama receives he has brought upon himself.

I retired after 23 years in 1992. Do the math.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

The Frog

Having been in the military you understand protocol and procedures. Clearly we have both ran into officers, sergeants. which we did not care for but knowing that we still understood they were our superior officers and we were to give them the respect due their rank, position, office.


Stu 4 years ago

Span,

Frog is right. You can respect the office, but the incumbent is only worthy of respect if he earns it. Obama is a serial Constitution breaker and shirker of affirmative duty. He is spending us into oblivion. He is antithetical to free markets. He has absolute disdain for our Constitution, and behaves like a dictator. Based on his own admission that Barack Obama Sr. is his natural father, he can't be eligible for POTUS, because this requires two citizen parents (the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution pertaining to the President and Vice President), and Obama Sr. never naturalized.

Were I to be invited to the WH, I wouldn't go. If I was forced to go, I would address him as "Mr. Obama," not "President Obama," as I am 99% certain he is not a natural born US citizen. I am a Photoshop expert with over ten years experience, and have extensively examined the long form download from the WH web site. I absolutely guarantee it is a forgery. Further proof has come out that his Selective Service card is a forgery. Additionally, he possesses a Social Security Number from a state he never lived in. And he spent $2 million in lawyer's fees to seal all his pre-Chicago era bona fides. Does this sound like a man worthy of respect?

Stu


Lynn S. Murphy 4 years ago

It's all very scary and approved and encouraged by Obama and his regime. I am baffled that people don't see this for what it is. However, as it is with all extemes they are blinded by and closed minded, which is sad..


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SpanStar 4 years ago

Freedom gives us choices and thought their were a number of people in the White House I would haven't given them the time of day on the street even with my dislike for those particlular presidents I still would honor the position they held-but that's just me.

Perhaps right Lynn maybe I'm just waisting my time.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Span Star - I think I pointed out that I respect the office but not Obama. So explain why he denies hearing Wright? Or that he is ignoring, along with his AG, the statements in the video above? Or maybe you didn't listen to them? I have no respect for a racist no matter what color they are.

The Frog


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

In the America we used to know military officers and the President earned respect and usually got it by virtue of the character they display on their way up the ladder, not by fiat like in a dictatorship... This is no longer that America when liars plot against the constitution, lie and exhort upon their constituents despicable double standards based on false ideology. If anyone has shown disrespect to the office of President it is not discerning voters but the "LIAR in Cheif" himself President Barack (who is sane?) Obama.


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SpanStar 4 years ago

Question:

In what presidency were there never any lies?


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TToombs08 4 years ago from Somewhere between Heaven and Hell without a road map.

Frog Prince - wow. Thank you for stimulating my brain and giving me some things to think about.


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

Frog Prince: As I read your hub all I saw was another hate monger seizing on an opportunity to spread fear and upset among the public. The truth is that you have no idea as to what Obama, Holder or other officials are or are not doing about hate groups such as the Black Panthers, and you are assuming that ALL black people will follow their lead.

I had an incident awhile back where a white supremecist group sent me serious hate mail. I contacted the authorities and here's what they said: They can say what they want, and threaten what they want...this is not illegal. However, if they threaten to kill or injure YOU personally, then we can go after them. This was long before Obama ever took office. Furthermore, ALL hate groups are carefully monitored by groups such as the Anti Defamation League, and these groups make sure the authorities know which groups are capable of taking action and which are just a bunch of big mouths.

Writing an article like this puts you squarely in the middle of spreading fear and hatred. You may think you know what you're talking about, but you really do not...all you are mouthing are your personal feelings, which I don't like but will always respect your right to do...and oh yes...those horrible groups you're talking about...they have the same rights as you, whether you like it or not. I don't like them either, but I understand how things work in this country and can tell you that you are totally off the charts with this hub. It's typical of the work put out there by Obama haters and is so obvious that I could tell what it was all about shortly after beginning the read. Shame on you.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Thanks for demonstrating a problem SpanStar People like you don't recognize the difference between a lie and pathological liars, deceivers out of touch with reality who actually believe that rational human beings believe their lies. People like you look at mountains and try to make a comparison to a mole hill. There is no comparison between this LIAR and most other presidents.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

TIME TRAVELER - YAWN! So you don't like to read and see the truth. What right I DO NOT have is to incite sedition. Get it? Probably not.

You, as usual, are in the minority of readers. Oh well...

The Frog


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Same old same old Frog When they are told the truth and can not win the discussion they result to calling those who simply tell it as it is hate mongers, or racists or some other contrived straw man to divert attention from the facts - truth is if you have no idea as to what Obama, Holder or other officials are or are not doing about hate groups such as the Black Panthers then neither does he - oh except for the fact he is an elitist and they know everything - shame on you Frog for being a hate mongerer. If you come up with more editorials I'm sure you will be called a racist and a woman hater and want to poison the water and push granny in a wheel chair off a cliff - yeah we have their number don't we - same old playbook!


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Alastar Packer 4 years ago from North Carolina

You've got a hot one here Frog. Racial Balkanization comes to mind after reading and viewing this disturbing one. Can only hope concord and right thinking will prevail over the sucking vortex of discord and wrong thinking. And to once again quote the words of the venerable Cherokee wise man Attukullakulla: " As we all live in one land, let us all live as one people."


Gusser 4 years ago

It appears another Civil War is about to happen. The 2012 election will be cancelled due to martial law being declared. This was the plan since 2008.


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

Excellent hub about a subject that needs to be talked about. It has been very clear from day one that Obama is a hostile guy with a major chip on his shoulder. He didn't come to Washington to fix anything. As for Holder he is a racist and a very dangerous guy, as well. It is really ironic that despite the fact that we have the first black president in our history, the issue of race is alive and well. We have Obama and Holder to thank for that. Up interesting and awesome.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Gusser - my thoughts exactly and I've said it since 2008 - this cabal has waited 50 years to get in power and if it looks like they are going to lose the election as it nears I believe they will do anything to keep it - I just hope my instincts are proven wrong.


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metzde 4 years ago from Chester,Va.

HOLDER SUCKS! He has done nothing to protect the US from immigration problems and only attacks groups that the Obama administration disagrees with.


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

tsadjatko: I noticed Frog Prince fluffed me off but did not respond with any factual information. Videos are not factual information. How about something from Snopes, Factcheck or Politifact??

People who purposely spread fear with unsubstantiated information ARE hateful people. But I have come to realize that once people's minds are set, the truth is not allowed entrance. I do, however, wonder what Frog Prince would say if he couldn't hide behind a false name and was asked by the FBI to express what he's expressed here. When you start inciting race wars, YOU become the dangerous person.


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Skarlet 4 years ago from California

Another great hub by The Frog. I have frequently been called racist for not voting Obama. It really makes me sick that The Black Panthers are given some kind of respect for being racist. @metzde-you are right Holder SUCKS!


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

TIME TRAVELER - Your needed FACTS are outlined in the Hub. Other than to come on here and dispute what is there you came on this Hub with your hate monger attack method. I don't hate anyone but I will give you this one warning and this one alone.

If you come on an article I write in that manner ever again no one will read a word you say. Got that? The authenticity of those videos were verified. Keep it up son. Unsubstantiate anything I put there. It's all public information and is easily verified.

Stop trolling and looking for trouble. You know I'm not going to listen to your personal attacks. One more and you're gone.

The Frog


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

Guess I struck a chord, huh?


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

Stu: Read Snopes to find out what the Constitution really says about what a person needs to qualify for the Presidency. There you will find that Obama is totally qualified to be President along with an explanation as to why.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

As usual Frog, all you need o do is let them talk and they tell you more about themselves than anything they talk about.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I have always been told by reliable sources who do know, that Snopes is a liberal tool and highly biased. I would not check them for facts. Rumors maybe, but not facts.


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Skarlet 4 years ago from California

Hi Becky. I have heard the same thing. I also noticed that every liberal seems to know about snopes, and are quick to mention it whenever they can.


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Yes, Skarlet, I have noticed that also. They might as well check wikipedia. There is a reason my professors told us that any paper using that for a reference was an automatic 0.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Hey Frog - wow! Brave of you to bring this to the front. Does sound like Obama already had an ax to grind with the upper class. They really have made so much about race - and even my extended family have radically different views about this issue. It does have a wedge effect too - and it's another really emotional issue for some people. Voted up and everything.


34th Bomb Group 4 years ago

I'll try again...

I sure hope all the "Hopey-Changey" folks who voted for this travesty are still slappy happy that they enabled these race baiters to be in a position to totally destroy our Country.

I don't know about you Your Royal Highness but I sure wasn't around 300 years ago and I'm damn sick and tired of being treated like I was. NONE of my ancestors owned slaves. Other ancestors fought in the Revolution, the Civil War (GAR), World War II and Korea. Now I'm being treated like a rotten person because of the color of my skin.

I would NEVER condone the way Blacks were treated in this, and many other countries all those years ago when their Chiefs sold them into slavery. Nor do I condone the slavery which continues to exist in many places on this planet. (No media ever mention that little fact.)

My son, who turned 18 just in time to vote for this idiot, said at the time "Mom, we're color blind." NOW? He rails against this crowd in the White House and swears he will never vote for anyone other than a Caucasian as long as he lives.

He's a white male - what would you expect?

The day that man was elected you could feel it in the air - and it wasn't the Whites. It was the Blacks who immediately felt MORE entitled to the hand outs they'd been living off of since FDR.

Under no circumstances would I condone slavery - neither did my ancestors. How come that idiot professor who had the "Beer Summit" at the picnic table gets a free television show on Public Television? The similar show on regular TV has to pay through the nose. The lesson there is defy a police officer and get to go to the White House as a guest of the "president" AND a television show! Not bad. My son would still be locked up.

These people are definitely begging for a fight. They think they'll win. Go for it. We outnumber them at least 10 to 1. The only problem is we won't kill them just for the hell of it. People such as you cite Jim won't have any compunction to let loose and then blame US for killing US.

The president and, in my mind even worse, that Holder character are committing TREASON!! They both swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's AFTER the oaths they swore when they were newly minted lawyers. (Not that we have any PROOF of Obama's - it's all smoke and mirrors.)

Look at this Trayvon Martin situation. A BOUNTY on Zimmermann's head!! Where's the Attorney General?? Somebody better tell him Bounties went out of fashion 100 years ago AT LEAST! That guy is F****D! He'll be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life.

Even I am starting to be a little scared. I NEVER thought that would happen - but there it is. Thank God I have carry privileges. In my little corner of the world it's tough to get them and who needs one in the country and in a town where everyone knows everyone else? Me. I never go out without one of my "little friends."

I could go on for hours F.P. This Hub struck a nerve because I always considered myself a fair person who was not prejudiced. I still don't think I'm prejudiced - but I AM scared. If Marshal Law is declared this country has had its run and the inmates will be running the asylum.

Frightening, to say the least.

Okay - enough for now.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Hey Stu - forget the deception and the fraud many experts have revealed pertaining to Obama's birth and eligibility, "Simon says", I mean Snopes says he is eligible! Who is behind Snopes anyway - does anyone know the background of it's owners and funding? Oh, I suppose we should blindly believe their own research on that?


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tom hellert 4 years ago from home

frog,

timetraveler2 said "Videos are not factual information. How about something from Snopes, Factcheck or Politifact?"

Dont use videos? use what certainwebsites have to say?

Hey FROG,Oh hell why think for yourself, become a typical democrat and just regurjutate what the left wing media has say.. be a typical Obama/Dem voter dont think just spit out Liberal talking points,. Why try to synthesize information for yourself... read someone else don't think for yourself-

TH


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Snopes is very up front about who runs it. Check them out yourself, don't believe me but they are run by a husband and wife who are registered and admitted liberals. They claim that they do not let that effect the information that they put up but if you look at it, the liberal slant is there. Just Google, "Who owns Snopes" and it will give you the answer. Then check them out.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Snopes is Snopes and has proven itself to be just like Wikipedia. You can put anything on Wiki and state it as fact. It is indeed a Mom & Pop operation run out of California. The video's I posted here are the real deal and the actual words with the characters who said it moving their mouths.

As far as "striking a chord" I will say this. It is tiresome when trolls come on someone's article spouting nonsense. When I write I use FACTS. FACTS are not my opinion, they are FACTS. If the FACTS are unpleasant then I still put them out there. Life isn't a bowl of cherries all the time and this particular group of seditious black supremacy nuts are getting a wink and a nod from this administration. Their inaction speaks volumes.

The Frog


Stu 4 years ago

TIMETRAVELER2,

As you say, "When you start inciting race wars, YOU become the dangerous person." This is exactly the point Frog was making. Frog was not inciting race wars; he was criticizing those who are.

Snopes is a progressive lie machine. It is the most dangerous kind of lie machine - it contains enough truth to make it credible to the gullible.

Stu


Stu 4 years ago

Hi Tsadjatko,

Based on what I could find out, it appears George Soros currently owns (or is a part owner) of Snopes, although he did not originate the system. Apparently, Soros (and possibly a group of co-investors) bought the system from its prior owner(s) or the original creator.

Stu


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dahoglund 4 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

The mere name "Black Panthers" implies racism,meaning they are piting their race against others.What is worse is the white liberals who use such groups to their own ends.It is time to put things like race behind us and work for the goals of respect for those who merit respect.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

dahoglund - Amen Brother.


Ghost32 4 years ago

TIMETRAVELER2 has an interesting--well, at least a routine leftist slant: Point at those who discuss "hate and fear" in the land...and claim that those involved in the discussion ARE those who hate and fear. It's not exactly putting a spin on things, but more a twist.

The one good thing about the Black Panthers is that while some of their members are big enough (judging from the voter intimidation video), their numbers are not. Without the enormous amount of media attention heaped upon their every vitriolic utterance, few Americans would even know they exist.

Which does not mean they are not seditious in their statements; they most certainly are. Perhaps once He Who Does Not Deserve Respect is bounced out of office this November, and a new President is inaugurated in January with a new Attorney General, we will see the DOJ investigations that should be ongoing now.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Hey Stu, Today is Sunday, and when you say "Snopes is a progressive lie machine. It is the most dangerous kind of lie machine - it contains enough truth to make it credible to the gullible" it brings to my mind John 8:44

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He ... does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Guess I'm just one of those "bitter clingers" but the way the progressives embrace lies and deception, who else's camp can they be in?


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

Ghost32: Bush's DOJ closed the original investigation...remember? And as for my comments...I think there are ways to discuss issues without spreading the venom further, and I think that to do otherwise makes you as much a part of the problem as the original offenders. Only a moron would think there is no hate or fear in America. Pushing people's faces into it by showing excessive vitriolic videos only creates more hatred and fear. Get it???


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Yeah, you mean like when Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton get out there and try to start race riots over the Trevon shooting without even knowing the facts and actually making them up, NBC editing the 911 tapes to make it look racist or Obama jumping in like he jumped in in Connecticut and his professor friend saying the Police "acted stupidly" before the "beer summit". If you ask me it is the left that spreads the venom.


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SpanStar 4 years ago

We don't need Mr. Sharpton or Mr. Jackson to start a race riot since without them we've done a pretty good job on oue own as the last event in Tulsa proves.


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rashawn mcqueen 4 years ago

thats a shame you would post those videos to try to cover up the 100s of year of oppression abuse violence that was put on the black man when there was a time when there was gatherings to watch lynchings not hidden to the public eyeand this information is documented so to compare the new black panther,al sharpton to the acts committed by white america is down wright wrong!!!! we all what know happened and its still happening..but you fault people who fight for injustice...you are a racist..and you cant justify it by saying you hate ignorance.I come from both sides of the fence so i can spot one a mile away just by there ignorant views..i bet you a fox 5 supporter a bill o'reilly fan every time a black man tells the truth or address a problem he's criticized and accused of in-sighting a riot or "oh he's a racist" open your eyes a see the bigger picture WE ALL ARE HUMAN!!! and whats really at stake only few are fighting for that's the planet skin wont mean much when its dead hows that for a problem


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

That's funny Span Star - This coming from some one who I suspect would say in answer to:

Charles Manson is a convict who has become an icon of evil.

Well who hasn't broke the law? He was never convicted of personally killing anyone.

Just an example of how you think.


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SpanStar 4 years ago

You may not know this tsadjatko but if someone employs others to kill for them they usually go to jail like Charles Manson.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

TIMETRAVELER2 - Holder's DOJ dismissed the charges against the two men. Good grief where do you get your news - MSNBC? How I write and the style I use is really no concern of yours. If you don't like it then stay away from my articles. Your tactics are rude but then I suspect that might be a reflection of your style of blogging.

You don't refute FACTS you attack sources and people. Move one. Read the link:

http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/ag-holder...

rashawn - Post them to do what? Oh boy... I posted the videos because it shows the sheer hatred involved in what I am speaking of. And yes you used "wright wrong" in the proper context. You seem to be carrying that race chip around on your shoulder. Rid yourself of it. What you said about your ignorance I can relate to. When both sides of the fence are covered by a person I get it. Both Sharpton and Jackson are both race baiters. That's apparent by their actions. We don't need that sort of action in this nation nor do we need the actions of the KKK. Just keep walking around with that chip on your shoulder and see how far it gets you.

The Frog


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

As Per Politifact.com: On Jan. 7, 2009, the Bush Administration Justice Department announced that it filed a civil lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members. Specifically, they were alleged to have violated Section 11(b) of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which prohibits intimidation, coercion or threats against "any person for voting or attempting to vote." The aims of the lawsuit were fairly limited: "The Department seeks an injunction preventing any future deployment of, or display of weapons by, New Black Panther Party members at the entrance to polling locations." In other words, the aim was to make sure they didn't do something similar again in the future. This section of the law does not subject violators to criminal penalties (fines or jail time, for example).

The Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice, which handles all racially motivated voter intimidation offenses, determined that "the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the federal criminal civil rights statutes," according to testimony provided by Thomas E. Perez , Assistant Attorney General, on May 14, 2010. Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler confirmed to PolitiFact that that determination not to file criminal charges was made prior to the filing of the civil case.

In other words, the decision not to pursue criminal charges was made by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division prior to the Obama administration.


Stu 4 years ago

Rashawn,

You are correct about American history. But you are in effect saying two wrongs make a right. The early English colonists were brutal with Indians, and virtually wiped out out other European emigrants (French, Dutch, and German) by forcing them into small enclaves, where many of their ancestors live today (Quebec, New York, and St. Paul, respectively). The Spanish largely survived, by emigating to Latin and South America. The Indians were largely starved to death by being forced to relocate to the Southwest (the "March of Tears") where there was nothing to hunt (about 1/4 died on the march). Slavery went on for about 80 years, until it became illegal after the Civil War, but overt racism continued throughout the 1960's, until federal action (the Civil Rights Act) eliminated the worst abuses.

Antidiscrimination is not a solution; it just breeds more racism. The only solution to racism is legal, economic, and social justice. We're at the stage now where cases of racism that involve civil or criminal wrongdoing will be heard by the courts, something that wasn't true several decades ago. In fact, under Obama's DOJ, offenses committed by minorities against whites are often pushed under the the rug if the defendant is an Obama supporter. We've come full circle in a sense. While it's true that blacks have not achieved economic parity with whites, at present, at least in federal criminal cases, they have an advantage over whites, because the DOJ is biased (remember Holder's famous statement in regard to not prosecuting the NBP for voter intimidation: "I can't do that to my people."). What he doesn't understand is that as AG of the US, we are ALL supposed to be "his people."

Your characterization of conservatives as being racist is unfounded. Modern conservatism concerns itself with federal debt reduction, free markets, and constuctionist legal interpretation (interpreting laws according Congressional intent, not Executive motive or Judicial ideology). If race were an issue with conservatives, why are there so many minority members/contenders in/for Congress and Governorships who are TPM conservatives, such as Allen West, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, etc.? While it's true that ultra-conservatives, like revolutionaries and paleocons, are in fact usually racist, conventional right wingers like libertarians and mainstream conservatives are not (obviously there will be a few exceptions, but it's not the rule). And conventional right wingers outnumber revolutionaries and paleocons by an enormous margin (revolutionaries and paleocons and just fringe groups).

Frog's video's don't in any way "cover up" the abuses committed by whites in the past. They simply expose abuses committed by left wing radicals in the present. Threatening or inciting violence is a crime, no matter what your race. If the NBP goes over the legal line in their public speech, they can and should be punished, just like anyone else who commits the same crime. As I said in the beginning, two wrongs don't make a right.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

TT2 - Read the link I posted. Bush was out of office in January of 2009 and beyond. Google it and start reading. Holder was the AG and he sure wasn't Bush's AG. Spin it like you acre to but FACTS are FACTS.

The Frog


Stu 4 years ago

Tsadjatko,

Great point. That's how the devil, and successful evil people, work. Mix a alot of truth with a little bit of untruth, and conclude with a falsehood that "seems" correct. Unless all the facts and logic are correct, one can "prove" any falsehood.

Stu


Stu 4 years ago

TIMETRAVELER2,

Your comments against Ghost are unwarranted. The videos are only vitriolic because they prove the NBP committed a serious crime, yet the DOJ decided to give them a skate because the NBP supports Obama. Such videos don't create hatred or fear, but they do serve the worthwhile purpose of showing how capricious our federal justice system has become, and how badly we need to change things in November. Ghost is not a moron - he's simply calling the facts as they really are.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Now I've heard this administration and it's Obamabots blame Bush for many things but this takes it to new heights.

The Frog


partisan patriot 4 years ago

Froggy

I leave you with the opening paragraph of my HUB "Socialism Comes in all Colors" which I published over a year ago; I feel it is even more appropriate today!

OK, for all you Void, Vapid, Glittering Jewels OF Colossal Ignorance who cling to your platitudes and Democratic Talking Points and above all lack the gravitas to support any argument in favor of your Messiah get over the Racism thing. The fact that the majority of Americans do not support the policies of your Marxist President has nothing what so ever to do with the color of his skin. Let me set the record straight for once and for all; Socialism is Socialism regardless of the skin color of the perpetrator!


Stu 4 years ago

TT2,

"In other words, the decision not to pursue criminal charges was made by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division prior to the Obama administration." How much KoolAid did you drink this morning? The CRD reports to the DOJ, and the DOJ reports to Obama. Has it even once occured to you that the three could be communicating by phone or email (solar powered of course), and it's all really one federal decision to let the criminals go free for partisan reasons?

PLEASE, TAKE SOME TEA. Your brain needs it.

Stu


Stu 4 years ago

SpanStar,

You are right that hiring others to perform a killing is a sanctionable offense. But so is voter intimidation. BOTH should be punished. Charles Manson IS in jail. The NBP offenders who initimidated voters should be right in there with him. But no, AG Holder can't do that to "his people." ACORN, the NBP, and the SEIU can intimidate voters with impunity as long as they are supporting Obama. And what's this stuff about Tulsa? The shooters are already in the process of being arraigned for first degree murder. What are you complaining about? If Manson and the Tulsa shooters have to face the consequences of their actions, why not also the perpetrators of the big three voter intimidation cases? What would be your opinion if a TPM group intimidated voters? Do you think they should be allowed to walk? Probably not, because they are not "your people."

Stu


Stu 4 years ago

Partisan Patriot,

Nailed it. Cons and center-right voters don't hate Obama because he is black, they hate him because he serially violates the Constitution, and wants to turn the US into a socialist dictatorship. If right wing voters were so racist and sexist, as the liberals claim, why would the TPM be so strongly behind Marco Rubio, Allen West, Sharron Angle, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, etc.? The facts are right in front of the libby's eyes, but they have very selective attention. If a fact gets in the way of a preconceived conclusion, it is just ignored. Basically, liberals just start with "conclusions," and "invent" facts (lies) to support them.

Stu


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

For those of you who DO NOT know politics it is a well known FACT on both sides of the aisle in Washington that the Republican party was "grooming" JC Watts from Oklahoma to be the FIRST EVER black POTUS and he would have been the first ever black president had his gangbanger brother not commited murder. I am from Oklahoma and my family watched as this whole thing unfolded in my home state. Oklahoman's love this man and his politics and his very open and honest discussion about the FACT that two generations of black Americans have been raised to hate white people.

JC's brother commited a crime that sent him running home from Washington with his tale between his legs shortly after this incident and before his brother's trial began. Prior to this act of insanity on the part of his no good brother every single time you saw the Republicans on TV JC Watts was at the podium standing in the number 3-4 position in the land and EVERYONE loved this man, on both sides of the aisle and the Republicans had every intention of making him the first black president and since that time there should no longer be discussions and talking points about the Republicans being racist-----It simply is not the truth---the Republican leaders DID NOT want JC to leave Washington politics and encouraged him to stay and that is the truth, but he was a proud and highly educated man who was forever horribly embarrassed by the actions of his hood rat brother and today he has a successful lobbying firm in Oklahoma and America missed a great chance to elect a black president who believed in the constitution and who DID NOT believe in government hand-outs and welfare for his people or for any able-bodied people. He believed and spoke often about the FACT that black people had become so dependant on welfare to the extent that entire neighborhoods had evolved nationwide where nobody had a job and where drug dealing was the only career and he spoke often about the FACT that black America has no Leaders who are not in fact "race baiters" and when JC Watts spoke everyone on capital hill listened.

I have spent many hours, days and weeks in black neighborhoods across America trying to motivate young blacks whose parents had never had a job and whose grandparents had never had a job and who knew noone who ever had a job or who had tried to get a job and Obama worked with these same neighborhoods in Chicago and he KNOWS our country cannot function when a whole race of people are for generations not working and are taking from the taxes of those generations of all the rest of us who are working!!!! For every welfare recipient in America eight people have to work and pay taxes for them to be welfare recipients and for every neighborhood where nobody works and nobody pays taxes there is no money for their parks and schools and roads and police services and everything else involved in running a community and instead of getting off the couch and getting jobs during the affirmative action days these people continued to live off of welfare and making one more baby for another $500 per month was a way of life for them and I have seen this first hand for forty years and none of these people want jobs when they were offered to them ever. No thanks we're good with runnin the streets all nite, sleeping in and living off the working people. I have heard it a million times and racism in the "hood" is far worse than anthing I have heard from a white person in 60 years. My generation was taught not to be racist and not to discriminate but this President has brought to light over and over again that black people have been raised to hate white people and to hate our country and to hate the government for not giving them more freebies and Obama is the poster child for racism in our country and if anyone doubts that just hook up to a few of Rev. Wright's sermons which Obama claims not to have heard over a period of 20 years of attendance. Get it????? The truth will set you free liberals and sound bites only make you sheeple!!!


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SpanStar 4 years ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and opinion is what this sounds like to me. The notion that black people have been raised to hate white people is a slap in the face for the horrific ordeal of slavery, for the photos of black people lynched, for the constant threat of the Ku Klux Klan, for the hate filled skinheads of minorities, for the indiscriminate taking of life just so long as they were black people in recent news in Oklahoma, for the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior trying to bring this country together and for so many unsung heroes that tried to stop the racism in America.

This opinion as I can see it does nothing to fix nothing.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Span Star - Thanks for voicing your opinion. That is all it is too. Oh well...

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

What's the matter Frog it bothers you that everyone doesn't fall for everything written-Sorry About That!


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

From About.Com with regards to Snopes.com: ...the charge of partisanship is laid without evidence. At no time have the Mikkelsons publicly stated a political preference or affiliation, or expressed support for any particular party or candidate.

Moreover, Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen, and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections or contribute to political campaigns. In a statement to FactCheck.org, David Mikkelson said his "sole involvement in politics" is voting on election day. In 2000 he registered as a Republican, documents provided to FactCheck.org show, and in 2008 Mikkelson didn't declare a party affiliation at all. Says Mikkelson: "I've never joined a party, worked for a campaign, or donated money to a candidate" (source: FactCheck.org).

Anyone who claims proof to the contrary needs to come out with it.

And Truth or Fiction adds that Snopes.com is a respectable and honorable source of nonpartisan information. They also condemn the unfounded attacks on Snopes.com.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Span Star - A Mom and Pop operation is just that. Snopes lost its credibility as a fact finder long ago. You go ahead and use them. You might as well cite Wikipedia as reliable. It's not because you can put anything on there as factual with impunity. Snopes has nothing to do with this article. Snopes sure wouldn't deny that the videos and quotes here are accurate and attributed to those who said what, when and where. You have no point about Snopes that is relevant.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

You're getting confused Frog, I'm not the one talking about Snopes.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Sorry SpanStar. It's the other troll who wants to persist with nonsense. What is in this Hub is true. I don't expect any liberal to accept the truth. It's easier for you to make things up as you go along.

The Frog


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TIMETRAVELER2 4 years ago

Frog Prince: The premise of your hub was that there are hate groups out there who are spouting sedition. Clearly, the videos are what they are. I never disputed that there were hate groups or that the videos were real. My point was that you used overkill to make your point and thus are participating in spreading fear and hatred. You asked at one point where I got my info, and I told you. You or someone else questioned the credibility of Snopes, and I gave you that information as well. The credibility of snopes was questioned, so I responded with factual information about snopes. You are assuming I'm a liberal, which is not true, just as some of the things you said in your hub were not true. It is obvious to me that no matter what I say or show or prove you won't be happy. If you want me to stop responding, stop asking leading questions!!


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

It is not an opinion span star----- it is the truth,a truth that I have heard over and over again from the people who live in the "hood" and from people who used to live in the ghetto--from one end of this country to the other---I didn't need to form an opinion and don't need to justify reasons for speaking the truth to you or anyone---I have been working with gangbangers for four decades and before that I was a campfire leader since I was in 7th grade in the "hood" in my hometown for little black fourth graders---I took two twins home to live with me the first year and have taken in more than a hundred of other peoples black and hispanic kids over the past four decades and I get these truths from them---hispanics kids are taught that white people are stupid and blacks kids are taught to hate white people and I teach government and civics among other things to these kids and together we all continue to fight racism of any kind---with the truth and nothing but the truth---tellling the truth-----as I know it has nothing to do with opinion and these kids have respected that in me and were open and honest with me in return---they told me these things-----BUT if you spend alot of time as a white person in any all black neighborhood in America---you will SEE and FEEL this same truth---black people hate us and when we discuss the FACT that the British and the Spanish brought the slaves here and there were no heinz 57 Americans which is what most white people are today and when I explain thatthe heinz 57 Americans are no more like the spaniards or the british than texans are like New Yorkers they get that as well and when I further explain the FACT that black parents and black tribal chiefs SOLD black people into slavery we are pretty much DONE with speaking about the past----these kids and their parents and their grandparents get this truth in a way that you do not---none of us can change the past of yesteryear or yesterday, but we can all go forward in a way that honors all colors of people and I have devoted my life and life's work to that end, but I didn't need to use these skills in the white community, ever,so this is my experience and I have no need to opine on my experience----in addtion, I have given my whole life to helping less fortunate people of color my whole life but my mantra has been to encourage them to work and encouraging them not to hate and encouraging them to stop killing each other and to stop ,making babies they cannot afford to feed and teaching them that the welfare tank is running dry and that eventually they will all have to go to work and I teach them not to become felons before the age of 15 and let them know that they will never have a career only a job when the welfare pool dries up and that's is what I given my life to, what have you "fixed" over the past 60 years---I would love to hear? What kind of program have you set up to make America a better place to live---how much time do you devote to your plan---have you affected hundreds of lives and changed many more minds like I have?? Would love to hear about it


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

TT2 - My "over kill" to you means that I shouldn't put the actual FACTS out there for reading. If you don't don't want to read FACTS then don't come here. Sedition is sedition and I don't care who is doing it - regardless of skin color.

The truth isn't always pretty but it is still the truth.

I don't rely on SNOPES nor Politifact, which I am very familiar with since it comes out of my home town. I am widely read and I read it all. Then after I do my research I sit down at this keyboard and write the truth. If that offends you then that is too bad. Over kill is what Obama does. What I do is present actual FACTS.

anje - You go. There seems to be a tendency that many of us "just don't know the way it is." I do.

The Frog


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Jim,

You and I have both lived long enough to watch blacks go from the back of the bus to the White House. Sometimes I realize that someone just 10 years younger can only read about what we've seen, and lived through. There's a big difference between reading about something and living through it. There is no such thing as a lack of prejudice, but as a country we have reached a point where we are approaching it. Guys like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and so on, are old black warriors living in the 60s. They are actually a hindrance to black progress.

Good job. Keep on writing bro.

~ jim


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SpanStar 4 years ago

anjegirl,

If you have/are changeing minds good for you but the idea that racism come purely from teaching is Wrong. I've the KKK up close. Relatives talked about how some White people came into the house and that relative never seen again. I was denied to eat at the lunch counter. I lived during the time when the only answer you give to a White person was "yes sir/ no sir/ yes madam/ no madam" and your eye had better be looking at the ground as just some of the truths in a racist society-these events and more came from real life believe that.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Span Star - So lets start living in the present. As the Jim above you said, "He and I lived through the changes." It isn't time to turn back the clock and that is exactly where sedition can lead. It is uncalled for and should be prosecuted no matter who is doing it or the color of their skin.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

Frog,

The idea of living in the present is a noble idea unfortunately America has never really ever dealt with racism straightforward. We are still living in the past with situations like Tulsa, Oklahoma who maintains the idea that it is OK to kill black people simply for no other reason than being black people says that we have never left the past! Be advised this is not an isolated incident.

Those who choose to forget the past are destined to repeat it.

The derogatory, hateful racist sign placed on the highway employing a racial slur regarding Trayvon Martin presents what kind of future unlike the past? We continue to close our eyes at that which is staring us in the face and I refuse to play the game of let's pretend.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Span Star - There are nut cases on both sides of the fence. The majority of Americans aren't like that.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

That is true but how many times is race going to divide this country?


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

Span Star----race is going to divide this country as long as some people want special treatment and want others to go to work to support them and as long as race baiters are the ONLY black men on tv and as long as any one person perpetually points out individual incidences like the one you keep citing in Tulsa---or going on about a sign about Trayvon----what are you accomplishing by having this hatred toward people of other races like the hispanic man who killed that kid--- I just moved from Tulsa two weeks ago and at least every other day, a black person kills another black person in North Tulsa which is where the local blacks have chosen to move to in the past decade---why do black people not care about this----it is and has been epidemic for forty years and when the police show up to try to solve these crimes, the neighbors either lie or refuse to cooperate with the officers---until or unless it is their own kid----why is this and why doesn't anyone in the black community care about this---it amazes me that cops still work in the black community trying to solve the endless crimes and that doctors still treat all these knife and gunshot and domestic violence cases in the ER every single nite of the week----doctors don't become doctors to work on these kinds of lifesaving efforts, but it is by and far the majority of all the cases that they do have to deal with---useless emergencies commited by a whole nation of people who have way too much time on their hands---the black community is largely responsible for the rapid decay of our health care system and for our extreme insurance rates and for everyone of them who is a career criminal we are paying no less than $40,000 per year to house them in prison a place which is a swinging door to more black men than not ----

I know I hate being lied to but you know as well as I do that black kids are "taught" to hate and to lie to cops--- and every year as we get broker fewer and fewer cops will be in these neighborhoods and this is where I would make my first cuts in spending because for a cop to have to work in a black community puts his or her life in far more danger than in any other neighborhood in America and we all know this and why does the black community not care about this??? And why are they taught not to cooperate with police and why should all the other dozens of races have to support all these bad habits that have permeated the black community for as long as I can remember???

These are the things the black community needs to worry about as our country runs out of money to pay for all this lack of responsibility and laziness and who will lead them back to a place of civility? Certainly not a person who is racist or a race baiter---

I grew up going to my grandmothers house in North Tulsa when it was predominately white people and the schools were great and the yards were groomed and the homes were maintained and very, very nice---and only ten years after the blacks took over this whole area it is now the "hood" and the slums of the whole area and it is all run down and I was all over the whole north end mentoring young black men and women and teaching them about how welfare works and why it will not continue to sustain life for them into the future---and getting them into online colleges and more and----I took it very personally that this very large area had been destroyed in such a short amount of time and had become a place where it was not safe for anyone who is not black to go after dark and the schools are mold infested and the parks I played in for four decades are closed down and the entire area is a disaster area---it would be beneficial to you and to all black people to figure out why no one works in these areas and why they are letting their neighborhoods go to the dogs and why when no one is working or paying taxes,why they expect great schools and great parks and why are they all killing each other---in only one year, I knew 10 kids who lost loved ones personally of the many, many area murders and why is nobody is stepping up to change the way black people walk through life and why nobody cares about the fact that these kids don't work and don't want to work---I believe all this shooting comes from sheer boredom and is taught to these kids by their parents and grandparents--as I have said, I have seen this from coast to coast---where is the pride in ones' home and in one's raising of a child and why don't the moms care that their kids school is rotting and where are the leaders who will try to change what the black man has become to our society---again, that is worth talking about and that is worth pursuing into the future---many times over the years Bill Cosby has spoken out about the fact that black men don't work and about the hood rat language that sounds like that of former slaves and why are black men killing each other and why don't they stay and raise their children and every single time----the whole black community goes ballistic on Cosby---why is that?

yes, I have changed minds by saying the same thinks I have said here---the truth, but invariably a black person will come out and slam me because I want black men to work and take care of their children and take care of their neighborhoods and learn to cooperate with police when crimes are being commited and you know as well as I do that black people are "taught" to lie to police, to hate them for doing their jobs and are taught not to cooperate when those police are in their war zone trying to solve their crimes and why isn't anyone doing anything about the present day decaying of the black communities nationwide? And why are you spending time keying on every little racist example that you can instead of trying to change your community as I have been doing for decades??? All of this just spreads more hatred and is not beneficial to anyone and is certainly not what Martin Luther King intended for the black community---not even

As I am writing this cosby is doing an interview on the news about why the black community is talking about the trayvon case being racist when the talking should be about the way black men walk through life and why noone talks about why so many black people are killing each other and Piers Morgan is trying to get Tavis Smiley and Cornel West to talk about that but no, they are only whining about how horrible things are for blacks and why all the rest of us should fix it for them----Smiley is talking about how poverty is the worst form of violence and shrinking the gap betweeen the poor and others, but for decades broke people who refuse to work keep making babies they cannot afford to raise and these black "leaders" know there is no more money to throw at the black community and they know these communities don't want to work but they keep lying and saying the white man is the root cause of their laziness----it doesn't add up---and now the whole nation is broke and these black leaders need to quit whining about inequality and get their people to work---as a woman growing up in the 50's and 60's I know what discrimination feels like and I personally have lost jobs to a lesser qualified black person because of affirmative action, but I didn't waste one minute of my life whining about it and that is the lesson that we all need to learn---to stop complaining about races and to all go to work---and maybe you could be a new kind of young black leader who leads your community into the workplace and who explains the drain they are causing to all of us and to alert blacks to the fact that the welfare coffers are empty and that is just a fact


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

Sorry, frog but now I am really fired up and trying to teach this kid something about the present day problem and trying to eject him out of the past----grrrrrr

So Spanstar, I just went to your hubpage and was hoping I would not find that racism is what you are about, but now we BOTH know that is not what happened----your intro and the four random hubs I speed read through are all about how awful everything is for the poor deprived black community-------and you know what, you sound very young and very brainwashed to this idea which is proving everything I have said to you to be the truth and believe me when I tell you that "the truth will set you free"----like Frog has said, you are living in the past and most of us on this hub are much older and we have lived through traveling and seeing signs saying "no colored people" to a place over the past two decades when black people began to use the N word as every other word out their mouths and the way they communicated in the hood was farther from the English language than the language of their former slave ancestors who worked and prayed for the ability to "get an education" and for the past four decades nobody in the hood can speak english well enough to get a job and most don't get an education and most don't ever get out of the hood because of the attitude that you write about in your hubs---

I was so disgusted when I realized that fighting for the black man all my life came to a place of what the last two decades have brought all of us---career criminals, welfare babies, health care costs because of the violence and lack of workers and filthy language about women and about our government and about our armed forces and the brave men and women of law enforcement who ALL the other races in America are grateful to have in their hood and ----and I have been disgusted to see one rapper after another singin about doing drugs and killing cops and beating women and cheating and black and milds and 20 inch rims and blah, blah,blah,blah,blah----

Black people have set themselves and all the rest of us back a hundred years with gangsta rap and all that has come with it and I have experienced life-threatening racism many times for my work in the hood and eventually I have changed alot of minds, but the mind is like a parachute, it has to be open to work---

and lots of us are disgusted with the whining and the kind of attitude you take in all your writings---most of us have been paying your community taxes and your hospital bills and paying for cops to patrol your hood for decades---I personally have been working since I was 6 years old and both my grandparents picked cotton while black folks sat on their porches and refused to work and you speak about blacks using the N word briefly in a hub I read and then turn right around and blame everyone but the idiots who started this and the mothers and grandmothers and fathers and grandfathers who joined in and began talking and acting like their kids "trying to be cool" and very soon nobody in the hood could speak english and everyone I known in the white community for my whole life has put a strong and honest effort into fighting racism and helping all the other races and yet the black man has just gone backwards because of the brainwashing that you write about and because of a lack of leadership among blacks---

I can remember in the 50's driving through the south many, many times and seeing lots of black people just hanging out on their porches or in large groups in their yards during the middle of the week when the rest of the country was working and mom had told me that when I was 8-9 I once asked her why they weren't at work and mom told me that some of them don't want to work and some of them can't find work and from that moment on I began to pay attention to those two things and in all these years these two things have not changed nationwide except to get much worse----most of the kids I have worked with cannot work in this country because they are convicted felons before they are out of their teens because that is what their community leaders have taught them and most of them don't want to work for any amount of money----they are lazy and noone in their whole hood ever cared to motivate them to get out of there and they are turned out onto the streets at the age of three or four and "taught" by the boys in the hood how to be criminals and why aren't you and all the other black people talking about that---you are pushing your agenda here with lots of people who are sick of the belly aching and sick of picking up the slack----

I have also noticed that black men choose career criminal and living off the government as their first and only choice of how to grow up and nobody is talking about this in the black community====and the saddest thing ever is when you see 50-60 people in one black family pushing a child into singing competitions or into pro ball so that one person can support generations of lazy non-working people----it is heartbreaking and having worked with a lot of athletes over the years, I know first hand that MOST of them are estranged from their families because of "family mooching" and I know lots of black people who are as sick of this attitude as I am----

And for years ALL the hundreds of other races of people who live here are sick of hearing your message and so again I say that person------that NEW KIND of Black leader could be you and you could take alot of your whining hubs down and start with a 21st century attitude toward "bettering" your community with a large dose of the truth---having communicated with the people on this hub for months, I can tell you without a doubt that not one of them is racist on any level and all of us are sick of the next generation and the next generation of black people whining and not caring about their own communities and perpetually living in the past and teaching that to their kids-----

I know what goes on in these households and the crap on TV and the lack of education on anything and the apathy and the racism and the hatred for police and the blaming and ranting and lying and lack of life and motivation in the black communities from coast to coast should be the only thing black people are talking about---and they need to get off the couch and clean up their homes and neighborhoods and they need to get involved in the preservation of their schools and parks and every able bodied person in these communities needs to get a job and plan to keep it forever-----and these are the only things that should appear on your hub and yet the exact opposite is true-----have you ever asked yourself or the people who taught you this stuff what America would look like if the Chinese and the Japanese and the Italians and the Germans and the Russians and Croatians and the British and the Spanish and the Mexicans oh, and let us not forget what the Spanish and the British did to the freakin Indians and oh, yeah, today it is impossible for anyone from the middle east to live life to it's fullest in America, because of radical islam and we don't hear them whining daily in blogs or in the news or on TV---what if All the other races in our country wanted as much whine time and free hand-outs and help keeping up their communities as we hear black people asking for everyday for my whole life?????

you need to know that when the government "polled" the black community ONLY about whether or not our government should profile middle easterners at our airports that black people voted at a rate of 96% nationwide to absolutely "profile" all people who were traveling who appeared to be "muslims" i.e. "terrorists" but profiling blacks for being the number one stand out career criminal race is not okay and we all have to hear about it every day------and that is the attitude that is infecting the black community nationwide and you are part of the problem and have no solutions for how or motivation for why this should change---the black community needs leaders and being part of the problem will never make you part of the solution and some days all the rest of us just have to thank the lord that all the rest o


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

anje - No problem. I usually try to let people have their say within reason. It's when allegations start being made about content and other people, including myself, that I have to draw the line in the sand.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

anje,

You not only speed read, you seemingly write novels. For the love of God give me the condensed version I don't need to reread things I already know.

Based on what I've read that you have written you look at things one sidedly. Your perception of black people seems to be focused on the stereotypical view. Those poor unsuspecting innocent police officers having to work in the black community. When I was growing up in the black community we had white police officers patrolling our community and when some criminal activity took place and these police officers rounded up kids that I grew up with my friends would come back and tell me in order to get them to talk, police officers would have them hold phonebooks on their heads and they would pound on these phonebooks with their night sticks causing pain but no visible marks.

Another time, gambling took place after school on the playground the police car would quietly come into the playground area and those who did not get away in time the police would notice the money on the ground asked if this money belong to anyone and when no one would claim it they would say "Jim look what I found!" And proceeds to put the money in their pockets.

Wherever you're getting your perception of black people I would recommend you go back and take a thorough look because your views do not focus on the reality that I know of.

People keep saying I'm living in the past since the same a racial hate crimes that happened in the past are happening today I don't see this as true however if living in the past is a problem then we should have gotten rid of the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights years ago!


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - But also acknowledge that those hate crimes you mention happen on both sides of the fence, not just one.

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SpanStar 4 years ago

Yes hate crimes happen on both sides however the level of impact is much less coming from Black people in particular since they don't have courts they can claim are their own nor do they control the government they can only wait and see if justice will be done.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - That's what ever other citizen is expected to do.

TFP


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SpanStar 4 years ago

Every other citizen isn't singled out because of their race. If you're not aware of a book a few years by it was titled I believe "Black Like Me." A White person darken his skin and pretended to be Black as I recalled he ended his experience early because of how he was treated by his own people.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - My concern is how I treat people. Having served in the Army as long as I did, I see everyone as green. One's skin color deserves no special treatment. A person needs to stand on their own merit.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

The Frog I was just about to terminate our discussion until your last post. I believe there might be some sincerity in some of what you had to say however it is worded in such a way that it sounds old hats.

"People should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps!"

That ideology works when there is true equality.

Here is a scenario for you: Photo Contest-the one who submits the best photo wins.

A bus driver's son enters their photograph.

(Assuming he has a son) Bill Gates son enters a photograph.

Frog-the above scenario appears to be equal but if it really?

Today people are not on equal footing, they have never been so how can they possibly be treated equal?


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - I'm just an old school soldier.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

That maybe but you have skills in leadership and direction you can make a difference in life if you so choose. Of course change for most of us is not easy.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - Since you don't really know me or who I am a statement like that is just a shot in the dark.

The Frog


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SpanStar 4 years ago

You can know someone for a life time and still not know them and you me someone and immediately know that person is for you. Roy Rogers told Dale Evans that he was going to have her for his wife.

It might be a bit of a gamble but I was in the military also and usually they try to instill chacter and pride into people.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

SpanStar - Well friend, I still do.

TFP


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

Span star are you not aware that women have been discriminated against in our country since it's inception??? I have experienced a lot of discrimination and unfair treatment as a woman in my life as have millions of other women including my mom and my grandmother but none of us or any other woman I have ever known has made it their life's work to whine about it as you do in your hubs and on other people's hubs---that is what makes us different from you----you do not get what anyone here is trying to teach you about whining and complaining and doing nothing to change things---you just don't get it


Gusser 4 years ago

anjegirl: Tell it like it is. Spanstar: Listen & learn.


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SpanStar 4 years ago

anjegirl,

Please point out in the which article that I said women were not discriminated against?

Gusser-that applies to you as well.

This is what I don't get, this pie in the sky that everything is hunky Dory so what if those people in the past had to die in order for me to obtain the freedoms I have today-Old News!

If it weren't for the past believe this you would not be sharing in the liberties you have today.


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anjegirl 4 years ago from Myrtle Beach,SC

spanstar---I was not talking about you---I was talking about me and the women I have known and pointing out to no avail that we only hear this whining from blacks and what if all of us who have ever been discriminated against were daily seeking justice for that---no one has spoken about pie in the sky and no one is talking about dead people---if it were not for the past, none of us would have liberties we all share in and for me it is important to note that women are STILL not paid the same wages for doing the same job that a man will do---but I never hear about this in the news or in any hubs or in my daily conversations---most of us have just had to learn that it is a man's world and they make the rules and whining about it changes nothing----again you miss the point


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SpanStar 4 years ago

You are correct women are still being treated unfairly but history also showed that women took a stand against men to better their position which I believe it was called Women Suffrage.


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MartieCoetser 4 years ago from South Africa

Of course, we Europeans down here in South Africa will never-ever hear the end of Racism. If you want to hit a dog, you will always find a stick, such as racism, Imperialism, Nazism.... whatever 'ism' is but merely a wooden stick..... Forget about the stick and save the damn dog!

Reversed discrimination = we are suffering this while the ship is sinking.....

God save the Queen...

God save America...

God save South Africa...

God save the world....

Let us sing and hope for the best :)

Voted up and well-stressed :)

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