Transylvania: In Hungary or Romania, or Neither: Whose View Is Correct?
Why this Email and Hungary and Transylvania and Romania and Transylvania?
I have a history in Transylvania, in fact I am a first generation North American, a first generation Canadian to be precise. The rest of my family were born in Romania, in Transylvania. My extended family history however, dates back in Transylvania to 1730, which is how long the time village my family comes from has written records of birth, baptisms and deaths.
This is from both my mother's and my father's side. All these records are, or were found in the village church which has published its records or sent them to the families when requested. I write a blog on Transylvania and its history and received an email from someone who makes claims about Romania and Hungary and Transylvania.
I got this email when I mentioned something good about the peoples of Transylvania, and that they all contributed to the vitality of Transylvania, on my blog about Transylvania. More specifically when I made mention about Romania and Transylvania.
I am dismayed at the comments made by this person, as it seemed that they have a strong independence minded streak within them. I question most of the facts in this email. Also, this emailer has a number of websites which they have published much of the same content.
Not only that but when I personally tired to contact them to find out more information I have yet to receive a response from the emailer. What they have published does a great disservice to Transylvania and Romania and Hungary.
It also appears they have a "passion" for their stance since they have now published a website on their point of view about Hungary and Transylvania and what Romania is supposedly doing to Hungarian culture.
Many of the facts given are incorrect and the person who published these will not "back up" their published stance. It is all about publishing a correct version of historical facts.
Bran Castle, In Transylvania, and Maps and Writing
Websites and Emails, and Incorrect Facts
Below is the email in its entirety. I have since been able to find this email on many other websites, and not only that, but the person who wrote it does not seem to respond to any contact requests.
"It is indeed fortunate that many of the ancient Transylvanian documents, dating back as far as the 11th century, were transferred to the Hungarian National Archives in Budapest, some before World War I, and others during World War II. Thus, in spite of all the Rumanian efforts to eradicate the past, the true history of Transylvania can still be proven by thousands of ancient documents and the traces of the once great Western-oriented culture of the Hungarians in Transylvania can still be found in libraries and museums, not in Hungary alone, but also in Austria, Germany, Italy, France, England, and the United States of America.
The Romanian culture is entirely different from that known as the "Transylvanian culture", which is in reality a regional diversity of the West-oriented Hungarian culture. The Rumanian culture is Balkan-oriented, and specifically Rumanian, based on the history of the Vlach migration from South across to Albania, and from there up to Wallachia and Moldavia. It was brought forth by Balkan influences, just as the Romanian language itself, which is composed, according to the Romanian linguist Cihac, "of 45.7% Slavic, 31.5% Latin, 8.4% Turkish, 7% Greek, 6% Hungarian and 0.6% Albanian words." Even today, the Romanian culture as such, has no roots in Transylvania. It is being "imported" constantly and purposefully from Bucharest into the Transylvanian province in order to crowd out and replace the traditional Hungarian culture of this conquered and subjugated land.
Future of Transylvania and its capital Kolozsvár is to return to Central Europe and to Hungarian Culture where it belongs. Transylvania was GIVEN to Romania in 1921, and again in 1947, without a plebiscite. This notorious Treaty is known as The Diktat of Trianon, Hungarians were forced to sign in Paris. Ever since Transylvania was awarded to Romania, Hungarians, Germans and other ethnic minorities have suffered at the hands of Romanian Chauvinists. They have consistently and systematically been subjest to forced assimilation and persecution. Romania is probably the most xenophobic country in Europe today. Romanians in cities like Marosvásárhely (targu mures) and Kolozsvár (cluj) are practising ethnic cleansing an a scale only seen in former Yugoslavia. Hungarians are subject to constant discrimination, Hungarian signs are painted over or not allowed at all, intimidation by Gheorghe Funar is carried out against Hungarians on a daily basis aimed at driving out all Hungarians from this ancient Magyar land."
I have read and reread this email and have come up with a few questions which I emailed back to them a few weeks ago with no response. I was polite, but told him that I wasn't Hungarian, but Saxon, which i believe is the reason that I haven't heard back from this person. I've also, let it be noted found this email now as a website or three... looks to be a big thing for them, which is unfortunate.
Did you live in Transylvania or somewhere else? I feel that this anger must stem from the fact that you or your relatives lived in Transylvania.
What about these documents? I see you mention them, but which ones?
One last comment, Hungary was a part of the Austrian Empire in 1918 when World War I ended, and the Treaty of Trianon was signed in 1919. I know this since my grandmother was born in Transylvania, and her birth certificateate is from Romania, whereas a cousin who was born at the end of 1918 has a birth certificate from the Austrian Empire, Kingdom of Hungary. So please be advised it wasn't 1921.The date for the return of Northern Transylvania is also wrong, as my mother who was born at the end of 1945 has a Romanian birth certificate but her older siblings have Hungarian, as Northern Transylvania was a part of Hungary from 1940-1945.
I have made efforts to contact both the Romanian consulate and the Hungarian consulate in my area, in hopes that they will shed some light on the subject. They have and both have stated that this email is one which probably has come from either outside of Hungary or Transylvania. It is to them a most unfortunate email, and one which does not promote harmony in the European Union or otherwise. Both consulates have clearly stated that Transylvania is a part of Romania.
Map of Translyvania, In The Kingdom of Hungary Note the German Name Below It
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Could They Be From Transylvania.. Or Simply Trying for Exposure??
Even this question makes me wonder, this email seems to have some facts correct, and yet the facts given are incorrect-- this is more true with dates, and seems to be published to make people angry. Dates are incorrect and the one thing which sticks out in my mind are the dates. They do not make a valid point if the dates they quote are incorrect it is in many ways politically motivated.
It is as if they are trying to make a point, but haven't looked up any facts. A simple review of wikipedia will give some dates. This leads me to believe that they set these dates for a reason. Both of them are two years AFTER the actual two main events that they refer to, that of World War One and World War Two. (World War end officially on November 11, 1918, but the treaties weren't signed until 1919. Hungary and Romania fought after the end of the war as well.)
In fact some simple checking from my own personal books on the Saxons show that the Hungarians, Romanians and Saxons convened at Alba Iulia and voted to join Romania. This was a vote. Hungary was falling into anarchy and Transylvania had a large number of Romanians living there even then.
Again a quick check of wikipedia gives the numbers, which I do believe were over 50% of the population in some cases.
There was also an area, which until the 1950s was a Hungarian autonomous province. This ended when Transylvania started using a county system. Hence why I wonder about cultural genocide comments, Had the Romanians in Transylvania pushed there wouldn't have been this area so such a long time.
This makes me wonder, One point that I can say is that either this person comes from Hungary or they don't know their history of the land they came form. This is most unfortunate since Transylvania has a long history dating back to the Roman Times and before than with the Dacians, but the "explosive point" is only the last sixty years or so. It is like saying that Dracula-- by this I mean the title character from Bram Stoker's novel, is really a person and not Vlad Tepes.
My Own View on Transylvania
I have stated this many times on my blog, but Transylvania is a part of Romania. It used to be a part of Hungary, however these days it is a part of Romania.
There many views and publications about Transylvania, and of course everyone including myself, have a view. My view is that Transylvania has too many things which are valued by both Romania and Hungary. The real numbers show that 35% of Romanian GDP comes from the Transylvanian region, that is a lot of money.
For the most part, The real problems come from the question of "whose in charge here?" The simplest answer is that the people who lived in Transylvania voted to join Romania, in 1918. This was a national assemby held in Alba Iulia. This is true.
Transylvania is a place that continues to hold a lot of people fascinated, and they might be from Hungary or From Romania, but there is no place for being angry and laying blame on the decisions of the past.
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