Trayvon Martin: Why should I be OBJECTIVE when Black males are SUBJECTED TO BRUTALITY

There are too many Trayvon's

Kendrec McDade was gunned down recently by Pasadena, CA police officers. He was unarmed.
Kendrec McDade was gunned down recently by Pasadena, CA police officers. He was unarmed.
The Central Park 5 spent 12 years in prison for a crime they did not commit.
The Central Park 5 spent 12 years in prison for a crime they did not commit.
Charles Stuart murdered his pregnant wife and claimed it was a random black man.
Charles Stuart murdered his pregnant wife and claimed it was a random black man.

Arrest George Zimmerman

I read a question on hubpages that started this hub. It said: Can blacks be objective about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin?" Here is what most people do not understand about the black response to Trayvon Martin, it is not just about Trayvon. Why should I be objective when time-after-time black males are subjected to brutality. Trayvon Martin did not die in a vacuum. He's just another in a long list of African American males who have met their demise with no one held accountable and that includes black-on-black crime which I will handle as another issue. This is an issue of a system that has and always will exclude black males.

Look at the kid in Pasadena who was shot by police just the other day. A random person made a call about being robbed at gun point. Where was the due process for Kendrec McDade when the officer found him running? He didn't even yell freeze at the kid. He assumed he was "going for his waistband" and shot him. Now a promising young athlete is dead and the FBI is investigating. The 911 caller has been arrested and they wanted to charge him with manslaughter. How about charging the officer?

I wrote about this 22 years ago. In that case Charles Stuart drove his pregnant wife to a hospital for a check up in a rundown neighborhood. He made a 'wrong' turn and got lost. He called 911 on a cell phone and said that he had been shot and his wife was dead. He said a random black male had just appeared on the street and started shooting.

There was a national outcry over the case and the Boston Police Department was determined to find the killer. They basically went door-to-door taking young black males off the street and harassing them and their only probable cause was Stuart's statement and the fact that these men were black. They eventually arrested William Bennett and paraded him in front of the news cameras as the culprit.

However, there was a minor problem. Stuart had called his brother to the scene that night and given him a bag with a gun and his wife's jewelry. The brother felt guilty and told the police. Charles Stuart shot his wife and unborn child and then shot himself to hide his culpability. Stuart eventually committed the cowardly act of suicide.

Or, how about the case of the Central Park jogger. A group of young men--black and Hispanic--were out in the park doing what teens will do when they are together. They got into some mischief and during their time in the park, a young lady, Trisha Meili was brutally attacked and raped. These kids were taken to the police station where they were subjected to hours of coercive testimony and some of them confessed to the crime. They were convicted and sent to prison.

Antron McCray, Kevin Richardson, Raymond Santana, and Kharey Wise all spent 12 years in prison for a conviction that hinged only on their confessions. There was no DNA or anything else that tied them to this crime. The problem was that the New York City Police knew that there was serial rapists on the loose in the area at the time. They arrested him months later. He later confessed to the Central Park rape and officials ignored him. His DNA was left at the scene and the boys were released in 2002.

Yet, the collective voice of America condemned them and put them in prison for a crime they did not commit.

Let's not start talking about the cases in Chicago and California of abject police brutality, planting evidence, and even killing suspects. The case in Chicago caused the Illinois governor at the time to call for a moratorium on the death penalty and countless men were released from death row and the general population for crimes they did not commit. In California, men where shot and killed. Police officers were taking bribes and selling drugs. It closed the entire Rampart Division of the LAPD.

Stories like this have continued through out American history and what is amazing is it is still happening today. Trayvon Martin was 17-year-old BOY who the evidence shows was terrified of Zimmerman. He tried to run away and avoid a confrontation with him. Zimmeman's actions caused Trayvon's death. He should have been arrested at the scene. However, because of laws that we have in place, he was not. Now, people are claiming Zimmerman was defending himself. What about Trayvon Martin's rights to defend himself from being stalked.

I will become more objective when you subject yourself to questions about race and honestly answer them. I will become more objective when we stop subjecting young black men to a different system of justice than all others. I will become more objective when I can walk down the street and not be subjected to someone automatically suspecting me of a crime or the police pulling me over just because.

My question to you is this: If Trayvon Martin had shot George Zimmerman, would he now be arrested? ARREST GEORGE ZIMMERMAN and let a jury decide.

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Jenny 4 years ago

So I guess your hysterical answer is No, Blacks can't be objective. But I guess they're only objective on black on black crime which subjects more black males to brutality than nonblack on black crime. And statistics show that black on white crime is more prevalent than white on black crime but i guess you're not objective about that either. You are blind to your own hypocrisy.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

And what about white-on-white crime, which there is more of....C'mon man. I hate getting into these conversations because they are a tit-for-tat, however, please check the statistics and see that whites commit most of the crime America. Please!!! http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats. Can you be HONEST about that because that is a good place to start a discourse about race in America.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

habueld, sure whites do more crimes, the black population is only 17% of our total population, Wanna check statistics? Check on blacks verses white in prisons PER CAPITA, habueld you got a chip on your shoulder that you brought on yourself! (meaning African Americans) Slaves have been free now for almost 300 years! You have a black president, No where now to go but join society and be a normal red blooded American! Or you can continue with anger and malice and keep feeling sorry for yourself and pass these feelings down to your children like blacks have been doing for 300 years!..........keep yourself down or build yourself up! What direction are you heading! Many whites have been imprisoned on false conditions also! Its always funny to me when most of the time blacks scream foul the supposed innocent victim always has a criminal background! Look at Rodney King, I guess you think he was done wrong also? Rodney had a long list of convictions! He was pulled over for something minor, and I guess you think because of his skin color he got his ass whipped??? When was the last time you got dragged from a car and your ass whipped? I bet NEVER, your smarter than that! People who are in their homes by a decent hour, not in bad parts of town walking the streets, and not in places they need not be almost NEVER get arrested and shot, nor abused.................explain why that is??? Then think back on all the cases you wrote about!


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

What? The slaves were freed in 1865, by my count, that is 147 years. Again, Rodney King didn't happen in a vacuum. Read about Latasha Harlins. Rodney King was pulled over for leading the police on a 100 mph chase, I don't call that minor. Most of the people in our prisons are poor. Take a look at our public defender system and see how many cases actually go to trial. FYI: I work everyday to insure that minority children are not caught up in the judicial or welfare systems by educating their minds. What exactly is a normal, red blooded, American? Have you seen any of the racist comments that intelligent people have made about OUR President? I was pulled over three weeks ago and profiled by the CHP. I have complaint in. Your rhetoric is just that, give me some evidence and stop spouting untruths.


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feenix 4 years ago

Habueld,

This is somewhat of a correction to the comment made by my good friend, American Romance, and here goes:

Actually, blacks account for only about 13% of the U.S. population, yet about 50% of the murders committed in this country each year are committed by blacks -- and the vast majority of the victims are blacks.

Also, in Obama's adopted hometown, Chicago, the number of black-on-black homicides is presently 57% higher than it was at this point last year (2011).

Additionally, according to a study by Tuskegee University (a "traditionally black university"), from 1866 to 1972, or during a period spanning 86 years, it is estimated that the KKK murdered about 3850 blacks.

However, presently, blacks, themselves, murder about that many other blacks every six months (annually, blacks commit an average of about 7000 homicides, and well over 90% of the victims are other blacks).

I could cite plenty more statistics, but I will reveal them in my next hub, which I will publish in about two or three days.

But I will tell you this much about my upcoming hub: I will thoroughly cover the fact that compared to the number of black-on-black murders, the number of blacks killed by whites every year is a mere drop in the bucket.

I am also going to point out that, Obama, "YOUR president," hasn't done a damned thing to address blacks' stratospheric rates of violent crime. He has not used his bully pulpit as the "first black President of the U.S." to discourage black thugs from brutally victimizing other blacks, and from reeking havoc in general.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I did not google my numbers, only took a quick stab at what I believed to be a good guess! And I exagerated the 300 years to make a point! Might as well have been 300 cause its so far in the past there is not a person alive who remembers it! Thanks for the pertinent facts feenix,

habueld, How do you feel about feenix? Now here is a brother who doesn't support the Sharpton bullcrap! He is successful, bright! and tells it like it is! Do you want to call him names and get him outa da hood, so to speak? .........I"m really curious about that?


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

I didn't google numbers either, I learned when slaver ended in high school history. I don't get into the name calling. I don't listen to Sharpton either. I read, study and make my own decisions.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Again, white-on-white crime. You are comparing apples and oranges. Compare white-on-white crime to black-on-black crime and then I will listen to you.

The reason you can't compare it, is there is no comparison. Whites commit most of the crime in America.


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feenix 4 years ago

habueld,

Of course, I cannot tell you how you should see things and how you should think.

However, I will just say, I am an old-school brother who hung out in the streets of South-Central L.A., Watts and Compton way back in the day (1950s & 1960s). In fact, back in those days, such regions of L.A. as Inglewood, Gardena and Hawthorne were lily white -- they were not the black-and-brown gang-infested areas they are today.

Also, I got jumped and beaten up by racist white LAPD officers, L.A. County Sheriff deputies and CHP officers so many times I lost count. And I also got into a number of rumbles against the members of a tough white-racist street gang that existed back them called the "Spook Hunters."

But back in the day, things were much different from the way they are today. As examples, and opposite of what is presently the case, none of the public schools had security officers and metal detactors, because they did not need to take such measures -- people did not have to place heavy wrought-iron burlgar bars on their windows and doors, because they were not needed -- and black people could safely walk the streets, late at night, in almost all of the "ghettos."

Furthermore, back in those days, more than 80% of the black households with children were headed by married couples, compared to only 27% today. Only about 20% of black children were born out of wedlock, while more than 80% of them are born out of wedlock today.

In summation, during my lifetime, I have seen America's black society start down a road leading to self-destruction -- and one of the primary reasons why that society is self-destructing is such factions as so-called African-American leaders and left-wing, socialistic white liberals are constantly brainwashing millions of black people to view themselves as "victims who are under seige by whites."

Those factions have succeeded at sapping a major segment of black society of the strong senses of decency, self-reliance and self-determination that existed within its ranks during the 1960s and before.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

What does this have to do with comparing white-on-white crime to black-on-black crime? The same thing happened to white households over the same period. In those households where people are poor and there is a breakdown of family structure, crime increases and that is in every country, every race and in every culture in the world. Your point is?


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feenix 4 years ago

habueld,

You wrote, "...Whites commit most of the crime in America."

Damn, bro, that stands to reason. After all, whites account for about 70% of the US. population -- while blacks, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians and others, combined, account for only about 30% of the population.

And as I stated in one of my previous comments, although blacks account for only about 13% of the U.S. population, they commit about 50% of the homicides that are perpetrated in the nation each year -- and well over 90% of those murders are black-on-black in nature.

Another way to look at is, while whites account for about 70% of the population and blacks 13%, whites commit only about 45% of the murders each year (and those statistics include murders committed by Hispanics who are categorized as white) while blacks commit 50%.


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feenix 4 years ago

habueld,

You wrote, "What does this have to do with comparing white-on-white crime to black-on-black crime? The same thing happened to white households over the same period. In those households where people are poor and there is a breakdown of family structure, crime increases and that is in every country, every race and in every culture in the world. Your point is?"

Hey, man, by writing what you did, you have demonstrated that you do not have very much of a grasp on U.S. social and economic affairs.

Thus, I am out of here. I do not have the time get into an exchange with someone who is largely unaware of the socio-economic realities of contemporary U.S. society.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Good idea. And that is what happens when you don't research. You have no answers for tough questions. That is also what happens when you focus your attention on a one tree and not the forest. You see, if you look at the entire picture, including places where people have the same color skin, the poor always have more crime. It is the nature of survival. I am not justifying crime, but I am saying that it is a by-product of poverty. There are more murders, rapes, domestic abuse cases, and assaults in poor areas. Now, what I really want you to do is take your eyes off the tree of murder, and look at the forest of crime statistics and see the entire picture. Then look at all of the people who are committing these acts and are imprisoned for it and you will find that the VAST MAJORITY are poor.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Not to mention, uneducated, illiterate, and most were the victims of some form of abuse themselves. Not to mention, that most of our jails are filled with non-violent drug offenders of every race. Please read.


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feenix 4 years ago

habueld,

"Non-violent drug offenders?"

You are really naive, my man, and it is quite obvious that you do not know very much about the streets.

And look, I don't need you to tell me how to look at things. If I ever started doing as you say, I would be dumbing down at warp speed.

Finally, if my recollection is correct, you are a high-school teacher. Well, due to the fact that is the case, there is no wonder why ... er ... things are deteriorating as a rapidly as they are.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Dude,

You can insult me, call me names, or whatever, the facts remain that most people in our jails, men and women are nonviolent drug offenders. They were arrested for selling or possessing drugs. My students, at a Title 1 school, pass all state exams at a 75% rate. I am a reading, writing and ESL specialist.

Don't try to fear-monger me with the deterioration of society. I'm not scared. Truth is truth no matter where you find it and I understand that the truth hurts. However, as a former journalist/copy-editor, who worked almost 10-years for the Los Angeles Times, I know how to research. I have been doing it for many years and have a keen understanding of America's and the world's socioeconomic problems. Part of that understanding comes from having lived, wrote, and taught in Guatemala for three years. Putting me down does not affect me in the least. As a matter of fact, I see it as a sign that my points are valid and you have no evidence to refute them.

However, I will not insult you because it defeats the purpose of intelligent dialogue.


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feenix 4 years ago

habueld,

This whole thing has gotten very silly.

You and I are coming off like a couple of school boys, grandstanding about who's the coolest and who's had the most conquests, and stuff like that.

So, now, I really am through with it.



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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Good, now we can have an honest conversation about this topic based on facts and not rhetoric or innuendo.

Peace


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junko 4 years ago

habueld, I gave you a follow and a positive comment on your Martin hub, than I took back my follow. I decided not to follow you because I thought you thought yourself an elite writer who was selective about who he reads and follow. I've often said myself,first impressions are not reliable. You are an outstanding young man and Iam proud of you for chasing off those two weak minded bullies. I will again follow you, and thank you for what you do.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

@Junko, Thanks for the compliment. I don't think I'm anything. I am just tired of people making comments that have no factual basis and then insulting me and making judgements about my character even though they don't know me. I'm sorry if I offended.


Savannah5 4 years ago

Although this is a sad scenario, it gives the young people a chance to somewhat experience what their parents and grandparents refer to. A peek into the past! Who said racism was dead?


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Sherry Hewins 4 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

Thank you for writing this hub, I appreciate your point of view.


Sergio 4 years ago

I just want to say to every body do youll think if geroge did not have a gun do you think he would get out of his car and run after trayvon and to start something with trayvon. I think thats something to think about.


Sergio 4 years ago

I just want to say to every body do youll think if geroge did not have a gun do you think he would get out of his car and run after trayvon and to start something with trayvon. I think thats something to think about.


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kkingcrabb 4 years ago from Georgetown, S.C.

Reading your hub I have come to realize you are a racistand you probably don't even realize it. If you were not then it would not matter to you what color any person is that commits a crime. By labeling it "white" or "black" crime you just prove yourself to be a racist and you are speaking out against actions and words of others when your words are no different. Crime is crime doesn't matter if you are white, black, red, yellow, tan or even purple. The fact that you separated crime into racial categories goes to show that you are the true racist.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Again, my question to you is if crime is just crime, why is it that black people make up only 17% of the American population but they make up almost 50% of the prison population?


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kkingcrabb 4 years ago from Georgetown, S.C.

You are not providing any information on the types of crimes habueld, blacks make up 50% of the prison system because they commit more violent crimes. The statistics may show that whites commit more crime but the types of crimes they committed makes a difference in whether they are incarcerated or placed on probation. You put these numbers up and you seperate them into racial categories but you do not break down the types of crimes that were committed.

This is how people get brainwashed into thinking "the man" is out to get us and hold us down.

You say that you are a teacher and you have a college education and that you are a professional writer, it's apparent to me that you used the opportunities presented to you to get an education and better yourself. Everyone of these people in this prison system had the same opportunity you did and did not take advantage of it. The things you write serve only to anger the people of your race and reinforce the idea they have had instilled in them from birth by well meaning white liberals and blacks who profit from racism that "whitey" is holding you down. Did the "white man" hold you down? Looks to me like you are doing pretty good for yourself.

This is never going to stop as long as people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (and you)keep telling the black youth of America they are being discriminated against. Get the chip off of your shoulder man this isn't the 50's, we have a black president, millions of blacks go to college every year, thousands are professional athletes and makes millions of dollars, they are doctors, lawyers, senators, CEOs of major corporations, movie stars, teachers, managers, police officers, govenors, pilots, soldiers, ect..

Do we still have racism in our country sure we do, and it is a two way street. I myself was just recently working a security job at a mill where I was the only white person employed at this site by the contractor. I was repeatedly not referred to by name only that "white boy" by my supervisor and several other fellow security officers. I was given the worst shifts, I was made to come in on less than 30 minutes notice to cover a shift left open, and then instead of those being overtime she would take a different day off of my schedule and give it to the person that layed out so they would get their 40 hours. I was written up twice on the same day for coming to work on a day I was scheduled to work, yet I did not know the mill was closed. I sat at my post for 5 hours without pay, because one of the other employees told me yes I was scheduled and I was supposed to work, the black guy that told me to come in never got written up. My supervisor constantly berated and belittled me and wrote me up at every opportunity, while the rest got to do pretty much what they pleased with out fear of reprisal.

I wrote a letter to the corporate office explaining in detail the incidents which had occurred during my employment there, two days later I was called into my supervisors office and asked if I wrote a letter to the corporate office, when I said yes she got irate and told me my services were no longer needed.

I went to complain at several government agencies and they laughed me out of the room because I was a white male claiming that I was discriminated against by a black female.

Racism is not a black problem my friend it is a global problem.


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habueld 4 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Ok, so let's break down the statistics. Black people commit over half the murders in this country and 93% of those are committed against other black people. White people commit the other half. However, in every other category including assault, rape, armed robbery, and theft the ratio is white people 2 black people one. In every category.

I teach kids every day and we try to give them the same opportunity, but the truth is that the opportunities are completely different. Some kids are more intelligent than others. Their environment has a lot to do with how prepared to learn they are when they get to school. Whether or not they can read and write at their grade level is a huge indicator of their future success. So saying that we all had the same opportunity is like sticking your head in the sand. Most of the people in prison have several things in common--they are poor, functionally illiterate, and usually have suffered some kind of abuse at the hands of their caretakers. And now most of them are non-violent drug users or sellers. Most are addicted to something.

I agree with you that black people have made great strides, but you can't equate that with the fact that things like Trayvon Martin and several other incidents just in the last few months because they have happened throughout history. Black people had to fight for all of those things that you mentioned they have obtained. How tragic is that considered that my ancestors go back in this country over 4 generations.

I'm glad that you reported your bosses and fellow employees, but I'm just wondering if this is happening to you because their are bad people in leadership in your profession? I'm also wondering if it happens more to people who look like you than to people who look like me or my ex-wife who was Guatemalan?

Discrimination anywhere is bad, but you missed my point. I'm mad because I've seen too many injustices like the one that happened to you.


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kkingcrabb 4 years ago from Georgetown, S.C.

Zimmerman did not hunt down Martin because he was black you can listen to the tape and hear that the 911 operator had to ask him what color he was and he said "he looks black", which indicates that he wasn't sure and in fact could have been hispanic, would it have been the same outcry if he had killed another hispanic? You said you live or lived in LA how many blacks kill hispanics everyday in LA and are never even found much less arrested? We never hear anything about that why?


B-Dawg 4 years ago

I have been studying race for 6 years. From what I have seen with my eyes blac people are much much more hostile and racist towards whites than vise versa. Does that make white people less racist? Not necessarily. The reason why blacks are the victim of so much crime is because so many of them live in very dangerous areas. A white man would not last 5 minutes in these neighborhoods. In todays world black skin is good for protection. People are much less likely to mess with you if you are black in most areas. In fact I think the best way to punish a black thug would be to turn him into a white man. I also think that if the white man was smart he would spray tan his skin black. I think black skin would really help the white man. As for Trayvon Martin, I ask myself this question what if Zimmerman was black? Maybe Martin would have respected his authority more. I honestly don't think Zimmerman just shot him for no reason. This is 2012 not 1912. If Zimmerman was black, Martin would have trusted him more and everything would have went smooth. If there is one thing in america I would not want to be is a white policeman. They need more black policeman. A white policeman is considered a racist coming out of the womb. Black skin is needed in the white community. Spray tan! Darhin up whitey darkin up.peace.


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Richard Edwin 3 years ago from Toronto, Ontario

Good Article Brother, keep it up. Just ignore people trying to suck your energy.

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