Two White Men Go On A Rampage Killing Blacks

Left Jake England, Right Alvin Watts
Left Jake England, Right Alvin Watts

Racial Revenge

copyright 2012 VVeasey Publishing

04/09/12

Two men, Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, were arrested by Tulsa, Oklahoma police as suspects in killing of 3 people and the wounding of 2 others. Police discribe the shooters as white and the victims as black. They plan to charge the shooters with murder and other charges. The victims were apparently chosen at random as revenge killings for the death of England's father. According to the, Tulsa Word, England's father was shot in the chest fighting an intruder who broke into his sister's house. His father was killed.The intruder was black. Therefore the revenge.

The intruder is currently serving time for the crime.


It Hard Not To Go Off!

England wrote on his Facebook page "It's hard not to go off," given the anniversary and the death of his fiancée earlier this year. His fiancée killed herself in January they'd recently had a baby.

Family friend, Susan Sevenstar, states England is a Cherokee Indian, that the shooting were not a racial thing, that "He didn't care what your color was. It wasn't a racist thing." (as if Cherokee Indians can't be racist. They owned black slaves during the slavery era).


Facebook Update

In an update, Thursday, on his Facebook page, England blamed his father death on a black man, referring to him using a popular racial slur (sounds racial to me). Then Watts and England go and seek-out and shoot innocent black victims! So much for the shootings weren't a racial thing.

Coming on the heels of the Trayvon Martin killing, I'm sure many blacks feel safer knowing that these killings "weren't a racist thing".

There are many people like Susan Sevenstar, well-meaning, but have their heads in sand when it comes to race and don't want to see the obvious. They want to attribute the motives for these crimes to anything but race. It's like they have a racial phobia.

I would say that if England used a racial slur on his Facebook page, where the whole world can read it. He used it in his daily life too, around family and friends. Maybe he was so torn-up and distraught over his father's death, that it caused him to use a racial slur and kill innocent black people who had nothing to do with his father's death. That would still make these racial crimes wouldn't it?.


Nine Point Six Million Dollar Bond

England and Watts were held on a 9.16 million dollar bond each. They were charged with three counts of murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill.Good! We can't have people going out randomly shooting people because they're mad can we? I thought you'd agree!

Were these racial crimes?

What's your view on the subject?

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cynamans 4 years ago from Washington DC

Hello weasey.

I found your hub very interesting. Race is always a hard topic to talk or write about. this story is very sad. I think it speaks to a bigger problem within our society today. There is just too much stereotyping and racial profilling going on, that it creates tragedies like the two cases mentioned in your hub. People are not just groups. they are individuals first. If someone decides to go out and commit a crime no one else should be blamed for it except the criminal who did it. the same can be said in the trayvon martin tragedy. if someones racially profiles someone and kills them than that person should be held reponsible, not there community or race but I do agree with you that racism is still an ongoing problem within our society. voted up and interesting.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I too liked your hub, I found it interesting how strongly you oppose racial hate! I wonder why you don't write about blacks killing whites? This side is much much larger than whites killing blacks? I believe the two you wrote about should be hung by a rope! But as you stated the racial tones over Trayvon need to be dismissed and writing a hub of this nature doesn't help the cause for either side!


naebugii 4 years ago

i really liked this hub. there is one question that should be acknowledged though. if the man that killed england's father is in jail, why go out and kill someone? anyone? there must be some connection between england and these men,that just so happened to be black! cases like these are labelled as racist because of the evidence given that these were in fact racist people. when people start acknowledging these cases for what they really are they can move. it couldn't be more obvious that the trevon martin case was based off race. as for this case, until they case find some evidence that these black men did anything to harm england and watts in any way, the already obvious evidence remains. this is in fact a racist case.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

cynamans

thanks for your comments I agree with what you wrote


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

naebugii

I agree


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

American Romance

thanks for your comments

I wrote about this case because it's a big story in the news. If there were a big story about blacks killing whites in the news I would write about that.

What facts or evidence do you have to support your claim that blacks killing whites is much larger than whites killing blacks?


saddenedandsicken 4 years ago

If only idiots would go after the exact same people who have harmed them. For me, racism is still involved. He still took this crap out on people who were of the shade he was looking for. I just hope he receives the death penalty. He'll be able to visit his father up close and personal. But I'll bet some will still sympathize with him. Though he is leaving groups of people to mourn their friends and loved ones.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

saddenedandsicken

"If only idiots would go after the exact same people who have harmed them"

That's the point that's makes this a racial crime. They just wanted to kill some black people. It didn't matter which black person they killed because they're all one and the same and all guilty of a crime anyone of them commits.

Of course some will still side with them because some people would rather blame this crime on anything, no matter how crazy, but racism so plain and simple a blind man could see it.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

I don't have facts concerning blacks killing whites, but I have seen facts concerning black rape against white women versus black women being raped by white men! I assume the murder rape would be the same! Also per capita I do know there are more blacks in prison than whites. Common sense tells me I am right.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

American Romance

why does it seem it's so important for you to do all of this comparing about how many white women are raped by black men vs white men raping black women?

Lets say what you say is true. What does that have to do with how many whites are killed by black people?

You say "I assume the murder rape would be the same!" You have same serious flaws in your thinking and belief systems.

Why is that it seems so important for you to change the focus from the racial crime these guys committed to how many whites are killed by blacks, which you have no facts or evidence for, or nothing to back that claim up, except what you seem to want to believe and what you call common sense?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

American Romance

I forgot to add this one.

You say "Also per capita I do know there are more blacks in prison than whites". Let's say that's true. Are they all in prison for killing white people? I think we know the answer to that question is no.

Since you've made a statement you seem to unquestionably believe "I wonder why you don't write about blacks killing whites? This side is much much larger than whites killing blacks?" (for which you have no proof), you're now fishing for other statements, that have nothing to do with your original claim, to try to back up that statement. Why is that?


quickvue 4 years ago

@VVeasey: WE all know what side of the track American Romance is on. "All my life I had to fight." I just had to go "Color Purple". LOL. Mayou Angelo once said "If someone tells you who they are, believe them. American Romance is telling us who he is. Believe him!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

quickvue

Thanks for Your viewpoint

I agree American Romance

can't help but tell us who is because he's one of those angry white guys who's only concern is about what he

fantasizes is how blacks are always crying about racism

when it's blacks who are really creating racial problems where there are none

And the poor ole white guys like him are pissed-off and tired of being unfairly blamed as racists when it's really blacks who are the racists

But he has no facts to back up his fantasies, only what he calls "common sense" LOL


B-Dawg 3 years ago

VVeasy,

I see black skin for what it TRULY and I do mean TRULY is. A shield. Black skin in today's world is like a condom and I am not afraid to tell people who are not blessed with pigmentation in their skin. I am a baby of this particular movement. White women are choosing to have kids with black partners so their kids will have this protection. This is called the race change movement. White babies are not made under this plan. We believe the white man has too many enemies and pigmentation is the way out. It is under the radar but it happens more than you think. Peace.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

B-Dawg

this is the most irrational thing I've heard. I'm sure you have convinced yourself what you say is true....I ask you again and you haven't answer this question yet. You said black skin was protective so why didn't it protect Trayvon Martin, why is he dead?


B-Dawg 3 years ago

vv easey,

Unfortunately it did not protect Mr. Martin. I was not there but I can assure you a white man is more likely to get raped in prison, robbed or even killed. Black on black crime happens in areas where ther are no whites to victimize. Interacial crime blacks are more likely to attack a white than vise versa. A white criminal will almost always attack another white person instead of a black person. I have noticed that people are harder on white people. Why? In my opinion because he is looked at as weaker.

I have no idea what happened with Trayvon Martin. There are things you have to be careful of even when you are black. Black skin is not PERFECT for protection. You are more likely to be targeted if you have white skin. Most whites don't live in high crime areas. But if they did they would last a lot longer if they had some pigmentation. It sounds like George Zimmerman approached him did not properly identify himself and Martin thought he was a thug fought him and got shot. Zimmerman should not have had a gun. Maybe pepper spray. It is a very unfortunate situation. Trayvon Martin will have the black community behind him and The NAACP lawyers to guarantee justice is served in this case. If I was murdered I would be at peace knowing the black community and the good lawyers it has will be fighting for me. If a POOR white person or POOR hispanic person was screwed over like that I don't know that it would generate the same public outrage. That is my take Peace.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

B-Dawg

You whole theory and way of thinking about this is false.

You can't explain why Trayvon Martin is dead even though he had the so-called protective black skin.

So now you switch to how many white men compared to black men get raped in prison! What does this have to do with anything?

And how do you know this?

Another thing that shows your whole racial thinking is biased and unrealistic is that, there were whites, blacks, and many others protesting the killing of Trayvon Martin and the non Arrest of George Zimmerman for the killing, but you only chosse to look at the blacks who were protesting.

Black skin didn't protect millions of Africans from being enslaved and mistreated for four hundred years in this country and other european countries

Or thousands of American black men from being lynched during the fight for civil rights.

There were also hundreds of white civil rights workers who were beaten or killed.

So this is not just a white against black thing.

So wake the hell up and get your head out of the sand


Rick 3 years ago

This is a rare case. If white people went around killing a few blacks every time a black person committed a crime, there wouldn't be any left.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rick

who said it was a common occurrence?


Shay 3 years ago

okay, don’t get me wrong, I’m not racist

K look i know the title sounds ridiculously discriminating BUT I HAVE REASONS

TODAY i went to the Garden State Plaza mall and bought loads of things. being a broke ass gook i obviously didn’t spend a lot, thank god.

$4 bikini top, $5 lace shirt, $20 knitted sweater, $15 jeans and $8 worth of jewelry

a total of 52 dollars.

which wasn’t that bad at all.

HAH, but the thing is, as soon as I meet up with my mom, we go to this store called Love COUTURE or some name like that. i find a shirt, leave my bags for literally 7 SECONDS. as i’m on my way to go back to my belongings, i see some white cunt frantically walk out of the store, and i recognize the bag. it was MY bag. the same fucking bag with all my shit in it. of course, i’m not going to shallowly assume that this white bitch took my things, cuz come on, aren’t people actually supposed to have morals? so i run quickly back to my belongings and shit, it’s not there. that bitch stole everything. like what in the name of all things that are magical, what kind of middle-aged blondie takes an asian teenager’s things? anyway, i run out and bam, she’s gone.

my mother who sympathized with me re-bought all the cheap things like the bikini and shirt, but i still couldn’t get over how people could do such a thing.

white people.

i hope she dies early.


Rick 3 years ago

While it will chill the blood of liberals, I will break it down for you: Black people hate white people. Certainly, there are some who have broken the hate for whites that nearly every black person learns from an early age. But nearly every black person in America has an ingrained hatred for white people. Black people can be civil towards whites in work and at play but never let yourself believe your black acquaintances don’t really hate your white guts deep down.

How do I know this? Simple! I have made the same comment to black acquaintances of mine and they were honest enough to answer that I was correct. Just yesterday, I had a conversation with two professional black men I like very much and consider to be friends…not extremely close friends…but friends nonetheless. Our conversation began on politics but quickly jumped to race relations in the United States. Both are staunch Democrats and view the tea party movement (which they know I am a part of) as a racist group. Both support Obama and big government even though, as I explained, the government takes money from their pockets as producers and gives it to moochers. I mentioned that I believe white people embrace the dream of a race-neutral society of Martin Luther King more than blacks. Most white people do not understand why in the year 2012 there is a NAACP, BET, Miss Black Universe, etc. I believe most white people try to judge others on their actions. Both black friends believed that another white friend present and I were beneficiaries of white privilege. My friend explained that he was not granted school loans because he was white when he came from a very poor single-parent home. After he graduated, he took a state police exam where the highest 300 scores were accepted. 1100 took the test. My white friend’s score was 179. He was in. Right? Wrong! After the state applied the race curve that improved the scores of lower scoring minorities, my friend’s rank was in the 800s. No job with the state police. What did he do wrong? He was white. I mentioned to my black friends that I cannot do business with local city and counties because they prefer and accept bids from minority contractors, even though they cannot compete on a service or price basis with the company where I am employed. So much for white privilege! My black friends said there were many years where blacks were treated unfairly by Jim Crow laws and it was payback for those times. My white friend asked how long he and his son and future white generations would have to pay for things done before he was born? Very few blacks who suffered under Jim Crow laws are even alive today and certainly the young black thugs who commit such a great number of crimes today was ever a slave or forced to drink out of a separate water fountain.

We then discussed the actions of young blacks today and if black Americans were better off today than they were in the sixties before the Great Society reparations began? I said I believe you cannot give someone something for nothing and expect any good to come from it. Generations of blacks have now been told they are victims, whites are evil and blacks are entitled to free money, housing and everything else when very few blacks alive today have ever faced systematic discrimination. If they have faced discrimination it is because responsible blacks are grouped with the great many blacks in America that cause such tremendous crime and problems. I also added that if I was held responsible for actions I did not commit by members of my race long ago, shouldn’t it be fair for my two black friends to be held responsible for the black thugs and criminals? It’s simple logic but not so easy under the laws of political correctness.

50 years of welfare, social programs and excuses has had a tremendously negative effect on the black race in America. Blacks under perform nearly across the board when compared with other races. Why? Political correctness, liberal politics, ignorance and hate. It is easier for blacks, as a whole, to blame their station in society on white people for slavery than it is to blame themselves for making bad life decisions. Most people who are not black are taught actions have consequences. Young blacks are taught they can do or say whatever and they will be excused. This is why we are seeing a growing number of brazen attacks by groups of young blacks on whites these days. These young black thugs believe there will be no consequences. But there are consequences, even in the ridiculous world of political correctness. That is why such a large percentage of prisoners are black. Political correctness tells us it’s because of racist judges, police and laws…but the realistic know it is simply because so many blacks commit crimes.

Look at how so many young blacks look and act today. Wearing pants below their asses, tattoos, speaking filthy language or ebonics, loud, immoral, violent, sullen…..it that what Martin Luther King dreamed?


Rick 3 years ago

I don’t know if blacks can ever escape the ghetto mentality of white hatred that is so ingrained in their community. But I know this….blacks are the only ones who can help blacks. I am not responsible for slavery any more than my honorable black friends are responsible for Beat Whitey Night at the Iowa state fair. I cannot save blacks nor can my tax dollars. Hatred, violence, ignorance and laziness is the hallmark of the American black race in general. Many have escaped the chains of ghetto culture to enjoy the benefits of hard work, sacrifice, achievement and wealth. But far too many are chained to poverty and ignorance by the slave master….and they don’t even realize the slave master is black!

I’m glad so many white people are starting to let their voices be heard concerning racial issues. Political correctness has for too long forced us to sit back like whipped dogs and not comment or complain about what we see going on around us lest we be racist. Why must we walk on eggshells to not offend the perpetually offended when their actions are offensive!?! Nuts to that! Say it loud, I’m not politically correct and proud!


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rick

I can sympathize with some of what you say but you are definitely racially biased.

You think all black people live in the "hood"?

You think all classes of black people have the same values? (These are not rhetorical questions)

Rich and middle class blacks have more in common value wise, with rich and middle class whites, generally speaking , than they do with blacks in the lower economic classes.

As I said generally speaking, you can always find exceptions to any rule.

You say "Certainly, there are some who have broken the hate for whites that nearly every black person learns from an early age"

How do you know that nearly every black person learns this from an early age? (This is not a rhetorical question)

I'm black I didn't teach my kids to hate white people. I have white in-laws, white friends etc. and I know many others who look to get along with all people if possible.

You say "Look at how so many young blacks look and act today. Wearing pants below their asses, tattoos, speaking filthy language or ebonics, loud, immoral, violent, sullen"

that's a part of hip hop culture, there are blacks, whites, latinos, young people around the globe involved in that culture.

Should I lump all white people including the tea party, together with neo-nazis, white supremacists and the klan because of the racist history and attitudes these white groups hold toward blacks and any non-white people today?


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rick

There are some black people that share your racial views in reverse

" nearly every white person in America has an ingrained hatred for black people. White people can be civil towards blacks in work and at play but never let yourself believe your white acquaintances don’t really hate your black guts deep down".

So, you, they and those who think like yall are the real problem with yall's biased, racist views that help keep this racist sh*t going.


Jeff 3 years ago

Hey everybody!! Just wanted to share this interview with Morgan Freeman....

Interviewer: Black history month you find…

Morgan Freeman: Ridiculous.

Interviewer: Why?

Morgan Freeman: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

Interviewer: Oh, come on.

Morgan Freeman: What do you do with yours? Which month is white history month?

Interviewer:(pause) Well, I’m Jewish.

Morgan Freeman: Okay. Which month is Jewish history month?

Interviewer: There isn’t one.

Morgan Freeman: Oh, oh. Why not? Do you want one?

Interviewer: No.

Morgan Freeman: Right. I don’t either.I don’t want a black history month. Black history is American history.

Interviewer: How are we going to get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it.

That is all.


john 3 years ago

you said in your article: innocent black people. im sorry but there are no innocent black people


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

john

Hahahaha...man are you stupid


Mark 3 years ago

1) More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year.

2) Blacks murder Whites at 18 times [1,800%] the rate Whites murder Blacks, and many of the "whites" that do murder blacks are Hispanics (part Native American/part Spanish).

3) About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992.

4) In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S.

5) Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than Whites the same age.

6) Some 90% of the victims of race crimes are Whites.

7) Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.

8) On a per-capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crimes than Whites.

9) Some 27 million nonviolent crimes were committed in the U.S. in 1992 alone. 31% of the robberies involved Black offenders and White victims; only 2% involved White offenders and Black victims.

10) 1.3 million of the 6.6 million violent crimes committed in the U.S. each year are interracial. 11) Between 1964 and 1994, more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders in the U.S., compared to 58,000 Americans killed in Vietnam and 38,000 killed in Korea. Over 95% of these interracial murders were blacks killing whites.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

Interesting statistics

The only problem with them, is they aren't specific. It's the age old problem of lumping all classes of "Blacks" together as a monolithic mass.

Are these statistics about the poverty ridden class of blacks? The working class of "blacks"? The middle class of "blacks"? The upper middle class of "blacks"? Rich wealthy class of "blacks"? Highly educated class of "blacks"? is about "black" elected officials?

Some people even include President Obama as a criminal or even the Antichrist.

These statistics themselves can be an expression of racial prejudice, perceiving, and prejudging all "black" individuals and classes as being the same. When you've seen one you've seen them all.

I'm not saying that all of the statistics are invalid or that they don't apply to certain classes of "black" people. I'm just a throwing different light on how you may want to look at the subject and take all of this into consideration when talking about statistics.

Do you really think that statistics matter to the families who loved ones were killed?


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SpanStar 3 years ago

Under no circumstances were the action of these 2 individuals made any sense to a rational person. There desperately needs to be some psychological treatment for the parties involved. Are we supposed to believe that if one's mother's punishes their offspring it then is okay to walk down the neighborhood and shoot whom ever they feel like-that is insanity.

Are we to believe that these 2 people have been the only people affected by injustice? Just what kind of low self-esteem does one have to have to randomly kill someone you don't know and never met?

This kind of atrocity is similar to the hatred generated by the Germans towards the Jews, innocent men, children, women tortured, brutalized and murdered for reasons that cannot be understood by a rational mind.


F John 3 years ago

These 2 white men my heroes for ridding the world of 3 worthless human beings.


Jim Rustles 2 years ago

I wish they killed a dozen or two more, the world would be a slightly better place.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

What SpanStar said:

Under no circumstances were the action of these 2 individuals made any sense to a rational person. There desperately needs to be some psychological treatment for the parties involved. Are we supposed to believe that if one's mother's punishes their offspring it then is okay to walk down the neighborhood and shoot whomever they feel like-that is insanity.

Are we to believe that these 2 people have been the only people affected by injustice? Just what kind of low self-esteem does one have to have to randomly kill someone you don't know and never met?

This kind of atrocity is similar to the hatred generated by the Germans towards the Jews, innocent men, children, women tortured, brutalized and murdered for reasons that cannot be understood by a rational mind

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