Unbelievablely Stupid Political Ads: Do You Buy Into Them or Laugh at Them? [152*8]

HERE IS WHAT A STUPID MISLEADING GUILELESS POLITICAL AD LOOKS LIKE

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FIRST, TO ANSWER THE AD'S QUESTION - OF COURSE YOU CAN, ANY THINKING PERSON KNOWS THAT! Thinking people read the Act. Thinking people understood that the Act said THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD INSURANCE AND CHOSE NOT TO BUY IT MUST PAY THE TAX, so BY DEFINITION, THEY CAN AFFORD THE TAX, DUH. Didn't the people who wrote this question read the Patient Protection and Affordability Care Act, otherwise proudly known as Obamacare? Didn't they read the majority opinion of the Supreme Court written by Chief Justice John Roberts? Hell, didn't they read my hub OBAMACARE IS CONSTITUTIONAL!!! Do You Agree?, that should have sealed the deal, lol.

OK, I am out of my own hyperbole. If you click on the real ad pictured to the right, it will take you to a conservative site where they will rail against Obamacare and fill with so much bulls ... pucky that your eyes will turn brown. So here is the REAL truth of the matter; fortunately, along with being the truth, it is very simple to understand.

There is, as is normally the case, a kernal of truth, in any wild, misleading claim question such as what is displayed here. Even though it starts with the truth, there is a tax factor in Obamacare, it is quickly twisted into a big, fat, pants-on-fire Lie by implying all of Obamacare is a tax and that Everybody has to pay ... simply NOT TRUE and here is why.

The portion of Obamacare that IS a tax is that portion where people who could otherwise AFFORD to buy insurance CHOOSE not to do so and therefore INCREASE the taxes on the rest of us to PAY for THEIR care when they end up going to the emergency room. It is ONLY in this case where the purchase of insurance, or payment of a penalty, is considered a tax!

IN ALL OTHER CASES WHERE PEOPLE PURCHASE INSURANCE, IT IS NOT A TAX. (emphasis added, lol)

Now, to the question of affordability. By definition, it is affordable because the only people who are being taxed are those who could have afforded to buy insurance in the first place but chose to free-load off of society instead.

I hope this clears this rediculous ad up.

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Steve Orion profile image

Steve Orion 4 years ago from Tampa, Florida

Unfortunately, no amount of hubs will "clear up" the ignorant BS advertisements released by these people. I've seen them, in multiple forms on multiple sites, and always shake my head. I know, as they do, that your average, stupid internet dweller will click on it with interest and be sucked into exactly what you've described.

Education is key to making informed decisions, and is the enemy to them.


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

I don't buy your analogy...if the government requires everyone to purchase insurance, that requirement becomes a tax whether we can afford it or not. There is no longer a basis for a mandate under the Commerce Clause. To cite those ads as misleading while ignoring the method in which this legislation became law does not reflect much appreciation of "representation of the people" for there are a number on the Left who would not have voted for this legislation had it been portrayed as a "tax" in the first place. To go forward with this and construe that the only tax there is the penalty levied on that people who cannot afford it matters little...it is still a tax and it was enacted without due process in the legislative branch. It is okay to mislead and lie about that as long as the objective is accomplished I must assume from your position here. WB


HSchneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

The GOP has no shame and will transmit any lie to get their people elected. They arwe pouring millions of corporate money into this election to make that happen. They feel hammering lies on this issue is now the best way. Same old horrid story. Great Hub and polls, My Esoteric.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thanks all for your comments.

Wayne, it isn't an analogy, it is fact ... read Roberts' opinion or the dissenting Justices for that matter, both of their arguments hinge on the "penalty" and the individual mandate for those who choose not to buy insurance in the first place, and that is a critical difference that all of the Justices understand and accept.

It was not a tax on me two weeks ago to own a health insurance policy, and just because Obamacare was found Constitutional on the basis of Congresses ability to Lay and Collect taxes for non-compliance, doesn't make my purchase of it a tax now, IF it isn't done under duress. It only becomes a tax when I am Forced to buy it.


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adjkp25 4 years ago from Northern California

I'm with Steve Orion on this one. Too many people are like lemmings and will just follow whatever someone tells them to believe.

If more people would do their own research they would be very surprised to see how twisted some things have become.


Wizard Of Whimsy profile image

Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

Take about misleading, like most on the conservative right, Wayne doesn't care about the inequality or the injustice of our health care.

"America's health care system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system." - Walter Cronkite

How long has he been dead?


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Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

I don't think anyone "likes" paying taxes, but I'm more than happy to contribute to this country for everything I get back...


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I am with you Wizard and ADJKP25, those lemmings are sometimes called Right-wing Authoritarian (RWA) followers. I have a hub about them.


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MizBejabbers 4 years ago from Arkansas

What is wrong with a penalty on people who refuse to become insured? I hear the antis complaining because they don't have a choice. We gainfully employed and insured people pay indirectly for these peoples' visits to the emergency room. That would be equivalent to a tax on us to benefit them, but I don't hear any conservatives bellyaching about that. I have a son with an incurable autoimmune disease. Right now he is going back to college (rehab is helping pay for this) for a degree that will enable him to continue working instead of going on disability. He is permanently uninsurable, but under Obamacare he will have insurance. We are so thankful for this. The antis just don't seem to realize that they can be out of work and uninsured just as easily. But I guess they expect us to pick up their medical tab so they, not us, can have a choice.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

And what is worse, MizB is that these same people could afford the insurance they aren't buying; which makes their freeloading that much more disgusting.


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

Technically it may not be a tax, but from the point of view of my checking account it is indistinguishable from a tax. LEt me give you an example:

Every year I must purchase new license tabs for my vehicle. In most states this is a non deductible "fee" as opposed to a tax. (In Minnesota a portion of the fee is based on the vehicles value and that part is considered by the IRS to be a "tax" and is deductible.) Now the government requires me to pay the fee. From my point of view I can detect no difference between paying the government a "fee" and paying the government a "tax" - I have less money in the bank.

The government, on the other hand, finds this difference to be huge. So I'm supposed to feel relieved that all I am paying is a "fee" as opposed to a "tax." Maybe on some other planet ...


Wizard Of Whimsy profile image

Wizard Of Whimsy 4 years ago from The Sapphire City

DavesWorld is really just that—self-centered and self-referencial. Dave totally discounts the fact that healthcare costs will drop for all Americans over time.

IT'S NOT A "TAX"! IT'S A FINE FOR FREELOADING! IT WILL BE DEPOSITED IN A FUND TO HELP DEFRAY THE HIGHER HEALTHCARE AND INSURANCE COSTS ALL RESPONSIBLE AMERICANS PAY, EVERY TIME AN UNINSURED FREELOADER (TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN?) CONSUMES ULTRA-EXPENSIVE EMERGENCY CARE THEY CAN'T PAY FOR. TOTALLY FAIR AND SENSIBLE.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Davesworld, I am not clear, as to which you consider a tax, is it the purchase of ANY health insurance for any reason, or only health insurance or the penalty when you are not inclined to buy it in the first place?

Your analogy with a license fee only partly holds up. The use of a vehicle is totally voluntary and the purchase of the vehicle tag is instant with the use of the tag; don't buy the tag, you can't use the vehicle, plain and simple.

The same logic doesn't apply to health care. Previously, you could choose not to buy health insurance, even though you could afford to, but, if you if had an emergency need for health care, it CAN NOT be DENIED you; and that is the critical difference where you analogy fails.

If you could be turned away at the hospital or ambulance door, just leave you lying on the side of the road after an accident, as it were, then you have a good point; but, we don't do that in our society.


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

ALL, while I agree with your position and know that capitalization is about the only way to emphasize things in comments, I would appreciate not turning it into yelling, no matter how frustrated you get. :-)


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MizBejabbers 4 years ago from Arkansas

Commenting on the comments saying these people need education: these people don't let a few "educated" facts get in their way. That's the pity.

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