University Study Shows People With Lower IQ's Are Political Conservatives

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Churchill

What IQ (intelligence quotient) means:

IQ means, "An intelligence test score that is obtained by dividing mental age, which reflects the age-graded level of performance as derived from population norms, by chronological age and multiplying by 100: a score of 100 thus indicates a performance at exactly the normal level for that age group."

The Nature Of Conservatives And Liberals

The article above suggests that conservatives attempt to live within a previously standardized mode of thought. They are not ones to step outside conventional and traditional beliefs. Their tendency is to try to destroy what they do not understand because change and evolution scare them. They are concerned only for themselves and their families. They like the institutions of the past for no other reason than they are of the past. This is why so many of them who are not wealthy are okay with the wealthy being given big tax breaks. And since they are fine with the trickle-down theory of economics they are happy to have big oil rape the American people at the gas pump and they don't care if the thieves of Wall Street take all the economic freedoms away from us. They don't mind not giving medical care to those in need, because they only care about themselves. They don't mind if children die of starvation, because they are well-fed.

Liberals, on the other hand, recognize that if everyone is not taken care of, it makes the world unsafe for all of us. They don't see elitism as a measure of a person's value, because they know that someones having more privilege does not make them a better or more deserving person. If we look at our Congress and Senate, it most surely will evidence this. Liberals see that change is inevitable and do what they can to be creative with the changes as they come. They would rather understand someone who is different from themselves than fear them. They would rather live a life of personal exploration than promote the stagnant institutions of the past to more powerful positions.

Reviewing the political map below, where the red states represent Republican/Tea Party states and the blue states represent Democratic/Liberal states you will see the average IQ of the population of those states. Notice anything interesting? The IQ's of the blue states are considerably higher than the red states. I can't say that becoming a liberal will raise your IQ, but given that only one of the red states is even up to the 100 mark, it is certainly something to consider.

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AKA Winston 5 years ago

Truly inspiring to see data to support the conclusions. Your article also reenforces what Barry Ritholtz, CEO of Fusion IQ wrote on his blog, that study after study has shown that humans prefer self-assured leaders who are dead wrong over the less convincing who admit they do not know.

Or as Ronald Reagan might have once said, There you go again. Just when I finally memorized the creation story in Genesis, you go and change it all to evolution.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Let me first of all say that I greatly dislike the word: "liberal". Here we have a Liberal party - not everyone on the middle or the left side of the political spectrum is a liberal.

"Liberals, on the other hand, recognize that if everyone is not taken care of, it makes the world unsafe for all of us." That is true - if people are left starving, they will have to steal for their food (if that is their only choice). It's survival and we either all survive peacefully in a common good or we are all going to experience hunger, pain, fear, etc.

It is the Law of One. We are all connected.

Great blog. Cheers! (I'm not a liberal.)


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

AKA Winston, very insightful comment. Thanks for visiting and leaving your thoughts on the subject. I personally would rather be open to uncertainty than to be certain of my ignorance.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Mr. Happy, I really appreciate the distinctions you make in your comment. As you say, though, "We are all connected", so excluding anyone hurts everyone, eventually. Thanks for your great comment.

Lela


Fay Paxton 5 years ago

Lela, you are fantastic!

Thank you so much for presenting the results of the study. I have been fascinated at just how the results reconcile with conclusions I think most of us have already made. Excellent hub.

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Fay Paxton 5 years ago

But that map is scary!


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Fay, I really enjoy it when the facts show irrefutably the results one has suspected all along.

The map is very scary, but more scary still is that most of these people with an IQ below the 100 average are not going to be any smarter by the next election.

Thanks for stopping by, Fay. You are my hero.

Lela


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GNelson 5 years ago from Florida

Embrace change and the future is yours. I guess you could say that tha past belongs to the conservatives and the future belongs to the liberals because change is the only constant.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

Being in the Mensa range and a political conservative I guess I'm one of the few? I don't think so.

The Frog


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Alastar Packer 5 years ago from North Carolina

Hi Lela, I generally stay out of politics but do read yours and a few others. Perhaps while the divided audience watches the two magicians on stage the real action is behind the curtain. Yours L


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

GNelson, change is the only constant and those who do not like change, fight it. But, resistance is futile, there will always be changes to make and embracing them makes the flow of life much smoother. Thank you for your insightful comment.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Frog Prince, you are my favorite conservative. I read almost every article you write, but I do not want to create conflict between us, so I only comment when I can say something that will move the action forward. I don't think that being a conservative means you have a lower IQ, but those with a lower IQ do choose political conservatism.

Ultimately, what I think is the most useful is for all of us to work together to create a world that supports everyone.

Blessings to you and thank you for stopping by, I always appreciate seeing you here in the comments.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Alaster, your comments are always so very wise. Labels, no matter how useful we think they are, just create more separation between us and as I see it, there lies the problem.

Thank you for reading and commenting on my articles. I so enjoy your comments.

Blessings,

Lela


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

I would hate to go so far as to say that conservatives are intellectually deficient, but I will say that they are generally not as well educated. By definition a progressive is going to think out of the box more often and not be frightened by change in of itself. Leia, I read an interesting article a study on comparison of relative peace of the states. This takes into account incarceration levels, amounts of crime relative to population size etc. As much as I liked the south when I visited, the most violent area of the country is concentrated in the southern states, any coincidence that they are as red as crimson?

Only fools believe that we can live in a rabbit hole, thinking that by tending only to ourselves we can stave off a coming storm. Outside the wealthy, the others are just the sort that do what they are told and are easily impressionable with simple concepts that the plutocrats put before them (red meat issues) regularly. Nice Hub

Cred2


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Credence2, the reason liberalism appealed to me in the first place was because I know that what affects one of us will eventually effect all of us and I realized that a planet at unrest, for whatever reason, will not be able to sustain itself, indefinitely.

People who are pushed beyond their reasonable ability to survive become dangerous to the rest of us. It was clear to me then, and it is clearer to me now, that the well-being of everyone is in everyones' best interest.

I do not think that conservatives are unintelligent, I think they are mostly short-sighted, but fear is a component of trying to keep everything the same, which is a characteristic of conservatism, and fear breeds violence.

Thank you for this very excellent comment.

Lela


AKA Winston 5 years ago

I was listening to a radio sports talk show today and the host (a conservative in the bible belt) was off on a rant about laws against reselling tickets, how he didn't need the government to tell him what to do and how the government is always trying to make decisions for him, like healthcare, how he didn't need the government to tell him what to do, yada, yada, yadi.

It brought your hub to mind. All this guy was yelling about was his own self-centeredness - affects on HIM.

And I know him to be not overly bright - he believes all right-wing propaganda is true.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear AKA Winston, you are preaching to the choir. I was born in a suburb of Atlanta, and I go back there to visit on occasion. I can tell you that you don't have to spend much time in that neck of the woods to know that something has gone terribly wrong in the land of Me and Mine.

Everyone there seems to carry a gun because they are so afraid of their brethren. It seems to have eluded the population of the area that carrying guns does not keep them safe. It does, however, give their children access to firearms and only a few days ago I heard a story about a 10 year old boy who took his father's gun to school and injured several students before he was captured.

It does not take a genius to know that making the world more unsafe can never make it safer.

Thank you for this very useful comment.

Lela


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Wonderful comment section, but as to your hub? LMAO...this comes on no surprise...you may find a lot of racists and birthers in the red zone, too.

I have relatives from the red zone...we don't talk anymore.

Having an IQ well above the 100 range makes this planet of modern-day conservatives a very difficult place to live...but who doesn't like a good fight?

Lela, you've done it again, and I think it might be fun to share your hub with my Facebook friends...many of whom are conservative, but you can't judge a person for being a little slow, can you?

Perhaps, we should inculcate better, steadier and constant teaching methods that would make the red zone hold its breath and think until they turn blue?

Good idea? I think so...Great hub...voted up, useful, funny and awesome.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA

Dear Perfection,

Wow! I absolutely love the map, even though it is a little frightening. And Winston Churchill for the initial quote? Beautiful!

What an excellent article! I love it! This seems to explain alot, I think. Thank you, Lela!


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear randslam, what a fun and interesting comment. I am LMAO, too. I love the idea of, "...teaching methods that would make the red zone hold its breath and think until they turn blue?" Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Thanks for the great entertainment.

I do also love all the comments on this hub, too. The comments are much more interesting than the article.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Jillian, it does explain a lot. Having grown up in a suburb of Atlanta, I frequently felt like I was on another planet. I cannot imagine prejudice on any basis, and living in a place where it is second nature gave me the creeps and I could not wait to get away from there after graduating from High School.

Thanks for your visit, Jillian.

Lela


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Druid Dude 5 years ago from West Coast

Well, now. This is a good hub. I like this, and coming from you, I know I can say a few out of the box comments w/o you getting spooked about my mystical nature. (By the by, I don't consider myself a mystic.) Liberal ideals are usually not fresh off the press new. The Greeks were known to be quite liberal by our terms, and also quite conservative, as is evidenced by their panoply of gods and goddesses which they were fearful to offend. There are also some very intellectual conservatives, and even Glenn Beck is a very intelligent person whose conservative front is only for the purpose of ratings and a moneyed lifestyle. He simply knows that the crazier he sounds, the more people will watch. Many of the supposed liberals also do what I call "playing to the camera". IQ as it was originally measured was faulty. This is the reason it's use has fallen from favor. Anyone who still uses it probably doesn't have a high one.


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

Love your hub.

I have been noticing this for some time now. I am neither democrat or republican or whatever else there is out there, but this pretty much sums up and confirms a lot of what I've been observing - even via their proudly ignorant and selfish comments. I think a clinical study is in order.

Thanks. Amazing hub. Great job!


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Druid Dude, thanks for the interesting comment.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Miss Info, thank you for this insightful comment. Just today I received an email from a Republican friend of mine that was filled with fear. It indicated that they did not want any legislation that would help the average citizen in the U.S. but they were in full support of more legislative concessions for the mega corporations and the huge Wall Street Banks.

I have to say again that you cannot push people who are already struggling financially at the hands of the oil companies, banking industry and insurance companies, all of which have received either bailouts or subsidies, too much harder without putting those who have supported these legislative moves in harms way.

It shows a tremendous ignorance and selfishness in addition to short-sightedness.

Thanks for dropping by Miss Info.

Lela


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Druid Dude 5 years ago from West Coast

Actually, Glenn falls into the category of "Radical" conservativism, curiously oxymoronic, as opposed to radical liberalism, which seems to make more sense. Oddly, I find that true liberalism, the desire to live one's life as one sees fit would be better achieved with a liberal mindset unfettered by governmental mandate, and that the CONCEPT of judge not, lest you be judged, is more in line with those who most feel judged...liberals, bringing me to the final curiousity... all of the religious people supposedly support conservatism, hence, the "religious right", yet they are also all the ones who defend "keep and bear arms"...totally not Christ like...unless of course he had an uzi stashed someplace.


Your Favorite Nephew 5 years ago

I appreciate your article and the map is interesting. My belief is, however, that the IQ ratings go deeper than liberal or conservative. For instance, I live in a city north of Atlanta that is mostly conservative and in the wealthiest county in Ga. Most of the more liberal counties in Ga are the poorest and suffer from the most crime. As far as the gun issue goes, most of the gun involved violence in Ga is drug related and economy driven. 3 days ago a 50 year old woman was attacked in the shower and forced in to her bedroom by the intruder. Next to her bed she kept a gun for protection and shot the attacker 3 times. Afterward the medical examiners report showed high levels of crack in the attackers system. I hate to think what would have happened to the lady if she wasn't prepared.As far as kids with guns goes, I have to disagree with this being a conservative issue. School shootings have occurred in both left and right states. I pray for the day that everyone will love each other and that there will be no need to protect themselves and their families. I do not think of myself as conservative or liberal. I wish that the two sides could get over themselves and their egos and find common ground because they both have some good qualities that never get harvested.It is unfortunate that things are what they are and i also pray for the day that everyone can get along and love one another and care for the homeless and starving citizens in our country. I dont care which side the love comes from.

As always, your hubs prevoke thought and I love you for them (among other things!)


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mathsciguy 5 years ago from Here, there, and everywhere

Oh, sweet mother of Pearson.. I'll be the first to admit that many things supported by the GOP/Tea Party are psychotic. But, I've got problems with the supplied map diagram thingy. The first thing that I noticed was that all of the state average IQ's were within the standard deviation of 15 points for an IQ score. In other words, on the "bell curve" which the score distribution makes (for IQ tests), all of these state averages would fall within the same range as 68% of all people who take an IQ test. So, even a state average of 85 still falls within the standard deviation of the mean.

Secondly, it's important not to read too deeply into a causative relationship between the variables - in this case, red or blue and average IQ. The correlation does not at all imply necessarily that having a high IQ makes a person more liberal, in a strict sense. Now, having said that, there is also a similar map that demonstrates that "red" states are less likely to be indebted and are more "fiscally fit."

So, I try always to be very careful when using correlations to make inferences about data sets, so that I don't mistake correlation for cause.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Druid Dude, there are many hypocacies among us all. I know that to label each other just creates more separation and honestly I am for unity among us above all else. I think it is so very important to have compassion for our neighbors and ourselves.

The question that contiunually eats away at me is why anyone calling themselves a Christian would be willing to kill another, and would be unwilling to help someone who needs it without judging that person. If anyone has an answer to that question, I need to know what it is.

Thank you Druid Dude. You are a valuable member of HP.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear YFN, I so appreciate what you have said. You have become so much wiser than I ever was. My frustration comes mostly from the fact that President George W. Bush's policies left me so much worse off financially than I was before he moved into office, and with two terms of those policies, it had a profoundly unkind affect on my investments and all that I had worked so very hard for throughout my career.

Now, that said, I do not consider myself a member of either party. I have always been and always shall be an independent. Just as stereotypes are not useful ways to evaluate peoples or situations, I believe it is so very important to vote for the individual, because a party cannot assure the integrity of any of its members.

I think about you all the time, and I am so proud of you that it brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.

Next to my dear Bruce, you are my greatest joy in life and I always hold you ever so deeply in my heart.

Love,

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear mathsciguy, what you have said makes me think you are very intelligent. Your answer is thought filled.

Part of doing this article is a little tongue in cheek for me. I have to be honest and say that I am extremely disappointed in the current wave of GOP/Tea Party members who are so myopic in their vision of what our country needs.

They seem to think that big business needs a helping hand, but let's face it, the oil companies are very much like pirates, at this point, and we should have never bailed the banks out, we should have used that money to help communities recover and thus allow funds to go into community banks where they would have been more usefully used.

I keep saying this over and over, but I think it cannot be said enough. You cannot continue to increase the levels of those in dire need without putting others in harms way. And bottom line, it's just not appropriate to give more to those who already have so much when there are so many in need, among them 15 million children in the United States, alone, who go to bed hungry every night.

So, the conclusions of the map are irrelevant, what is relevant is that the GOP/Tea Party is ignoring this country's real problems so that they can pay back the big corporations who own them. I have to conclude that they must not be very intelligent and those who voted for them must not be aware of the real problems we face here.

I really do appreciate your comment, because I think it is important for all of us to know what the issues are between us and in the way of us finding unity.

Thank you for stopping by and thank you for your well thought-out comment.

Lela


Your Favorite Nephew 5 years ago

Thanks for the love and you know I send it back to you. I without a doubt understand your frustration because I share it.Maybe not as much financially but morally.I am still amazed that,in either party, these clowns are all we can come up with to lead us out of this mess.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear YFN, me too. I sometimes think there must be a dysfunctional gene in someone who even wants to be in politics.

Hugs to you all,

Lela


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

It seems like an example of a Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy. The study is not measuring the actual IQ of voters but the IQ measure of the whole state. The southern states, for example, have more Blacks and Hispanics which lowers the IQ score -- but they may not necessarily be voters.

Furthermore, contentious social statements like "liberals support creative change" ignores the fact that there often aren't any. The most advanced music on the planet was and still is Classical music. Although you might think that human progress might by now develop something better, music has actually DEvolved into rap and hip-hop which are very simplistic, bestial forms, which don't even use notes or melody, and don't involve the co-ordination of 100 or more musicians.

How many liberals support orchestras with their donations? How many conservatives? Change is not always very positive, in some fields. It is best for Conservatives to uphold tried-and-true successes than to expect much success innovating and creating failures. That is where Traditional Correctness often trumps Political Correctness.

You also say that liberals think having more privilege does not make a person of greater quality, yet you seem to be imposing SOME standard of mental quality if you are discussing IQ scores at all! Isn't that a contradiction? A very highly intelligent person knows in his bones he is quite different from the run-of-the-mill human -- sensations are more clearly defined, more thoughts per second come to him. IQ is not a measure of prior learning but of reasoning POTENTIAL; chances are he will be more creative and productive than others, and earn more, and he is willing to tell you about his bitter disappointment about having the fruits of his labor "farmed" for the benefit of social services for an undeserving Illegal, for example, if you but listen to him.


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

..."Equal rights" is an insult to intelligent people; I propose maybe the number of votes people should get should be based on such a scheme, such as their IQ divided by 100 (the average), taken to the twelfth power and rounded off. That way, members of a university could out-vote the unemployed residents of a decommissioned steel-town they're next to.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Pierre, thank you for your comments.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

CP, I did a hub awhile back that showed that the less educated a state is the more religious that state tends to be. This goes hand in hand with what you have here. Living in the deep south it's clear to most that the majority of christian conservatives tend to vote republican. It is the rightwing christian conservatives who are working tirelessly to degrade the education our students receive. The fact that they are in the majority allows the Texas school board to re-write history to suit their beliefs. They fight to have biblical beliefs taught alongside of or in place scientific facts in the science classroom. That they are in the majority explains the fact that American students are loosing ground rapidily when compared with other industrialized nations. Foreign student today know more about American history than our own children do. 25% of American students cant pass the basic military entrance exam. Until critical thinking skills are again taught to our students this situation will not change. Our students are taught to memorize a list of words and beliefs and this passes for education. The worst part is that most of what they memorize to pass a test is lost as they begin memorizing what they need to pass the next one. What kills me is hearing these non-thinkers stand and proclaim how exceptional America is. Most people in this country dont know how ignorant and backwards this country is becoming. BTW, I dropped out of high school in the early part of the 11th grade and the last time I had my IQ tested, I came in at 153. Getting out of the school in the south is one of the best things I could have done for my education. I had signed up for a reading class due to my love of reading. It actually made me mad at the time to show up for this class and find out it was a last ditch effort to teach students to read before they got their diploma.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

The dumb leading the dumber--seems to be the desire for the machine in the US. However, much of higher education also tries to mold students into Wall Street wackos, military boot camps create killing machines who later can't deal with civilian life, and politicians with high testerone levels that require several lovers and simultaneous pregnancies from adulterous affairs.

One has to ask, what happened to nobility, wisdom and discipline with an emphasis on intelligence? Is it simply a Utopian dream?

On a recent conservative christian broadcast the two female presenters were worried about how little the female pianist/singer was wearing with pride. Who cares? It's called entertainment and how much was revealed, with so little on, on display for so many wasn't so bad--it was just an artist trying to fulfill a dream.

If we continue to dumb down our society with concerns of skirt length and cleavage revelation, while breeding maniacal murderers that kill civilians and greed merchants who rape and plunder public coffers, won't the result be apocalyptic? At the very least moral and financial bankruptcy?

My angst is for those who can't get out of this paradigm. It would be nice to think that each American could visit a socialized democracy with low crime, no public gun-toting and joy in a career path, but in America it may be too far to stretch, because that would be 'un-Americun'.

High intelligence quotients may help--but can the intelligent leaders of the next generation fix what the "greatest generation" has broken?


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Stump Parrish,

Fear and ignorance usually walk hand in hand. Those who are truly ignorant and maybe of low intelligence, too, usually feel safer if others are suppressed. It makes them think they are in control, but if you put enough pressure on people who used to have pretty decent lives, but now do not as a result of bad governance you create a very explosive situation. Look at the Middle East and Africa.

Thanks so much for your wise comment.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear randslam,

I'm not sure we have not already reached a point of no return. It's not just bad politics anymore. The oil companies, Wall Street and the insurance companies have been given the keys to the treasury and have bought themselves a pack of congressmen and senators who know that they do not have to answer to the American people.

The Supreme Court polished off the gift with our souls when they gave these mega corporations the right to pay for unlimited ad campaigns for these houligans.

The most unfortunate part of all this is that fewer than 5% of voters will do any research on the candidates at all and everyone else will vote for the people whose names they have heard the most. So, thank you Supreme Court justices for screwing the American people once again.

Great comment, randslam, as always.

Lela


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

Stump, I agree that low IQ tends to go with greater incidence of religious belief. But to me it's a head-scratcher why this is happening.

I don't think the Creationist beliefs themselves are harming science education and U.S. test-scores compared to science test-scores in other countries. Why? Because science is much more than the origin of life: mechanics, chemistry, electricity, all those things even the home-schooled radical Fundamentalist Christian families will learn in the same way as anyone else. In this, they are not hampered by a belief in a Lightning God or a Water God or a Dilute Acid Solutions God. We passed that phase many centuries ago! But what WILL religious belief do? If you think THIS life is just an anteroom for a beautiful, infinite (what? On OUR memory-capacity?) and effortless Eternal Life, how hard are you going to try to improve yourself and get good grades here? In the face of the "momentous import" of the Heaven and God myths, everything else becomes bland and unimportant. Why bother?

In the movie "300", the Greeks were establishing democracy and were resisting the autocratic Persian Empire. They worked out a system of Hoplite fighting where everyone must stand in such a way as to shield his neighbor. The leader of the Spartans refuses the deformed dwarf because he could not stand in the scientifically determined military stance. When this dwarf goes traitor and goes to the Persian Emperor, the Emperor says, "I don't ask you to stand, I only ask you to kneel." That's how religious societies are: people are expected only to kneel. Believe! Obey! All the subtleties, doubts, alternative opinions, experimentations don't matter. The educational system is thus a pale version of a REAL educational system as a result.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Pierre, this is a very thought provoking comment that you have left.

I actually believe that one of two things can increase a person's intelligence as they age. The first is shocking events when they are very young, the second is travel. People who stay very close to home and have a benign upbringing do not seem as motivated to search. It is this desire to search, I believe, that increases ones capacity for intelligent thought as they grow older.

Thanks for your very interesting comment.

Lela


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

Travel can be very important to intelligence, but I'd rather say it expands perspective. I travelled, in fact I crossed cultures. I had only 1.5 years to learn English before starting school. Did very well. For multi-lingual people, information can be coded in several highly different ways. A language is not a new set of words, it is new concepts which don't perfectly overlap, it is a new way of coding thoughts. Precious idioms developed from singular situations in each language. But what does the guy from small-town America have, who hasn't moved more than 50 miles unless it were some field-trip? Note to self: get the kids of America to do some BIG class trips.


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

...If the kids of America take some BIG class trips, like other-country trips, where other languages are spoken, it might help their perspective. Even their perspective about religion. Who has the real dope about God? The story changes every 100 miles. If you cross to a new culture it REALLY changes. And then if they had a sense of perspective on that, maybe we wouldn't have silly Midwestern Creationist Fundamentalist Christians. They'd realize that they have no direct connection to Jesus; Jesus never visited this continent. Their religion is a hand-me-down; it didn't start in the U.S., it didn't even start in England. It is locked away in other languages from a dead past. Can they, of all peoples, really hold up their head high and say only they, of all peoples, have the story straight??


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you Pierre, all very interesting ideas. Your comments and thoughts are appreciated.

Lela


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Pierre, is nailing the facts up on the wall for anyone to see. His explanations remind me of my own experience in fundamentalist Christianity, world travel, the study of languages, living in different cultures and the MAJOR point--credibility of paradigm--that is the "box" that people live in.

It has always astounded me, when religious pastors and church leaders speak with authority about their own personal interpretations of the faith (always the one they are practicing--is the right, and only, faith) even tho' the continent that this christian dogma originated is half way around the world.

The extended mythologies of "blonde, blue-eyed Jesus," the corruption of a translated text, the Bible, and their undeniable "truths" that they are leading people to Jesus.

It is this way of life that removes self-motivation, self-discovery, self-rule and independent, individual action that could understand the universe as it is--not as it is perceived by illusionists, dreamers, charlatans and misguided theologians.

The greatest story ever sold--should be untold--revealed for its synchronization with ancient poly-deific, and plagiaristic, civilizations and left in the department of historical development, where it belongs.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Pierre, I agree it is not the creationist's beliefs that are the entire problem. I have a sneking suspicion that it goes something like this. Since it is obvious that the scientists are wrong about the origins of this planet it stands to reason that they are wrong about everything. Now, as our preacher has made it clear that the scientists are wrong it must also make sense that everything our preacher says about any subject is the only correct answer to any question. And once you top this off with the fact that our 65 year old houseife/sunday school teacher states that the scientists are wrong, they must be. For those who couldn't figure it out that was a sarcastic representation of the typical christian mindset according to what I see daily in the bible belt.

Every suggestion you made about improving the educational levels in this country are valid. What the christian's seek is to expel everyone that thinks differently from their surroundings. That also makes sense when you realize they fear anything and everything they dont understand. Rather than take the time to learn the truth, they seek to remove any possibility of their narrow minded beliefs ever being questioned.

Take Texas for example. Rather than teach the children the truth and allow them to make their own minds up about this world we all share, they seek to remove any possiblity of their beliefs being questioned. If a set of beliefs are valid, I would assume they could stand alone and face these questions. The fact that most christians in the south are pooly educated is the primary reason they seek to keep their children from gaining a real education. They are afraid their kids will ask questions they are incapable of answering. And god forbid, they have to do any thinking of their own.


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

"The southern states, for example, have more Blacks and Hispanics which lowers the IQ score -- but they may not necessarily be voters......."Equal rights" is an insult to intelligent people"

In regards to your comment, Pierre .... Perhaps if you do not understand or appreciate US culture, you should go back to France (or whatever other third-world country you came from) -- we have enough bigots here.

Merci!


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear randslam and Stump Parrish,

Beliefs are a way of dominating the masses. If you blend in a little fear and guilt you have a winning formula that cannot be easily undone. If you feed this mixture to a population with low educational standards and perhaps limited life experience, you have a group whose fear of change and inability to accept ideas outside their own is almost guaranteed.

I have definitely found fear to be a component of conservative politics. I recently had an exchange on Facebook with a conservative Republican friend of mine. It was regarding the islamic mosque that was to be built near the 9/11 site. Palin had made a broad statement that it should not be allowed to be built there under any circumstances. I made a statement on Facebook regarding Palin's statement in which I reminded everyone that the U.S. constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom of speech. In response to my statement, this Republican friend said "...we cannot allow this, we must kill all of them before they kill us." In her statement, she also made the point that she was a Christian, to which I said, "The Bible says to love your neighbor as yourself." She said that the muslims intend to force Sharia law on everyone and that their goal was to suppress the masses, and reiterated that we must kill them before they kill us.

This is not unusual for political conservatives. They seem easily to hide behind religious beliefs when attempting to control what is allowed in schools, but then are the first to promote violence and war.

I am a spiritual person, which to me means I see myself connected to everything else, and see the welfare of all being in the best interest of everyone, but I have to say that I believe traditional organized religion is at the heart of fear, hatred, violence and suppression, everywhere.

Thank you both for these fine comments, and Pierre, thank you, too for creating this imaginative discussion.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Miss Info, thank you for joining the discussion again, that statement by Pierre seemed racist to me, but I decided not to address it. Thanks for bringing it up and for your comment.

Lela


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Pierre's statement was likely poorly stated as opposed to bigotry. The fact that certain cultures aren't educated because of circumstance isn't bigotry--it's the way the world is now--it's up to each individual to expand his or her own education.

As Pierre may have understood, many ethnic people have to work manual labor jobs and haven't been given the chance to learn--however, this shouldn't make a difference on a being's IQ--other than the fact that the culture they grew up in didn't allow them to expand this number.

It is a slur, yes, but perhaps Pierre should expand on what manner of IQ diminuation he was referring to in regards to Latin cultures. It was quite a generalization.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear randslam, I would appreciate Pierre expounding on this as well. I do not believe race has anything to do with intelligence, but education certainly does.

Thanks randslam.

Lela


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Miss info, I will admit to having missed that comment by Pierre. Having finished my so called education in the south, the whites in this area need no help keeping their educational levels low. I would also point out to him that if hispanics lowered the IQ levels of a state it would make sense that alot of southwestern states would rank below SC. That is not the case as anyone can find out thru google.

Lela, in regards to the conversation you had on facebook, I have to wonder why and how the christians in this country forget the millions of innocent Iraqi women and children that our country has killed in this illegal war for profit in their country.

Americans scream at the top of their lungs about the victims of 9/11 and yet seem to feel that these innocent Iraqi people had it coming. Oh yea, they're muslims and therefore less than human in the eyes of most christians.

Manning attempted to show Americans the truth about what is being done in America's name and most Americans believe he is a criminal. Then again he did show them the truth and this is something most Americans ave no interest in.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Stump Parrish, that really is what this is all about to me. It is about fear and ignorance being tools used by those of lower intelligence to create beliefs that foster hatred, smallmindedness, violence and selfishness.

If we as Americans focused on the facts, which are pretty easy to come by, then our legislation would concentrate on education, helping those in need and communication with all other governments.

When I say education, I mean promoting science, math, reading skills, philosophical discernment and the ability to think outside the box.

Helping others in need is the surest way to improve an economy and make a country safer for its citizens. Having masses of poor, uneducated, starving and homeless citizens is the certain road to a civilization's downfall. With large populations of poor, crime becomes a viable alternative for those peoples' survival.

The U.S. wastes much of our wealth trying to control the leadership of other countries, and trying to acquire other countrys' resources and makes the world unsafe for all of us.

An intelligent person knows that not everyone is in agreement, but understands that communication between those in disagreement allows a mutual respect and support for our likenesses and differences.

Violence has never lead to anything except more violence and in the meantime, it creates more enemies and fosters fear among those with whom we do not communicate.

The U.S. continually keeps this hawkish posture interfering in the affairs of other sovereign nations, invading countries who do not want us there, and killing innocent people all in the name of democracy.

The U.S. does not have a democracy. Right now I would characterize it more as a plutocracy, so I guess that is what we are trying to spread around the world, the domination of the masses by the rich.

Lela


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

Miss Info, if you hear of a doctor diagnosing a child as mentally retarded, do you accuse this doctor of being "bigoted" against the child? No, he's achieved professional competence and he's tested the child, and if he says the child is retarded, the child is retarded. Competent people have truly measured average IQs by countries and more importantly by race, and have come up with amazing findings (such as apparently a Stupidity Meteor landed in Zimbabwe in the ancient past):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AverageIQ-Map-Wo...

How are we to interpret this? Well, there can be some discussion about it, but what's dishonest is to believe that "all races are equal" to eight decimal-places after being separated and living apart for up to 200,000 years. No other species stays the same after such fragmentation; it would be positively Creationist to believe there's been no evolutionary divergence. Small-headed people should not criticize big books like Herrnstein and Murray's THE BELL CURVE.

Or maybe to spare feelings, of the people afraid of where facts and interpretation of scientific data lead, we should perhaps agree that Intelligence doesn't exist, or even that Civilization doesn't exist? Hmm, seems to me that would be short-changing a lot of people.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Pierre, I am actuaally curious about this. Is it possible for a person to increase their IQ. I am assuming it is based on the concept of critical thinking. If a person is taught these skills wouldn't they have the ability to score higher on an IQ test? If I am right about this it would prove your map to be false. IQ scores would be based on the level of education that is available to the citizens of a specific country and not decided by race.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Pierre, your statement sounds defensive. When righteous indignation is the tone of what one is expounding, it makes me think the facts might be thin and that intimidation must be used to make one's point.

I believe that a person can, through proper education and valuable life experience, increase their IQ. The desire for knowledge is of more importance than the potential in many cases.

I think the real test of a person's intelligence is their motivation to know the truth and the facts and apply them to their own lives and the institutions in which they participate.

Thank you again for making this such a lively commentary.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Stump Parrish, I do believe that intelligence has much to do with education and life experience. The education, however, must be based purely on facts and logic. Much of what passes for education, in many states, is driven by beliefs instead of knowledge. Beliefs, if engaged in wholeheartedly or out of fear, hide the truth.

Fear is only a rational reaction in a situation threatening harm or life, but we are all taught to fear the unknown to a degree. Those of us who learn to search for knowledge are able to overcome fear of the unknown, and embrace it, instead.

So if what is being taught is based on facts and people are encouraged to search for knowledge, fear becomes a lesser motivation for the actions they take. If on the other hand they are taught to fully indulge a belief system, they are less likely to seek knowledge and truth.

I, personally, grew up in Atlanta. Through a number of shocking experiences in my youth, I turned away from the beliefs of my parents and the educational system in which I was immersed. This lead to my own search for knowledge and the truth, and certainly opened my eyes to a greater possibility. That is why I said in an earlier comment that trauma in our youth, coupled with travel to places unknown increases the capacity for intelligent thought.

Thank you for being a part of this great discussion, Stump Parrish.

Lela


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

Pierre, I make it my aim NOT to argue with racists or sexists or any other types of bigots out there. You are just entirely below my level of understanding.

Hence, my exit cue.

Take Care.


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tony0724 5 years ago from san diego calif

I think Liberalism also has a higher arrogance quotient. Libs worship themselves.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear Miss Info, concepts, like opinions are just that, so arguing is a futile endeavor, as you point out. Thanks for your comment.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear tony0724, it would be difficult to find many people who are more arrogant than Newt Gingrich and John Boehner.

Arrogance is what the GOP/TP are now sponsoring in Congress. They have decided that a plutocracy would be better for the U.S. than a democracy.

It doesn't get much more arrogant than to ignore the needs of the American people so that they can enrich the mega corporations who own them. After the ruling by the Supreme Court on January 25, 2010 stating that corporations can spend as much money as they want to support a candidate's election, these mega corporations spent over 300 million dollars ($300,000,000.00) getting this motley crew of GOP/TP representatives elected in the 2010 Fall mid-term election.

Making blanket statements such as you have made show that you have no facts to support your conjecture.

Thank you for joining the discussion, though.

Lela


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tony0724 5 years ago from san diego calif

Lela bravo ! All these new officials of Ivy league pedigree sure are doing a bang up job huh ? NOT ! :)


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

tony0724, I do not know what you mean by your comment. Please enlighten me.

Thank you,

Lela


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

I am afraid that IQ can not be educated, any more than you can turn a 4 megapixel camera into a 6 megapixel camera through force of will. How can you will the vital amount of forebrain-matter in the brain, or the number of interconnections between the neurons, to increase through "education"? No, we must look at the facts of 100% inherited intelligence and its implications for human evolution. Galileo caught all sorts of flak for saying what's true: the Earth goes around the Sun. But it went against extensive Catholic mythology about man being at the center so the Earth must be too, and he was accused of a "hate crime", or some such vague language of his time, back then they just said "heresy", for stating something so obviously "hateful" and "anti-human" as saying the Earth moves around something else. Every generation of head-up-their-butts doctrinaire emotionalists rebels against clear, provable scientific statements about our society by inventing slur-language to put others down.

Candid statements about races and ethnic groups will also no longer be regarded as "hate crimes", in fact the whole fiction of "hate" will vanish. Probably that has a lot to do with how provable and scientifically consistent these things are!


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Pierre, you said, "Every generation of head-up-their-butts doctrinaire emotionalists rebels against clear, provable scientific statements about our society by inventing slur-language to put others down." But, what you said to Miss Info previously was, "Small-headed people should not criticize big books like Herrnstein and Murray's THE BELL CURVE." So you are playing both sides it seems to me. You intended by your statement to put Miss Info down, just because she does not agree with you. You are welcome to make any assertion you like. I just thought I would point it out to you.

Lela


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Pierre, I admit to being out of my element here but I was wondering if a person with out critical thinking skills were to take the test and then be taught to think critically, would have an easier time passing the test. Being able to think out side the box would seem to be an asset when taking an IQ test. I googled IQ and was entirely lost when attempting to understand the explanations I found. I did come across the statistics you mention but also noticed a lot of other contribution factors. Health, the education levels of the parent which contributes to the nurturing of the child, crime and a few others. Most of what I saw was accepted theory and yet not all of it. Anyhow, thanks for sending me off to seek a little more knowledge about something I am unfamiliar with. I dont agree with you 100% but if I did there would be no reason for a discussion.


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Pierre Savoie 5 years ago from Canada

Oh, C.P. you are probably right. I will be justified in where I put my insults, though. She's a small head who has not wrapped her head around the big books on the subject of race and IQ. After suffering enough abuse from small minds, the large minds simply keep quiet about it, let society slip into a fog stating intelligence doesn't exist, achievement doesn't exist, striving for better people doesn't exist and ultimately civilization doesn't exist; we can evolve in any direction we want and there won't be consequences! So for her the Earth is still flat and unmoving -- metaphorically speaking. She holds social beliefs of the same quality.


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Alright Pierre, thats enough of the insults in my opinion. I was attempting to have an intelligent converstaion with and possibly learn something. I have no interest in conversing with someone who looks down their nose at everyine they speak to. Good day sir and truth be told i would rather associate with the people you look down on. They are of a better class of humans.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Well, I've pretty much exhausted everything I wanted to say here. Thank you all for stopping by and for this wonderful commentary.

Best,

Lela


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d.william 5 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Another exceptional hub from you. And the comment section is equally as interesting, with all the opposing views. The only comment i will make is that whoever put the numbers on the map, gave the red states inappropriately high scores in error. I'm just saying....

P.S. i am actually from Rhode Island.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Dear d.william, thank you for this very fun comment. I always appreciate your taking the time to read and comment on my articles.

Best to you,

Lela


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Mimi721wis 5 years ago

I'm in a red state and just find this simply funny. I'm a liberal and I'm sure conservatives could find some numbers that may prove more to their likings.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Mimi721, you are probably right. Thanks for your comment.

Lela


RetroG 5 years ago

The map you've used here is misleading because it's based on fake IQ scores based on a hoax that originated in 2002:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

The true IQ scores by state are much closer, where half of the country is only separated by 3 points.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

RetroG, thanks for your comment.


Sooner28 4 years ago

I had read some of the psychology on the difference between liberals and conservatives, but I didn't know about the IQ thing. Interesting hub.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you for your comment. Many people think that political conservatism means what it says which is to conserve. This is far from the truth. What it has come to mean is favoring those who pay the most to be represented in Washington. Those of us who just go about our business every day, trying to do the right thing, are ignored and those in grave need who live below the poverty level, which now number one in 6 of us in the United States, are blindsided. Thank you again for your comment.

Best wishes,

Lela


Canuck observer 4 years ago

The Frog Prince: prerequisite to being a conservative "the ability to believe the unbelievable and deny the undeniable" I believe you just proved the whole premise.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Well said, Canuck observer!


Sooner28 4 years ago

Wow Canuck. That was awesome!


Matthew 4 years ago

I see the same thing all around me that this report/study finds. But have they researched the intelligent people on the right? I find (No study done) that these people tend to be more dishonest and corrupt, More likely to be the uber rich, and more likely to work to keep things the same, and more likely to lie to keep control.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Matthew, you should read the book "The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy", by Jim Marrs. You should also see the film "Thrive" by Phillip Gamble, which is on their website at www.Thrive.com. They both speak of exactly what you are referring to in your comment. The uber rich, Rockefellers, Morgans, etc. have conspired to defraud the American people out of all their wealth and the bank bailouts were just one of the ways they have done it. This book and this film I have mentioned will make your skin crawl and the unfortunate fact is that they also own our elected representatives.

The best thing Americans can do to take back any control of our own is to take all of your money out of the big banks and put it into community credit unions, which are owned by the members who have deposits in them. Also stop doing business with these banks.

It is clear that when the banks were bailed out, they had no intention of making credit available to consumers, which was the reason it was given to them. They instead bought each other out and increased their profits on the backs of the American people from whom they stole the money.

Thanks for your comment, Matthew. You can see I am a little worked up over this issue.

Best,

Lela


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wba108@yahoo.com 4 years ago from upstate, NY

It's refreshing to hear the true beliefs of liberals spelled out so honestly. That fear, cowardess, ignorance and a lack of compassion are the driving forces behind the conservative movement. Of course conservatives belief much the same about liberals.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you wba108@yahoo.com for your comment. Romney says he is not concerned with the really poor. Santorum says make the Bush tax cuts for the rich permanent. They may think what they want, but I always feel that the actions of a person speak volumes about who they really are. I said this in my article and I must repeat it again. If you create huge populations of poverty ridden and homeless people, you put everyone in harms way, because a person who is struggling for survival will do ANYTHING to survive including stealing what they need and killing, if necessary, to feed and protect themselves and their children. Thank you again for your comment.

Best,

Lela


4 years ago

First , this IQ data is strongly suspect. ie: it contradicts other established state average IQ data that isn't being used for political purposes(http://www-958.ibm.com/software/data/cognos/manyey... contradicts what modern science tells us about IQ development in populations over time (that cold weather exposure is the largest factor in brain growth over generations in any population of humans - the following article is compelled to make the PC disclaimer that larger brain size is not associated with better IQ, but conventional IQ science disagrees http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/11080... and last it contradicts the common sense that adjacent genetically similar (European heritage) populations will not differ that significantly(10 IQ points) from one another due to genetic intermixing, environmental(the weather) and cultural (for those that believe that nurture is a factor in IQ - I don't) similarities. The data used in this article has us believe that the IQ of North Dakota and the IQ of Minnesota differs by 10 points, a hugely significant margin, but this is a massive improbability due to the aforementioned reasons. One to three points would be believable. Ten points is not. This improbability, taken together with the contradicting IQ data, points to the fact that this data and this article were both created for the political purpose of defaming conservatives.

The data that I point to is much more credible, as it's conclusions agree with what modern science knows of brain development in relation to environment, what it knows of genetics of adjacent intermixed populations, and for the fact that it is not being used to make a narcissistic political assertion. The IQ data that I pointed to has lists North Dakota as not one of the lowest IQ states as this article would have us believe, but as the SECOND HIGHEST IQ state with a 101.4 average, only 1/10th of a point behind Massachusetts.

Furthermore, the data used for this article has the population of New Hampshire at an average of 109 IQ, a full seven IQ points higher than the state with the next highest average of 102. Anyone who knows anything about adjacent populations, genetics, and statistics will tell you that this difference is so improbable as to make this assertion a farce. This data is corrupt, point simple.

Last, I used to be a died in the wool liberal. I used to have those views because, first, it feels good to "love everyone" and it is one of the human instincts that allows us to co-operate effectively as a group. Second, i was indoctrinated with these views since I began viewing Sesame Street at age two, and this indoctrination continued through Grad School. However, our human instincts and indoctrination (read: biased information) does not good politics make. One day, I figured out the true nature of politics and everything fell into place very quickly. Politics is about co-operation. People are, right now, co-operating with one another and do not see you as part of their group, but as people that need to be conquered and exploited to aid in the purpose of keeping their group on top. Liberalism is the weapon by which these groups destroy effective co-operation in other political groups that woul otherwise be very effective. They will always be conservative, because that leads to the most effective group co-operation, but they promote liberalism amongst you to destroy your ability to co-operate. Liberalism is not about group co-operation between people who have a hardcore loyalty to one another, but about group dissimilarity that forever inhibits truly effective co-operation. Food for thought.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

I would like to address one of the last points of your argument, "Liberalism is the weapon by which these groups destroy effective co-operation in other political groups that would otherwise be very effective. They will always be conservative, because that leads to the most effective group co-operation, but they promote liberalism amongst you to destroy your ability to co-operate."

If you recall--during the last period of government interaction where there was a call to raise the debt ceiling, the political conservatives were in no way "cooperative". I am not supportive of the runaway government spending, but when debt ceiling talks are underway we are not talking about new spending, we are talking about paying for the commitments we have already made in the past. So, cooperation, in my opinion, must be secondary to integrity. We must be accountable to do what we say we will do, in this case pay our obligations. But ultimately the political arena in America is neither about integrity or cooperation, but about one-upmanship, self-service and posturing. The American people, as a whole, have not been represented in Washington for a very long time, and even though the Constitution assures us that we will not have 'taxation without representation', it is not the case. If that were the case, only the rich would pay taxes in this country, because they are the only ones represented in American politics.

Political conservatives believe that they are conservative, but the debt in this country increased more under Presidents Reagan and George Bush than under any other administrations in our history, so political conservatives should revisit what it means to be conservative, which is to live within one's budget.

Thank you for your comment. I appreciate the level of thought put into it.


AEuroLiberal 4 years ago

Sorry to disappoint but in Europe, the geography within which this study was conducted, the term "liberal" tends to mean what most would call "conservative" in the U.S.


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wba108@yahoo.com 4 years ago from upstate, NY

AEuroLiberal- That's very interesting and revealing! I suspect the actual data would most likely show that conservatives on average have higher IQ's. Now I don't put much emphasis on IQ's anyway, because to me common sense and a person's values are more important!


Austin 4 years ago

I enjoyed the article, however (admittedly) I am always skeptical of politically driven pieces. I would be pretty sure a good many of the more educated and/or intelligent people do not side with any one party and therefore tend to vote "independent"---which, by the way is very prevalent in southern New England; they tend to be rather progressive, but they are not swayed by a party's ideas and more by common sense and a sense of what is good for society as a whole. The issue at hand is dealt with by personal reasoning and not so by a consensus or preconceived notions which dominate one party or another.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Austin,

I too am an independent. I vote for the person and do not vote for a party representative. I hope that everyone in this country will start spending time actually investigating the candidates and vote, "more by common sense and a sense of what is good for society as a whole." Because, after all, our history shows that people have voted for special interests and look where that has gotten us. Great comment. Thank you.

Best,

Lela


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Terry Moran 4 years ago

Interesting post and comments. Do you have a source for the state by state IQ numbers? I'd like to do a similar article but need verifiable data.

Thanks

Terry


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Terry,

I googled 'map showing average iq by state', and found several sources. Hope this helps.

Lela


Liberty 4 years ago

To A Euroliberal-

Are you kidding me? European liberals equals American conservatives?! And you just made someone actually believe that thing and especially stating that conservatives now have higher IQ's in "actual data". Then all of a sudden stating that it's not that IQ is important but "common sense and personal values". Beautiful.

So the "socialist" Labour Party is conservative by American standards?? Read Wikipedia carefully!! The statement there telling that America's conservatism is the rest of the world's liberalism is a statement shrouded by the myth of American exceptionalism! And guess what, that statement was written during the 1950's conservative era in America. And height of the Cold War too.

My goodness. The Europeans have more advanced democratic institutions than Americans now. And their liberalism, America calls communism! not conservatism!

Just want to enlighten people who just read that very disturbing statement.

But it depends, what Euroliberal calls liberalism might be classical liberalism. And that one is close to American conservatism.

But Europe is not classical liberal anymore! It's modern liberal already! Even more than America!

SIGH.


wwolfs 4 years ago

I, normally, don't get involved in a political discussion, but found your hub interesting. I agree that everyone has to be taken care of. There is no other way.

Many of us don't like all the issues, but to do anything less than consider everyone really does make for an unsafe world.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you wwolfs, that really is my whole point. If everyone is not taken care of, it puts everyone in harms way. We currently have 17 million children in the US who go to bed hungry every night, and 1 in 6 of us in the US are below the poverty level. We keep wasting billions on wars in foreign countries while we allow America to go down in the flames of negligence.

It really will not matter who was right and who was wrong when our country is overrun by poverty and hunger. Thank you again for your comment.

Best wishes,

Lela


Seriously 4 years ago

Dudes, people vote republicans because the else the stupid people would take their money and use it on mcdonalds.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

To Seriously --- seriously ??????????????


Jim92065 4 years ago

This entire page shows that gullibility and ignorance know no political bounds. RetroG is correct. The "information" put out in this article was debunked in November, 2004.

Now, from personal experience, I know some very intelligent people with views on the political right, left, and center. I am an Independent and an atheist, but I would consider myself a definite fiscal conservative. My best friend and two of my co-oworkers all have PhDs in some scientific field. All three are registered Republicans. Two of them are atheists, and the third (arguably the most brilliant of the lot) is very involved in his church. I also had a friend, years back, who was a nuclear engineer and a hard-core, Bible-thumping Christian.

My IQ is in the 99th percentile. I would put all four of the aforementioned in a league above my own.

Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost: For support, rather than illumination.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

jim92065, I always feel that people who are really intelligent don't need to tell others how smart they are or prove it to anyone. You may or may not have understood the article. It does not say that political conservatives have low IQ's. It says PEOPLE WITH LOWER IQ'S, MORE OFTEN, GRAVITATE TOWARDS POLITICAL CONSERVATISM! I did find it interesting how defensive you became upon reading the article, however.

Thank you for your comments.

Best wishes!


Jacob 4 years ago

Why do you think that anyone would believe statistics such as these coming from such a biased source. As soon as I read your description of your misconceived notions of what conservatives and liberals are, it took all credibility from the study. If you want to be convincing, don't make it seem like you are just using numbers to back up your own biases. Also you seem very intolerant and ignorant of views other than your own. Even if you don't agree, you can at least try to understand.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Jacob,

If you read the study, you will see that I am reiterating the information in the study, however, it has also been my direct experience that has contributed to this conversation. Hubpages is a place where people can write about their views and have readers discuss them. You may not like my point of view, but you have just expressed your point of view which is not based on any fact. It is an opinion. I write about my opinions and information I research, diligently. You say, "Even if you don't agree, you can at least try to understand." I do understand. I have the ability to deny any comment. I have denied none. I think it is important to write thought provoking articles so that people on either side can discuss them. We, in the free world, who are allowed to speak our minds have a tremendous obligation to do so. It is important to be responsible with the things we say and do, but it is just as important to be tolerant of the opinions of others who do not agree with us.

Thank you for your comment. Please read the study and all the other comments.

Lela


Jacob 4 years ago

I find it ironic how you turn around and tell me to be "tolerant of the opinions of others". My last comment was merely a suggestion of how I think that you could be more convincing by presenting the study in a less biased light.

I respect your opinion, but understanding both sides of an argument doesn't mean insulting the side you are not on, even if you don't deny comments. The description of liberals and conservatives was biased and rude, not tolarant.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Jacob,

It was not my intention to insult you. I am only trying to point out that we all have our opinions. Opinions by their nature as biases. As I said in my first response to you, my biases are based much on my direct experience. On the other hand, I have always and will always defend your right and the right of others to speak their opinions, regardless of our level of agreement or disagreement.

I am going to say in this comment that I believe the most important point I have made in this article is that if everyone is not taken care of and considered it places everyone in harms way. You cannot have huge populations of people struggling to survive without the dangers that come with that type of desperation. We are still spending trillions of dollars to fight wars all over the world to supposedly help others fight oppression when we have 17 percent of our own population living below the poverty threshold. It does not matter who in this country has a higher or lower IQ. What really matters is our level of integrity and compassion. We have given the banks billions of dollars of tax payers money and yet they still treat their customers with utter disrespect. Forty-four states are letting teachers, firefighters and police go because of their combined 125 billion dollar deficits, while Wall Street bankers were paid 135 billion dollars in salaries and bonuses in 2011.

Jacob, I do not understand a population of people who are so selfish that they would let 17 million children go to bed hungry every night.

I appreciate that you have taken your time and thoughts and shared them here with me and the others following this Hub and I always wish you and yours the very best.

Blessings to you,

Lela


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

By the way, Jacob, when I first wrote this article there were 15 million children going to bed hungry every night in the US. There are now over 17 million, just in the span of a few months. The population of homeless teens is growing exponentially, too. How safe will any of us be with the numbers of those barely surviving increasing daily?

Lela


Jacob 4 years ago

I now see that your opinions are based on compassion for needy people which I respect. Maybe in your experience all conservatives have been cold, unloving people who "only care about themselves." I have, however known conservatives who are just as compassionate and caring for the needy as any liberal. Even if you have had only negative experiences with conservatives, it bothers me that you should label all as having no integrity and compassion. You are judging people you have never met(including myself) by their political beliefs and saying that it relates directly to how good of a person they are.

I also think that you don't quite understand why conservatives believe what they do. It is not because they simply don't care about the poor that they wish to have small government, rather, they have a different approach to solving the issues. For instance, if the government made it easier for small businesses to expand, those 8% unemployed could get jobs, significantly reducing the 17 million in poverty. In the long run, we believe that this would be better than just giving them money. "If you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day, if you teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime."

I understand that there are many more factors to these problems than I mentioned, and you could probably find all sorts of holes in my ideology. My point was, conservative beliefs aren't based on fear or greed or uncaring (at least no conservatives I know), rather, we are trying to solve the same issues that liberals are, just from a different angle. In the end, to solve anything I believe democrats and republicans will have to compromise to solve anything at all and this requires understanding the other viewpoint.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Jacob,

I absolutely agree with you.

By the way, I consider myself to be a moderate independent. I would say that my actual political leanings are more Libertarian than anything else. I feel that we have been so abused by our representatives. They have done a terrible job all around, and the primary focus of Libertarianism is LESS government. I don't think the democrats or the republicans have been responsible. In my opinion, we really only have one party in the US and it is the spending party. They just spend it on different things, but they all forget how hard many of us work to pay the taxes they so readily waste.

I read that Romney raised $100,000,000.00 during the month of June for his campaign. I looked at the list of the largest contributors and almost all of them were banks and financial institutions. I don't know an industry in need of regulation more than this one, but when they buy our politicians with their millions of dollars of contributions, it leads me to believe that there will be no regulations forthcoming on this industry.

I sincerely appreciate your thoughtfulness and for having a conversation with me.

I don't know what it is going to take to make the world work for everyone, but none of us has a greater right to it than anyone else.

Blessings Jacob,

Lela


Jacob 4 years ago

Yes I agree.

However, I am still a little confused however of why you did all of that conservative-bashing in the intro. We seem to agree that less government is good and that view seems to coincide with a conservative view. I definitely agree that there are things undesirable about both parties, in your intro you seemed against the conservative mindset (not republicans). Now you seem to agree with conservatives that there should be less government. Even if you are independent you still seem conservative at least with the roles of government (generally wanting less of it).

Just trying to understand another point of view,

Jacob


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Jacob,

I really try not to spend a lot of time pondering the past, but after George W. Bush got through with this country, most of my life long savings was gone, the economy was in ruins, and we had bailed out the banks, those responsible for destroying a lifetime of financial investments I had worked so very many hours over 35 years to create. I have since forgiven George Bush and the "Conservative" Bankers on Wall Street for this personal tragedy in my life. When you say I seem conservative, I am, but I am what this word really means, not some contrived construction adopted by a party who has done nothing if not waste trillions of dollars on folly.

The meaning of conserve according to Dictionary.com is, "To prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of." That is what I am in favor of, not the curent meaning political conservatives try to make it mean.

I hope this gives a little more clarity into the inner workings of my mind. In a previous comment you made you said that money is best used in the hands of Small Business Owners. I could not agree more, but who gets to take advantage of our political system are those who need no more, but whose greed is unbounded.

Blessings to you Jacab,

Lela


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

"The IQ's of the blue states are considerably higher than the red states. I can't say that becoming a liberal will raise your IQ, but given that only one of the red states is even up to the 100 mark, it is certainly something to consider. "

Your entire hub could not be more deceptive.

You start with a title stating the conclusion of a university study? My search of the internet shows no study that puts forth that conclusion if you read the study. Then you site an article describing a study as "Higher IQ linked to liberalism, atheism" by a researcher but you obviously have never read that study.

There are always articles every day that sensationalize and misreport study results to either propagandize their view point or sell copy and any one article about a study on any subject is no indication of validity of its conclusions.

Then of all things you claim some credibility to your hub title premise by displaying a map of blue and red states? This is so blatantly propagandizing as to not even merit consideration of credibility. Red or Blue, any state contains a population that is not nearly 100% either Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative but a mix which in most states is close to 50/50. According to your "map" there is no way to tell whether the majority of the IQs lie in the red or the blue parts (say by county) of any one state. This is just an example of one of the tricks liberals use to make false points that appear to coincide with what ever narrative they want you to blindly accept and it works as you can tell by some of the comments on this hub..

But I am glad you included your red state blue state analysis because it goes a long way to demonstrate the totally unscientific self (liberal beliefs) serving, propagandizing, nature of your own hubpage.

If you are tempted to delete my comment to censor my right to free speech or to avoid embarrassment by the truth I fully understand so please do.


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CreatePerfection 4 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Everyone has an opinion. Thank you for sharing yours.


PokerFace 3 years ago

Interesting points, tsadjatko. I suppose a better way to get data is to administer IQ tests and political compass tests to random individuals and then try to find a correlation between views and intelligence :P I think we can estimate liberal:conservative ratios based on the ballot counts from the election.

I feel that if you are referring to my voting patterns when you say political views, my other biological circumstances shape my stances. As a queer person, I cannot afford to stand apart from my brothers and sisters in our pursuit of happiness. Our numbers are so small that our only chance is to stick together. Therefore, I always cast my vote with my brethren after we collectively decide on something. That means when there's votes going around, I will definitely vote liberal. Additionally, as a woman and a person of color, I don't see what I can possibly gain by voting with a group whose policies do not favor us.

However, if you're talking about actual views, I'm your fellow libertarian, even if I'll be voting liberal until the day we take over. As for IQ, I feel like each side has good and bad ideas and each side has people that I respect. I'm not sure as to my stance on economic policies, as my gut tells me that a significant portion of what's happening inside any country's borders has as much to do with what's going on in the rest of the world, which we can't control that well as it does the policies inside its borders. I know for sure that extreme government regulation (ie communism) has never led to good results, but I'm not sure on the details. Jacob and Create, I do agree with your stances on encouraging entrepreneurs.

Create, I understand your feelings on this issue. I feel like several huge things are definitely not boosting the conservatives' public image. The first is some extreme group's refusal to believe in evolution/global warming for religious reason. What's worse is that I've seen that sort of people automatically label everyone who did not agree with them as a liberal, even though many proponents of good science are conservatives. It's impossible to reason with them as their ears seem to be deaf to good science. Then there are the groups that tried to legalize the use of religious beliefs as an excuse to bully people. They seem to conveniently forget that the religion that they're referring to advocates peace and love. Then there's the lady who ran over her husband for not voting. She's invited a lot of negative comments about conservatives when she made the news.

On the other hand, I know some brilliant conservatives. It's a shame they get a lot less attention than the ones that I mentioned in the preceding paragraph.

Sooo... where do libertarians and other independents fall on this IQ map? :P


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hello PokerFace,

As you say, good and bad in everyone. I personally am a moderate independent with libertarian leanings. I don't know how important IQ is, but intelligence is more than that. Intelligence includes the ability to reason and to consider the impact of one's actions. I do not see that in today's politics. What I do see is a group of elected officials who have lost sight of what is important to their constituents.

Thank you for your comment.


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Tom Koecke 3 years ago from Tacoma, Washington

Nice to meet you, CP!

There is certainly something about intelligence and progressive thinking. I believe it has more to do with seeking higher truths and considering contrary ideologies making a person more intelligent, and believing dogma and exercising prejudice making a person less intelligent, than it does with education.

I contend that redistribution helps the wealthy more than it does the poor. It is often countered with "it is unfair." I suppose they believe the unintended consequence of theft and murder for survival is more fair.

We had a prime example of someone favoring prejudice over intelligence yesterday when Wayne LaPierre of the NRA said the solution to school shootings was to put armed policemen in every school, and to deal with the culture that glorifies killing in movies, in video games, and on TV. He offered no solution on how these policemen would be paid, or what the consequences of pulling currently paid policemen off other duties may be. It was terrifically ironic, though, that he suggested that the second amendment was not the problem; the problem is the first amendment!

Even those of us who generally support the second amendment must either think the guy is an idiot or join him in his idiocy! What a choice, but some will go one way and some will go the other.

I guess my main point is that I enjoyed your hub. I look forward to reading more.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Tom Koecke,

Thank you for your wise comment. The incident with Wayne LaPierre speaking about armed police officers at each school continues to prove the point of the article. "Conservatives" are very faithful to the institutions of fear. They make excuses instead of facing the reality of their actions.

The current fiscal situation in the Republican lead Congress is another example. Even their own constituents are saying we want you to increase taxes on the top 2% of our citizens which are the super wealthy and it has been proven that keeping taxes lower on this group does not have a significant affect on the economy. What makes a big difference is keeping taxes lower on the middle and lower income groups, because most of the small business owners are in this group, and because the more disposable income this group has, the more they spend and save, which improves the economy tremendously.

The fact that Obama was reelected speaks loudly for a population that is tired of the super rich running everything in our government, and it amazes me that after this past election the conservatives in congress are still kowtowing to this group.

Thank you again for your coment.

Best wishes,

Lela


Drake 3 years ago

This data is skewed. Most of the blue states are also states with large metropolitan areas in them where people are more likely to be educated (because there are jobs in cities) which is of course going to be connected to a higher IQ.

There are plenty of studies on the internet that show that liberals and conservatives are extremely close to each other in terms of IQ. That being said, using IQ as a reference point to who is the more intelligent political party is pointless. Having a high IQ does not directly correlate to being able to make correct political decisions.

Your blog was so blatantly biased, which is your right but it is still laughable. "They care only about themselves" in reference to conservatives. Really? Your wide sweeping generalizations are pathetic.

There's no reasons why you can't like ideas from both sides, right wing and left wing. Grow up, it is this partisan crap that is destroying our country.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you for sharing.


Jane Goodson 3 years ago

This is inaccurate. Conservative methods have been proven throughout history to work time and time. Liberalism is a political ideal based on emotion and impulse, not logic. If liberals truly have higher IQs, please explain while black people, who, no offense intended, ARE the backbone of the liberal agenda, have been proven to have an average of a 30 point decreased IQ compared to the average white person, whom is 6 points lower than the asian, according to a study by Yale. Kennedy, Clinton, and Reagan all applied conservative methods, especially tax slashes, and the economy soared.


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Credence2 3 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Jane, you are a racist, who says that blacks are the backbone of the liberal agenda? perhaps you should do your homework and realize that Jews, Hispanics, Asians voted for Obama in majorities. You and your line of reasoning is the "case in point" for this article.


Jane Goodman 3 years ago

Another thing that must be noted is that internationally the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are much different. For instance, in Europe, liberal means equality and liberty for all, while in the US, liberal means the idea that the government needs to take a direct intervention in society in order for it to function. The same way, in the US we think of conservatives are people who believe we need to spend less, become self sufficient, and have less government. In a country like China, conservative would mean going back to back to Communism.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Jane,

I am going to have to agree with Credence2 on this one. Liberalism also means equality in the U.S. Had it not been for the liberals, minorities and women would not have had the rights we now have. Also, conservative politics has NOTHING to do with conservatism. If you look back you will see that the highest deficits were created under Reagan and George W. Bush. The additions they left to the national debt were, in combination, more than all the other previous administrations combined. You mention Kennedy and Clinton, Kennedy was more responsible for racial and gender equality than any other president, and Clinton was the only president in modern times to create a surplus, by raising taxes on the wealthy, which George W. Bush promptly gave the wealthy back.

In the last election, Mitt Romney promised to undo the regulations placed on Wall Street during Obama's first term. As it is the regulations that were imposed on them were not nearly enough given they brought our country's economy to its knees, but Romney received hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions from these same Wall Street bankers and promised them he would deregulate them entirely again. As the article says, conservative politics loves the institutions of the past, only because they are of the past, even if the time for that type of governing is over.

This is not a country of the wealthy. It is a country of the middle and lower income citizens, too, and it is time to consider all of the people of our country in ALL legislation, not just those who can buy our elected officials.

Lela


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

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LauraGT 3 years ago from MA

As someone who lives in the second smartest state (and went to college in the smartest state!) I feel like I should have a good explanation for why smart states are liberal and vice versa. I have to believe there are many confounding factors - education level, for example, and the fact that IQ tests favor certain groups over others. As a liberal, I would like to think that it's because liberals tend to think more critically about issues, but I know many conservatives who have razor sharp critical thinking skills. Interesting - great food for thought!


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

LauraGT,

Thanks for your comment. I think what you said makes sense. It is not a good idea to generalize where people are concerned, but some of the things our elected officials do and don't do leave me wondering about the legitimacy of our electoral process. Thanks again for your wise comment.

Best,

Lela


This is stupid 3 years ago

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Some liberal kid with too much time on his hands


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you for stopping by and thank you for your comment.


Mike 3 years ago

Alright, and the majority of folks living in trailer parks vote Democrat.


Ethan 3 years ago

Well I've had mine professionally tested and its over 140 and I'm about as right wing as you can possibbly get. But I see the political spectrum as a Tyranny vs. Freedom spectrum rather than the traditional liberal vs. conservative.


Kabuki 3 years ago

No doubt the IQ tests had questions such as "Is gay marriage good?". "Correct" answer was yes.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Ethan,

Thank you and right on. It really is about tyranny vs. freedom, but I think the issue between liberals and conservatives comes down to how they interpret the actions that should be taken by those in political power. Do they create more freedom for everyone here in this democracy or do they create an environment of suppression for a huge segment of the population? This is the biggest question a citizenry should ponder in a nation where the constitution guarantees ALL its citizens the same freedoms. You can not, in a free country, treat one group, the super wealthy with favoritism and treat those of lesser financial means with disdain.

Thank you for your comment; very thought provoking.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Kabuki,

Thanks so much for your comment. Part of the problem between the conservatives and the liberals is the conservatives think it is necessary or desireable to dictate lifestyle and personal choices through legislation to the masses, but in a country where our freedom of choice is guaranteed by the constitution, it is inappropriate to dictate lifestyle and personal choices that do not break any laws. All personal choices should come under the constitution's guarantee of the pursuit of happiness.


Otto 3 years ago

One thing I would like to point out


Otto 3 years ago

Just checking....is that the population in Liberal States is predominantly White. Take Massachusetts for example 86.+ percent white. So the Liberals have figured a way to keep the rifraf at bay. Its an old trick, raise the taxes so they can not afford to live there then dictate to the rest of the country what they should or should not do.

Anyway your argument has lots of holes in it.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Otto,

Thanks for stopping by, but what you said sounds more like racial prejudice to me. I did not see anything in your comment that would reflect liberal or conservative views. It is still a free country which guarantees us the freedom to speak our minds; what it doesn't guarantee is that what we say is true. We all have opinions. The primary characteristic of opinions is that they are NOT based on truth, but rather on our conjecture.


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Tom Koecke 3 years ago from Tacoma, Washington

What Otto also does not explain is why a state with predominantly white and above average income population is liberal. The two most common demographic characteristics tied to conservatism are white and wealthy. One explanation for the seeming discrepancy is that one demographic for liberals is white and educated. Obviously, there are other demographic characteristics for liberal folks, but education is one of the primary characteristics, just as the author contends.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Thank you, Tom. As you say, higher education is one of the primary characteristics of liberals. People who are more highly educated seem to have a greater tendency to think outside the box than those who don't have a higher education.

One of the characteristics of political conservatives is they admire the institutions of the past, even if the time for that is over. One example of this is that the monetary system of the U.S. is being run by the big banks instead of by our elected governance. They brought this country to its knees economically, but because of conservative politics, George Bush, the president at the time and his Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson decided to use tax payer dollars to bail them out and then the banks turned on the taxpayers and used the money to buy each other out and giving themselves huge bonuses, instead of making credit available to revive the economy as it was intended.

It is time we stopped allowing the banks to dictate our economic policies in the United States and force our elected officials to do the job they were elected to do.


MF Burbauigh 3 years ago

This entire study is of course bogus, as all teh socalled 'educasted' people would instantly see. Harvard University did a REAL study of more than 100,000 people over 12 years and it showed how truly mentally challenged Democrats were. But nice try.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

MF Burbauigh,

Thank you for sharing your opinion. If you know anything about quantum physics you know that what the observer is searching for has everything to do with the results. Thus, the results of all studies mirror the mindset of those doing the study. I guess all studies are bogus, based on quantum theory. So, if we are to decide who is really intelligent, we must look at the trail left by those who governed. The conservative congress we have right now has said much and done much to disenfranchise their constituency. Whether this will have been a good decision or a bad decision will come to pass soon and we will be able to tell for ourselves whether they have acted intelligently or not. IQ might tell us the potential that a person has, but it cannot tell us whether they have enough real intelligence, or common sense to do the right thing. The right thing being the thing that most supports the general citizenry of the U.S., not jut those with the most money.


Bryan 3 years ago

My god, this is exactly why I'm an independent. I see the good and bad of each parties views but the voters in particular scare me. Republicans/Conservatives need to stop being so stubborn and paranoid, and Democrats/Liberals need to stop thinking they are intellectually superior, high and mighty, everyone who disagrees with me is dumb because my OPINION, key word, is better than yours.. basically both sides dont seem to realize as good as their ideas sound to them, they dont speak to everyone, which is good, a world where everyone agrees would be boring.. and slightly creepy. My two cents.


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Bryan,

I applaud your wisdom. I, too, am an independent. I consider myself to be a moderate independent. I wrote this article because I think the study is timely, but until people realize that their opinion is just that, conjecture not based in fact, we will have people whose motives are designed to serve only themselves. The problem with self-serving legislators is evident in every part of this land. The majority of people are never served by those elected because the primary goal of those elected is to serve their own greed and intolerance.

In a land, such as the United States, much harm can come to the country by the short-sightedness of those we allow to govern, and that is what has come to pass. We owe trillions of dollars, we cannot pay back. One in 6 people are below the poverty level. Over 17 million children in this country go to bed hungry every night. The rest of the world hates us and fears our irrationality and they cannot trust us to do the right thing which would be to consider the consequences of our actions and do the thing that would most support everyone's well-being.

Thank you so much for your comment. It is a breath of fresh air.


Mike 3 years ago

This map is a fake. True IQ demographics are virtually reversed, and show a strong correlation based on immigration numbers. Sorry people. Fact check your borrowed information before making fools of yourselves.


Ken 3 years ago

Correlation without causation is meaningless


GreedrulestheGOP 3 years ago

@ the poster who linked skin colour to iq, India has more people with an iq above 120 than there are people living in the usa....or are they not brown enough to count?


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

GreedrulestheGOP your comment is right on. As long as people use small mindedness and prejudice to decide important issues that will be the evidence and validation for what the University study said is true. Thank you for your comment.


Blank 3 years ago

My father is a conservative, but he has an iq of 175 much higher than most people. So this must not always be true


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CreatePerfection 3 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Hi Blank,

The study and the article do not say that people who are conservatives have a lower IQ, it says people with lower IQ's typically become political conservatives. Hope that clarifies the issue for you. Thank you for your comment.


HAHAHA 2 years ago

Well, my post was deleted because it called to attention the authors attempt to separate the Senate from the Congress. This was an attempt to make the Senate look like the good guys because it is mostly democrat, and to make the HOR look like the bad guys because they are mostly repubs. Our congress in bicameral. This means that our CONGRESS in made up of two houses. These houses are the House of Representatives and the Senate. Do we have a do nothing congress? Yes. Is it only the House of Representatives? No. The dems in the senate are just as much to blame. Everyone must remember that the repubs only control ONE HALF OF ONE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. The dems still control TWO AND A HALF BRANCHES OF THE THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.


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CreatePerfection 2 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

The reason I deleted your first comment was because it was mean spirited. You were not attempting to create a conversation, you merely wanted to be right, and in the process, show contempt for me, the author. I know that the Congress is the combination of the two houses, but because the media refers to the HOR as Congress, I used the familiar term to make a distinction in the reader's view.

I never mind having some one disagree with me. What I do mind is someone who is abusive and condescending. Early on in the comments, I made a statement that I would not approve mean spirited or hate filled commentary. Hubpages is a forum, it is not a place to sling slanderous comments. I have approved your second comment, because although you are still criticizing me instead of letting your opinion stand on its own, for the most part, you are making a valid point. The point being, we have been sabotaged by our whole body of elected officials in Congress and it is our own fault for electing such self serving bureaucrats. By the way, the definition of bureaucrat is "An official who works by fixed routine without exercising intelligent judgment. "

You are always welcome to comment on any subject that I author, what I will not approve is your making it personal because you do not know me.


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CreatePerfection 2 years ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

To TheRealTruth,

You are a racist, pure and simple. I will never publish a comment that only intends to be hate filled and has no basis in truth.


TheRealTruth 2 years ago

Everything is magically "contempt."

Everything is magically "slanderous."

Everything is magically "racist."

Everything is magically "hate filled."

Everything is magically "personal" and I need to be reminded "you do not know me."

Just way your Politically Correct wand and you can magically transform anything.

Since you belong to the Indoctrinated Cult of Political Correctness and anti-White ethnomasochism, you can self-righteously make this all to common Inquisitional cry:

"You are a racist, pure and simple. I will never publish a comment that only intends to be hate filled and has no basis in truth."

The truth is simple:

Blacks followed by Hispanics have the lowest IQ.

Blacks followed by Hispanics are Liberal in every nation on earth.


University Study 2 years ago

Until I meet a liberal with an IQ over 100, I am forced to assume that this study is flawed. See how that smarts? Either the study is incorrect, or I am an anomaly who is so utterly intelligent that I am capable of poking holes in liberal thought in a single intellectual bound wherever such stupidity is found. Ignoring the homogeneity of liberalist thought in universities is ironically and deliciously stupid when the supposed homogeneity of conservatives is the theoretical basis for the supposed comparative lack of sagacity. The appeals to novelty in the references to this 'study' are particularly amusing to those of us who always suspected liberals were foolish, but were waiting for liberals to create a study like this to remove all doubt from that suspicion. The study attempted to throw intellectual jabs, but instead gave substantial proof that the authors of the study are (as conservatives had already suspected) not very intellectually-gifted. Being wrong in a myriad of new ways is a very strange sort of vanity; avoiding being correct for fear of repetition is possibly insanity.


Southern Born 2 years ago

What a bunch of crap. Only a liberal would believe this garbage. And yes, I could have made a more intelligent response but felt these are the words anyone that believes this so called study could comprehend..


Robert 2 years ago

Most of you folks are idiots...This is media.. Why wouldn't media find "results" to support their agenda? It's common sense; ie: no thinking required.

But then California is blue... and they're going bankrupt. So how exactly again is a state full of illegal aliens and those with white guilt superior in intelligence than say the people of any red state with hardly any illegals?

This is the perfect example of media bias and political correctness.. As long as any group can fund their own studies and find "results" that just happen to support their own logical fallacies, we'll never know the truth to anything. How convenient.


sl1mjm 2 years ago

Odd that your map looks so different than this one: http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=1768...

The other map looks a lot more like you would expect IQ distribution to look like. Yours looks like a cartoon someone created just to prove the exact point you are trying to make. Maybe it's not derived from a real analysis of IQ by state? In any case, not sure that higher IQ = higher intelligence.

Anyway. Congratulations. You seem to have succeeded in pissing off the conservatives, and pumping up the chests of liberals.


sl1mjm 2 years ago

There was a book called The Bell Curve that talked about racial differences in IQ distribution. Liberals sure hated that one. Why do they love this article? Curious isn't it?


Breazy7 2 years ago

Based on the belief that the author of this article thinks that you can actually improve your IQ, it is clear they have no idea how IQs and IQ scores actually work. Not surprising. Honestly some of the dumbest and most unintelligent people I have ever had the displeasure of meeting have been liberals. I am not a conservative either. I used to think I was a liberal until I realized how moronic they usually seem to be.


Blessed Star 21 months ago

I must say that I am overwhelmingly perturbed by this biased article. Saying that "more intelligent people are liberals" has got to be the most biased, bigoted and judgmental thing I have read all year. I must say, that you are pretty "unintelligent" in your assessment. I am neither liberal or conservative, so before you go and make more bigoted assumptions let me go ahead and clarify that. Throughout my long life, I have had the blessings of traveling the world, and unlike you, have spoken with lots of people, also from around the world, in their native countries. Now, rather or not the indigenous people's of each land were "conservative" or "liberal" in their views, has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. My father is a highly successful and intelligent college graduate and has performed his professional duties all over the world. I emailed him this article and asked him what he thought of it. He thought the same as me, and said that you, author, have absolutely no idea what you are speaking about. Indeed, I hope you can free yourself of close minded blindness sweetheart, and realize that politics has nothing to do with intelligence. Making inaccurate and unfair judgments only displays your own inability to see the world through an open minded and broad spectrum. I will pray for you.


KoDas 20 months ago

I would like to see such an IQ map for Europe by countries. It will be quite a surprise, I believe.


Craig 16 months ago

The Author's claims are supported by quantitative data. Saying "I met some dumb liberals before" only strengthens the authors position. Human minds are very bad at objective reality, case in point, look how long humanity "believed" the Earth was flat because the horizon appeared to "drop off". You can't use your own personal life experiences as a method of measuring anything on a national or global scale, because you can only see up to the horizon. For a while now I've been suspecting that the people I talk to about "hot button" political issues, that identify themselves as Conservatives, may actually be incapable of understanding the concepts necessary to make the logical connections that form the basis of most "liberal" arguments. I didn't have any real data to support this idea so it just stayed a suspicion. It takes a certain level of intelligence to see patterns and order in what most would see as chaotic and unrelated data. I started asking people this as a litmus test (and for entertainment purposes) and the responses I noted were not at all surprising. "During the Holocaust millions of people died, much of the culture, wealth and family connections of the Jewish people were destroyed in the process. As a result the state of Israel was established, and billions of dollars are sent annually from various nations, including the Germany and United States, for it's maintenance". I then give them this definition: Reparation-the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged. ""During the Trans-Atlantic slave trade millions of people died, much of the culture, wealth and family connections of the African people were destroyed in the process. As a result a method of reparation must be sought for those who are still affected by its ramifications". If the you are fine with the first statement, but the second offends you, you would be responding similar to how most of the self-identifying conservatives I have asked this question responded. If you can see the logical connection between the two statements you would be responding to how most of the self-identifying liberals and independents responded. I think there is a certain level of intelligence required to understand such a concept.


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CreatePerfection 16 months ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Craig,

Your comment is brilliant. This is exactly the point of the article. Thank you for such a thoughtful contribution to this discussion.


Dan Cronk 16 months ago

You do realize that that "study" simply took the average IQ of a state and assigned the ENTIRE state to either being liberal or conservative. No state is entirely conservative or liberal. This doesn't prove anything other than the ignorance of people that when presented with a study they stop using their brains.

Of the 18,245,970 California voters registered for the November 6, 2012, general election:[3]

43.7% were Democrats

29.4% were Republicans

6.0% were affiliated with other political parties

20.9% were unaffiliated ("Decline to State" or "No Party Preference") voters

Connecticut voter registration and party enrollment as of October 30, 2012[183]

Party Active voters Inactive voters Total voters Percentage

Republican 430,564 19,084 449,648 20.27%

Democratic 768,176 47,537 815,713 36.77%

Unaffiliated 872,839 60,440 933,279 42.06%

Minor parties 18,960 1,063 20,023 0.90%

Total 2,090,539 128,123 2,218,662 100%

Those are just a couple of examples. Democrats only make up 36.77% of Connecticut and yet this study is attributing the ENTIRE states average IQ to being connected with being liberal? I'm neither liberal or conservative. I'm a libertarian just for the record. Just had to point out this study is absolutely asinine.


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CreatePerfection 16 months ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Don,

You must not have read the actual study. The article was based on the university study, not on the graphic.


tiretroll 9 months ago

After 59 years of observation I find liberals believe so it must be true. With conservatives it is true so I must believe. Personally the truth is the truth no mater how hard you try to twist it.

I have been tested 3 times. The first test was at age 11, IQ 130. My last test two test were age 47 and 48, I testes 120 and 134 respectively.

I was robbed in an armed home invasion by three men in ski masks with hand guns. They tied my hands behind my back, put a pillow case over my head and proceeded to play a round of Russian roulette with my head.

I understand the need for guns and the ability to protect my self. When I was robbed I called the police 10 blocks away then my land lord two miles away then my father 5 miles away. In order my father arrived then my land lord arrived then finely the police.

One of the officers recommended the purchase of a firearm. I now have a permit for concealed carry of a firearm.

With a Beretta pistol at 50 yards I can put a full magazine into a paper plate and with an AR 15 I can hit a bottle cap at 100 yards.

I must have an ID10T problem. I just can not understand why it is superior to be victim over being able to defend myself.

I see it as r/k selection and most people that I have met that call themselves liberals are r/selection. I thought I was a liberal but then I aged a little.

IQ has little to do with your politics unless you have been to collage. In collage if you are conservative and it is known it will affect your grades. Liberal professors superior intellect can not accept a truth other than the truth they believe to be true, only because they believe it, not because it is really the truth.

There are many true believers here, I am not one of them.


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CreatePerfection 9 months ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

The most recent evidence proving this study is the number of uneducated people and people with lower IQ"s who are voting for Donald Trump. I am glad I have created a forum for this subject, and I stand by the study's conclusion that people who are less educated and with lower IQ's tend to be conservatives politically. If Donald Trump is elected president it will set the rights of women, blacks, Hispanics, religious freedom, the freedom of speech and the right to health care and education for the masses back hundreds of years. One of the characteristics of conservatives I mentioned in the article is they only care about themselves. This is indicative of the Trump voters. They do not care that the super rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are getting poorer, as long as they have what they need. They do not care that people with low incomes do not have health care or educational opportunities, because they have health care and educational opportunities. They do not care that women make much less doing the same job as a man, because most of them are men, or women who do not need to work. The rest of them are well known for voting against their own best interest and that is where the uneducated and lower IQ's come into play. Thanks for taking your time to comment and by the way, you could substitute the word intelligence for IQ and the same point is made.


tiretroll 9 months ago

I did not say anything about Mr Trump. Where did that come from?

We have a liberal junior senator that never finished his first term for a president. The Affordable Health Care Act is not affordable. My health insurance has doubled and my neighbors is more than double what he was paying. Three family's on my block have no one employed, one family lost there house to foreclosure. Now I am unemployed and can not find work paying anything close to what I was making. If you check the Baltic Dry Index you will see container shipping is lower than it was in the 2008 crisis. In fact you can rent a container ship cheaper than renting a Ferrari. Your fearless leader said if you say the economy is bad you are peddling fiction. The banks want a negative interest rate so people are buying gold and silver or just pulling cash out of the banking system. Now there is talk of eliminating the $100 bill, 500 euro and other large currencies. Next step will be a cashless society so you have no choice, everyone will have a negative interest rate bank account. That will really help the lower classes. I really don't believe Mr Trump could damage our country as bad as our current president without trying. Did you know all US presidents genealogy except one can be traced back to King John of England? http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/all-u-s-president...

I no longer believe in the left right paradigm they are all one happy family. A family of rulers. Maybe that's why Mr trump is hated by the political establishment. Lets see Mr Trump's genealogy, maybe he is not in the Royal Family.


RetroG 9 months ago

I have to call out some of your comments here:

"The most recent evidence proving this study is the number of uneducated people and people with lower IQ"s who are voting for Donald Trump."

According to exit polls, Obama received twice as many votes from high school dropouts than either McCain or Romney. Its the least educated who vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. College graduates are split pretty evenly between those who vote R or D.

"If Donald Trump is elected president it will set the rights of women, blacks, Hispanics, religious freedom, the freedom of speech and the right to health care and education for the masses back hundreds of years."

This is just absurd. First of all, the President does not have the power to undo 'hundreds of years of progress' by himself without compliance of Congress. Secondly, believing this is simply insane. For example, Trump has already stated that he will not touch the issue of abortion.

"This is indicative of the Trump voters. They do not care that the super rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are getting poorer, as long as they have what they need."

The rich have gotten richer at far faster rate during Obama's terms than during Bush's. Wages for the poor and middle class have been flat. The Democrats have not fixed these problems, but instead made them worse.

"They do not care that women make much less doing the same job as a man, because most of them are men, or women who do not need to work. "

The 'gender wage gap' has been thoroughly debunked countless times. Women do not earn less money for the same job as a man. Its a lie that will not go away because people keep repeating it.


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CreatePerfection 9 months ago from Beautiful Colorado Author

Your denial is not the truth. It is your opinion. Thanks for sharing yet another opinion on this topic.

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