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The Totally Illogical Logic Of Gun Grabbers

Gun grabbers usually are operating on pure emotion. If they aren't doing that they are politically motivated liberals in the arena. Yes, Aurora was unfortunate but there was an invite to nuts when they made theaters "no gun" zones. So who's going to bring a gun into such a zone? Not a law abiding citizen mind you. Sandy Hook was a travesty but then again here they made schools what? You got it - "NO GUN" zones. So who shows up in such areas? Connect the dots time gun grabbers.

I was asked by an old friend who knows of my past background as a military firearms type of guy to produce this Hub. I will emphasize what that user wanted me to point out and also bring several other myths to your attention. Maybe a reader here or there might learn something along the way.

Something To Consider

Myth #1 is brought to us by a "not near nuclear scientist" Representative in Congress from the state of Colorado by the name of Diana DeGette who wants to out gaffe our Crazy Uncle Joe Biden. Isn't this comedy routine coming out of Foggy Bttom getting old? Now Diana is obviously a genius at showing us how stupid she really is concerning firearms and high capacity magazines. Sometimes it's best to keep your pie hole closed.

Now somehow, in Diana's mind, when the last round is spent from a magazine the magazine, no matter what capacity, is useless and will be discarded rather than reloaded. She has obviously never heard of speed loading. For you who don't know this that is common with large capacity magazines. The rounds come ready on a strip to be inserted quickly into a magazine to reload said magazine.

Here's her explanation of the whole large capacity magazine controversy: “I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those now they’re going to shoot them; so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot, and there won’t be any more available." The problem is that everything she said there is a fairy tale manufactured in her pea brain.

I know! I know! She never said it right liberal left wing advocates of killing the Second Amendment? The Frog Prince is lying and exaggerating again. Right? Watch the video and think that this is the same woman who was advocating banning high capacity magazines in a House bill. No bullets = no more magazines or is it the other way around. Listening to her will get anyone confused..

She is mindless but listen from minute 3 onward at a minimum. and yes, she does point out her exalted position in the Democratic hierarchy.

Incredible! And She Is Passing It Off As Fact? Does She Go Skeet Shooting With Obama Or What?

Myth #2 is served up regularly by the Lame Stream Media citing mythical polls conducted by who knows who. It goes like this. Ninety (90) percent of Americans want Obama and Congress to mandate background checks on all gun purchasers in our nation. Oh the statements that flow from the lips of media pundits. They pony up with this next myth. 40 percent of all gun sales have no background checks or governmental oversight involved. Was that Fast & Furious gun sales or some other type of gun running this administration is involved in?

This gets rich in fable and the Congresswoman should beam. Did you know that about 100,000 of your fellow citizens are slain by gun fire every year? Did you know that? I hope not because it isn't true. This next one is one Obama loves. Guns take more American children each year than the grim reaper of cancer snares each year, not true so relax a bit. Children are Obama's props, not mine.

This is the fodder for low information voters that is fed the sheeple by the Lame Stream Media. Lets just twist the facts like a pretzel so they aren't recognizable and feed the loafers of the world who don't bother to check and still believe everything Obama and the government says. Oh yeah, that's the ticket.

Majority of the electorate and the cornerstone of American politics

Lets examine the 90% figure. That amounts to 290 million (+ or -) of the populace. You can't get that many people to agree on anything I can think of in this nation. Obama himself didn't garner 90% of the loafer vote let alone the support of that many people in the country to further erode our Bill of Rights. Our far left wing rights grabbers want you to believe otherwise even though they themselves know better. It's fodder.

FACT: Yes there was previously a high of 57%, right after Sandy Hook, in a poll favoring stricter gun control legislation. Now? 39% of the people want the laws kept the same and 11% want them lessened. The stricter advocates fell to 47% during that time span. Do the math gun grabbers.

FACT: The origin of the 40% loophole of "no checks" on firearms sales came from one Michael Bloomberg of Big Gulp fame. If you believe anything that guy says and have I got a bridge for you. Even the Washington Post poo-pooed that nonsense noting that gun show sales amounted to 3.9% of all firearms sales made in this country.

I think that the pablum servers in this nation should at least attempt to be intellectually honest with loafers (low information types) even though they seem to be at a disadvantage. Or maybe it is the servers who are at a disadvantage? For 23 years I was the finger on a trigger. Take me from behind the sights and the trigger and all that was left was one big paperweight. Got that?

I'm amazed at the audacity of the left at times. Cancer and children? Really? And just how many children died by abortion in the same time frame? Do you see heaps of hypocrisy in any of this folks? Now we have the same pablum servers equating what just happened in Boston to gun control legislation and the sequestration. Thank Steny Hoyer for the last gaffe there. He's Little Joey Biden's main shill. Grab a shotgun Steny and sic em boy!

Originally, yes, there was talk about having a serious national discussion concerning gun violence. Then the fear mongers took over and the jig was up once again. Wassup with that? And yes, the whole gun control shebang just went up with a bang in the US Senate and we have yet to see a budget passed. But don't worry. They won't get around to it. Harry Reid said he won't give up and Obama said it was round one. How about the economy fellas?

Obama asked for the vote during his SOTU address, got it and now doesn't like it?

He asked for the vote on this nonsense and he got it then wants to be the crybaby once again. someone please give the man a tissue. Maybe even a box or better yet a case?

QUOTE OF THE DAY: “The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill, they claimed that it would create some sort of ‘big brother’ gun registry, even though the bill did the opposite. This legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry.”

His lips were moving during the 15 minute tongue lashing and talking down to the will of the American people with lie after lie after lie. The man does have gumption I must say. He should have been that emotional in his "Boston" speech huh? There he couldn't bring himself to use the "T" word so as not to offend his Muslim brothers.

"Vote It," "Like"It, "Tweet" It, "Pin " It, "Share It" With Your Followers. Time to let em read it and keep reading it.

As Always,


The Frog Prince

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Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

Silly Frog, there you go again with facts and logic. How do you expect people to digest those after a steady diet of propagandized paplum. Just step away from your gun, your rights, your liberty and your common sense and all will be forgiven.

Great Hub.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

I know Mitch. I heard that Obama has his tighty whitey's in a bunch over his latest failure to move us closer to total control. Oh well...

The Frog


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, you are obviously still waiting for a hint of common sense to apply to any of this gun control issue. You might as well stop waiting because it is not going to happen. Those who are the most vocal are the least educated on the subject, and spew misinformation by the bucket full. Sadly, their loyal followers believe every word they say.

I saw a hub this morning where we just purchased a number of helicopters from Russia to give to Afghanistan. You suppose any of these same idiots will find any fault with this?


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - I'll save my money on that bet and go buy a box of donuts.

TFP


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Good thinking Jim.


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Misfit Chick 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

Here's a HINT on why no one can write or talk about this issue with any kind of logical debate - BOTH sides are too busy making fun of each other and calling each other idiots (I particularly enjoyed the Homer Simpson insult above). I wrote my own hubs on this subject and I agree with much of what you've said. But for the people you would OBVIOUSLY like to get through to - you've wasted your time making sure they're too insulted from the beginning to WANT to get through it.


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Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

Thanks, now I want a donut...they're not banned yet, right?


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Misfit Chick - I was very logical in this analysis and used facts. That is the low information voter repellant I prefer to use as a writer. I also try to blend a little humor and satire sprinkled here and there throughout. Get through to? You have me confused with somebody else. LMAO! Listen some of these loafers are so drunk on koolaid that there is no getting through. Obama lies continually and they continue to worship at his feet. That's not my audience if you get my drift. I try to get through to the at least half sane ones.

Mitch - Krispee Kreme sounds good huh?

The Frog


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breakfastpop 3 years ago

Your common sense info gets through to people who have common sense. That, in itself, is a huge problem. It's like gun laws, they only get through to law-abiding citizens. The fools and the criminals just go on their merry way.


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mike102771 3 years ago from Lakemore, Ohio

I said it before and I am going to say it again. Common sense is not so common anymore.


Brad Masters 3 years ago

TFP

Excellent hub, but don't you have the feeling that the people that need to read and understand this hub just won't do it, or understand it.

I like the CryBama image.

Almost fifty percent of the gun deaths were suicides, and a large percentage of other gun deaths can be attributed to the gangs, there are over 1.4 million gang members, and over 33,000 gangs operating in the US.

There are over 250,000 gang members in jails and prisons, and they still can conduct gang business.

These gangs deal in illegal activities and services, including child prostitution, human trafficking, and gun running.

The Boston tragedy apparently still shows Homeland Security as merely reactive, and not proactive.

ibm


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

This comment will most likely draw some fire. If every citizen in this country was armed and trained in the use of their weapon of choice, the crime rate would fall close to zero. It will never be zero no matter what we do.

Even armed muggers, robbers, and rapists are reluctant to victimize another armed person. In most cases, the victims are chosen because they appear to be the most defenseless and weakest person around.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Brad - I have liberals who read my work. They furiously Google the facts I use and if they can't dispute them they hit the "vote down" button and move on. As a writer I continue to write and one can either bother to read or remain ignorant.

The other thing they do is report the quality of the graphics I use because their panties get in a bunch. The quality is always readable and I have had a moderator admit to me that the reason was because the twits get in a stir. Oh well...

I do like to use graphics to illustrate a point here and there.

TFP


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mike102771 3 years ago from Lakemore, Ohio

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

There are basically three types of anti-gun people.

1) Those who are emotional thinkers, and process events through a filter of how it makes them feel. No amount of logic or persuasion is going to reach them. They have to be emotionally satisfied with their thoughts before they can take a step forward towards the concept of freedom. Otherwise, if it makes them feel sad, angry, depressed or any other negative way they simply will not go there. This hub will/cannot reach these people.

2) Those who are not interested in gun control but people-control. I put most of the academics, media and politicians in this group. They all think they are the elite and know what is best for a people. And having armed people to oppose them is certainly not in ~their~ best interest. Again, this hub is simply not effective with these people. They have no desire to discuss facts, logic or the truth. A known lie in the service of their desires is more than honorable and ethical to them.

3) The third kind we can reach with this hub. That is the general person who depends upon the media for the bulk of their information and once they find out they have been constantly lied to and misinformed they are willing to consider the truth. Different people respond to different types of info processing so one hub that is snarky and full of put-downs may or may not reach any one individual... the same as one with the same info but that is full of rainbows and smiley faces may or may not reach another.

Let's stand together to get the correct info out there anyway that we feel best and let the community have a real choice in their ability to understand these clear facts and principals.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Jack - That's a good picture of the citizens of this nation regarding their acceptance of information. I've been walking this earth for over 6 decades and don't ever remember letting politicians or a slanted media do my thinking for me.

Facts remain facts and any intelligent, informed citizen should endeavor to seek the truth. The trust that we have previously given our elected officials has been shattered with this man. They do see themselves as "The Elite" and somehow along the way "We, the People.." became "They, themselves..." and that needs to be changed.

Progressives seem to ascend to power occasionally throughout this nation's history. They have a tendency to screw the pooch and have to be driven back underground where they plot their next moves to bring about more socialism to this nation. That jeopardizes our freedoms which many take for granted. I do not.

The Frog


Don De Lathouwer 3 years ago

I had to wonder about the lame street media's whining about the mental health issues. If mental health background checks are allowed in the gun "control" debate, people who are mentally ill and want to purchase a firearm would be discriminated against!!! SAY WHAT????

Taxifornia had a legislative bill to be voted on (which was tabled for further study) that would add a tax of 5 cents on every bullet sold in Taxifornia. Supposedly, the money would go into a fund to study mental health. (but, as any one living in Taxifornia knows, those funds would end up in Taxifornia's general fund~~most likely to support it's grossly underfunded public pension/health benefits packages.

If the gun grabbers were to be honest in the discussion, they would open it up to the root causes of violence, moral decay in America.

If the gun grabbers were to be honest in the discussion, they would seek to ban graphic violence in the movies that are being produced in Bollywood (by the liberal left progressives, whose only concern is the almighty dollar)

If the gun grabbers were to be honest in the discussion, they would seek to ban video games which display/promote graphic violence.

If the gun grabbers were to be honest in the discussion, they would DEMAND that "severe" penalties be imposed on any and all illegal gun sales/gun running violations and the harshest penalties be imposed and carried out. (oh, I forgot about "fast and furious"~~and yes, I am suggesting that both Obama and Holder receive long prison sentences)

As you stated, suicides and gang violence account for the vast majority of deaths in this country involving firearms. As an observation, if someone has the inclination and determination to remove themselves from society, (1) I personally would prefer that they seek counseling prior to any irreversible action being taken, and in failing that, (2) they NOT take another human life in their obviously mentally impaired actions of self destruction.

On gang violence, to me the death penalty offers the only workable solution to an obvious total disregard for human life and societal values. It may sound cruel, but let the little punks fry, rather than let them run their criminal enterprises from a jail cell, and terrorize the rest of society. Make the rules clear AND enforce them.

Unfortunately, the gun grabbers/progressives are not seeking solutions for the gun violence in America, they are seeking gun "CONTROL", at the expense of the Constitution AND law abiding citizens.


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mike102771 3 years ago from Lakemore, Ohio

Just food for thought. My (liberal thinking) ex once said to me that instead of prisons we should have mental institutions because you would have to be crazy to commit a crime. She also said you would have to be crazy to want to own a gun. Who will decide who gets to own a gun? People like her?


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

mike - Now there is a scary thought but that is what Obama wants to do.

The Frog


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Pamela99 3 years ago from United States

Jim, This is an excellen article that amplifies the ignorace of the libs, particularly Diana DeGette. Common sense is not something they possess. They haven't seemed to notice the polls of the American people who have numerous issues that they rate higher than anything to do with guns. Well written hub, Awesome even!


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Pamela - Gallup rates gun control @ 4%. As the walls crumble down, Obama and his minions continue to fiddle away at minor problems and help amplify the major ones with stupidity.

The Frog


BradMasters 3 years ago

TFP

It seems like the in the country the minority is the tail wagging the dog, and it is certainly the case with hp.

I don't know what a low graphic means, but it seems to me with all the filters in hp that they could notify you before you publish.

Anyway, I like all your images, and at least you got a moderator, some people just get banned . Like being shot on sight, there is only one story that of the shooter.

ibm


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poetvix 3 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

Great job as usual, Sir Frog. She can't believe the lies she's spouting. If she does, well God help us because she's crazy and stupid. Governments throughout the history of the world have gone after weapons. It comes right before they start going after the people.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Brad - The squeaky wheel usually gets the grease. They cite this mystical pixel jargon and watermarking like it is authoritative. Then it goes a step further about "detracting from the quality of the article." Well now, since I wrote it I am perfectly capable of determining that for myself. If someone wants to be a critic they should at least be polite enough to point out which one(s) they are critiquing and not make it a guessing game.

As far as banning anyone, I don't see the rationale of doing that since you 1) drive away a writer who 2) is bringing readers to this very forum and 3) giving your forum a bad name. Again the cry babies sometimes cry foul when there is none.

poetvix - You and I learned history in school. They ignore it these days. To our detriment I might add.

The Frog


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drbj 3 years ago from south Florida

If 'intelligent, informed citizens would endeavor to seek the truth,' Jim, maybe we could work on some of the real problems with our country at present: rampant unemployment (larger than what our administration will admit), a deficit no one seems willing to work on, an invisible budget, almost half of our citizens on some form of government entitlement, and a (?) leader determined to force the socialistic way of life upon America.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

drbj - All the noise and hostility caused by gun control take the focus off those other problems you mentioned. Not a bad plan when you think about it.


Stu 3 years ago

There is no end to the stupidity and lies coming out of the left in Washington. Do bullets available for purchase "vaporize" because someone empties a clip and can't get a new one? This seems to be what DeGette is saying. And she is in one of the highest US federal offices. It scares me to even think what rank-and-file progressives must believe. The mass shootings of late are indeed tragic. But they only account for about 20 injuries and fatalities per year, out of about 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US. Gun deaths amount to only about 1% of all deaths in America, and many of these 30,000 deaths are criminals killed by armed defenders. All gun control would do is deny guns to defenders, making them subject to more gun crime because criminals would know they are defenseless. And criminals won't obey gun laws, so they'll stay armed anyway by a black market that will explode in size if the white market contracts significantly. Think about illegal drugs. How are all those penalties working out? The US is the largest importer in the world of illegal hard narcotics despite high penalties for possession. It's just like the old days of alcohol prohibition. Restrictions just put cash into the hands of illegal sellers, and people buy the product anyway from the criminals. Except under gun control, the buyers will mostly BE criminals, now ramping up their "occupational activities" to rob, rape, and kill innocent people who are legally barred from being able to defend themselves.

It is the height of gall for Obama and his merry band of federal socialists to be telling US what WE need to do to be safe, when his OWN Administration, most likely with his own personal involvement, caused 200-300 innocent Mexicans, two US border agents, a US rancher in Texas, and an innocent US jet-ski user having a day of fun on the Rio Grande to be MURDERED by Gunwalker Operation downstream buyers (Mexican drug gangs). The Mexicans have CLEARLY stated they were NOT coordinating with the US on this "operation." That means Mexican agents were NOT tracking the guns, and US agents had no authority to enter Mexico and track the guns. My admittedly non-progressive conclusion - NOBODY WAS TRACKING THE GUNS. Operation Gunwalker was never intended to track down and arrest drug traffickers. Its ONLY purpose was to scare the Senate into approving the UN Arms Treaty by trying to whip up public support for gun control after hearing about all the people killed by guns from the US THAT OUR OWN ATF ORDERED GUN DEALERS TO SELL TO STRAW BUYERS FOR DELIVERY TO NARCO-TERRORISTS. Well, the UN Arms Treaty failed to be ratified in the Senate, which is good because it would disarm innocent defenders. So all Oblabber has to crow about now is about 300 dead innocents. Great job Mr. President.

Before Obama and his minions tell the rest of us how to be safe, let's see them make Washington, DC safe first (you know, they place they control). DC has one the of the strictest sets of gun laws in the nation, and the city is a literal shooting gallery. This proves you can't eliminate gun violence with gun control, because criminals won't obey the law (after all, that's the definition of a criminal, for those of you on the left who never picked up a dictionary). The ONLY solution to gun violence is armed defenders. My own home state of Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation. In fact, it imposes no restrictions of any kind other than those mandated by current federal law. Anyone who is not a felon, domestic violence offender, or deemed by a court to be severely mentally ill can obtain any firearm, ammunition, and related equipment the fed's don't prohibit. Vermont doesn't even issue gun licenses, and open/concealed carry is legal without any permit. Sounds scary, huh? Hardly any "controls?" Well here's some news for you gun-grabbers and other proggy flotsam out there - VT HAS THE LOWEST GUN DEATH RATE IN THE NATION, STANDING AT 1/10th THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. You "forward thinking" libbies in DC and Chicago, with your draconian gun laws to keep you "safe" - do you feel safe? Well, do you? Be honest now; telling one truth, just one time, won't kill you (I checked at WebMD).


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Misfit Chick 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

I just added a poll on my gun control hub - please vote in it? Thanks in advance if you do! :)

http://misfitchick.hubpages.com/hub/lifesurvivalfo...


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Misfit Chick - I see you're fairly new so let me tell you a rule. Don't self-promote your Hubs on another Hub without permission. I'll let it pass this time. I try to stay reasonable.

The Frog


Stu 3 years ago

Mike102771 - “For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” You hit the nail right on the head. Logical people use REAL data and CORRECT logic to come to conclusions. Fools start with the conclusion, invent "facts" (lies), and then use ad hominem attacks to "prove" their bias. In math, you're supposed to fit equations to data. Libbies fit (invent) made-up equations to comport with lies ("data" they invent out of thins air). They always do everything backwards. As an example, our Constitution calls for "ordered liberty," which means high economic freedom, but adequate State constraints to prevent devolution into social chaos. Progressives have turned the Constitution on its head, supporting central economic planning (unconstitutional incursions into private property rights), and a total absence of social constraints that prevent our nation from devolving into anarchy. Your short post was great - minimal talk, but alot of really valuable speech. People who "say" alot without "talking" incessantly are almost always correct. I salute you. Stu


Ghost32 3 years ago

LOL!

...uh...sorry, Jim; I'm still cracking up over the "esteemed" Congress-Critter's assumptions regarding magazines that disappear once fired. Are they something like edible panties, or what? I didn't think there was a person around who could confuse ME when it came to firearms and ammunition, but she did it in a single breath!

Speed loading...maybe I should drop her a line, explaining speed loaders for REVOLVERS. Might be enough to make her head explode.

Great Hub, not that we'd expect anything else from the Frog Prince.


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Misfit Chick 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

Sorry Frog Prince... Since I had already commented in here earlier and it sort of applied, I thought it would be Okay. I understand that rules are rules, and heaven forbid something is allowed to get across to people in a semi-easy way. ;)


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Misfit Chick - It's geared more toward a professional courtesy to another writer if you think about it. With me just ask and I'll usually be more than happy to give you a thumbs up.

The Frog


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American View 3 years ago from Plano, Texas

TFP,

No matter how many times people like us toss out truth and facts, the left bobs and weaves around them. Then they go out and spool the yarn of fog and deceit. Obama had a hissy fit because he sees his power slipping away. Many small issues and a couple of Supreme Court overturns have gone against him. Now he pulled out all the plugs including the emotion card the way he used those families from Sandy hook, and he lost. His approval rating is down 8% since the election. It has been slow, but people are opening their eyes. Up and Awesome


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

AV - Obama has no problem standing on the graves of the dead to use as his soap box. I find it rather disgusting myself. As far as continuing to write the truth and use facts lets keep on keeping on. It's like people saying they don't write their elected officials because it does no good. It definitely does no good if you don't let them have it.

The Frog


Stu 3 years ago

Frog - You are totally right about letting Congress know how you feel about specific issues. You won't change any minds, but if enough people do it the whores will know how to prostitute themselves in floor votes to stay in office. A sad commentary on a sick society, but what I'm saying is really true.

Stu

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