When is War Justified?

It makes me sick that 4,266 Americans (as of April 2009 so even more now), 31,102 wounded American (as of April 2009) and a countless number of Iraqi and Afghanistan Citizens have died because we believed the Vichy Government and Vichy Media that the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction or WMD's and Afghanistan somehow supported the terrorists. And now we are on the verge of getting entangled in Iraq again, when will it end?

None of these countries declared war on the United States or attacked us. In fact, if you believe the the governments explanation for 9/11 (which I don't, for the record) all of the attackers were from Saudi Arabia, a country considered an ally. A country that we have never sanctioned, nor attacked for their supposed attack against us. We've been there for 10 long years now, when will it end?

Now, we have the same Vichy Government and the same Vichy Media hyping up the supposed nuclear weapons capability of Iran and now we are in Libya. Are you going to fall for the same lies that the same liars fed us only a few years ago? Has Libya attacked us, has Libya declared war on us? NO.

It used to be that the Congress had to give permission for any war that was started, now it seems that they can go to war for any reason at all. All they have to do is spread out some BS message that the other side is just thinking of attacking us or that we are helping in some supposed humanitarian relief.

I believe that there are reasons to go to war. If a country threatens us, attacks us or attacks one of our allies then war may be justified. But, if a war is declared I think the acid test is whether that conflict warrants your son or your daughter's life. It's always easy to send someone else' son or daughter to a foreign land to be killed, when it is your own flesh and blood it is a whole other story! In addition, any congressman or congresswoman who votes for war, their children should be put on the front lines. I'm tired of seeing innocent men and women killed based on lies. I'm tired of seeing the poor who have fewer options than the rich paying the price of our apathy and ignorance. Oh, I am sure some of you will argue that we have a voluntary draft so no one is being forced to sign up for the military but when we have a high unemployment rate and even higher unemployment rate for minorities, little or no money for advanced education and few other options then the military starts looking pretty good.

In the end, we have to ask ourselves; is it the moral thing, is it the right thing to participate either through sending our sons and daughters to die overseas for lies, or by supporting the war machine, is that what God would have us do? Whatever happened to THOU SHALT NOT MURDER? For some strange reason a lot of people think that war is exempt. That to support an illegal, immoral war is OK with God...NO, it's still MURDER when it is not in self defense. I know of so many Christians who support these wars without much thought to what it is they are supporting, they are willfully ignorant. Will God just look the other way? Are you exempt from his laws?

If we lived in Nazi Germany would it be honorable to sign up to serve the Nazi regime? How about the Roman Empire? If not, why not? Even if your children are not fighting in these wars, your money is supporting them. How long will we be used by the military industrial complex for their own agenda?

It's time that we as Christians stop allowing the powers that be to manipulate us into supporting every conflict they present to us. It's time that we stop sending our sons and daughters into these unethical, immoral wars. It's time to say enough is enough.

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Vladimir Uhri 6 years ago from HubPages, FB

I agree with you Brie that our soldiers should come home now.

In the contrary I do know Saddam had mass destruction weapons. There was general Georgsada here in US who is now Christians who testified there were there. They hid them under the river Euphrates tunnels later moved to Syria. I lived in the dictators, many of them and you do not have an idea what meant to us when we were freed by US soldiers.

I will be greatful forever.

In Iraq there are growing churches especially in Curds like 1000 new churches. People need to have chance to hear gospel.

Now soldiers may go home. But I am aware it is simple to talk, than done.

Thank you for Hub.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I defer to you Vladimir...however, even if they did we still had no reason to invade. They didn't threaten us, nor did they attack us.


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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

terrific hub


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Thank you, it's always nice to get compliments rather than criticism.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

The problem is, we ARE kept in the dark about the MOTIVES behind the MADNESS. I can know this for sure; it all comes down to the control of money and the populace. So many scapegoats, but God is paying attention. That's why the blood of the martyrs remains on the hands of those who are responsible for causing their deaths.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Well said.


foreignpress 6 years ago from Denver

Ah, but for the good old days centuries ago when kings actually led the charge into battle. But you misunderstand the concept of modern warfare, Brie. Today, we wage war not to defeat an enemy but to make money. War stimulates the economy and creates jobs. During WWII -- the last legitimate war -- the unemployment rate in the U.S. was 1.5 percent. In fact, the last time Congress formally declared war was in 1941. All these other skirmishes (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I & II, Afghanistan) have been for economic gain. We were and are nothing more than highly paid mercenaries fighting under the guise of "freedom." Now is this moral, you ask. Of course not. But that's why Christ is planning His return. There is the quandary Vladimir presents of freeing a people subjected to tyranny. Does this justify being the world's policeman? I think not.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

I agree foreignpress, I don't think we should go to war unless we are attacked.


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someonewhoknows 6 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

There are plenty of incidents where we were attacked .We knew we would be and we knew when an where,because we had an incredable intelligence network,that seemingly failed.Take World war two.We knew the japanese were going to bomb pearl Harbor in Hawaii.We let it happen as a way to get America into the war.That is only one example.


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someonewhoknows 6 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

There is a pattern of this happening throughout our wars with other countries.


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Yes, I am aware of the Pearl Harbor incident, however, at least in that war ...war was declared. Thanks for commenting someonewhoknows


"Quill" 6 years ago

War is terrible in any case but yet another consideration it is machine that makes vast amounts of money for manufacturing of arms and equipment. Little attention seems to fall back on those sitting in fancy offices and departments who are the real decision makers.

Blessings


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

That is why we go to war, to enrich these guys and thin out the population.


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Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

Brie, I also read a lengthy report of the WMD's that were found in a tunnel under the Euphrates River, a carved-out warehouse full of WMD's. A USAF special task force found them during our initial invasion. However, before we could get enough men to secure the site they were carried off to Syria.

More terrifying, were records that Saddam had 20 suitcase nukes that also disappeared. Note how not one peep of these things were mentioned in the media.

Could a terrorist cross the border from Mexico into the US with a suitcase nuke?

I agree with your hub and likewise suspect that 911 was orchestrated to justify invading Iraq and these other countries. But why? I offer the following considerations:

1. We no longer have constitutional representation. Rather we have a congress, a lawless and rogue self-serving gang of reprobate suits clothed in the color of law, whoring not only the blood of their ancestors and countrymen, but also to the highest bidder the fleecing of the greatest nation in world history; our future also.

2. Are not our (America’s War on Terror) actions more about forcing unwilling government’s to obey and participate in the United Nations so that the worshippers of power and money can usher in their New World Order?

3. America, founded by Christians who gave us a government suitable ONLY for a righteous and moral people, has turned away from God to worship money, power, perverted sex, drugs, and other disobedience. Now God is turning his back on America giving us corrupt leaders and national/international problems without resolution.

Satan tempted Jesus offering to give him all the kingdoms of the world in exchange that Jesus worship him. Satan said, “All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.” (Lk 4:5,6)

Satan has been roaming the earth as a lion devouring the “god wannabes,” those willing to trade their soul to live sumptuously, comforted by the wealth and power of his false charity; people high in government, business and media..."whomsoever I will, I give it."

It is prophesy that the nations of the world shall come together as one and worship the beast. There shall be wars and rumors of wars. Take heart for we are merely in this world that one may sew and another reap; the harvest of the world to come.

-Harlan


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Brie Hoffman 6 years ago from Manhattan Author

Harlan, I'm with you on every single point!


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aliciajadebrowne 6 years ago from I am where I am, and that's all you need to know.

Eh, I can't keep up with economy and political things, so I have a hard time understanding this. Either way, I do not believe in war at ALL. I mean, if someone attacked us, then we'd need to defend ourselves, but like you said, WERE we attacked? WAS war declared on us?


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sir slave 5 years ago from Trinity county CA.

Great post Brie,

I just finished a tirade of a hub last night called

"the energy cartels lust for oil and conquest"

I firmily believe we are fighting in afghanistan to secure a corridor for the energy cartels to ship central asian oil and gas to the exploding indian market.

why else would the military be banging their heads against a wall like that, year after bloddy year.

I feel like the military is a special business envoy of the energy cartels. all these issues like alternative energy are connected to life and death for actual people.

YOUR poll (75% against)refects other numbers Ive heard about the wars in terms of public opinion.

NOW is the heat of the moment for opposition, or rather we should me make it that way! we have the public on our side, the side of sanity!!


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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

The military is nothing but the might of the Illuminati. And to fight with them is to fight on the side of evil.

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