What Did He Really Say?

And Why Not?

It Seems Logical To Me...

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a big Mitt Romney fan mainly because he isn't conservative enough for my liking. Then let me add that I also think he is qualified to be the President of this country by leaps and bounds compared to Obama. The fact that Romney is a "big government" Republican, as is Rick Santorum, while I am a "limited government" Constitutional type puts us at odds. However, the recent attack by both Republican candidates and the Democratic Party apparatus wasn't called for in light of what he really said and what they thought he said. It was really all in the delivery, not the message.

I am a consumer and so are you. That was what he was really talking about when he referred to the fact that he liked to fire people. No one takes joy in doing that. I own a business and when I have had to fire, or lay-off, members of the crew it isn't an easy, pleasurable task. But that isn't what Romney was talking about and any person with a bit of common sense knows that. As a consumer, I like the fact that I have the ability to fire any person, company or corporation that isn't providing the type of service I expect to be provided for the amount of money I am paying to provide such service. I do have that right in this country to do just that,

What I don't expect to see happen is for the federal government to interfere with my ability to make that choice myself and have them make it for me. Put in proper context, which it wasn't, Romney was referring to the health care law that the majority of the public didn't want, never wanted and will never want to be foisted upon us where we are mandated to buy something that is a matter of personal choice. You can very easily get stuck with a provider you don't want and then can't get rid of. So then they wanted to extend this into his past with his past relationship with Bain. That isn't what he was referring to and they knew it. What it did do was give them an opportunity to try to connect dots where the connection isn't there.

As with running any business, especially the business that Bain was in, there are successes and failures. That is what the company did for a living. They were in the business of having to step in and take the reins of companies who were in the free fall mode. The auto industry comes to mind in recent history. There are choices that have to be made when you take the risk of doing the "stepping in." This is part of capitalism and the way free markets operate. You either succeed or fail and the notion that everyone should be a winner isn't reality. It would be nice if that were so but life isn't like that. My company's success, or failure, is dependent on the business decisions that I make, not what any government makes for me.

We've seen TARP and we've seen the propping up of the failing auto industry by the government because those cats up there believe that some businesses are "too big to fail." That's a bunch of malarkey. Their failure was based upon their decisions, and in most cases their taking excessive risks and serious flaws in their business plans. In the case of the auto industry the long term effects of excessive union demands contributed to the cause. The fact is that the debate will continue in this country about what to do about failing businesses. So lets look at the choices and particularly what shouldn't be a choice.

Denial that they are failing really isn't an option. They are failing so then the decision has to be made what to do about it. That was the business that Bain undertook. Sometimes a hopeless case is indeed hopeless. But to say just isn't so doesn't make it so. The choices are to 1) break out the shutters or 2) restructure the organization or lastly 3) prop them up. If there is a chance that things can be salvaged then I am a supporter of option 2. But then I'm a capitalist and understand that not everyone who opens and runs a business is going to succeed. This whole idea that it isn't okay to fail escapes me. There will be successes in life and there will be failures. What you learn, or we learn collectively, about the causes of failure should be worth examining. That's how people learn many times - by failing.

An examination of anyone's record during the run for the Presidency should be expected. I can only now appreciate how much Obama's record, or really total lack of one, should have garnered the intense scrutiny of what I see going on right now. Rather than "anoint" a candidate as our left-wing media did, which compromised the media in my mind, he should have been taken to task for being the unqualified, inexperienced candidate he was and we are paying the price for that now. I said examination and not the mud slinging I am seeing of late.

To take what anyone says out of context and spin it in another direction is inexcusable to me. Be you a Republican, a Democrat or like me, an Independent, you should have better sense than to get caught up in what is obviously so apparent. Spin is spin. The truth is also the truth if you bother to step back and look at the real picture. What we need in this nation is an "informed voter," not a pack of jackasses going to the polls based upon any political party spinning them into oblivion. To take something a candidate says totally out of context in an attempt to smear that individual is unacceptable. Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich joined the likes of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, who I find to be a complete idiot, in spinning something that was legitimate into something it wasn't.

In summary, as a consumer do you like the fact that you have the ability to fire someone who isn't meeting your expectations? It is your money that you are paying them to meet your expectations. Or would you rather have the federal government make that decision for you? Presently, and recent history proves this to be so, the federal government wants to make those decisions for you. Obama wants to be able to dictate who the winners and losers are in the marketplace. Solyndra is a shining example of his thinking. That cost the tax payers to lose a large chunk of change. The free market place should be the honest arbiter of who succeeds and who fails. If I want to fire a business who I find unacceptable I want to retain the right to do so. I "like" having that right to fire them. Most American consumers would agree with that statement minus the spin we have been seeing.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

Taking Romney's statement of liking to fire anyone that doesn't do their job, then let him start with talking about firing members of Congress and the huge over inflated government workforce.

The Congress and the government workforce are too large because they have increased their scope beyond the need of the public.

my opinion....

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

ib - I happen to agree with that statement but it isn't up to any President to fire Congress. That's our job. Again a matter of context.

The Frog

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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

FP - Another outstanding contribution by one of my favorite writers. The labels we are forced to assume when registering to vote is a large part of the problem. If every voter was forced to register as an "Independent," that would completely change the picture at the polls. No more just pulling the "D" or "R" lever when we got into the voting booth. We would actually need to educate ourselves on the merits of each and every candidate, and that would take time and effort on our part.

The picture presented today is the "D" party is there for the poor or less fortunate, and the "R" party is there for the rich. Then each voter must only decide which of these two categories they fall in and pull the appropriate lever. Each and every administration has put more effort into promoting this class divide among the citizens, and they have been successful.

My guess is that if the labels were gone, and every voter had to do some research before heading to the polls, the numbers of citizens actually voting would go way down. It is so much easier to vote by our own interpretation of where we fall on the "class" ladder.

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breakfastpop 4 years ago

This entire big deal about Romney's statement just enforces the fact that as a nation we are dumbed down to the lowest possible level. I am astounded that so much fuss has been made. I heard his remark and I agreed. I want the freedom to fire my insurance company if they fail to meet my needs. That's the free market. We also fire our representatives every time they come up for election. That's democracy. Enough is enough. We do not have time for this baloney! Up, useful and awesome.

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

BPOP - The problem is that there are people among us who lack the ability to think critically. They just slurp up the Lame Stream Media koolaid and think everything is gospel. When, in fact, the days of our press being the honest brokers of the truth are long gone.

As OP said, if we just were required to register to vote without having any party designation, which is the case in some states we would end up with either chaos or informed voters. It would totally confuse some people when they stepped into that booth and send them into a tailspin. I find that pathetic myself because we see the result of putting a letter by anyone's name. Some of those folks up there wouldn't make a good dogcatcher much less a Congressional representative. But then again maybe they need the same qualifications.

I wouldn't want people like Pelosi or Wasserman-Schultz to ever represent me. I don't care for political hacks in the least.

The Frog

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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

As a public, we should be concerned if not outraged that Obama has grown the size of the federal government by a factor os 17% in less than four years. People ignore that and the press ignores it but let one of the candidates on the right allude to the fact that he might shrink government in physical size and enjoy making the effort and everyone wants to label him some sort of nut. Such distrations take the focus off the real issues at hand...Obama's inepititude and track record. If the conservative side of the aisle is to win the White House in 2012, the focus must be put there and kept there...it's the lousy record of this administration, stupid! The longer this goes on as a sideline, the less time there will be before the election to establish just that message and gain the public's focus. Obama understands that as does the media who aids him at every turn. WB

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wayne - What I find quite ironic is that during a debate Obama said he was going to scrub the federal bureaucracy from top to bottom and eliminate waste and duplication. Now we see what we see. Give me a month and I'll cut the size of that monster by 50% without blinking an eye.

I won't use his "scrub brush" to do it either.

The Frog

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Hmrjmr1 4 years ago from Georgia, USA

Yep Frog the other GOP guys are getting pretty stupid, but on the other hand looking ahead, If it doesn't kill him it will make him stronger, so might be a benefit. The guys it really hurts are the ones slinging the S*!T, since you gotta pick it up to throw it kinda leaves a residual smell. Good Hub hope all is well for ya.

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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana


YOU said it all!

This is the fight of the century....IF, Romney is our guy (by default) then by all means, I am ready to support him...and he IS RIGHT, we must always have the ability to fire WHO we want, including our POTUS.

Up and across the board!


geordmc 4 years ago from Beliot, Wisconsin

Once again, Frog, a stellar hub written.

Like you I consider myself an Independant, I don't mind learning about the candidates and their views in order to make my choice. With the govt. expanding into all areas they should not be in, they are destroying our way of life. I DON'T like beind DICTATED to by anyone, especially some bureaucratic govt jacka$$. I don't care if he is the president. I CONTROL MY LIFE, not the govt.

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

John - Good to see you fellow warrior. I've lost respect for the whole bunch of them on both sides of what they call "the aisle." We need to do what is best for this nation and not what is best to get them elected of reelected. Time for the rubber to meet the road.

CMeritt - What Obama doesn't understand is that we hire and fire, not the other way around.

geordmc - It seems some folks want to have the government tell em what to do, when to it it and how to do it. Then if they can't measure up, they want the government to do it for them. Little by little each little right the citizens of this country have are being whittled away. It's all about control and I for one won't be controlled by a pack of jackasses. That may be okay to some but not to me. I know what the preamble to the US Constitution says and I suggest mire than a few need to pick it up and read it.

The Frog

Stu 4 years ago

Great post Frog. The mud slinging that is starting now can be expected. GOP primaries will be held in the first quarter this year, and as things get closer to the wire, naturally the gloves are going to come off. It's not very seemly, but the truth is that the public is influenced by these sound bites. They may not be civil, and in some cases not even truthful, but the reality is that a well worded insult sometimes has more impact than intelligent debate points. It's less a fault of the candidates than it is the voters. As usual, the voters are focused on image, not substance. You would think we learned our lesson after electing Obama, but we haven't. Leadership in the GOP polls has mainly shifted between Romney, Gingrich, and Perry, three men who have "presidential deportment" but no consistency in platform. GOP's who flip-flop for votes will not have the backbone to reverse the progressive agenda, but merely slow its advance. Our best chance for reversal is now Paul, since Bachmann and Cain are no longer in the running. Paul's problem is that he will have alot of trouble attacting swing voters, because people either "love or hate" him. In the end, a flip-flopping RINO probably will win the GOP nomination, and any gains in Congress by the GOP will probably be the result of centrist wins. The real issue is that the people themselves don't see the urgency of our fiscal, economic, social, and geopolitical crises. So when they vote, they just look at the wrapping paper, and not the gift inside.

geordmc 4 years ago from Beliot, Wisconsin


That's because the people are trying to keep their own lives on track. They don't realize that if they don't pay attention they WILL lose what they already have. As long as govt. has the last say in how things are done, we are all screwed.

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politicalzealot 4 years ago from Atlanta, GA

I am just amazed that the Republicans running are now actively attacking capitalism. Gingrich questioning how much money is too much for an investment firm to make? Perry calling what Romney did at Bain 'vulture capitalism'? Santorum saying Romney's experience as CEO isn't what we need and he was just a 'manager'?

Absolutely stunning!

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

geordmc - I think you just hit a BINGO. When they are the dog that the tail is wagging it will be too late to pay attention.

pz - Bain does what Bain does and many before them have done. They try to salvage failing companies. Sometimes they can and sometimes they can't. But it is definitely not the federal governments job to step in and do a damned thing to keep them afloat, nor determine the winners and losers in the market place. The market place is perfectly capable of determining that.

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politicalzealot 4 years ago from Atlanta, GA

I def agree Frog. Yes what Bain does and what the government did with GM is similar, but it shouldn't even be permissible for the government to get involved like that in my opinion. That's the difference.

I'm just shocked that Gingrich, Perry, and Santorum are coming out and basically giving the Democrats campaign commercials should Romney become the nom. Take what they are saying and then add "This is Barack Obama and I approve this message." (yes I stole that line from Rush)

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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Romney remarked recently that he has grown far more conservative over the years, and I think he can defeat Obama, maybe in a landslide. None of the others look that promising, so I am now a Romney supporter.

The other candidates sound more like liberals than Obama by attacking Bain!

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poetvix 4 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

When everyone is a winner, the word no longer has any meaning. Further, if we look at what happened at most companies that were "propped up" we see things got worse and now some are begging for more. It's the very definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. I'm not a Mitt fan, but I will be voting for whatever Republican candidate gets the nomination. I knew this election would get ugly but it's really sad that the ugliness is being inflicted from within the party too.

Thanks for another tell it as it is hub!

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b. Malin 4 years ago

I'm going out on a Limb and say, I think Romney will be our next President...I certainly intend to Vote for him and have Confidence that he will get the job done for this Country. Good timely Hub, Froggy, gets us all to think and Comment.

Ghost32 4 years ago

Beautifully done, and right in line with my own thinking as usual.

One thought re Old Poolman's post: Mike, having us all listed as Independents would indeed do what you say...except for one thing. The trouble is, having to think and research for themselves is way over their pay grade for a lot of folks...and way outside their comfort zones. If we DID have such an "all Independent" system, it would only last for minutes at best.

Somebody would come up with new labels, the sheeple would start flocking left and right, and....

Just saying.

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politicalzealot 4 years ago from Atlanta, GA

I like the idea of an all independent system, though I would prefer to have a strong 3rd party that could break the two party strangle-hold.

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tom hellert 4 years ago from home


Term Limits????

will solve alot of it....


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Angela Blair 4 years ago from Central Texas

Hey Froggy -- glad you clarified this point-by-point. Some of us had figured it out but there's a multitude out there that still believe any twist the press chooses to put on something (just read Yahoo comments). Looks like Romney will be the candidate and if that's the case I'll vote for him. Voted UP -- Best, Sis

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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Oh gosh, I'm no Obama fan, but even I think I might prefer Obama to this guy.

Not to be annoying or anything, but I've already decided that I'm voting for Ron Paul, even if I have to write it on the ballot myself.

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wesman - I'd vote for Bozo The Clown before I'd vote for Obama. I don't begrudge anyone anything that they worked for successfully. The class warfare routine isn't what this nation needs now or ever.

The Frog

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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Not to be annoying or anything, but I've already decided that I'm voting for Ron Paul, even if I have to write it on the ballot myself."

If Ron Paul is anywhere on the ballot, Obama wins. A third party candidate like Ron Paul will assure an Obama reelection.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Will Starr - all the more reason for the GOP to put the best candidate on the ballot.

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wesman - Here's something to think about and I'm not saying it makes it right but it is a valid question. For how many decades now have we been forced to choose between the lesser of two evils? This last time around the most evil was chosen because of empty slogans and words attached to an empty suit.

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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Will Starr - all the more reason for the GOP to put the best candidate on the ballot."

Which is definitely not Ron Paul. I like his domestic views, but his views on foreign policy, radical Islam, and the war on terror are bizarre, to say the least.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Ah, got it. You prefer America to be broke for non justifiable crusades allowing for multi national corporations to become more wealthy while the common man foots the bill.

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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wesman - Have you ever read the US Constituion? That is question #1. Question #2 is this, "In that document what does it specify the primary role is of the limited federal government outlined therein is?"

The Frog

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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"Ah, got it. You prefer America to be broke for non justifiable crusades allowing for multi national corporations to become more wealthy while the common man foots the bill."

Putting words in my mouth is a logical fallacy. Surely you can do better than that.

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