"What Difference Does The Truth Make?"

Depends On Who Needs To Know?

Billary Clinton finally got to sit in the Benghazi hot seat yesterday and it wasn't generally a moving performance. Though her crassness and a bit of self-rightrous indignation did surface at one point when being questioned by Senator Ron Johnson. She puffed up like a porcupine and wanted to know :what difference does it make" at this point to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I actually expect such a question from anyone with the last name of "Clinton." Afterall she remains married to Billy Bob Joe Ray himself.

It has been over four and a half months since Benghazi went down and we, the American people, still don't know the truth. The whole attitude in Washington DC seems to center around attitudes like Billary's. It doesn't matter that the American people were misled from the get-go by the entire Obama circle concerning this matter. We don't deserve the truth? Is that what you are saying Billary?

What difference does it make huh? It may make a big difference to the families and friends of the 4 Americans who sacrificed their lives that fateful night. They don't deserve the truth? Why was the gross negligence that is written all over this fiasco not important and we still don't know who actually didn't do their jobs during the hours in question?

There is still the shuffle about the "video" and that whole smoke and mirrors routine exercised by Obama and Susan Rice for weeks on end. I'm sure no one believes that anymore except the actors involved in the play. The deception and truth dodging continues coming out of the White House. Hillary cut her DC eye teeth during the Watergate affair so she knows a coverup when she sees it and knows perfectly well how to perpetrate one. You kids not old enough to know this sort of thing need to pay attention. She was a staffer on the Watergate impeachment inquiry board back when. Why heavens to Betsy with thousands of our service members dying in Nam why would anyone want to concern herself with a second rate bungled burglary attempt?

What difference did it make?

Typical Pompous Clinton Attitude

The fact is that there are 4 dead Americans who were murdered and the stonewalling by this administration has lasted for 4 and a half months. The lying and coverup strategy has run its course and it is well past time that We, the American people know the truth. The only person in jail is the film maker who had nothing to do with the murders even though they wanted us to believe otherwise.

So yes there is a difference. There is a huge difference.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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Barefootfae 3 years ago from Skye

You see...you and I and those who believe as we do are not supposed to question anything.......anything.....that is done or that we are told by these people. You will notice the ones she blew up on were the ones questioning and not the ones telling her how wonderful and wise she was.

Tyranny.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Well guess what, we will never know the truth. They hide the truth like those guys who shuffle the shells and have you try to follow which one the pea is under.

Move it fast enough, shuffle it long enough, and the truth is hidden for good.

You notice that we hardly ever hear anything more about "Fast and Furious" anymore? I guess this truth is now hidden so well it is not worth seeking anymore?


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Gawth 3 years ago from Millboro, Virginia

It was a beautiful audition. She utilized all her skills as she danced across the keyboard. Her contrived outrage, teary eyes, many, many happy smiles all delivered to perfection. Were we all supposed to forget this was just an audition for her forthcoming role as maestro?


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Now I understand why Obama and the left is all about gun control. They are afraid someone will use one on her because it appears to be the only way to shut her up. Blah, blah, blah...blah, blah blah blah.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

I could not believe the number of people who were literally kissing her butt, and praising her for outstanding performance? Say what? Four people are dead because someone didn't do their job?

Just another circus act with many more to follow.


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breakfastpop 3 years ago

I watched a good deal of the "show" and I found her "performance" appalling. How dare she raise her voice and say that what happened didn't make a difference. I think she ought to be sent packing. She failed and people died. I also was sickened listening to her Dem friends applaud her role as Sec. of State, so much so that I had to take a shower. Up, interesting, useful and awesome.


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dahoglund 3 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

It seems to me that the ACLU should be out there to defend the rights of the filmmaker who was framed for all this.


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Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

The filmmaker should be freed and they should be in jail; not living the good life on our dollars. There is a big difference, they work for us and we want someone to pay if they screwed up.


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Gawth 3 years ago from Millboro, Virginia

Dahoglund makes a great point. The filmmaker is rotting away in some jail and nobody seems to care that he was framed. It will be interesting to see how he exits...I'll bet it's not stage left or right. He'll probably fall through a trap door. Maybe he already has.


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Pamela99 3 years ago from United States

What really ticked me off was the lack of pertinent questions. She wasn't asked if she knew they office had been attacked a month before the deaths. And if she didn't know, why not? She didn't know about the memos--,,Huh?? Whoever received the memos requested support would surely have told her even if she did not personally read them. The whole thing is a sham and nothing will ever be done. She will run for president however!!!!!!!!!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Only a few of them, John McCain for one took the gloves off and asked some serious questions. She acted like he was way out of line for doing so. It was a circus show except a few in the crowd didn't get a script or go to the rehearsal.


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FitnezzJim 3 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

Well stated Frog. I'm appalled that anyone would so blatantly devalue truth.

I like the question and answer that is at at the end of your article in the picture. I would add that there is a second much more literal difference too, 40 years. There's a really old lesson regarding power and those who rightfully seek to change power by acquiring it: 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Future historians may point to the changes in the Clinton perspective as an example of this maxim, to answer the question 'how long does it take to make that change?'


Pat Potts 3 years ago

The truth will never be known. Hillary has lied, and she will continue to cover her butt and Obama's butt. The Republican's good ole boy routine not getting to the bottom of this. They are cowards too and all for show up there. I have had it with the Republican party.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Pat Potts - Unlike you, I dislike all of them equally. Why limit our disgust with their performance to just one party?


pat potts 3 years ago

I should have clarified that . I can't stand any of them. My comment of the republican is they have given up the fight and they always tuck tail and run. I am conservative and to me the republicans are not conservative.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

The republicans keep playing with an old outdated play book. We need some fresh blood in there that can make them see their plan didn't work the last 100 times they tried it, and it will not work this time. We have some really tired old dogs in office that refuse to learn new tricks.

When the voters wake up and move them into retirement things may change.


pat potts 3 years ago

I couldn't agree more Old Poolman


Ghost32 3 years ago

Don: ACLU not care. Filmmaker wrong color, wrong religion.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

I wondered to myself if here sickness and head injury were nothing more than time ploys to allow her to practice her acting before going before the committee..............amazing how decietful the left can be in politics........yet the conservatives always get the blame??? LOL


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas

No doubt Benghazi is a can of worms that the Obama Administration does not plan to see opened. That fact has been made quite clear to Billary as she agreed to take the bullet for the messiah. Obama is on the wrong side of the equation with weapons scattered about the Middle East...a fact which would create far more news than Iran-Contra if we had a news media willing to pursue that avenue with any effort. ~WB


Bob 3 years ago

Old Poolman,

My frustration with the Republican party has turned me into a Libertarian. Unfortunately I can't vote for them elections because their candidates stand no chance winning.


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savvydating 3 years ago

Her performance was just that. A performance with bad acting, but I have to give her credit for timing. "What difference does it make?" Really, Clinton?? Is that what you said to the faces of the families when they brought their loved ones home in caskets?

At least in Watergate, no one died.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

We need to remember her saying it didn't matter when she runs for President in the next election. But sadly few will remember. It will be the first woman President following the first half black President, that is all that will matter.


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Angela Blair 3 years ago from Central Texas

I didn't watch the show -- so thanks for giving me a recap -- it's what I expected of Hillary Clinton -- after all, she and Bill are the masters at "watch this hand" and it seems they haven't lost their touch. Best/Sis


Stu 3 years ago

Hi Frog,

This issue is alot simpler than most people think. Were Obama and his staff to admit the truth that the attack at Benghazi was a coordinated terrorist assault, which it was, it would be admitting failure in the Presidential support for the "Arab Springs" that were (hopefully) intended to create democracies, but intead replaced brutal dictators with even more brutal Shiite theocracies. The issue here isn't Rice or Clinton; the issue is Obama. This whole thing is damage control - throw Rice and Clinton under the bus to protect the "Annointed One." Rice and Clinton were obviously told what to say and what to do before and during the horrible Benghazi attack, by HRH Obama. Rice and Clinton aren't the issue here - Obama is. Until this subhuman piece of crap wakes up and realizes that all he's doing is creating allies for Iran, he's going to continue to make the world less safe not just for the US, but for all countries that value peace.

Stu


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

And it continues! The outrageous behavior, stupid questions and answers ad nauseum.

Many of us 'Old Poolman', 'Wayne Brown' just to mention a few, can see what is going on with this pack of genetically deprived politicians. They think that their arguments are convincing only because of the minority of sheep that praise them. The silence is deafening from the majority of our citizens about this kind of idiotic behavior.

Hate to say it but these are the seeds of anarchy.


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Steven Dison 3 years ago from O'Fallon, Illinois

Honestly, I think she answered the questions fairly well. She wasn't at fault because she didn't see the cables (they get around 1.4 million per year) that the republicans repeatedly referenced. So, the next logical step is to find out who didn't pass up the cables. They did that and suspended them. Then, they chide her out for not firing them. She explains that under current law, she can't fire them for what they didn't wrong. She proposed changing the law to correct that.

The reason why she said it didn't matter is because the republicans are focusing far too much on why we didn't know exactly when it happened whether it was a terrorist act or a spontaneous demonstration. What we should be focusing on, and what she went on to say right after making the "why does is matter?" comment, is how to avoid this from happening again and to hunt down those who perpetrated this attack. If you actually watched the whole testimony, you would see the steps they've taken and how committed she is to correcting it.

Most of the complaining is completely partisan.


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Greetings Steve Dison, Steve your still young yet so keep your ear to the ground so to speak.

Take a look around you at other conversations and take stock of what you hear. Study who you are defending.

The fact remains that Americans died that day for a lack of common sense actions. Then we are insulted with lame excuses given to protect the guilty.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

It is obvious that some people screwed up to the point that 4 great Americans lost their lives. This dog and pony show was all about covering butts. It really is as simple as that.

You do notice we still have few if any facts regarding "Fast and Furious?" This incident will soon get swept under the carpet just like that one.


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A Driveby Quipper 3 years ago

Give me a break. The whole situation is a SNAFU and your ridiculous insinuations are not conducive to a cohesive effort to improve. Any tail can wag the dog!


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Driveby - You don't believe that someone screwed up, 4 people were needlessly killed, and now there is an all out effort to cover their own butts? You are one of the very few who can't see through this charade.

They learned a great deal from the hearings on "Fast and Furious." Same deal, people screwed up and innocent people lost their lives. Nobody was ever held responsible for this insane program. Oh wait, I'll bet George Bush did it.


Sanxuary 3 years ago

Yeah, if this had been Bush we would have found a few patsy’s and blew up the embassy. The hearings would have been held that day, we would have torn the building down that day as well and no video's would exist. We would pass a bill to take your liberty away and called it a war on terror or something. We would claim the rebels in Mali have yellow cake uranium and invade Venezuela because that makes since in are war against Terrorism. We would then call all of this a conspiracy because its so remotely close to being one. Mrs Clinton she needed an excuse to get into Libya. The reason why was to give people like you an agenda and something to write about.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Or perhaps you to write about? This is a two way street.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - The forum still has its usual number of driver by idiots and people who have no idea what the hell they are talking about. Just a SNAFU huh? People die and it's just another of Obama's SNAFU's.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, I suspected someone in the hard core liberal forums forgot to lock the door and a few escaped.


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

I am fascinated by the discourse here.

It's people like most of the people commenting on this hub that don't get it.

Where was all this ire in the face of going to war on the so-called belief that Iraq had weapons of mass-destruction.

Weapons that did not EXIST.

The least you all could do is actually do your homework.

How many American lives were wasted to justify that lie?


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Arthur - The ire was there. We have been reading and hearing about the WMD debate for years. Some believe they were never there, others believe they were there but were hidden or moved to another country.

To my knowledge the truth on this issue has never been proven.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Arthur - The question is where were you when the rest of us were also asking questions back then? Don't make presumptions that have no basis. Yours have none.

The Frog


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

What I know is this.

There will never be another Watergate, because all news outlets liberal or conservative, are now bought and sold by corporations. Corporations that focus on the divisiveness of using Public Relation firms to help them sell the American People on whatever agenda they want the American People to believe and therefore support.

I personally believe that this was the method used to sell the American People to support the war with Iraq.

Not: this is what we are doing and why, but this is what we are doing... Get use to it. It's Richard Nixon and his attitude about the silent majority all over again.

I hear you talk like this business in Benghazi is some major mistake on the part of the Obama Administration. It's not it's war, and in war things happen. Period. Republicans wanted this to be an issue just to manipulate the election in their favor, and it did not work, because the issue was not credible.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

@Arthur Bundy- What I am looking for is accountability from those we hired to do these jobs. These cover-ups get old in a hurry. Have you heard of anyone getting fired over the failed "Fast & Furious?" This failure also cost lives that didn't need to be lost.

I think most Americans would just like to know the truth about who really screwed up, and what action will be taken against this person or persons. If it was honest mistakes, so be it. If it was dereliction of duty or politics at work, someone should pay.

In the private world, people get fired or demoted when they screw up badly. In government they point fingers and hide and rarely is anything done about their poor performance.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Arthur Bundy - As the author of this article this is what I know. You are off tpoic - way off topic. You want to discusee WMD, Iraq, Bush and whatever other personal axe you seem to want to grind.

We are dealing with current events here where government negligence has resulted in the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi. This is about a political hack named Hillary Clinton who avoided making any pertinent comments for about 4 and a half months after those people lost thier lives.

Now if you care to wrtie about your axe take it else where, put a headline on it and start typing.

The Frog Prince


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drbj 3 years ago from south Florida

The entire hearing as far as I am concerned, Jim, is a dog and pony show and voters should remember her unbelievable words - 'it doesn't really matter ...'


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

drbj - You are most likely talking about a presidential candidate for the next election. Not many paid any attention to all the lies our current President was caught telling. What makes anyone think that 4 years from now many voters will even remember this tragic incident? The truth will never be told so it will be just like it never happened.


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

I openly apologize for exercising my ax. I don't know what you had to say in days past.

Hillary Clinton will very likely be the next President of the United States and I will vote for her. She might just be the toughest President since FDR, and this country is sorely in need of a President that knows how to call a spade a spade.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Arthur - I suspect your are correct. She would have the full support of the Bill Clinton fan club behind her, and there are many of them. I really wish she would have been elected back in 2008. Things would be much different today.


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Bravo, Arthur Bundy for your apology. It is refreshing these days.

As for Hillary Clinton as President, the title of this forum "What difference does the truth make?" is just as outrageous as her husbands statement from years ago, "Character doesn't count" as it relates to the Presidency.

This kind of disrespect to our intelligence is disturbing at least. These insights to a persons demeanor are intellectual gems to be used at the polling place and not to be endorsed.

Therefore, I would never choose a character such as a Clinton to run this country.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Don - With the media and Bill's fan club behind her, she will be hard to beat if she runs. The first woman President following the first Black President. The opposition needs to get a really strong candidate ready to run against her, and that better be a female or a minority.


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Pollyannalana 3 years ago from US

Only one word comes to mind when I look at that woman and I won't use it here. I have been looking for the video everywhere where she is talking about it being about a video which she lied about here. You really should put it here if you find it and if you DO I will put it at Fb several times a day to let those who missed it know what a liar she is. Those men were murdered, it was allowed to happen and now no one does nothing about it? I just cannot believe it!


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Hi Old Poolman, sadly this country doesn't have any "strong" candidates lately.

Pollyannalana, I thought I would help you out to find that video about Hillary's lying. But my google results netted so many hits that I couldn't find the specific hit that you were looking for. So let us know what month and year you were looking into so I could narrow the search a bit.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Don, I am 99% certain that unless something drastic happens, she will be the liberals candidate for 2016. The GOP needs to start looking, choosing, and grooming someone to run against her or the next election is already decided.

Too bad superman doesn't want to get into politics.


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Hey OP, How about the Honorable Jan Brewer. I like her. Do you want to give her up for the sake of the country?


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Don, I would prefer that she stay here but for the good of the country I would let her go.


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Humm, we may be onto something here, but don't say anything yet otherwise she will be destroyed like they did with Palin.

BTW, we are way off topic here, apologies to The Frog Prince.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas

Sadly, the liberal media has created the image that is Hilary Clinton...the so-called most intelligent woman in the world. In truth she couldn't hold a light to Condi Rice on her best day. Her accomplishments as Secretary are measured in air miles logged and countries visited. It is all part of an big stage production to create another perceived leader who in actuality is about as competent as ol' Joe Wind Bag Biden. When was the last time Hilary chose our Constitution over handing our ass over to the UN? ~WB


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Jim, my apologies for drifting off topic. I try to watch that but got carried away thinking about Hillary for President. Sorry..........


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - The subject has to do with Hillary so you were close enough. All that other stuff that came out is known as diversion. Look over here and not over where the article's content says to look.

The Frog


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howtolearnmore 3 years ago from Tartu

I think that your government is doing everything they can to stop you from questioning stuff. Now that they see that it isn't entirely working, they freak out... but still, they are very close to create their ultimate goal - build a generation of mindless machines with human flesh :)


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

You are absolutely correct, very astute. Our government in recent years is now dominated by ego-centric, power hungry classless politicians. Unfortunately, most Americans have not realized this fact. Also many supposed American citizens are also greedy lazy, take what they can take people that give nothing in return. We have a real problem here, unfortunately it also affects the world economy as well.


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

Hillary Clinton got her first taste of Republican and corporate controlled government when she was tasked with trying to bring about healthcare reform during the 90's. Effectively got humiliated by her husband on the national stage. Say what you will about mindless machines, but this mindless machine does his homework. That baptism of fire will give her the means to be one of the most effective Presidents since FDR.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Arthur - I suggest then that since you "do your homework" then you start lookinjg into the mounds of dirt that surround the Clinton's. Start there and dig deep. It's all there.

The Frog


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Zubair Ahmed 3 years ago

What else can you expect? There is just too many cover-ups these days. I call them lies, this administration the one before and the one before that have had a good time at spinning cover-ups and getting away with it. The question is fr how long will the Americans allow that to happen?

Good hub thank you for sharing.


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

"Effectively got humiliated by her husband" Yeah in more ways than one, but that didn't stop her from delusionally blaming " the vast right wing conspiracy" for accusing her husband of philandery, till the truth was revealed - but Frog don't you dare question Arthur - he, admittedly, gets his information from an impeccable source like the Daily show and the fair and balanced (comedian) John Stewart. Case in point

Arthur Bundy 43 hours ago from Colorado Springs Level 2 Commenter

tsadjatko:

I would suggest you look at the Daily Show with Jon Stewart for 10/16/13. "There Goes the Boom."

That is where it started for me.

Then I looked up the rest for myself to see that it was not nonsense.

Stewart, as usual was dead on....

Dead on Frog! - where do you get your research? not from comedians I'm sure.


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The Frog Prince 3 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tsad - As you know I use impeccable sources and after doing the necessary research arrive at what is usually reasoned, logical, rational thinking. Interesting to note that Arthur has yet to refute the facts presented in this Hub.

He went off on a totally different, and I might add unrelated, rant about his problems with a previous administration rather than addressing the current one. Four, count em, Americans died because of dereliction of duty and neglience at the hightest levels of our government and Hillary wants to ask, "What difference does it make?" Lets ask the 4 dead gentlemen in question.

The Frog


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

He did the same thing on the other hub I quoted from when I asked sources for his accusations. He never cited them (except for a comedian) but insisted I should look it up for myself....like I can mind read specifically what he bases his thoughts on so I can show him where he might be wrong - which is exactly what he wants to avoid.

The next congressman to speak should have said to Hillary, if it makes no difference then why won't you tell us - That crap goes both ways but no one did. I'd have driven that home big time repeating it till she answered.


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

Jon Stewart is a comedian who does his homework. Even though he is focused on being funny, his facts proved to be correct. I don't take any other news channel seriously because they all cow tow to their corporate owners .

I go back to the days when Walter Cronkite was the guy, and even he had the guts to speak out against Vietnam when he saw the truth for himself. That hasn't been the case for a long time. There never will be another Watergate, because corporations now dictate government policy.

We are slowly but surely becoming a country of the corporation, by the corporation, and for the corporation.

It is this bickering between Americans who are more concerned about being right than they are that corporations use PR firms to manipulate public opinion in an effort to feed the void rather than focus on consensus.

I wish you well gentlemen, but don't expect me to waste my energy listening to people who have no concern for paying attention to the way they come across. When I was faced with being corrected I did indeed take it like an adult, but my opinion stands.

Hillary Clinton will make one great President, given the opportunity.


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Don Fairchild 3 years ago from Belgrade, ME

Regarding Arthur Bundy's interpretation;

"We are slowly but surely becoming a country of the corporation, by the corporation, and for the corporation."

I have to agree with his interpretation of corporate misbehavior as of late. It is like the average US citizen is in a four or five way battle for their rights and their money. Congress, the Health care industry, Insurance companies and Banks are all after our money one way or the other. Anarchists, anti religion groups, socialists, Congress and others are trying to dilute our rights and privileges.

All this for power, money and control over us. And here we sit arguing with each other, when in fact it is those bullies who are instigating our anger with each other.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Don is 100% correct with his last comment. To some degree, it is our friends in Congress whom profit personally from many agreements with the private corporations. They would do their jobs and watch out for the best interests of we lowly citizens, but to do so would cost them a high percentage of their annual income. So greed wins every time.

If we even had a clue as to how much "side money" is earned by politicians for voting the right way, we would be even more outraged than we are now.

Great comment Don.


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Gawth 3 years ago from Millboro, Virginia

I recommend you invest a little time and watch this special from Fox News. It really details how our politicians are selling us out. It's amazing how many officials we elected have gotten lobbying jobs for their family member. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/25/how-your...

This is Peter Schweitzer at his best.


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

The Daily show even describes itself as a fake news program, it draws its comedy and satire from recent news stories, political figures, media organizations, and aspects of the show itself. Their number one priority is to be funny, not accurate. They may try to be as accurate as they can but if they have to bend the truth to make a joke, they'll do it. So where is the buzzer that goes off to tell you when that is? No one with respect for the truth would seriously set the Daily Show above any other news channel nor view it for any reason other than entertainment. I can see not taking any of them seriously including the Daily Show but to disrespect honest investigative journalists at other networks, blogs or publications by comparing their work to the Daily Show (which is also owned by a corporation DUH) well that is just plain ignorance. And what a corporation that owns it, whose actions have been condemned by several newspaper columnists as tantamount to abetting terrorism, seriously criticized for bigotry and blasphemy, especially within the programs South Park, The Sarah Silverman Program, Halfway Home, and the annual "Roast" special.

Yeah it's obvious where you are coming from Arthur, dam those evil corporations, except this one. That's not funny.

And Gawth, the problem isn't with the corporations, it's with the politicians and the uninformed elecctorate that puts them in office...they're probably all the ones watching the Daily Show !


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas

@Arthur Bundy...Not a good comparison on Hilary. FDR was not an effective president...he failed at what he attempted for almost 12 straight years. World War II saved his ass and left him with a legacy that he surely has not earned. ~WB


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Gawth 3 years ago from Millboro, Virginia

@tsadjatko : The problem CERTAINLY IS with corporations because the corporations are buying the politicians. The problem IS with corporations and labor unions because oftheir limitless donations to politicians in office, not to mention the kickbacks and insider deals they pass out. Especially Defense Contractors. Everything Dwight Eisenhower hinted about the military-industrial coalition influence in his Farewell Address about has come true. Most of this made possible by a liberal Supreme Court and God only knows how liberal it will be before Obama goes out of office. (Somebody sure as hell greased John Robert's wheels.) If it costs $2-5 million just to get elected to Congress only corrupted politicians need apply.


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tsadjatko 3 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Gawth, what I mean is you can't change corporations behavior. You can change the elected representatives by electing ones with morals. If it couldn't happen Al Capone would have had no problems in Chicago - what we need is a generation of untouchables and that is possible - changing corporations' behavior is not really in our direct control the only way we can change it is by changing the politicians and putting in ones that can't be bought. That requires a change in the way our electorate thinks about morality and doing business as usual.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

tsadjatko - Excellent comment, but educating the voters seems nearly impossible at this time. Two weeks before the last election we had people who didn't know who was running for President, and could not name the Vice President.

And then they wonder how we got into this mess?


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

It was heavy duty government spending with heavy duty taxes during the Great Depression and WWII that saved this country. By 1980 the National Debt became manageable, again. Then Ronald Reagan and Two Bush Presidencies cut taxes to the extreme, but chose to spend like crazy. Sure, maybe it was that spending spree brought down the Soviet Union, but with corporations trashing wages across the board and taking jobs over seas the country stagnated. The National debt has gotten out of hand, and Republicans want to destroy Social Security.

There is some 4.7 trillion dollars of the National Debt that is owned by government accounts. 56% of which is owned by the American People in the form of the Social Security Trust Fund.

It is not adding to the National Debt as claimed, it is helping keep the debt in American hands. Why do Republicans want to be rid of it? Why is this fact not apart of the dialogue on the National Debt from any source?

FDR did what was needed. Ronald Reagan did more damage than good. It was FDR that challenged corporations to be more responsible. They have responded by proving that their bottom line is the only thing that matters.

The way to beat corporations is to amend the 14th Amendment to exclude corporate person hood from existence. The laws would have to change which could threaten their control over the electoral process. Then you would see what these guys are really made of, and who really supports them and the politicians they groom.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Arthur - It would also help if we changed some laws so that members of Congress were also subject to the very laws they pass. Them being exempt from laws such as insider trading is a place looking for corruption to happen. Just ask Martha Stewart what happens when a mere citizen gets caught insider trading.

I know that as a liberal you have been trained to hate corporations and to some degree, I also hate some corporations. Until the first of this year I owned a corporation and believe me, I paid my fair share of taxes and then some. Small corporations are required to pass any corporate earnings to their personal income, and pay tax on the entire amount in the same year the earnings were derived.

That is unlike GE who we know paid zero taxes in 2011? They were able to hire lobbyists who paid off politicians to gain tax loop holes that made them tax free. GE also contributed huge amounts of money to many political campaigns, mostly for liberal candidates.

To me, the problem is not with Corporations, but with our elected representatives who are sleeping on the job and stealing us blind.

I hear what you are saying, but until we clean up the corruption in Congress, nothing can be done about Corporations.


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Arthur Bundy 3 years ago from Colorado Springs

Let me make myself clear. I do not hate corporations. I hate a total lack of accountability. It was a lesson hard learned for me, but I learned. I eat, breathe, and drink it.

I was growing up when the military was still functioning under it's own power and not as privatized as it has become. I live in USAFA country. You would be amazed at how many private jets the government now owns and uses on a daily basis. Or, more likely leases.

Corporations have taken over many of the logistical needs of the military. Not good or bad, unless there are major financial abuses.

Corporations and politicians work hand in hand together through organizations like the American Legislative Education Council, ALEC.

ALEC has worked to privatize the prison system. Developing laws that support incarcerating more and more people to help fill their quotas, or more to the point their bed space. What I call the business of justice.

Education is being treated the same way. Corporations have effectively stripped local, state , and federal education programs of the means to effectively educate our population . They helped create laws that goes back to Reagan, that had made an industry out of defaulting on student loans. I am unemployed. You would not believe how many schools want to help me go to school, when what I need is a job.

ALEC was focused during the Bush Administration on privatizing Social Security, at a time when the housing bubble was about to collapse. I think the primary backers of that attempt, knew what was coming and tried to legislate their way out of it, at the expense of the American People. And, now that the cat is out of the bag, these same people want to end Social Security. I think they want the money.

4.7 trillion dollars of our National Debt is owned by the American People in the form of government accounts, such as Social Security. Social Security accounts for 56% of that 4.7 trillion dollars. The people are owed that money, so why do Republicans and their corporate backers want it destroyed?

We are at a time when corporate profits are at an all time high, and wages per capita are at an all time low. Politicians are not blind, they are bought and sold on both sides of the US Congress.

I think they both need to be cleaned up. Colorado just passed a political reform bill that took the voters to create and establish it as the law of the land. Politicians in this State were not impressed. If the whole country would get together just long enough to mandate real political reform, and amend it into the Constitution no branch of government could challenge it.

You think this last election was expensive, watch the money that would come in to water this kind of an amendment to the Constitution down.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Arthur Bundy - Thanks for the comeback. I had never heard of ALEC before, or if I had I have forgotten about it.

I believe the original idea to privatize SS was for better return on their money for those who pay into the system. For many years now, politicians have used SS funds as their own personal piggy banks. They dip in and take what they want, anytime they want to.

Lately, SS has been included under the "entitlement" umbrella just like food stamps, free cell phones, section 8 housing, WIC, etc., etc. To my way of thinking SS really is an "entitlement" in that those who have paid into the system their entire working lives deserve to get at least some of their money back. The remaining items I mentioned are not entitlements, they are "Welfare." They are welfare because in many cases the recipient of these items invested little or nothing into the system.

I no longer earn a pay check as I am retired. If I were still working, I would be 100% in favor of privatizing SS, or at least giving a person the choice of putting their money in the politicians piggy bank, or a approved private investment. Had the SS system not been so mismanaged, "stolen from," by our politicians it would still be in darn good shape. I'm really not sure where you get the idea that Republicans want SS destroyed?

You need to understand that much of what you see on the Congressional committees is nothing but a circus show put on for you and I. The decision on what they were going to do was made long before the show started. More decisions are made in back rooms behind closed doors that are ever done publically for us to see.

There are industries such as the natural gas industry in this country desperate for trained employees. There are trade schools willing to teach these necessary skills so that upon graduation the student has a high paying job waiting for him or her.

Times change and needs change. Having a skill set that is no longer in demand is almost a guarantee of long term unemployment and/or a low paying alternative job. Years ago most or all high schools quit teaching shop classes such as welding, auto mechanics, wood shop, and so forth. All of these are skills that are still in high demand today for jobs that pay very well.

There are corporations that are helping students find and attend these specialized trade schools. They do this because they need the skilled labor in their work places.

Bottom line is that high school dropouts and unskilled labor are always going to be whining about not being able to find a high paying job. It is not the fault of corporations that the public school system has failed to prepare students for the big bad world. Government has played a huge role in this dumbing down of America through a failed school system.

Anyhow, we are way off topic here and I again apologize to Jim, the author of this hub.

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