What do the NeverTrumpers do now that Ted Cruz has endorsed Donald Trump? Hmm...veeery interesting

As a Cruz supporter, (not going to say former Cruz supporter, because we have not seen the end of the good Senator from Texas) I've completely understood Cruz's reluctance in endorsing Donald Trump. I believe he always intended to, but some time needed to pass, the dust needed to settle. A lot transpired between the two of them, mostly negative and so... it has needed this time.

Many of us completely understood why he couldn't do it, when he spoke at the Republican Convention...It was too soon and we all know that wounds need time to heal.

Their history has been covered sufficiently, I'll not get into the details.

But, it seems to me that the time is right!

Those of us, that have been reluctant, have come a long way. I can only speak for myself, but it has been a process....I applaud Trump when he talks tough and I shutter when he says something knuckleheadish.....yes, it's okay wordsmiths, it is my creative 'Word for the Day'. We don't want the Leader of the Free World to be knuckleheadish...ever, and he is doing much, much better with Professional guidance. He has come a long way and I commend him for that!

Never have I doubted his Love for this Great Country, never have I doubted his desire to promote America as she deserves and not be condemned with every opportunity, as the current President does.

Never have I doubted why his attitude has been forceful and angry at times, when he lays out measures that must be taken to Keep America Safe!

My take, there are five categories, when it comes to Trump.

The Categories of Trump:

  1. The Trumpsters, they've been onboard, All in since day one
  2. The AlmostTrumpsters; those that always had him penciled in, but solidly at number two
  3. The Won Overs, either won over by Trump or by friends/family
  4. The Reluctants, my category
  5. The NeverTrumpers

I think the NeverTrumpers may have thought Ted Cruz was the Honorary Chairman of their Category, but I disagree for reasons stated earlier.

When it comes down to the Election on November 8th, when those in Category 5 are alone in their little voting booth, behind a curtain, etc., with no one looking over their shoulders, I think they'll vote Trump. They'll see Hillary Clinton's name and their hand will be, as if it is hovering over a Ouija board, it will take them directly to Donald Trump, it will be quick and it will be sudden.

They may share their story in passing some day or they may just take it to the grave with them.

We certainly do not expect that they'll be dancing in the streets, if he wins (when), but maybe a little soft toe tapping will be taking place, unless they're experiencing whiplash from the quick and sudden vote jolt!

I do not know what Hillary will do if she wins, (she won't), it will be nice to continue Life, without her or hubby always in the News, always running for some Office! I'm pretty sure they'll be done. They need to settle down and enjoy those grandbabies. Bill must be tired!

Now that Cruz has endorsed, I think we'll hear more from him. Doubtful, he'll have a place in a Trump Administration, but I'd love to see that.

I think he would be a huge asset to the Team.

A President Trump will need much support, going forward!

The Homeland is under assault from so many different places, it is going to take a lot of fixin'. We've all seen it for ourselves, more attacks from empowered Radical Islamists, more rioting and looting in many major cities by empowered thugs. Refugees and migrants flooding in, in droves.

Why?

Because President Obama had tearing down America and placing wedges between us, as his major goals, he told us so, well before he was elected twice. He wasted no time traveling the World to tell the World about how rotten he believes America is.

He did not build up our Military, he did not maintain a healthy relationship with our strongest Ally in the Middle East, Israel. He did nothing to strengthen our southern border. He invited anyone and everyone in....stay indefinitely, get in this quick line for citizenship, get in this other line to vote.....and he took every opportunity to divide America's citizens.

Hillary Clinton wants to continue his type of 'Leadership' she has said so! He was recently heard telling his loyal minions to vote for her, so that all he has done, shan't be undone. He let it be known that he'd be very disappointed, if they didn't get out and vote for her.

I can't... I won't be a cheerleader for Trump, but I know his vision for America doesn't involve tearing her down or placing dividers between us All.

Trump will not be handing the house keys to the home burglar or the car keys to the car thief.

That's enough for me to say, he has my Support, not dancing in the streets, but I may do a little soft toe tapping, that the NeverTrumpers will discreetly be doing, once the voting is over.

All of you Prayer Warriors need to be in Prayer for this Country, we can't assume that any one person can fix it All.

We need God more than ever!

God Bless America!




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lions44 2 months ago from Auburn, WA

I'm a proud NeverTrump Republican. I had come to admire Ted Cruz for his stand. But this a naked political ploy to keep his electoral hopes alive in Texas. The threats by state party officials got to him. No Republican should support a birther. They are on par with 9/11 Truthers.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

What they should do is do Trump a big favor

and join the Democrat Party. The sooner the Republican party is rid of their ilk the better. They are nothing but beltway elitists who care more about themselves than the future of the country or even their party. When the choice is Trump or Hillary there is no choice, if you care about America you have to vote Trump.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

there is no on par w 9/11 truthers. architects, engineers, miltary generals and heads of other countries dont buy the 9/11 official story.

the only birthers are trump, the tea party and orly taitz.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

So then, Lions44 - Do you plan to vote for Clinton?

If not, will you stay home and in doing so, will you be perfectly okay with providing assistance in possibly sending her to the White House?

lovemychris - What?


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

Just to be clear, although Hillary supporters are never Trumpers by definition, the term actually applies most appropriately to the Republican establishment types who are trying to act like they are high and mighty on principle here as though the preservation of conservatism is paramount and were and have been looking for a replacement for Trump and actually say they'd vote for Hillary over Trump. How can you be a conservative and want Hillary Clinton to win?

And there's a piece by somebody who is not using his name in the byline. He's using the name of a famous Roman, Publius Decius Mus, seeking to be anonymous. Rush reviews the article here which shines light on the shaming of the conservative intellectuals that comprise the Never Trump movement.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/09/07/the_s...

ab, what? is a question everybody asks when reading most of Leslie's comment


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Thanks for sharing Don't taze me Bro. Rush definitely has his own style and I've enjoyed listening to him throughout this entire campaign. Although I've been in the Reluctant category, I've kept an open mind and know good and well what is at stake.

'The Flight 93 Election' Article by Anonymous, is brilliant.

Lions44 - I completely disagree with your assessment of Ted Cruz. He has remained Principled throughout it all. He knows it is time....storm the cockpit or die (might want to read the aforementioned Article)


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lions44 2 months ago from Auburn, WA

Sorry, AB. Ted sold out. His career over principle.

We might lose the Senate because of Trump. Bayh is winning in Indiana and Hassan will win in NH. That's a disaster. PA is too close to call. I think Toomey will lose there as well. Dems won't win the house but they will pick up 15 seats. Makes things tougher.

I refuse to vote for a birther. Sorry. But take solace, I live in WA State, and a Republican, my vote does not count anyway.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

Lions, well then, I see your point. If my vote was in a state where it wouldn't count I wouldn't vote for trump either, but no matter what I wouldn't vote for Hillary. Since when is being a "birther" (but he isn't any more, you have to admit the phony birth certificates Obama offered up fueled the speculation knowing he is a known liar anyway) worse than the sloppy (Comey's words) at least, criminal in the real world way Hillary broke the laws pertaining to her emails, her server and lying about it all.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Let's not forget that silly 'Endorsement Pledge'. Cruz Pledged along with all the others, to support the Republican nominee, come what may!!

So basically, he's damned if he does, damned if he don't.

My prayer is that Trump humble himself before the Lord and, as Lincoln, seek God's Guidance first and foremost.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

Speaking of the Lord and government there is a lesson to be learned in "Humpty Dumpty and the King"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I2lsDeogNo


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Love it.

I've missed your commentary Taze, you always seem to have the perfect video/article relative to the discussion, readily available!


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

Well to tell the truth when I see the garbage some people post (always liberals btw) as commentary when the evidence to refute whatever they say is recorded for history and easily found all over the internet I just can't ignore bringing it to bear. But you know what, it never changes their minds, they just leave the discussion when it's made obvious they are wrong. They never ever admit they are wrong and (not that I am right but), that the facts prove them wrong. Instead when they've lost the debate they change the subject, like attacking the messenger of the facts, or they just disappear from the discussion.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

mirror mirror on the wall.....


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

It is clear that you love your Chris.....your comments up til now, not so clear, at least, not to me.

Are you a big Hillary supporter? A lukewarm supporter? What do see as her strengths? Her weaknesses? What do you like/dislike about Trump?

What makes for a Great Country?


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

ab you are opening a Pandora's box, just go to her profile and read her comments under her activity (I think you will find her activity listed as psycho left wing activity, as opposed to looney left)


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Even so, I'd like her to respond, without quoting lines from Snow White.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

yes im a big hillary supporter. i see as her strengths that shes a mom and a grandma. wife, eh. lots of those around. but i want a president who thinks with her heart, along with her brain. shes a staunch defender of womens rights, and since i have 3, im syked! shes also been around the washingtin block. knows people, knows people internationally. and she knows how to laugh! how to laugh and have a good time, instead of always being formal. things i dont like, too. shes blind to the suffering of palestinians, but thats all of usa. she loves netanyahu, i think hes a war criminal. and shes way too hawkish for my taste.

but for the domestic policy of america, i think shes tops.

trump, i have no regard for. hes a three card monty dealer playing politics to enrich his already rich self. imo

and a good country is one that cares for its people above all else. every single citizen, legal or not!


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Thanks for commenting Love.

It is appreciated!

First, we share common ground. I too am a woman, wife, mother and grandmother. Being a grandmother brings me great joy!

I'm also a small business owner. My husband and I run a business together.

The best thing for our small business, for all businesses, especially small ones, is for the government to stay out of our way! Small government helps keep our doors open and helps keep our people employeed. A fat, bloated government overtaxes and overregulates, because they overspend and someone has to pay for it!

The Democratic Party is the poster child for fat, bloated government. Hillary is all about fat, bloated government. She doesn't understand the small business owner's plight. She doesn't understand keeping our doors open and keeping our people employeed. I personally do not believe that she cares to understand!

I have a granddaughter, I want her role models to be women like Condaleeza Rice, Margaret Thatcher, Mother Theresa....

I'd never want her to ever consider a woman like Hillary Clinton.

Hillary ignored the cries of many women that her husband abused, she didn't care. She only cared about gaining Power!

Not one woman that spoke out against Bill Clinton, made their accusation and then quickly disappeared. They still speak out to this day, they are not silent!

Hillary looked out over America and blamed a video for the deaths of U.S. citizens in Benghazi. She lied about it repeatedly and then took it even further, she looked directly into the eyes of the parents, whose children had been murdered in Benghazi and told them they'd get the person behind the video. We all know now, that was a big lie, a big coverup! She knew the night it happened, it was terrorists attacking the U.S. Consulate and not a stupid video, but the Spin was more important than the Truth!

What kind of person can ignore the cries of multiple women and lie to the face of a grieving mother?

Not one that I could ever get behind and support!

Will not even get into the email fiasco!

You mentioned the suffering Palestinians, they are suffering about as much as any other terrorist suffers. Not at all! They do not comprehend suffering as you or I do, they comprehend one thing... target and destroy the enemy, unfortunately for us and for Israel, that just want to live in Peace and be left alone, we're their enemy. They are not ours!

I have to get behind Donald Trump, I don't think our business can stand another Obama Admin. I know it can't!

I want my grandchildren to, not just stand a chance, but to enjoy a good life. I want them to feel safe within our borders and so I will be voting for Donald Trump.

Praying it through, every step of the way!


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

wow. we have nothing in common whatsoever. what you wrote is like a foreign language to me. and this is why i say we must split america up! i will not put up with this mind set giving orders to me mine. not again. not ever again.

you go your way, ill go mine. you need a country to have your way in. youre not getting mine!

the blue and red states of america. its got to happen, and soon.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Facts are stubborn things, but I don't think I'd describe them as a foreign language!

United we Stand, Divided we Fall. If you want the latter, then you are right, we have nothing left to say to each other.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

your facts are lies to me. and yes, fall rather than do a fascist usa. seeya


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

See, what did I tell ya ab? Psycho, facts are lies to her, her lies are her facts.

When her first reason to support HRC is that she is a mother, wife and grandmother then I guess Trump could be her pick being a father (of his own children) and 8 grandchildren, if that is her prime reason? Trump has more kids and grand kids than Hillary lol. Nothing she says ever makes sense.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

You did warn me. Wow!


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

erp. i did not say wife. they are a dime a dozen just like opinions.

i want someone who thinks with heart....something heartless people will never understand.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

You are right, I must be heartless, because I do not understand.

Tell the victims of Bill Clinton, he and Hillary belittled them, all while working to destroy their reputations, that she thinks with heart.

Tell the parents of those slain in Benghazi, the very ones that she outright lied to, that she thinks with heart.

Tell the family of Shahram Amiri. He WAS an Iranian Scientist providing intel to the U.S. regarding the Iranian Nuclear program. Tell them that she Thinks.....with heart! He was executed recently, when his identity was revealed, due to Hillary's sloppy, misunderstanding and mishandling of (C)lassified emails. She didn't know what the (C) meant! Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, either way......yikes Right?


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

Leslie, Yeah, right someone with heart like Hillary who ran a “war room” to crack down on so called “bimbo eruptions.” This was the name given to the countless stories of infidelity and sexual assaults committed by Bill Clinton over the years.

You are a woman and that's what you call having a heart? Kathleen Wiley describes Hillary’s efforts to keep her silent as “mob like tactics.”

What has she done, what has she accomplished to run for president, to become the president of the United States? I can’t find one thing. And if I could find one thing, I would acknowledge that fact. But I haven’t seen one single accomplishment that would give her the credentials to be president of the United States.

To focus on Hillary's womanhood is a joke, if that’s her one credential for running for president then why don’t you run you're a woman. It makes absolutely no sense.

There are a lot more women out there way more qualified than she. The only thing Hillary has been successful on is riding in on the coattails of other men – like Obama and her husband. That’s it.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

YAWN. shall i go through the litany of bush/reagan/bush/nixon/ford crimes, which speaking out against garnered me the name america-hater?

i know you have a shiny new coin and you think all the world has to agree w you. well, i dont! and i can do so without accusing you of hating america. score one for lmc!


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

I'm sorry that you were labeled a hater of America, simply because you exercised your 1st Amendment Right and spoke out.

I hope that no one ever accuses me of being heartless or a fascist or a liar, simply because I too exercise my 1st Amendment Right and speak out.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

She plays the america hater card all the time and I've never seen anyone say that to her yet, although I don't make a habit of reading her garbage.

So don't worry about anyone calling you an America hater ab, what you need to worry about is that she already called you a liar, that "your facts are lies," but somehow SHE is the falsely accused victim...psycho.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

excuse me, i was speaking in general terms, not specific to you. but if you want to go there, you throw more wood on my fire.

there was a thread here not too long ago, "why do liberals hate america?"

read ahorseback or colorfulone. they get to express their distaste for liberals all the time. no one takes it personally.

and just for actual fact, when i first expressed my opinions on the bush adm, two women: lady love and brenda durham followed me around forums asking why i hate america.

so grow some thicker skin, or leave YOUR insults in the wind!


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Well, I don't know about all that, but when you say you want America to be split up or when you say you want America divided into the Red States and Blue States of America. When you say that illegals should be on the same level as citizens.....you're not doing yourself any favors Love.

Moving on, did ya'll watch the debate?

I think Trump started off strong, but did not remain strong, missed opportunities!

I think Clinton, in an effort to not appear harsh, came off appearing smug and full of herself.

I didn't really learn anything new about either one last night and I was yawning a lot.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

I agree, BOOOOORING, same old same old but I found it interesting Lester directed questions at Trump about some of his controversy but never came near asking Hillary about her email server (Trump had to bring that up and all Lester did was say Hillary do you want to respond about that?) He asked her nothing about her lying about Benghazi or any other Hillary's scandals. For example he questioned Trump about the birther issue, he could have easily directed that at Hillary since it was her camp that started it, he falsely accused Trump of being for the Iraq war when I know, I saw the Hannity interviews, he was against it.. It was obvious he was using Hillary's campaign accusations to question Trump and giving Hillary softball questions avoiding her scandals or lies.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Yes I remember Trump and Hannity butting heads about Iraq, more than once.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

And Leslie, before you start on the birther thing read this http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26...

More proof Politico and fact check are just left wing hacks.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

lolololol! proof of hacks from a hack? breitbart was a nasty man. i see nothing has changed since he croaked.

right wing propaganda.

imo


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Is it right wing propaganda? This isn't something that I've personally ever delved into, but I've heard or read from several sources, that not only Hillary, but Bill was also questioning Obama's legitimacy, especially around the time he seemed to come out of nowhere, denying them the White House. There was much chatter in Democratic circles.

I need to do some thorough research on this, my curiosity is now piqued!


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

AB Leslie didn't even read the headline of the article. The information Breitbart is talking about was broke by the Washington Post, not exactly right wing propagandists if you know anything about the media.

Leslie makes a fool of herself EVERYTIME she opens her mouth. "Breitbart was a nasty man" but Hillary is some sort of admirable example of womanhood? ha, ha, ha. If Leslie spent one month with Hillary Clinton behind the scenes she'd know how absurd that is. What respectable woman would stay with and lie for a man like slick willie?


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

funny, i thought cons supported families? you have no idea what either clinton is like, you just like to pretend you do.

and people in campaigns always look for dirt on opponents. so what became of the so called hillary birther conspiracy? i dont remember her once saying it. i dont remember bill on the stump saying it. but there was 8 years of trump saying it. for which he, if course, blamed hillary. that man cannot even admit to his actions when we all have seen him do it!

he redlined. (paid fine to us gvt), he removed black people from his casinos for his mob friend (david k johnston), and he said laziness is an inherant trait in black people. you have to be nuts to vote for him, imo.

and btw, there are 3 rape allegations against him. on public record. so next time you get all high and mighty with your concern for the women who claim clinton raped them, you really have no moral ground whatsoever.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

God knows I'm not Donald Trump's defender, (Category 4 remember), but the only accusation I've heard against him was from his ex-wife. She later said it wasn't true, accusations were made in the middle of a turbulent divorce.

On the other hand, with Bill Clinton, there are names, faces, interviews, pictures, witnesses, testimony, books, etc.

A.K.A. - Evidence.

Facts and Evidence.....are both stubborn things!

I'll never forget Bill's hostile, how-dare- you-accuse-me demeanor, when he wagged his finger at America insisting, that he did not have sexual relations with Ms Lewinsky.......but that damned blue dress!

After that night, witnessing that, I believed that man was capable of just about anything!

His female counterpart, Hillary, wasn't just standing by her man, she was holding on tightly, because of the places he was going to take her and didn't care who got stepped on, or worse, along the way.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

and in other News....Cruz has praised Trump's performance in the debate.

An endorsement followed up with a compliment.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

"you have no idea what either clinton is like, you just like to pretend you do." ?

Oh, so you aren't pretending Hillary is a champion of women when she spent her whole married life lying about her husband's rape and sexual assaults and destroying women's lives to protect Bill because he was her only ticket to money and power. This is no secret to anyone who has investigated Bill's sordid affairs and has been revealed by some of Hillary's close friends and associates. I think it's obvious if anyone is adept at pretending it is you Leslie, you are living and telling a fantasy.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

deathandtaxesmag.com an article by jamie peck.

3 allegations. violent and horrific.

but of course you wont believe it. and youll keep ridiculing and condeming dems for supporting hillary. because of course, everything the right wing media says about them is all true.

but things said about trump are all lies!

i go by my gut. i can believe every horrible thing said about frat boy by the way he acts.

low energy jeb

lyin ted

little marco

.....frat boy bully. and im sure youve seen and heard what frat boys like to do.

he has no soul. imo

and since you like to investigate, you really should dig into monica and her woman pal.

they both players for the vast right wing.

the vrw....believe it.

did u hear trump promised to appoint anti abortion justices?

freedom freedom! for the fertilized egg. for the woman, not so much. lock-down, usa

trump's america


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

So now you've gone and brought abortion into this Love?

You have your own special way of making everything seem so conspiratorial and threatening and ugly, even when talking about the Miracle of Life.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

if i dont have freedom to control my own body, what other freedoms matter?

and please, you support the destruction of precious life in palestine....lets be real.

the cons think only certain life is precious: the egg, not the woman. the jew, not the arab. the christian, not islam.

sorry, you dont get to make the rules for everyone else. live and let live and all that.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

See you lie then argue the lie. Conservatives believe all life is precious, but when you hold no regard for the life of the unborn then you are the one who supports destruction of all or any life, not just the unborn for if the innocence of the unborn means nothing to you then there is no such thing as innocence in your world, that is supporting destruction of any lives.

If you care about the freedom to control your own body don't get pregnant, simple as that and that is way easier than planning to become guilty of murdering the innocent.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

cons do not think all life is precious, only those deemed worthy by them. truthfully, they think they they are god. think god made a lot of mistakes, so they must correct it. cause, after all, who knows better than they?

guess that makes someone else a liar, not me.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

To assert that you can't control your body without the right to murder an innocent person in the womb is feeble sick reasoning, not logic at all but Psycho, I am not surprised by anything you'd say ....or do!.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

to assert an egg deserves more consideration than a fully grown female is misogany writ large. go vasectomize your boys. that is the only fool proof way to prevent abortion if thats what you really care about.

and to assert that total strangers in government have the right to determine what every woman must do is tyranny.

and to make everyone live under your religion is anti constitutional. we have right to be secure in our person. that means you dont have access to it. that means mind your own business. that means we are not under your thumbs any more.

and if you think life is precious why do you support the genocide of palestinians? you supported iraq shock and awe didnt you? lots of precious life bombed to smithereens.

doesnt nature have miscarriage all the time? why so hysterical when a woman does it on her own?

i think you need to get honest with yourself and figure out what youre really all about. concern for life aint it, imo. like i said, you dont get to pick and choose which ones matter. nor do you get to run others lives. you are not god.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

"voter identification laws and the suppression of minority votes"...read it.

231 new restrictions on womens reproductive rights since "jobs jobs jobs" 2010 congress.

how is this governing?

its creating one party rule and a fundamentalist ideology in charge of usa.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Looks as if some, not all, but, many of the NeverTrumpers are coming around.

I've noticed many conservatives in the media, that aren't quite as hard on Trump, as they've been in the past.

I have FB friends that haven't endorsed him yet, maybe they never will, but they are finally coming to terms with their choice for President of the United States.

Trump may never get their public endorsement.....it may take seeing the name, Hillary Clinton on the ballot, once they are in the voting booth, for the "Vote Jolt" to kick in!

Trump for the Win!


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 months ago from Tazeland Islands

the "Vote Jolt"

That's exactly how I feel about it ab, when it comes down to picking one or the other in private I think people with a conscience will have to vote against Hillary no matter how uncouth they may feel Donald Trump is. They did it when Obama ran, a total unknown, unvetted primary candidate with no accomplishments or experience proved to be most democrat's choice (where it counted) over Hillary Clinton then and why not now especially given all the lying about her scandals since then, if their conscience is at work.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

Yes the Vote Jolt will definitely be at play and....is the subject matter of my next article. Coming soon.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Keep dreaming. Next debate the fangs come out.

Good luck delusional don....youll need it.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

No, he was the change agent. Remember, back when cons made fun of that phrase hope and change?

Hillary is just who she always is. A democrat more aligned with republicans than some would wish.

But she cares about things that matter. Not thinking its smart to screw the country that affords her her nice life.

Anyway, shes at a huge advantage over trump. Everything dirty and distasteful about her and her husband has been out there for 3 decades.

Trump, however, people dont know about yet. The media has been protecting him so far. Cash cow and all.

But the accusations regarding him make hillary look like snow white. And frankly, i dont want to go there, as it will be traumatic for many, myself included.

Really, i dont know why he ran. Guess he thought the teflon would last forever.

Next debate, teflon coating comes off....if it gets that far.


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abwilliams 2 months ago from Central Florida Author

...and you are so right Taze. The Clintons never saw the bulldozer, (train is already taken) that was Obama, coming. A virtual unknown, plowed right over them!


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Love.....did you watch the debate last night?

If so, was that your first time seeing the faces of some of the victims of the Clintons?

Did you see the press conference held before the debate, with the victims of the Clintons?

As a woman, how did seeing these women make you feel?

Is it your opinion that the Words of Trump are worse than the Actions of Bill and Hillary?


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

No im not watching any of them. Just as i dont watch slasher movies, i dont want people like dumpy infecting my mind.

And if these women are victims, theyre victims of bill, not hillary. And what does any of it have to do with the election?

Im more interested in the 14th of october, when trumps trial for rape starts.

Did you forget about that?

Oh, and he is running for prez.


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

I guess I missed that press conference.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Yes, you see AB, if Leslie's neighbor raped her and his wife threatened her to keep quiet and even hired private investigators to dig up her past to discredit her if she didn't, she'd still vote for that rapist's wife because she didn't rape her, and probably because she, the wife, advocates murdering an innocent child in the womb even minutes before it's birth.

Is this the portrait of today's democrat voter? Hope and Change, I hope not but if so that better change.


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Hard to fathom.


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

Guess what? Another woman coming forward to explain how trump groped her and tried to put his hand up her dress. Unwanted. But remember, he said when youre a star you can do anything.

Trial for rape of a 13 yr old girl. Oct 14.

Allegations he used two 12 yr olds for sex then roughed them up. Courtesy of that "great guy" epstein.

And melania supports him!

And so do you.

Hard to fathom.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

"Another woman coming forward" OK that makes one, only about 20 more to catch up with Hillary's husband's record and who knows how many more were she not there enabling him.

Funny you never heard about any such thing until now. Guess this woman needed some kind of cover like the video to go public or was Melania threatening and intimidating the woman to keep her from going public? If so Melania should be running for president, it would be more of a match up,


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Love....you keep going back to Bill. Let's leave Bill out of this.

Have you seen any of the Clinton emails which have been outed? Hillary admits that she has both a public and a private persona, there's chatter within of keeping the public "both ignorant and docile", and don't let them know about "her relationships with Wall Street".

Love, don't Allow yourself to be another Victim of the Clintons.


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Taze, I question whether there is even one. Otherwise, that would be all we'd be seeing in the News and in Newspaper headlines.

I, personally, haven't seen or heard any accusations against Trump (other than his crude words, which I'll not defend)

In the press conference with the Clinton victims, News Reporters were facing these women, but attacking Trump!!

Paula Jones had to interrupt and remind them why they were there.

It was the craziest thing!


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

I will add this...IF it is true that Trump is capable of or responsible for Acts comparable to those of Bill Clinton, I'll condemn him for it and he will no longer have my reluctant support.

I refuse to go through life with blinders on!!


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Of course there will be women that come out of the shadows, likely the left is searching for anyone who will and I wouldn't put it past them to in some way make it worth their while to do so, whether it is true or not.

But in any event it is the left and the democrats who defended Bill's dalliances to the end as NYB it is his personal life, so who are the hypocrites? The democrats, always the democrats, with their double standards.

I'm not supporting Trump, I'm against Hillary. But there is no other viable alternative to Hillary. Forget about these two "personalities," this is not a popularity contest between a man and a woman both of whom have demonstrated character flaws. This is a choice between leaving our children a healthy economy, an America based on the constitution with feedom abounding as opposed to "Hillary's America" of which the movie paints a clear picture.http://www.dineshdsouza.com/movies/hillarys-americ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2sLco0NzQ8


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

There are 2 celebrity women who have already said trump made unwanted sexual advances on them. One says he tried to put his hand up her dress. If thats not bad enough for you, then lets stop pretending youre outraged about bill. I mean, go grab a p****y or something, since its no big deal.

And wikileaks is another operative of the vrw.

Because, where is the secret intel about 9/11? Where are emails from other politicians? You wont see anything that attacks the right from them.

And im so happy you constitution loving cons are so excited about leaking private info.

Oh, and its not gubmint doing it!

This morning i found out why evangelicals support trump regardless if his lewd and sloppy behavior....because he will appoint judges that will " end abortion in america"

So much for freedom. But hey, at least theyll expand gun rights. Why, well be seeing guns everywhere.

Freedom for guns, lockdown for women.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Correction, you mean judges who will constitutionally stop murder of innocent unborn children (at least half of which would be women too if the right to be born wasn't stolen from them). Freedom to murder is not a right under the constitution, try reading it. Freedom to control your own body doesn't come at the cost of a developing child's freedom to control their own body...wake up.


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh yes it does. I have right to be secure in my person. That means my uterus is not subject to your and pences religion.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Did I mention religion? As usual you raise a straw man. The only reference I made wasn't to religion or even to God but only the constitution which if you read it you'd know the Court’s ruling of Roe v Wade actually violated the Constitution on several grounds.

Against the will of the people, and in defiance of the Constitution, the Court created policy not based on the Constitution. So of course instead of sticking to the facts, something you are loath to do you because they ALWAYS prove you wrong YOU (not me or Pense or the government or anyone else) inject religion when it has NOTHING to do with whether Roe v Wade should be overturned.

The majority opinion expressed by Justice Harry Blackmun reasoned that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protected a woman’s “liberty,” which included a “right of privacy … broad enough to encompass” her right to have an abortion.

Yet, the Court illegally excluded a particular class of people (the unborn) from the Due Process Clause’s protection. It effectually created “a constitutional right of some human beings to kill other human beings,” attests University of St. Thomas law professor Michael Stokes Paulsen.

Likewise, University of Pennsylvania law professor Kermit Roosevelt (who supports legalized abortion) points out: “As a constitutional argument Roe is barely coherent. The Court pulled its fundamental right to choose more or less from the constitutional ether.”

In his dissenting opinion, Justice William Rehnquist wrote, “To reach its result the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment.”

The Court’s ruling violated the Constitution’s most fundamental principle: human equality and the protection of one’s right to live. The Constitution requires that every human life be protected, regardless of age, size, stage of development, or dependency on another human being.

The Court also ignored legal jurisprudence and historical context regarding the Fourteenth Amendment. State laws prohibited abortion prior to the Fourteenth Amendment’s adoption in 1868—contrary to Blackmun’s demonstrably false claims.

I repeat in hopes that it may sink into your thick skull: The Constitution requires that every human life be protected, regardless of age, size, stage of development, or dependency on another human being. Read it and weep, then pray for forgiveness.


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

Your religion thinks an egg is a baby. I dont. Your religion would force me to use my uterus against my will. That is the furthest thing from freedom or the constitution there is. If i dont own myself, what freedom can i possibly have?

I dont want you conservative men grabbing any part of me.


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

You don't even know what my religion is and as I pointed out, which you obviously didn't even read, religion has nothing to do with this discussion. What planet are you from?


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

You cherish your uterus, but reject it's purpose? Is that a fair question

lovemychris?

You cherish Your Rights, but do not even recognize the Rights of Others, correct?

These tiny humans have a heartbeat at 16 days, (scientific evidence) - I don't throw random crap at the wall, just to see if I can get something to stick)

....so, these little humans have a heartbeat at 16 days, but their voice will not be heard until their first cry out!

Until that time comes and their voice is audible, I'll be their voice!

I'll be their advocate!

Women like you and Hillary Clinton think that by having a uterus, you're put in a position, where only you can have an opinion on this subject.....

You believe that men cannot have an opinion on this subject, because they are not all knowing and all powerful and all 'uterused up' like you.

After all, You have the Ability to snuff out a Life...with a simple command! Such Power!!


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lovemychris 7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh you can have an opinion and have the right to excercise it.

You dont have the right to force me to share it, or live by your dictums.


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

So we agree then, these little ones do have Rights...and you don't have the Right to force your "dictums" on them.....more common ground.


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abwilliams 7 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Ted Cruz continues to impress.

While everyone else plays their little Washington games and act so taken back and appalled by Trump's language from over a decade ago.....

The practical one, the Outsider, Sen. Cruz, has questions for the game-playing media, "how long have you held on to this information", "why an Oct. '16 release"?


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Dont Taze Me Bro 7 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Not only how long have they held onto that info, what about all the info they never cover, info and accusations (of lewd talk) that were they leveled at Trump would be the talk of the town!

This is a woman who told the world lies about herself and her teenage daughter who was with her in the lie, expecting her daughter to back up her lies, apparently. No one has ever questioned why Hillary would lie about an event at which her daughter was a witness, and witness to her lie. That is child abuse.

Three Eyewitnesses Allege Hillary Called Aide A ‘F**king Jew Bastard’. Never reported by the mainstream media, were it Trump you bet it would be front page.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/three-eyewitness...

Talk about Trump's lewd remarks, Hillary Clinton once called disabled children at an Easter egg hunt 'f***ing ree-tards' and referred to Jews as 'stupid k***s' while Bill called Jesse Jackson a 'damned n****r,' claims Bill's former lover

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635882/Hi...


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

AB Well election is over, so much for the "proud never Trumpers." I wonder just what they have left to be proud of if that was their main claim to fame.


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abwilliams 2 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

I'm sure that many of them regret painting themselves into a corner. Others... I don't know what they may be thinking today. Maybe some are just proud of standing their ground, refusing to budge. I'd like to hear from them!


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Dont Taze Me Bro 2 weeks ago from Tazeland Islands

Me too, but you never will, they are all about themselves.


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abwilliams 2 weeks ago from Central Florida Author

Sad huh....I thought it was supposed to be about our Country!

The same goes to the brats in the street, making it ALL about themselves! Of course many of them have never been taught to make it about anyone else or anything else.

"When the voters give Republicans control of the White House, the Senate and the House, we've got to deliver. It is time to put up or shut up." -Senator Ted Cruz

I'm with Senator Cruz, let's give them an opportunity to deliver and if they do not, then we'll fire them too and start again!

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