Election 2012 - What of Substance Can We Look For In Debate #2?

Will more than 70,000,000 Americans watch this one?

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Americans expected Obama to win the 1st debate, but Romney won handily. How much better do Americans expect Obama to do this time?


Several major differences are in store for Election 2012's Debate #2: the locale, the moderator, the topic, and the format.

Locale: Hempstead, New York at Hofstra University


Moderator: Candy Crowley of CNN


Topic: Domestic & Foreign Policy


Format: This is a Town Hall Meeting format with questions selected from the questions submitted by those attending (persons claiming to be independent voters as chosen by the Gallup Organization) and from questions submitted online (which past debate experiences have shown to include attempts to manipulate the pool of predominant questions.)


In effect, only the two candidates debating have not changed as Americans await Debate #2.

After the ignoring of the rules in the first debate, and also in the VP Debate, it may not mean much to indicate that the rules for Debate #2 call for each candidate to have two minutes to respond to the questions, with a minute allotted to the moderator for whatever purpose she feels may further the purpose of the debate (presumably for her questioning to clarify the candidates' answers.).

It is notable that the audience for this second debate is said to be made up of independent voters most of whom are likely to have been drawn from current Hofstra students and other current residents of the State of New York. New York voters have been considered likely to award their majority of votes to candidate Obama, giving Obama all of the state's large number of 29 first ballot votes in the Electoral College. (Texas has 38, California has 55.)

If true, that means that the votes of New York's independent voters will not be a factor in Election 2012, but an exit polling of those attending Tuesday night's debate could very well show how independent voters in the "swing states" may be tending to cast their votes.

What subjects of interest have not been adequately discussed in the 1st Debate and the VP Debate?

Some Americans argue that none of the subjects of real concern have been adequately discussed! Readers here may agree. And to test that assertion ask yourself the following questions:

(a) Has either party explained how they will lower the National Debt?

(b) Has either party explained just how they will lower unemployment to below 6%?

(c) Has either party explained how and when they will provide a balanced budget?

(d) Has either party agreed to take up a comprehensive immigration policy?

(e) Has either party agreed to work in a bipartisan way to reform the tax code?

(f) Has either party explained how the nation can deal with its decaying infrastructure?

(g) Has either party explained in detail how they will approach education reforms?

(h) Has either party explained how they will deal with crime, especially gangs, in the USA?

(i) Has either party a realistic plan for dealing with the crisis in Syria, Iran's nuclear ambitions, or deadlock in the United Nations Security Council?

(j) Has either party explained a realistic plan for preserving Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and establishing a universal health coverage with enough of the participating doctors, nurses, hospitals, and other health professionals needed to manage one?

There are enough other topics of national concern to provide material for ten debates. These include banks that are still too big to fail, America's continuing import/export imbalance, patent and intellectual property protection, the upholding of states' rights, the proper management of federal lands, the needs of Native Americans, America's high poverty levels and homelessness, the massive military/industrial complex, coping with pork barrel politics, term limits, Super PACs, speeding judicial appointments to relieve the backlogs in the nation's court system, and terrorism.

How many of these issues will see clear policy statements in the remaining two presidential debates on 10/16/12 and 10/22/12 and the less-discussed "Minority Debate"?

And, lastly, how many of the critical items (a) to (j) will you be able to feel have been answered to your own satisfaction following the final two national, presidential debates?

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Wayne Brown profile image

Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

One thing is sure...you can looked for a somewhat confused Barack Obama. Supposedly, he considered himself too polite in the first debate, then they turned the bulldog (Biden) loose in the VP Debate. By most accounts that act did not play to well with those watching thus Obama is between a rock and a hard place. He cannot tout his record and his record thus far undermines the credibility of success for any plan he might have for the future. His international blunders have been news fodder all week with a growing impression that the White House fumbled the ball in Libya and now wants to throw someone else under the bus. A President with any character or leadership skills would step up to the microphone and say..."Regardless of what took place, the damage is done and the fault lies with me and ultimately only me. I accept that responsibility and I pledge to the American people that such a situation will never occur again as long as I am charged with being the President of the United States." But you see, Obama can't swallow any crow. His ego chokes him on the feathers. It is easier to lie and point fingers...blaming others. Romney on the other hand just needs to stay on game...focus on the issues, sell the plan, lay out details and counter when accusations are thrown out as the validity of his plan. Honestly, I fully expect the President to be all over the board and if his frustration goes high enough...he just might lose it on national television revealing yet another face of the true man. ~WB


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

It will be sad, but not so surprising, if candidate Obama doesn't regain some of his lost ground. Will there be a "time's up bell" or buzzer to contain the wasting of time this time around? " When confused drone on" played out the first time around, probably with the thought of using up the time and moving on to Debate #2. That only passes for strategy once. It can be hard for a candidate in office to explain policies he hasn't yet executed, as being the ones he plans to try in a second term, if only he gets a second chance.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Most likely there will be no details on how they plan to fix the problems. They are most likely not even aware of some of the issues you mentioned in your hub. They are not interested in border issues, let alone gangs in the cities.

The majority of the problems and issues you mentioned do not affect any of them personally, only you and I, and all the other citizens of this country. For the most part it seems they could care less unless they are personally affected.

Do they really have a plan or is this just more "feelgood" crap for us to swallow? I don't know other than what we are doing now sure isn't working.


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Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

Old Poolman: Republicans and Democrats are responsible for a malaise I have never experienced as an American. We have had big problems before, but never as many big problems at one time, and all of them hanging on and worsening. We badly need solutions and problem solvers. As for the unemployment problem which is at the root of so many of our concerns, it is great that the percentage went down, but down to a still unacceptable 7.8% doesn't mean the problem has been solved; far from it (after all, what IS .002 times 23,000,000 of unemployed, under-employed, and no-longer-lookings?) Meantime the nation's debt continues to grow, and grow, and grow unchecked.


Old Poolman profile image

Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Don't forget, the news reported that the 7.8 unemployment number was skewed. It seems the State of California failed to get their report sent in on time, and was not included in the results. I suspect had they included California's unemployment numbers, it would have been higher than 7.8. The way they compile this number remains a mystery to most of us. One expert claimed the way this number should be viewed is on a three month average rather than one month at a time. By doing so they would take out the ripples caused by seasonal labor.


Hxprof 4 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

If the candidates were asked some serious questions about the issues you mentioned we'd get answers that would disqualify both participants. Neither man has the answers to the problems on your list, though they dearly want us to believe that they do.

Further, I agree with Old Poolman: They have no interest in securing our borders - none, nada, zip. Sadly there's no federal law against murder or we could put every member of Congress plus Bush and Obama on trial as accessories to murder for everyone who has died as a result of their failure to secure our borders.


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carol7777 4 years ago from Arizona

I read this with great interest. Sometimes it feels like these debates are just on the entertainment level. Who said what and who laughed and who interrupted...And the major issues are not solved.


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

Old Poolman: If the figure was "manipulated" (and folks say that is highly unlikely) it will be manipulated again in the next report which is due out in the week before the election. Reporting unemployment too late to be included in the surprising drop could certainly be a suspect manipulation given the interests of the clearly dominant political party in California. College students going back to college jobs (and thus off unemployment) is why a "seasonally adjusted figure" is called for, and even supposedly "final" figures do get "adjusted." Remember my grandfather's story in which the skeptical shopper in the town's store retorted to the store owner: "Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure." The real point is: even 7.8% unemployment is far too high a result, if leadership is to be defined as effective.


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

Hxprof: Americans working together have always been able to solve America's problems. The history of government in the current term of this president and this Congress is not a history of working together, and ruling by Executive Orders is certainly un-American and a departure from good government American-style.


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

carol7777: On TV style is certainly important and political debates seem to throw out sound debating rules. Nonetheless, true character can shine through, and that is the saving grace of having such debates visible to all. Politicians seem to "break the rules" almost all the time, and the rest of the time they make up new ones! I want a bell, or a buzzer for "time's up" in these debates but someone (probably one or more politicians) eliminated that tool for control, so the time-grabbing goes on and the answering time is distorted by two candidates potentially bullying and devolving the debates into outrageous theater.


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cleaner3 4 years ago from Pueblo, Colorado

you can expect the people in the audience to be pro obama , you can expect the moderator to be pro obama, that being said just like the Vp debate mitt romney will be attacked from all sides . The only thing he can do is try to stay on point and explain his position to all the independents who will decide this election. Any one who doesn't think it will be this way is very delusional . Since the media is truly very biased toward the president and WE all know it, this will be another staged attack on Mitt Romney with questions about the DETAILS. How is it that he has to have details but the president can Stammer and stutter his way through with inane answers about how it is turning around and tomorrow it will be 1 /10 of 1 % better . Rational people know that Tommorow never comes for when it is time for tommorow it is today ! my prediction is " If president Obama is reelected prepare for 4 more years of GRIDLOCK ,just like the last 4 years".


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Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

cleaner3: On a hopeful note: I suspect you are wrong, as I believe Governor Romney is too astute to allow being distracted from his clear message of bipartisanship, clear tests for ongoing programs, focus on good jobs, improving education to create what our children will need to compete in the 21st Centruy world, local government to solve local problems, equitable taxes and a reformed tax code minus corporate loopholes, greater balance of exports to imports, and a strong safety net for those who need it most. He will not be content to "rule" by Executive Orders which circumvent the democratic process, and he will let our enemies and allies know exactly where America stands and draws its lines. How's that for a description of his positive agenda?


cleaner3 4 years ago

that is an excellent description of the direction Romney will take us . but As i said previously the media can not be trusted , whether it is Candy Crowley or the Candy man . they are in the hip pocket 0f Obama. It is a shame that the media doesn't do it's job and call out Obama , I expect Cnn to be just as biased as they were when after the VP debate, they said that a poll showed Ryan had a 48% to biden's 44 % and then said it was a draw, Really Wolf Blitzer ? where did you go to school at ? A Draw?


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ImKarn23 4 years ago

i like the questions you pose..

perhaps you should moderate it..

i expect obama to come out swinging this time - let's hope he doesn't over-swing the mark..

whateva'

they both are heinous..one's just slightly more heinous than the other..


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

ImKarn23: If the choice is a "toss up" in any election (local, state, congressional, presidential) I try to look at a candidate's life values and vote accordingly. I don't think I could vote for any candidate who was truly "hatefully bad" (heinous).


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SommerDalton 4 years ago

Great point and great questions! I have been so disappointed in the last two that I'm not sure I'll watch anymore. This hub makes me want to though:). Voted up plus 3


cleaner3 4 years ago

I see today that Candy Crowley and the biased network of Cnn already want to change the rules .

Would expect nothing less from them in order to help Obama .

American people , Keep an open mind when watching this setup attack .on Mitt Romney.


Perspycacious profile image

Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

cleaner3: I thought the rules had to be mutually agreed to by both candidates/parties, is that not so? CNN and Crowley might want to change them. I would like to change them (e.g. the buzzer or bell inclusion). I don't think a moderator or a network can make changes by themselves. It's bad enough that they can filter what Town Meeting Style questions filter through to be posed to the candidates!


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Perspycacious 4 years ago from Today's America and The World Beyond Author

SommerDalton: There is so much at stake, not only for America but for the world, there should be worldwide audiences of the numbers that watched Princess Diana's wedding....though the wedding had much more romantic appeal than two American political candidates debating the future of America's role in the world!


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Skarlet 4 years ago from California

I am not sure what to expect. As you mentioned, Obama was expected to win the first debate. I actually thought he would too.

In retrospect, he had no leg to stand on so how could he win?

I guess all the media noise got to me.

Many are saying that the Town Hall format will favor Obama this time.

I think if he uses Biden's formula, he may win.

Not as blatant and silly as Biden did, but basically keeps subjects bouncing around and eluding to liberal talking points. -The War on Women, and the whole anti rich propaganda.


cleaner3 4 years ago

Perspy, you are not that nieve are you ? you should know that the moderator has control after the debate starts .. she will do follow up questions on the topic that the questioner starts out with so don't tell me about the rules . You are trying to believe that it will be fair, but that perspective is false in it's entirety. just watch for her to do the same as Martha , trying to give the president the edge and try to make Romney look bad . She is a woman and will push the whole abortion , war on women, female contraception thing. Women should understand that the economy is the issue and if the economy goes down the tubes , we are all in trouble because then the social justice issues are moot . please do not blow smoke about fairness , when you know the media is very BIASED.

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