What poison is best to kill a stray dog? (Someone asked that?!)

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My Answer to This Question

The following is my unedited answer to this question:

I have a solution, please read to the end.

I can surmise one of three things:

1.You are not in an area that cherishes the animals we have dubbed "man's best friend." This could explain you not understanding this act is, at least, not something to "tell the neighbors," so to speak.

2. You may be trying to get a reaction. Kudos, for you have.

3. Perhaps you just do not understand the reaction this would receive.

I can tell you, having done research, exactly the kinds of things that would work for such a situation. (Edit: Just to clarify, this is research on anatomy and biology, NOT poison.)There are many very awful things that should not be introduced into ANY living being's body. I however have no desire to be party to killing a self aware creature. And even if I did, I have the good sense not to do so on a public forum such as this.

As I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, I have suggestions. Please understand that there are other ways to take care of a stray dog. If Ahmedabad, India does not have an animal shelter to take care of it, you could find another, much less cruel way to drive it off. Consider a fence, dog repellent, or even just spraying the dog with a spray bottle or hose (the last is not really humane, but it's better than poison). If you want to send me a message with more details, I will happily help you figure out another way. I can also recommend specific products for you to look for based on your needs.

Social Perspecive

The response most people had to this question was one of shock and derision. Is this fair to the person posting the question? I know, my first response is "yes" as well. But what IF this man just does not see it the same way? To understand what is going on here, we have questions we must ask:

How evil is this jerk? Is NOT a productive question. We really don't know the social aspects of his situation.

Not to defend killing dogs, but rather to take this opportunity to challenge our own social perspectives, I would like to talk about this issue. Some questions we may ask are:

1. Clearly he considers dogs to be a pest. Why is this?

2. Is there a dangerously high population of stray dogs in his area? If so, how could this be? What do these dogs do?

3. Does this only count for dogs? What about other animals?

Maybe there are so many stray dogs near him they are causing property damage. Maybe this problem is on such a large scale, it is even putting his family's safety at risk. Maybe it is endangering his lively hood. They could be tearing up his farm, hunting his chickens, digging up crops. We need to find a way to put this into perspective to really understand.

Badger

I couldn't find a rat easily, so here is a badger!
I couldn't find a rat easily, so here is a badger! | Source

Take the rat for example. We in the USA consider rats a huge pest. They get into everything and cause damage on incredible scales. However, we still have rats as pets. In fact, rats are a very popular pet because they are quite intelligent and have diverse, loyal personalities. Rat owners are often as fond of their rats as dog owners are of their dogs. In fact, you could argue that rat owners are more loyal to their pets than dog owners are. I have never known a rat owner to mistreat and drop off a rat like some dog owners I have known. If we had an infestation of stray dogs in the USA the likes of which this man may be suffering, would we treat dogs the same way? Perhaps we would. Strange to think of it in this light.

I'm NOT saying it's okay to kill stray dogs. I AM saying, we should be more thoughtful and look at another's perspective before condemning him.

We value dogs. He clearly does not. We do not value rats, unless they are pets. It is hard to think of life in terms of value, but we often put value markers on life without realizing it. If you think about it, you will see the ways in which we do this.

Do YOU have any thoughts to add to this? Comments always appreciated, even if it's just to call me a nutter.

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vic 21 months ago

I am a dog lover but came here to find out humane ways to rid a property of packs of dangerous dogs....I was charged by a 100 pound wild pit. Luckily I was able to defend myself with one of those black guns the anti gun people don't think regular citizens should have.....if it were a bolt action, I might be dead. We suspect most of these wild dogs come from the dog fighting operation that was busted last year. The woods are filled with wild pits.


Shrey Anand 21 months ago

Bloody swines...they bite .....spread diseases....bark on sunday morning....saturday night.....rich people have car so they are safe.....i walk the roads .....got bitten by them numerous times... morning they sleep ...and late at night when i come from office....bastards stand like spartans in my way.....i will those bastards....hunt them down....poison them whatever...and will come back home drink rum...or black dog whiskey ..whatever


los 22 months ago

I walk a lot,and I come across wild dogs in the country that want to make lunch out of me.I carry two knives and pepper spray just in case they try to attack.But when they see a sharp knife they get my message to avoid me.I don't want to kill or hurt any living creature,but I will to protect myself or my family.


Sureka 2 years ago

In India, dogs are a danger. They attack without provocation. In the past month, a stray killed a 2-month baby, a pack mauled a kid on his way to school, a stray attacked a toddler and his nanny. We used to have dog vans that would round up strays, then along came mad cow Maneka Gandhi with her head in her arse, and now the law prevents the killing of strays even if they are killers. Solution ?


anonymous 2 years ago

Know, though, that I do not normally advocate poison. Carbon monoxide is the easiest, least painful, and most humane way. Just put the dog in a box, attach the box to the exhaust of a car on idle, and in five minutes it's done.


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kwade tweeling 2 years ago from USA Author

Anonymous commenter, I'm not sure you read the whole article. My initial response to the question at hand was from a "western" perspective. Your response seems very appropriate to that. In the second part, I added more thoughts. What you just outlined is exactly my point. I don't understand the attitude toward dogs in other parts of the world. Perhaps I did not explain my thoughts very well. If you read the whole post, assuming I explained myself well, you'd know I was trying to point that out. I brought up the idea that here in the US, we have a very specific view. I also tried to point out; condemning people based on that view without knowing more is a poor way to function. I included comparing rats here with dogs other places in hopes this helps provide some understanding. When a creature is out of control and causing damage to people's livelihood, it's harder to think of it as cuddly and worth protecting. Again, all of this was intended to point out that we (in the US) really don't know the circumstances that inspired asking this question.

I really do find the idea of killing dogs a sad one. That said, I can't know what it's like to deal with them the way you are. Good luck dealing with the problem.

Thanks for reading and commenting.


anonymous 2 years ago

I'm not sure, with all due respect, that the author of this article fully understands the attitude towards dogs in India, Bangladesh, and similar areas. In the West, dogs are a popular pet. The most popular in fact, and many if not most people are fond of them, and I don't think stray dogs are very aggressive. Here (Note: I am American, but have lived in BD for many years) dogs are a nuisance. They live in packs, stealing food from people's homes, intimidating those who cross their territory. Most people here are afraid of dogs, which doesn't make it better. Without resistance, the packs become large and healthy. I have heard stories from friends of dogs stealing food from local hospitals. As to your comment on animal shelters? Hahahahaha! I hope you're not serious, that is so far from reality... This is a big deal, and in no way are they "man's best friend". I, while a dog lover myself, understand that these dogs are dangerous. A new path was recently built to provide access to a deep portion of rice field, but the dogs have taken it over, so no one will use it. I came here looking for a way to exterminate them. Near where I live is a compound with many foreigners, and a worse dog problem then here. They succeeded in discreetly exterminating the dogs. I seek to do the same for our community. So please, realize that not everyone is a vegetarian, and not every culture is like the West.


frostiscold 2 years ago

I live in Cambodia and my friend was bitten twice yesterday by a dog as she walked to get coffee. The same set of dogs have attacked her children, her dog, and harassed me as we walked past. They live on the next block, making it difficult to take the kids for a walk.. The owners took no responsibility except for paying for her rabies shots. (Rabies is prevalent here). The dogs roam the street during the day, at risk of being hit by a car, and putting others at risk of being bitten, in a country where the street is a place for people to hang out and chat. I came across this thread while looking for a humane way to resolve this issue to prevent further attacks by an aggressive pack of dogs. No, I realise this is not considered ok in the west, but in a country where there is no other recourse and the wealthy ignore the safety of those around, different options need to be considered.


Tam 2 years ago

Dogs are not a best friend it's a figure of speech so pull ur head out of your arse.( so was that a figure of speech) I didn't actually believe it was up there! Ha ha. Dogs are bests like kangaroos in some places if you would like to fix my car every week from hitting the tickets then sure save every fucking dog roo make the retards feel better. U know the ones who can't find real friends an need a fucking dog.!


Qt 2 years ago

Hey i live in a posh area ib bangalore ...so callled posh...but offlate stray dogs are such a menace....no animal protection authorities are capable nor willing to help...i have a hectic week and the barking of these 5 dogs is so horrible i lose my beauty sleep..i have mixed chilli powder in water and thrown on these dogs...hit them with stones...and drive over them if luck is there...nothing seems to wrk...i did read somewhere that chocolates can kill them will t ry else willl have to sponsor a visa for a guy from vietnam so he can kill and cook the strays...bangaloreans can now start to eat dog meat!


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kwade tweeling 2 years ago from USA Author

I'm not so sure those last two actually read this post. Oh, well. I guess it was still contributing.


CrazyFrog77 2 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoniazid

Proven solution. Put 10 tabs of this drug and 1 of metoclopramide into a sausage or piece of meat and feed the stray dog. It will be dead in 2 hours.

In Russia and Ukraine we have a lot of problems with stray dogs and a lot of volunteers known as "doghunters" who solve it, visit our forum at http://vredy.to (http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&j... - translated link)


uronlyhope 3 years ago

Antifreeze. Asprin.avacados.bakers chocolate. A rifle.


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kwade tweeling 3 years ago from USA Author

Thank you, Kitty. That was a great perspective on the kinds of problems our poster was facing, I'm sure.


Kitty 3 years ago

I would be shocked if I still lived in the "First World", but since emigrating to a 3d World country I can support Richard's "devil's advocate" view, given in a calm and logical way. Men refuse to have their male dogs neutered here, the locals just let whatever pups survive as long as they can avoid the cars that mow them down and can scavenge in the rubbish to eat. They have terrible mange, scabies, fleas, ticks and all the resultant diseases these parasites carry. In addition, they frequently develop a "pack attitude". Just this morning I was walking my "house dog" down the road - on a leash - and we were attacked. Again. I saved my dog, and was dragged down the road a bit resulting in strained wrist and ankle, hurt lower back & neck, and road-rash up the other leg.

Animal control is non-existant here, and there is no "humane society" in our part of the island.

I am not the person who posted the original question, but I found this conversation whilst searching the internet for the most humane poison to kill these strays. They kill & maim pets, livestock (goats, sheep, cattle) and no one will do anything about it until a child is hurt, then the local men will lay down any old poison to kill any dog walking the area, which is dangerous to our pets as they may snatch it up even when on the leash.


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Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

Where I live, people go to jail or pay a fine for abusing animals, even starving them. A bulldog attacked a child, and animal control killed it. When people talk about protecting animals, I do not think they they mean that a dog's life is more important than a child's or an adult's. A dog should not be permitted to annoy others or destroy their property. A proper exercise of good judgement is all it takes to take care of dog problems. If a dog that appears to be rabid is approaching your house, it would be proper to shoot it or call animal rescue. No animal should be allowed to threaten the safety of anyone, and no one should threaten the safety of animals when it can be avoided.


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kwade tweeling 3 years ago from USA Author

Thanks for the ideas, Levertis.

doubble2, we're talking about killing something, here. You ought to understand when you talk about killing something, people take notice and offence. From your comment, it's pretty clear you are angry and don't care about more than revenge against an animal right now. Also be aware, other people have had to deal with the same thing and did not go on a vendetta to kill the culprits. Some of us value life, even when that life is confused and hurting others because of it. We like to find a way other than snuffing out that life.


doubble2 3 years ago

I want these dogs dead .i don't care what anyone thinks.because i've been the person that has been picking up trash out of my yard,pickin up poop.had some of my other animals killed by these stray dog and these dogs even have the nerve to bark at me in my own yard.so unless you can clean up the poop or pick up the trash in my yard shuit the f--k up


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Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

The smaller animals are, the more they are disrespected. Poor mosquitoes, roaches, and ants! Who would beat an elephant or a lion with a stick? They get much respect.

A dog will not usually remain where he is not fed. Dogs also hate the smell of bleach. They do not go near it. A dog hater could place pieces of an old towel in zip-lock bags with a few holes punched below the zippers. Pour in a little bleach (approx. 2 Tbsp. each) and set them in areas where the dog may roam—near and on top of garbage cans, near doors, garage or carport, side of driveway and at gate entrances, etc. Collect packets and discard in outside trashcan. Once the stray runs, you won't likely see it again. If it is ever seen in the neighborhood again, it would likely make a point to avoid your house. Dogs remember offensive scents well.

This treatment also works well to keep critters away when it is placed in garbage after taking outside to await pickup. Pine oil works just as well. Of course, we all know that chemicals may be deadly when mixed and doing so should be avoided. Do not allow the chemicals to come in contact with skin and clothes. Always keep children away from them and your own pets fenced or inside until treatment is over. Do not fear. Animals would not dare go near bleach once they smell it. They get away from it fast!

When city animal control pick up these animals, they will likely euthanize them.


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kwade tweeling 3 years ago from USA Author

Thanks for your input. I especially like how you pointed out that we do it here behind closed doors. Out of sight, out of mind. A lot of people neglect that thought.


david 3 years ago

I stumbled across this string while searching for a solution to the stray dog problem we have. This is another situation where one person's problem may be different than another persons. Don't forget that those lovable dog catchers that are employed by the city kill the dogs too, it just happens where you can't see it.

On our farm we have at least two packs of stray dogs. They are all large breed dogs, most of which I suspect were put out because they weren't useful for fighting anymore. One of my neighbors keeps a few dogs chained all over the place; and no, the law will not do anything about it. I know for a fact they have killed at least one calf because of hunting cameras. We are rural so there isn't an organization that will assist. The forestry department recommended I shoot them but I can only ever spot them during the night. I have tried trapping them but each method will only work once; they are very intelligent.

I currently have to pen up my dogs at night because I am worried about them getting cornered and killed. I have the same worry for my small children.

The short of it is, I have to kill them in the most humane way possible. Trapping is not affective, to hunt them I need military style night vision and no day life, and to poison them will chance killing anything else that comes into contact with their dead body.

I don't have many solutions.


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kwade tweeling 3 years ago from USA Author

I agree, Empathetic one. Well said.

To play devil's advocate for a moment: Some would argue that everything effects us all, and to "move on" and do nothing, is to allow evil to flourish.

Just food for thought. I like to look at every angle I can.


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EmpatheticAdvisor 3 years ago from Montana

From an anthropological and sociological perspective, one must remember, that beliefs, customs and moral values differ across the world.

This even holds true in the US across occupations and social status.

What is offensive to some, may be the norm for that area.

Being humane is the key to any solution, whether for people or animals.

Bottom line, the diversity of the world can allow for different strokes for different folks, and if we don't like something and it does not affect us, then we are free to move on.


john 3 years ago

the govt doesn't take care of them, they neuter them and send them back into the same area, these dogs roam around in packs and attack other pets , and even bite humans . better them than me or mine


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CoffeeandJazz 3 years ago from Seattle, WA

If there is a problem with stray dogs you should call your local animal control, that is their job. Or if there is a problem with noise that is really bad, you should file a noise complaint with the police.


Mr. Safety 3 years ago

how about when people living at the back of our compound are being hawl, barked at, am sure these dogs are without vaccination. even us when we arrive home these stray dogs barked at us wildly as if we are strangers to my own home. now, tell me?


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CoffeeandJazz 3 years ago from Seattle, WA

I cannot believe someone would post that. Dogs have helped humans advance for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Yet in that time they became more than tools, they also became friends. They not only helped us in all that time, they also absorbed our emotions and became our companions. I volunteer at a local animal shelter, when a dog is in pain you can see it in its eyes, when it is happy you can just feel it as if you were with a human. To kill off something that has such human characteristics is inhumane.


arcros80 3 years ago

1 strey dog is harmless most of the time he just stays on the hunt for food but when that one dog joins 3 other streys they become a pack of killing machines when that happens I say kill them


VS 3 years ago

If local authorities can't afford to neuter dogs, killing them is an acceptable option. Prefer safety of children over survival of dogs...


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kwade tweeling 4 years ago from USA Author

Thank you, Richard, for the insight.


Richard 4 years ago

You haven't lived in a third world country where they don't feed their dogs. The dogs just go from house to house and rummage in the garbage spreading diseases everywhere. These dogs are so dirty and infested with mange, fleas, ticks, lice and other filth that they have little hair and scabs all over. On any given day, nearly 100 come by my home looking for food, their ribs clearly protruding through their skin. I can't let my own, clean, beautiful dog out of the house or she'll be infected while playing with the zombie dogs. To spay or neuter one would cost more than the average family earns in a month. I'm sure there are solutions, I just can't seem to think of any.....


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Denise Handlon 4 years ago from North Carolina

Yay for you for rallying in defense of helpless, stray dogs. I was just in conversation with my nephew about this because our dog wanders into the neighbors yard. (Mind you we rent and there are no fences dividing ANY of the yards). I explained that she needs to go out with supervision b/c the neighbor has been dumping food at the edge of his shed and it draws our pig-dog to it, (and she isn't a Chow-just a chow hound!).

I explained that some people would poison the food and the dogs that eat it would die. It is a hateful person who does that, but my previous dog died in a similar way.

Well written and good points.

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