Who Do You Trust?

Read The Results And Weep Liberals

Interesting that the George Soros backed MSNBC came in behind the "Undecided" when it comes to straight up news coverage and who the American people trust to provide their news with any credibility. They came in dead last as far as the cable news channels go so maybe Soros should throw some more loot on them hoping to buy the influence of the American public. I could run them against the Cartoon Channel and they'd be bested there too.

The shake out is as follows: FOX News - 28% with CNN a distant second at 18%. Undecided came in third at 12% with "Other" and NBC trailing the pack at 10% each. MSNBC was in the nose bleed section at 7% with ABC and CBS providing the Kleenex at 6%. C-Span wrapped up the rear with a 3% trust factor.

The poll was a telephone survey poll of one thousand people chosen at random from the Northeast, South, Midwest and West conducted by Suffolk University. Of the respondents there were 62 more women polled than men. Of those polled 39% were Democrats, 34% were Republicans, 22% were Independents and 5% were "Other." We seem to always have some people who are undecided or other in the mix. 96% of the respondents IDed themselves as likely voters in 2012.

You can find some of the other sample questions here with the results. I won't spend too much time outlining the results, but the results are in.

http://bigjournalism.com/pjsalvatore/2011/05/24/university-poll-fox-news-most-trusted-news-source/

It always has slayed me when a whiner comes on a Hub talking about Faux News. Then they rant about what Glenn Beck, Hannity or O'Reilly has been saying. I pause and then ask, "How do you know that much about what they are saying if you claim not to be watching?"

Myself, I like my news straight up and not all fluffy and warm and fuzzy. They report, I decide. You see news hounds, FOX has two divisions. The first is the hard news division and the other is the commentary division. Liberals usually seem to confuse the two. Other than Beck at 5 PM EST, the hard news division dominates until 8 PM EST when Bill O'Reilly makes his appearance followed by Sean and then Greta.

Evidently, the majority of Americans have realized which end is up with the Lame Stream Media and decided to really wrap their heads around the reality of the world and this nation. Things aren't going to well even though the Lame Stream Media wants people to think otherwise. Well, the results speak for themselves.

Good job FOX News. Keep up that level of journalism the American public deserves. If you haven't ever tuned in, check your local cable guide.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

Fox News is my favorite, too, for telling it like it is news and commentary. The other channels are a waste of time.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

The whole 7 o'clock hour last night was consumed by the tornado action out in the Midwest. Quite revetting and excellent journalism.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

In 2008, the network 'journalists' discarded all pretense of integrity and openly came out in full support of Barack Obama. They blatantly refused to vet him or investigate his background in any way.

That was the last straw, and Americans hungry for the truth, and viewpoints other than liberal, turned to FOXNews.

The frightened left is now conducting an all-out assault on FOX, with Soros-funded Media Matters, a supposed media watchdog which actually attacks only FOX, leading the charge.

Sorry, but it's too late! FOX is now the source Americans trust, and the lefist media is watched only by other leftists.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Media Matters is a joke which thinks it matters. It has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with being a progressive attack dog.


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan

I wrote a Hub about this - liberals ALWAYS confuse news COMMENTARY on Fox with NEWS REPORTING. Anything you read is "BECK LIES Fox News LIES!" When you dig deeper (which I rarely do with any liberal rant as I can't stomach it) they point to Hannity or Beck. HELLO -that's called NEWS COMMENTARY!

Thanks for writing about this again. The point needs to be hammered. Well done - voted up!!!


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Harlan Colt 5 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

When I took News Writing and Reporting in college, we were taught regarding national politics that reporters reported what they were told from the White House gang, or they lost access to information. Well, if the information is spinning like a top to begin with, what difference does it make? The difference I guess is whether you want to be a reporter with access. Those without are pretty much out of a job. Many reporters play their role to draw a paycheck and the truth is really irrelevant - just say something that sounds good.

One thing I have noticed about the news in the last 20 some years is the ever-growing tendency to editorialize news stories - and reporting. It used to be just the facts, but now the lefty commie-libs are feeling more and more obliged to try to lead you around by the nose and tell you how you should feel about the news - with carefully planted buzzwords within the story. I find it so glaringly obvious I can't stand it, it makes me sick.

I've even seen some limp-wristed liberal bias on Fox but not near as often as the other commie-lib channels.

If conservatives have all the money why don't they start their own Conservative TV network? I supposed they are afraid no one would advertise on it. And why do so many companies advertise on commie-lib stations? TV advertising is one of the worst mediums in terms of effectiveness anyway.

"I really appreciated your last TV commercial, it gave me time to use the bathroom, grab a snack and see what else is on TV without missing my show! Thanks!"

Great hub,

- Harlan


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Carol - Good to see ya. My remote doesn't know which numbers the Lame Stream Media are on. I can't watch news that is totally nonsense and spun every which way but loose.

Harlan - The networks somehow have become the news makers rather than just reporting the facts. Cronkite was a big time liberal but one would never know it. He just put the facts out there for the public to determine what was what.

The ratings are what they are and the networks are bleeding for what they have turned the news into.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Perhaps part of the problem is with the dumbing down of America. I, like many others, prefer to just hear the facts that allow me to draw my own conclusions and form my own opinions. Others seem to need the facts explained to them with the personal spin applied by the person doing the reporting. I would vote for any "spin free" news network that came along, but right now Fox News seems to be the closest to achieving this format.

The sad part is that once the lie has been told, and believed by the listeners, it is very difficult to present the truth. Perhaps we need a law wherein news people could be fined and imprisoned for spreading lies?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Poolman - Dan Rather lost his job for just that.


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

I never had cable until I retired. After trying different channels I ended up watching fox news.


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

When you conduct a poll in which half of the people (Republicans) have only 1 option (FOX News) and the other half of the people (liberals) have 5 options, it is pretty much guaranteed the result will look like it did. Doesn't really mean anything. If you gave the same poll but only had it between FOX and 1 other news source such as NPR or CNN I think FOX would lose.

Of course the poll was not a poll about news sources. You can't draw conclusions from a single question. If it had been about news coverage there would have been many more questions about news sources and there would probably have been head to head questions (e.g. which would you prefer to watch CNN or FOX?). It is interesting that conservatives are highlighting 1 question from this poll, extolling their great FOX News and completely ignoring that the same poll had Obama beating all the GOP frontrunners (several of them by 15-20 points).

There was a lot of interesting things in this poll. Unfortunately to hear all of it you have to either read it yourself or go to both liberal and conservative news sources who each only talk about half of it. I doubt FOX News will cover the Obama beating everyone questions just like the other news stations probably won't mention the FOX News coming out on top question.

For me the more interesting part is looking at the political reporters trusted the most. Here is the top 10.

Bill O'Reilly 95 FOX

Anderson Cooper 69 CNN

Mike Huckabee 48 FOX

Brian Williams 46 NBC

Sean Hannity 41 FOX

Tom Brokaw 34 NBC

Chris Matthews 33 MSNBC

Wolf Blitzer 33 CNN

Katie Couric 31 CBS

Diane Sawyer 29 ABC

It is interesting to note that the votes for the top 10 reporters breaks the stations down in the same order of preference as did the actual station question (FOX, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS), but again all that does is affirm that the conservative vote has only one place to go while the other votes are spread out over several sources.


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The Frog Princess 5 years ago from Florence area of the Great Pee Dee of South Carolina

Fox News did a great job on the reports on the weather last night. I was rather proud that they too cared enough to let us know just how bad it was. And thank God this morning that many friends and family are safe. A lost home is nothing when you lose a love one and many are missing. Thanks for this article baby.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Froggy, This contradicts my thoughts of Americans. Evidentally Americans do have a brain, why didn't they use it in 2008?

Very good job, up and useful (as usual). I've tried to watch the MSM for comparisons. It's so difficuult because I can't believe them. So sad. H


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"When you conduct a poll in which half of the people (Republicans) have only 1 option (FOX News) and the other half of the people (liberals) have 5 options, it is pretty much guaranteed the result will look like it did."

Nonsense. Conservatives and independents make up around 75% of the population, while those who identify as liberals make up only around 20%.

In any case, the question was not which outlet was watched, but which one was most trusted, and FOX won going away.

More to the point, if this poll was flawed the way you claim, the networks and CNN would all be angrily calling "foul". Instead, they are silent.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

junkseller - Try again. The poll was conducted honestly and upfront. Go back and tune into the Cartoon Channel (MSNBC) while the rest of us have an adult conversation.

Thanks for stopping by with your usual misinformation.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago

Froggy

I don't see our pal Tea Party Crasher anywhere here; he must have taken my advice and hopped aboard Hale Bopp and is on his way to see Jim Jones with the rest of his fellow Kool Aid drinkers!

Any way great job laying out the facts; all I ever watch is FOX and or sports!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

PP - Even Jim Jones had his faithful followers as Obama does. We see where that ended up.


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

Willstarr

I didn't say the poll was flawed, just that it wasn't a poll about news coverage. No thoughtful person would ever draw a meaningful conclusion from a SINGLE question. And yes the question itself is flawed, and not "conducted honestly and upfront" as Frog says, because it inexplicably leaves out NPR as a choice.

People taking the poll self identified as 39% Democrat, 34% Republican, and 22% Independent. Imagine if the question were reversed. If they asked people who their favorite politician was and the choices given were Pelosi, Romney, Palin, Huckabee, and Boehner. Pelosi would probably come out on top, not because she is America's favorite politician, but because one group was only given one choice while the other group's vote was spread out over several choices. That is a pretty basic component of proper poll design.

The other networks aren't crying foul because this WASN"T A POLL ABOUT NEWS COVERAGE. It is ignorant to use it as such.

For those of you who love FOX News and pretend you care about fair and balanced I am really curious whether FOX has mentioned any of the other 60 questions that were on this poll and whether that, as it should, matter to you? If they haven't than that obviously isn't very fair or balanced.

Frog - you are the one who only ever has insults to offer. That diminishes you, not my points.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

My advice to you junkseller is 1) grow up and 2) don't come on my Hubs talking nonsense. According to the poll js, there are many of "us" who like to get our news straight up and actually find out what is going on. Try it sometime, you might like it.

The Frog


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

I believe most polls can always be challenged to some degree. There are people who get paid big bucks to design polls with just the right questions, and wording of the questions, to obtain the desired results. In my opinion, polls are just a small indicator of the feelings and thoughts of those who took part in the poll.

junkseller - perhaps if you changed your profile slightly as to being raised by chipmunks, you might be taken a little more seriously. Input into the comment sections is usually welcome when presented in an intelligent manner.

In this case, I'm like The Frog Prince and many others. I like my news just plain vanilla and let me decide what it means.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"And yes the question itself is flawed, and not "conducted honestly and upfront" as Frog says, because it inexplicably leaves out NPR as a choice."

It listed no choices at all. This was the entire question:

"What political news source do you trust the most?"

The respondents named their own sources, like FOX. You need to read the poll itself before you spout off about how flawed it was. And again, if there was anything wrong or misleading about that poll, the network media would be raising hell about it.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Will - In fact, the Lame Stream Media will never utter a word about it because it reflects poorly on their ability to just do their job - report the news.


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

WillStarr

No, I think you are wrong. The question reads "Q58. What political news source do you trust the most? RANDOMIZE 1-7. ONE ANSWER ONLY". The randomize means read the 7 options in a different order. The 7 options given are CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN. Other and Undecided are also listed but specifically say next to them "DO NOT READ" which would seem to imply that the other options are in fact read. Maybe I'm wrong but I really don't think so.

Perhaps YOU should read the poll before spouting off about the alleged spouting of others. You don't seem to actually read what I write, but I will say again, I am not claiming the poll was flawed, simply that it was not designed, nor intended to provide any meaningful conclusion about news coverage.

The other media stations won't say anything about it for the same reason that FOX news won't talk about the other result of the poll, which was that Obama beat every single potential GOP candidate (even though that is more of what the actual poll was about). FOX news is vanilla though, right?


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

Poolman

1. The poll was not a poll designed or meant to comment upon news coverage.

2. No poll that asks a SINGLE question about an issue can even pretend to offer meaningful analysis on that given issue. This isn't an issue of good or bad design, it is that it was not designed to address news coverage AT ALL.

3. The poll contained 64 questions which offered a number of interesting results. The overwhelming and preponderant focus on a single question is not fair and balanced.

4. The omission of NPR makes no sense, considering previous polls have rated it as the most trusted news source.

These are all valid, grown-up, intelligent points, whether anyone takes it seriously has nothing to do with anything I say and everything to do with the character of people who would would rather toss out ad-hominem attacks than valid arguments.


Pat Potts 5 years ago

Watch it everyday when I am home. Fox and Friends, Glen, Bret Bauer, O'Reilly, Hannity and sometimes Greta....

Fox business too. I would rather watch Fox. I can't stomach the left wing news.


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Froggy, Is the Frog Princess really Mrs. Frog or the daughter of the Frog? Curious people want to know. H


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"No, I think you are wrong."

And I know I'm right. I watched a news program reporting on this poll and learned that the respondents were given no choices. They were simply asked:

"What political news source do you trust the most?"

Those listed were the sources the respondents named, not a multiple choice.

" I am not claiming the poll was flawed, simply that it was not designed, nor intended to provide any meaningful conclusion about news coverage."

Utter hogwash. If you were right, the networks would be screaming about this, but they are not.

"The omission of NPR makes no sense, considering previous polls have rated it as the most trusted news source."

It was not 'omitted'. The responents simply did not mention it in their reponses


Ghost32 5 years ago

My staple, pure and simple, is Fox News--which is more often than not running in the background whenever I'm at my desk. That's followed by a few of the reality shows (Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, etc.) and, late at night, a handful of animated cartoons.

The only other news show I catch more than once a month is on the network version of (you guessed it) Fox.


Alaster Packer 5 years ago

Thanks for the statistics on the major media Frog. What are your, if any, feelings on any alternative media like the Drudge Report for example?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Alaster - I fly in under the radar a lot and read extensively. Many times you can detect the truth and gain the behind the scenes data from alternative media sources. People need to delve deeply at times with this administration. Things aren't usually as "transparent" as The Anointed One wants people to believe.

As an example, I just published this:

http://hubpages.com/politics/Making-Congress-Irrel

Please take a leisurely read if you will.

The Frog


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AngelTrader 5 years ago from New Zealand

Frog I source my 'news' from as many different outlets as possible and evaluate for myself. Rather than be spoon fed the crap mainstream news is given to feed us.


34th Bomb Group 5 years ago

I will watch FOX when I want to know SOMETHING about anything going on in the Nation or the World. I refuse to watch Glenn Beck and even Hannity is rather annoying. I'd rather watch PBS.

I used to watch MSNBC to provide me with the other side of the story - but it became such a pack of lies I no longer bother. If I want anything approaching the truth (other than FOX) I watch CNN.

I STILL can't believe that no one has provided the obanana with etiquette lessons. How many times is this bozo going to get away with insulting the Queen of England? I gather she's been inculcated with "how to handle bozos" her entire life which makes it unlikely that she will ever put him in his place - but Jeez Louise - someone in British government should call him out. It's downrigtht embarrassing!!!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

34th BG - She looked at him like he was a bug. I had to chuckle. He just kept going rather than shut his pie hole. He has no class what-so-ever.


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sherrylou57 5 years ago from Riverside

I listen to the news but there is such bad stuff going on that I just turn it off!


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

All,

I miss the days of the town crier-ringing the bell-going along I could just here it now- there would be two town criers-

the liberal- "Obama kills bin Laden in Pakistan"

the GOP- "he just followed GWs lead"

Ring Ring

lib crier "Obama care bill voted on and approved in Senate "

GOP- "Obamacare Deemed into LAW"

Ring ring ring

Lib " the ecoinomy is recovered"

GOP " The unemployment is still higher than when Bush left office, how does that work"

Ring Ring

Lib" unemployment is down"

GOP" Thats because they change the way the numbers are reported and the unemployed are counted."

Rin ring ring

Sports would be funny too

crier #1"Red Sox beat the Yankees 8-3"

Crier #2"It doesnot matter this is the Cubs year..."

crier #1 "ha ha ha"

it would create jobs...

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Thanks for setting the record straight on FOX. I'm a big FOX admirer, and I hate they get smeared.

Stu


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

WillStarr

See now that is exactly what happens when you get your news from FOX News.

It is pretty obvious from the actual poll that the question is close ended - meaning the options listed where actually read to the respondents.

And if that wasn't enough, I have had that confirmed by David Paleologos, the man who runs Suffolk University's Political Research Center, which conducted the poll.

Whoever you saw in that news program (Goldberg?) was at best misinformed and at worst blatantly lying. You evidently set a pretty low bar for the news you consider acceptable. I don't.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

js - Obviously you are weeping over the results. The particular institution that wrote and conducted the poll has no affiliation with the FOX network.

Tell us how you "verified" with Paleolos. This should prove interesting.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

junkseller,

What does "close ended" mean? How is this bad, and how does this skew results?

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - What js fails to understand is the mechanics behind conducting a telephone poll, done at random. He just doesn't like the results but FOX has been the leader in reporting the news for quite some time. Sometimes the truth hurts those who don't seek it but get it anyway.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - My guess is you're right, but I thought I'd ask just for clarification. We'll see what he says.

Stu


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

Open-ended means no responses are given and the respondent is free to name anything - like question 59 was, which asked about most trusted news reporter. O'Reilly came out on top (which I actually find more interesting (and meaningful) than the news source question).

Close-ended means that there was a set number of responses read to the respondent. In this particular case the responses included CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, CSPAN and did not include NPR (which I personally think would easily beat FOX News head-to-head) or any foreign sources such as Reuters, BBC, or Al Jazeera.

I don't know why those where left out. Especially NPR makes no sense. Perhaps the pollsters where for some reason only interested in for-profit American news agencies.

Either way it doesn't really matter. The poll was not about news coverage. The news coverage question was merely tangential to the broader issue of the upcoming 2012 elections (that is what the poll was about). One question on a poll about a complex topic does not ever provide meaningful results.

The truth is that this was an interesting poll with 64 questions. FOX News has talked about one. Have you for instance heard anything about Obama beating all GOP contenders head-to-head? Or about Biden's approval rating being higher than any GOP contender? That's pretty interesting,isn't it?

The truth is that this poll was not about news coverage. It can't be used as evidence of such as FOX News has been doing.

The truth is that a set number of options were provided which FOX News lied about.

The truth is that given a question that has one option for conservatives and 5 options for liberals, that question is pre-designed to have the conservative option come out on top. Imagine for instance a question which asked people for their favorite President and the options given were Obama, Eisenhower, Bush I, Bush II, and Nixon, would there be any doubt who would come out on top? Would you consider those results meaningful, and accept that Obama is the best? No, you would appropriately decide that the question was flawed, as was the news coverage question from this poll (if it truly was meant as an over all news coverage question, and not as a selective news coverage question I mentioned before). And you would say, "what about Reagan?" just as you should say, "what about NPR?"

FOX News may in fact be the most trusted news source. I have no problem with that. Obviously a lot of people find value in their programming and I have no interest in taking that away from them. However, this poll does not show that, for the reasons I have mentioned.

Mr. Paleologos is very friendly and approachable on twitter. It takes 10 seconds of time to verify this information. Frog - you are the one talking about digging deeper. What did you mean by that - only spending 6 seconds?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

js - You're out of your league son. From what I hear Anthony Weiner is real approachable on Twitter too for those who tweet.

The poll was reported and I've read the reports. Stop you're crying and find out the channel number of FOX in your area.

Other polls easily confirm that FOX is #1 in reporting the news. 2012 is coming quickly son and your Messiah still shows his lack of leadership. So did Carter and the rest is history. Wah-wah-wah. Go back to watching the Cartoon Channel (MSNBC) while the rest of us have AN ADULT CONVERSATION.


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

Yes, I am sure David Paleologos' twitter account is a big target for hackers.

I really wish you would understand that this has nothing to do with how I FEEL. It is a simple matter of perspective and understanding what it is that you are looking at.

FOX News has the equivalent bias that MSNBC does. While I may not enjoy watching FOX News, and may not mind watching MSNBC, because the one versus the other is more in line with my own viewpoint, it doesn’t mean I can’t RECOGNIZE their bias. Because of the bias I don’t watch either one, not because of how I feel, but because I won’t be getting the truth.

If you can see bias in MSNBC but not in FOX News it is because you are uninterested in seeing it. Whether you mind it or not, you should still see it.

Their selective (and inaccurate) reporting about this poll is perfect evidence of that bias. You are the one who doesn’t seem to want to see that. I have no problem accepting that FOX News is the most trusted news source, IF there actually was evidence of that provided. The poll doesn’t do it for the REASONS I have provided that you have completely ignored. It is you, not me, who seems interested in Cartoons (and you are the one who actually knows where the Cartoon channel is. I had no idea).

If I really was a distraught liberal I would be levying equal consternation about question 59, which asked for most trusted news reporter, and had Bill O’Reilly coming out on top. That question, however, unlike the news source question was open ended. People could say anyone that they wanted. And while, I can’t stand O’Reilly, objectively I will admit that he is actually GOOD at what he does. So kudos to him.

See the difference there? Evidence not emotion. Stop projecting your own limitations on to others. You are the one who is crying and lobbing insults against what is a legitimate argument.

Oh, by the way, you have already used the “cartoon…adult conversation” line. You need some new material.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

js - I personally don't care how you feel. This Hub was posted based upon the results of a poll. The answers provided were the result of that poll. Understand?

Then along you come wanting to skew the results of a question any which way you can try to justify it. Yes, there were other questions asked. No, they aren't the subject of this poll.

I'm used to bush league tactics js. I report, you decide. Sound familiar? Now go up and look at the responses here. That tells you, or should give you a hint anyway, where thinkers go to watch the news. Not commentrary but hard news.

You seem insulted that NPR wasn't mentioned. Since NPR accepts tax payer dollars to help fund their drivel, could that possibly account for their exclusion? Go back and Tweet your supposed source and ask him that question.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

All,

Is NPR even on the air still, I thought they folded ages ago... huh O no they just became irrelavent- same ting, oh yea you would not have known they were even in business had they not been stupid and bigoted in firing Juan Williams for telling the truth.. no wonder NPR fired him". so watching NPR s not a resume enhancer for truth and openmindedness.

TH

AHTF


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

You're the one who has until now seemed terribly concerned about my feelings, being that you have so far accused me of weeping and crying and now being insulted. If you don't want to discuss it than don't project an emotional context to my position.

I unlike you understand the poll perfectly well. The poll was about the 2012 election, not news coverage. The result about news coverage was a single question. The question in itself was flawed. I have no need to try and skew anything.

What thinking exactly has been displayed. I so far am the only one who seems to have read the actual poll. I am the only one, even more so than FOX News that took the small amount of time to verify information about the poll. I am the only one who has expressed a legitimate concern about the news coverage question being poorly designed. I am the only one who seems concerned about the absence of a major news provider (and one which in the past has been ranked very well as a trusted news source). I would be equally concerned if FOX News had been left off the list.

If FOX News had been left off the list, you would have spit out your sunflower seeds in horror and said "golly, gee Ma, look hered what dem der hippie folk done did."

If you want to actually be thoughtful, than explain what else "RANDOMIZE 1-7" would mean. If you stand by the assertion that the question was open-ended than do your own work to prove it. If my arguments about the question being poorly designed are incorrect than offer an explanation as to why it isn't. Perhaps you could explain why reporting on an ideologically favorable question in a poll, and not on the other parts of the poll which are not ideologically favorable, constitutes "hard news". Perhaps you could explain how a question which leaves off a major news provider still provides meaningful results.


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

Tom Hellert,

I think NPR has a 20-30 million a week audience, one of the most listened to morning shows, and I think they have more foreign news bureaus than any of the other American news organizations. They have also in the past rated very well for being trustworthy. Their audience has been increasing and they have been around for some 40 years.

Whether you like them or not, it is simply being dishonest to say they are an insignificant organization. I don't like FOX News; I'm not arguing that they are irrelevant (obviously they aren't).


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi JS,

Thanks, now I understand what "open ended" means. I guess for tabulation purposes, some questions really need to be close ended, because too many non-listed responses may be hard to group and report on. But I agree you need to be very careful to include all the answers that are going to be high frequency.

I didn't know about the Obama and Biden polls you mentioned. At this point they are tough to analyze though, as many of the GOP primary contenders who've committed so far do not yet have national name recognition. These two polls will be much more interesting if they are conducted again after primary debates are in mid course.

Can you please explain the meaning of "The truth is that a set number of options were provided which FOX News lied about."?

Thanks, Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

js - Don't start out your comment with a ridiculous statement. Read the sub-headline and then scram son. Actually if FOX News had been left off the list I wouldn't give a damn and it wouldn't have any effect on my watching them which I would do anyway.

I like my news straight up as I have said before. You don't debate well js because you don't apply logic, just emotion, to your arguments. Oh well...

Stu - Telephone polls, by nature, are predominantly closed ended for the reason you cited. It's called classification and could get ridiculous if left wide open.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Washington Post NPR 14.1 million 2005 now its up to 20.9 million. yet with all those listeners and govt subsidy- they still run an 8 million dollar deficit-I guess their listenership is up and- thats because supposedly they are getting more info from news sources like Fox, I read that on Wsh post website...Also on NPR website People trust fox news 89% to 9% over the present white House....

So maybe NPR isnt all wrong...

TH


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junkseller 5 years ago from Michigan

@Stu,

WillStarr earlier said he saw a news report which stated that the news coverage question was open-ended. He didn't say which one but I assumed it was an exchange between O'Reilly and Bernie Goldberg in which they are talking about the poll.

However, I just went back and re-watched the clip and realized that Goldberg was in fact, correctly, talking about a different question (Q59 about news reporters) that was open-ended.

I assumed WillStarr was right. I shouldn't have. That is my mistake. While Goldberg and O'Reilly weren't terribly clear about it, my accusation of lying was unwarranted.

For atonement I think I will go watch FOX News for a couple hours today.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

js - Ah Ha! So you are glued to FOX news. Why didn't you just fess up in the first place?


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Atonement or enlightenment?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - Maybe both?


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

That's what I thought the "open ended" issue was. Actually, it didn't seem to affect the results that much, as only 10% chose "other." Thus, even though the question at issue was open ended, the compilation appears adequately complete (i.e., the top "winners" wouldn't have changed).

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - The truth can never be changed.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

froggy

tell MSNBC-CNN AND OBAMA THAT...


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tony0724 5 years ago from san diego calif

Froggy all I know is that I spend some time on the Huffington Post too for laughs and they show the ratings of the news shows and FOX consistently has 15 or so of the top 20 spots. And this poll has been done a few times and the results are still the same.CNN because of their bias and MSNBC because of their bias will always flounder at the bottom. That is not to say that FOX is not a little biased themselves. But the bottom line is it seems obvious that people trust FOX more.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tony - I read a lot from the Huff & Puff to World News Daily and everything I can between those two extremes. Yes, the polls may vary differently in the wording but the results seem to come out the same.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi JS,

Thanks for the update. Have no fear of FOX; Bill O'Reilly is definitely "lookin out for you." :)

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Definitely both. We're going to turn JS around.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

You're right. The truth can never be changed. But it sure can be hidden and misrepresented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

You read HuffPo??? Shame on you!

Stoo


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - At times I will be reading one thing and Huff & Puff will be mentioned so I will do a bit of cross referencing to check validity. I do research much of what I write.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Yeah, I guess for those purposes you have to go there. Occaisionally I'll click something in a Google search list and get a HuffPo page (I cringe as soon as I see the logo render at the top). It's amazing there's something out there that actually makes Madcow and Company look intelligent.

Stu


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KK Trainor 5 years ago from Texas

Hi Frog,

As a conservative I used to love Fox News and believe everything I heard there. But I got a little disenchanted when the morning show got so preachy about social issues, they all seem a little too perfect. So I expanded my horizons and now sortof flip through the whole range of channels/websites. That way I can make up my own mind once I've heard all the biased reports from everyone. They are all biased, you have to admit it. But at least there is one news source with a conservative bias out there, for those who don't want to have to think for themselves. Nice hub!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

KK - I read a lot more than I watch TV. The problem with the Lame Stream Media is not covering the news of the day. They only have 22 minutes of air time and that isn't enough. A lot of it is fluff when they do report it.

FOX is the most comprehensive news source up until around 8 PM EST when there commentary programs come on. The LSM lets all the under the radar stuff go by the public. Therefore a large majority of the population remians ignorant to what is NOT being done and who is not doing it.


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KK Trainor 5 years ago from Texas

Frog,

I like to make a game of it sometimes. I flip between MSNBC and FOX, and sometimes the local news shows in the morning, just to see who's saying what. The differences are amazing. We have a pretty good local ABC station surprisingly. I have actually found that sometimes CNN has the fastest reporting of breaking news on the international level, and then I go find that story somewhere online to find out the real scoop. FOX definitely makes the most effort to get all sides, but they are mocked by the liberals anyway. As far as reading is concerned I think AP and Reuters seem to put out facts for the most part, although it depends on which country you choose for Reuters.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

KK - What amazes me is that "since they don't watch FOX News" how do they know so much about what is being reported there? There closet FOX News watchers who are afraid to come out of the closet.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Frog-

No they heard it from a freind or on CNN where they rerun fox stuff to try to get ratings....

Or they listen to all the popular liberal talk shows,,,, actually I guess I really dont know

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

Good point about reading. In addition to books and magazines, I think it is essential to join some advocacy groups to get their email updates on current events, as well as visit internet news sources that are not owned by holding companies with broadcast channels. The MSM just skips anything they think the FCC won't like them reporting on.

Stu


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Kathleen Cochran 5 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

As a former newspaper reporter and editor let me just add that you are not "Fair and Balanced" or "The Most Trusted" just because you say you are. It is up to your viewers to decide. Just report as objectively as humanly possible what you think the news is on any given day. Then shut up. The public will decide what you are or are not.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Kathleen - Thanks for reinforcing what a reporter should be doing and what the media should be doing. I grew up with the likes of Chet Huntley and David Brinkley, Cronkite and many good journalists who weren't so obvious in reporting with their personal biases thrust in our faces.

Reporting the facts objectively and with all the spin is their role and they have lost their way. Just stick to the truth and the rest of it will take care of itself.

Nice to meet you Maam.

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

K N frogy,

FOX IS THE BEST NEWS AND MOST FAIR AND BALANCED- fox actually will have members of both sides on a show while CNN AND messnbc usually seem to only have one side 9LEFTY- commentators on-THAT is why they are THE most trusted news org according to recent poles DONE BY OTHERS...'I WILL ADMIT THEY DO HAVE A SLIGHT lean BUT COMPARED TO OTHER "NEWS OUTLETS TILT ON THE NEWS' IT ONLY SEEMS GREATER BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE COMPARED TO- an ant is huge compared to a flea....

TH


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

I have no problems with the results of this poll...finally, an honest assessment! WB


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Lynn Ella 5 years ago

Fox got 28%. That actually means that 72% get their news elsewhere. Just saying.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Lynn - Nice try but that wasn't the question that was posed. I'm just sayin...


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Lynn Ella 5 years ago

I trust a variety of sources including CNN, CSpan, CBS and Brett Baier's reports on Fox News.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Lynn - That's a more reasonable comment than your first one. The question asked wasn't which news program anyone watches, it was who is the one a person trusts.

I always assume that posters have thoroughly read what is presented including links when provided. That way they aren't out in left field when they hit the key board.

The Frog


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Lynn Ella 5 years ago

"Evidently, the majority of Americans have realized which end is up with the Lame Stream Media and decided to really wrap their heads around the reality of the world and this nation. Things aren't going to well even though the Lame Stream Media wants people to think otherwise. Well, the results speak for themselves."

The results are that 28% get their news from Fox. That is not a majority and that is what I was responding to.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Responding to who? Look at the categories closely next time. It isn't a majority rule situation.


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Mandrake_1975 5 years ago from Pennsylvania

If I had to choose a more balanced television news station I would choose FOX News. The rest of them try to act like conservativism is dead and such people and their points of view don't count, which is obviously completely wrong and reeks of something on the order of soviet propaganda (try to make it appear as if a small minority thinks a certain way and slowly convince people they need to change if they want to be accepted by others). Well, I don't care if I am accepted by others! I am not a follower, I am my own leader.

Now, if I could choose news other than television I would definitely not choose FOX News, nor any mainstream outlet. When I want the scoop I check alternative media, foreign news, and certain web forums known for always having the inside news before anyone else. I also tune in my shortwave radio and listen to some of the worldwide commentary as it is often about news stories that I never heard of. Then I go and check into the news stories myself and determine what I think about them.

What amazes me about many people (mostly progressives) is their extreme gullibility. They act as if news can be trusted in the first place, which anyone who knows history knows is a load of you-know-what. All anyone has to do is go back and read old newspapers (especially ones from the 19th century) and it becomes blatantly obvious that all news is used as a tool to influence the thoughts and opinions of the unsuspecting.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mandrake - Considering that only 20% of the electorate consider themselves to be liberals, the Lame Stream Media is shooting at a very small target.

Thanks for the wise observations.

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Frog,

personally for news i consult my Ouija board my spirit guides name is checkers... he was actually the nixons dog!!! he talks to all the White house pooches living and dead- he has told me that Michelle sneaks into the kitchen at night for oreo cookies and chocolate ice cream

W used to make airplane noises when eating his vanilla cake, the clinton dog use to shudder when bill and hillary got out the whip cream...Sometimes bil would ask for helpfrom the dog with hill, but the cat socks was above such behaviorI digress. oh the stories the stories...

Th


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - SSSHHHH... The troll patrol is out and they'll get ya!


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

frog,

we must watch out for he cannot be named - voltemrt Obama...Oh no we named him.

TH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - I just published my newest weekly feature titled "The Week In Review." Take a look see if you will. The trolls will be furiously hammering the "Vote Down" button I'm sure. LMAO.

http://hubpages.com/politics/The-Week-In-Review

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

FROG WAY TO CENSOR texas BETA HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME BUT ONLY WHEN HE GETS SMOKED BY facts on his HUBBS.. GOOD TO SEE IT HAPPEN to him - he is probably reporting you as unfair right now or writing up a pompus response to what you did... but that would be "the KETTLE CALLING THE POT BLACK" *stands up and claps* to the FROG king...

the goose and gander thing...

TH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - It goes like this. When a user, in this case Texasbeta, tells the writer of the Hub, in this case me, to kiss his ass then he will never read another word he says on a Hub that I write.

I play by the Hub's rules and within those guidelines, I set the rules that will be followed on my Hubs. He isn't welcome anymore due to his actions, not mine.


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wicked_lover 5 years ago from New England

Special Report with Bret Baier.

6:00 pm EST

My favorite news show and I try not to miss an evening of it.

O'Reilly ... eh. I've had my fill of him. Though I do enjoy the guests he has on and the stories he covers.

Hannity ... only in small doses.

Overall though ... FOX is my news station of choice!


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

wicked lover - That seems to be the consensus of people who want to actually receive the news and not fluff or outright distortion. O'Reilly can wear a little thin at times.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Frog-

great policy- he does not come to my hubbs because he comes to comment on mine he cant sensor my answers- so he wont have a monopoly on the conversation -

So he stays away-

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog, Wicked,

O'Reilly's format is way too dumbed down. He's a really bright guy, but it only shows in unscripted form (interviews). The problem O'Reilly has is that "tinkering" with his format is extremely dangerous. He has the highest rated op-ed segment in the CATV industry, which means he's gambling alot of money if he screws up viewership.

Stu


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Kathleen Cochran 5 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

As we complain about news sources only telling one side of an issue, let's remember, it used to be the law that any organization that used the public air ways must give equal time to both sides of an issue. That law was done away with by George Bush II. And we stood by and let it happen.


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Kathleen Cochran 5 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

I stand corrected: it was Ronald Regan who repealed it.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

ive got an idea lets- look at something odd - The uS Constitution.. The First Amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This was worked out in Colonial and Revolutionary times with the correct assumption that the government would almost never be neutral.

Freedom of Speech has always meant… Absence of Government Control.

The fairness or the PC police gestopo said I f you have one side you have to have the other ... regulating what private companies HAVE TO PUT ON THEIR nongovt run STATION- So much for Freedom of Speech THATs why it was repealed- you cannot regulate what people say or write beyond liablous (sp) although Chris Mathews and MSNBC walk that line daily..

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Kathleen,

The Fairness Doctrine became moot with the advent of cable TV. Originally, TV was an oligopoly controlled by three airwave broadcast networks. Now, with hundreds of cable channels, and a fourth major network, antitrust controls are no longer necessary.

Stu

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