Why Hitler Loved Darwinism

Darwin and Hitler, cause and effect!
Darwin and Hitler, cause and effect!
The end of the road for those doomed. In the name of Darwinism, Hitler killed off 9 million "inferior" people! But then, that was justified as "survival of the fittest"!
The end of the road for those doomed. In the name of Darwinism, Hitler killed off 9 million "inferior" people! But then, that was justified as "survival of the fittest"!
Darwin believed man evolved from an ape.
Darwin believed man evolved from an ape.

EVIL BEGETS EVIL!

Why Hitler Loved Darwinism

The Nazis were firm believers in science. German engineers are to this day some of the best in the world. America’s early rocket program was made possible because of Operation Paperclip. Nazi engineers and scientists were brought to America after the surrender of Germany and built the A bombs that were later unleashed over Japan.

Even though the Nazis were intelligent, they were also ruthless, soulless and I believe godless. They adopted Darwinism and turned it into a social program. Because Darwinism was considered science, they felt justified as they killed millions of “inferior” people. They were simply making room for an evolutionary superior race, and they felt they were doing the entire world a favor by doing so.

Germany, Darwinism Hitler and the Final Solution. Evil begets evil. Germans were taught Darwinism in schools nationwide, and not only did they embrace it, they lived it. Germans believed the Aryans were superhuman beings, the most evolved over all others and it was their duty as the “fittest” to promote the Aryans and to get rid of all the other races of the world. WW2 broke out because the Germans wanted land and resources for these evolutionary elite human beings.

Because of Darwinism Hitler saw human beings as animals and thought he could produce a super race of humans, the “fittest” humans, with breeding programs, the same way a farmer would breed livestock for the best results.

Long before Hitler sent millions of Jews to their death, he wanted to weed out everyday Germans. At the time Germany had a good number of insane asylums. Hitler emptied out the asylums and relatives often got a letter saying so and so died of natural causes. Nothing could be further from the truth. These people were executed en masse. Hitler felt this was best for Germany, these “useless eaters” had to go. Hitler felt justified because this is what “survival of the fittest” is all about. Hitler felt Darwinism justified, even called for these kind of godless and drastic measures.

At this same time, if a baby was born in Germany that was not perfect in every way, German doctors often took care of it without the parents ever knowing what happened. Again, they felt justified because they believed in Darwinism.

Pretty soon the nursing homes in Germany were getting emptied out. If you were no longer able to care for yourself, you were no longer “fit” to live. After that, even those with a small physical deformity were deemed “unfit” and put to death.

There were also “sterilization laws” where Germans with any abnormal defects were sterilized so they could not have children and pass these traits on. Only those who were “fittest” were worthy of life and reproduction, all other Germans were just out of luck. They were considered “useless eaters” and they were seen as taking food and resources from the Aryan German. They simply had to go. And they did, to the grave.

Next Hitler decided to get rid of the Jews. I am not sure that Hitler really thought the Jews were all that inferior. Jews are a very intelligent race. With Darwinism as his creed, Hitler was probably more worried the Jews would take over because intellectually they were more “fit’ than many Germans. Let us not forget that Hitler had Jewish roots, and probably knew about it, as did many high ranking Nazi officers. Obviously, if they wanted to have things their way the Nazis were going to have to remove these intellectually superior people because they could make the most trouble for them.

In the name of Darwinism Hitler killed 9 million people in concentration camps. In all, 40 million people died in WW2 at the cost of 6 trillion dollars. If the academic and scientific communities did not embrace Darwinism could all this have been avoided? The Nazis felt justified because they felt they were using sound scientific principles of the time. Hitler saw the strong killing off the weak as the natural conclusion of evolution.

This is the true face of Darwinism, it is racist and ugly and has no place in modern thinking. The Germans did not only embrace Darwinism they lived it. And just look at the results! I believe that God intervened and helped the Allies win the war. The Germans were much more technologically advanced and should have easily won, but God would not allow it.

I myself do not believe in Darwinism. There is no archaeological evidence to back it up. Man appeared out of nowhere100% human! Man has the DNA of GOD! God made man in his own image, period. Human beings are not animals, we are HUMAN. One species does not turn into another species over time, there is no evidence to support this in any way at all.

Darwinism is not just a half baked goofy theory, it can also be dangerous when it falls into the wrong hands. DNA proves we all evolved from one female. If that does not back up the Bible, nothing else does. I believe new advances in DNA will prove just how human we really are and how far off the mark Darwinism is.

You can read other hubs with a Christian perspective, here are the links.

My friend Highvoltagewriter wrote two excellent, thought provoking hubs on evolution.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Evolution-of-Evolution and http://hubpages.com/hub/Adolph-Hitler-Creationlist-or-Darwinest

And James Watkins also wrote a great hub on Darwinism.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Darwin-and-Evolution

 New book by Discovery Institute
Fellow shows influence of
Darwinian principles on
Hitler's Nazi regime

Discovery Institute is pleased to announce the publication of the provocative intellectual history, "From Darwin to Hitler, Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics and Racism in Germany" (Palgrave MacMillan), by Richard Weikart.

In this compelling and painstakingly researched work of intellectual history, Weikart convincingly makes the argument that Hitler built his view of ethics on Darwinian principles.

"Richard Weikart's outstanding book shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society," says Dr. Richard Evans, Professor of Modern History, University of Cambridge, and author of "The Coming of the Third Reich." "This provided Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued once they came to power."

Weikart explains the revolutionary impact Darwinism had on ethics and morality. He demonstrates that many leading Darwinian biologists and social thinkers in Germany believed that Darwinism overturned traditional Judeo-Christian and Enlightenment ethics, especially those pertaining to the sacredness of human life. Many of these thinkers supported moral relativism, yet simultaneously exalted evolutionary "fitness" (especially in terms of intelligence and health) as the highest arbiter of morality. Weikart concludes that Darwinism played a key role not only in the rise of eugenics, but also in euthanasia, infanticide, abortion, and racial extermination, all ultimately embraced by the Nazis.

"From Darwin to Hitler" is a challenging yet balanced work that should encourage a rethinking of the historical impact that Darwinism had on the course of events in the twentieth century.

Richard Weikart earned his Ph.D. in Modern European History from the University of Iowa and is an Assoc. Professor at California State University, Stanislaus focusing on German and European intellectual history. He was a Fullbright Fellowship participant in 1992-93, doing research at the University of Bonn, Germany. His articles have appeared in numerous journals and publications including: German Studies Review, Journal of the History of Ideas, Books and Culture, The History of Science and Religion in the Western Tradition: An Encyclopedia, and the Encyclopedia of Science and Religion.

What Others Say About Hitler and Darwinism

 

Hitler used Evolutionary Theory to Justify the Holocaust

Darwin's idea that evolution means "the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life" eventually led to Nazism and the Jewish holocaust - even though Darwin himself would have been appalled at the thought."19

Sir Arthur Keith wrote: "The leader of Germany is an evolutionist, not only in theory, but, as millions know to their cost, in the rigor of its practice. For him, the 'national front' of Europe is also the 'evolutionary front;' he regards himself, and is regarded, as the incarnation of the will of Germany, the purpose of that will being to guide the evolutionary destiny of its people."59 and "Christianity makes no distinction of race or of color; it seeks to break down all racial barriers. In this respect the hand of Christianity is against that of Nature, for are not the races of mankind the evolutionary harvest which Nature has toiled through long ages to produce?"19

In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting ization." He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of s." In his chapter entitled "Nation and Race," he said, "The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable." A few pages later, he said, "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."59

The success in breeding cattle, dogs and other animals with certain desired characteristics gave empirical support to the concept of racial breeding as advocated by eugenicists and later Hitler and others.19

Hitler exterminated over 273,000 people even before the Holocaust! "The first to be killed were the aged [those who are an economic burden, who detract from the happiness of society as a whole], the infirm, the senile, the mentally retarded, and defective children [that included epileptics]. Then there were WW I veterans - amputees - still in hospitals. Their reward for giving an arm or leg for Germany was extermination as 'undesirable.' Even bed wetters and children with badly modeled ears were put to death - all part of the euthanasia project of Germany."33

Instead of letting chance factors dominate reproduction decisions, Hitler proposed that the scientists use the power of the state to influence these decisions so that the gene pool would shift to what "informed conclusions" concluded was the desired direction. Consequently, Hitler encouraged those individuals that he perceived as having Aryan traits to mate, and discouraged "interbreeding," supposing that this policy would gradually cause the Aryan race to evolve "upward". He believed that the Nazi race programs would further evolution by intelligently deciding which traits were not beneficial, and preventing those with them from reproducing.19

An important argument that Hitler used to support his programs of racial genocide of the Jews, Blacks and other groups was that they were genetically "inferior" and that their interbreeding with the superior Aryan race would adversely affect the latter's gene pool, polluting it, and lowering the overall quality of the "pure race."19

"From the ‘Preservation of favored races in the struggle for life' [that is, Darwin 's subtitle to Origin of Species] it was a short step to the preservation of favored individuals, classes or nations - and from their preservation to their glorification . . . Thus, it has become a portmunteau of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, and dictatorship, of the cults of the hero, the superman, and the master race . . . recent expressions of this philosophy, such as Mein Kampf are, unhappily, too familiar to require exposition here." - Gertrude Himmelfarb, Social Darwinism in American Thought, 196219

More on Hitler and Darwin

Hitler's Debt to Darwin

Time magazine and Variety have published the latest attack reviews of Expelled, in advance of opening day this Friday. As with previous hostile responses, the focus of outrage is on the film's argument that Hitler drew inspiration from Darwin's intellectual legacy.

In Time, reviewer Jeffrey Kluger fumes: "Theories of natural selection, it's claimed, were a necessary if not sufficient condition for Hitler's killing machine to get started. The truth, of course, is that the only necessary and sufficient condition for human beings to murder one another is the simple fact of being human."

As more attacks come in, making either this bewilderingly inane point -- or the one made by Scientific American editor-in-chief John Rennie that the role of Christianity in fomenting Nazism should have been discussed in the film -- just keep in mind the response to recent books that have put blame for the Holocaust on the churches.

Those books, by writers like John Carrroll (Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews) and Daniel Jonah Goldhagen (A Moral Reckoning: The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair), were hailed in media as works of genius, guts, and honesty. I don't recall any reviewers complaining that, really, the only thing you have to know about the Nazis was that they were people, and, hey, people kill people!

Fortunately, serious historians of the past half century have been freer than media hacks to explore the complexity of Nazism's actual genealogy. One thing that these expert scholars have almost universally agreed on is that Darwinism contributed mightily to Hitlerism.

In her classic 1951 work The Origins of Totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt wrote: "Underlying the Nazis' belief in race laws as the expression of the law of nature in man, is Darwin's idea of man as the product of a natural development which does not necessarily stop with the present species of human being."

Or just pick up any standard biography of Hitler.

In Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, Alan Bullock writes: "The basis of Hitler's political beliefs was a crude Darwinism." What Hitler found objectionable about Christianity was its rejection of the conclusions that followed from Darwin's theory: "Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Joachim C. Fest, in Hitler, describes how the Nazi tyrant "extract[ed] the elements of his world view" from various influences including "popular treatments of Darwinism." Hitler, like lots of other Europeans and Americans of his day, saw Darwinism as offering a total picture of social reality. In his biography, Hitler: 1889-1936: Hubris, Ian Kershaw explains that "crude social-Darwinism" gave Hitler "his entire political 'world-view.'"

John Toland's Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography, finally, says this of Hitler's "Second Book" (1928), never published in his lifetime: "An essential of Hitler's conclusions in this book was the conviction drawn from Darwin that might makes right."

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Comments 95 comments

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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

IAs I understand evolution it holds that humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. I am not sure if "Darwinism" is necessarily the same thing. Unfortunately I fear there is a tendency to do some of the things again in the name of population control.


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

Funny how both poll options are actually inaccurate.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Please Simeonvisser, tell us why you feel the poll options are incorrect. I would like to know your opinion. Thanks for leaving a comment, I appreciate all comments, even if they do not agree with me.

Dahoglund, thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.


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North Wind 5 years ago from The World (for now)

You have written this hub well.I have read that Hitler fully embraced Darwinism and that the book The Origin of Species was a well-circulated book in Germany at that time.It was almost a type of bible to the Nazis. Having recently watched the movie The Mortal Storm starring James Stewart, I cannot see how one cannot see what a belief in Darwin's theories could lead to.


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drpastorcarlotta 5 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

I agree with you magnoliazz, I myself do not believe in Darwinism. Well written Hub! I was surprise to see when I went to vote, that there were many votes for darwinism I voted-up on your Hub!! When you get a chance come visit me. God Bless you!!!


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

"Man appeared out of nowhere100% human!"

Really? I thought man was made from dust according to the bible. Yes, it says so, right there in Genesis.

Yes, your poll answers are incorrect. Evolution (not Darwinism which is a very incorrect term) is most definitely a scientific theory. Evolution does not mean we are evolved from apes, you have misinterpreted the theory like every other religionist in the world, including Hitler.


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

The first poll option says that evolution is totally false (which is not true) and the second poll option says that man evolved from apes (which is not claimed by the theory of evolution).


dreamreachout 5 years ago

Inspite of what our believe maybe, we cant be cruel to human beings and that is the basis on which mankind evolved. Hitler and his ways failed him because he didn't believe or follow that basic principle.

Magzz, this is a wonderful hub from you!! Happy Christmas to you in advance and remember that I am coming for the turkey .. Lol!!

Cheers!!


Baileybear 5 years ago

Sadly, this hub is extremely biased without accurate information. Saying that Darwin is to blame for mass murder by Hitler is like saying that the person who invented electricity is to blame for those that make equipment to torture and kill people/animals - it's irrational.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that Hitler loved Darwin & his theory evolution? There are plenty of quotes of Hitler saying he was acting on God's behalf. Also many churches supported him. Plenty of christians have supported slavery using the bible as 'justification.'

It is clear that you do not know anything truthful about Darwin and his theory of evolution, or you would have not called him racist, or misinterpreted the phrase 'survival of the fittest' (which in biology refers to best fit to environment, NOT the most powerful).

Also, how can an invisible supernatural being have DNA?


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Nuts! The perfect four letter word to describe this hub. Sorry but its the truth.

simeonvisser sums up my views rather succinctly. It is impossible to answer questions that really do not make sense.

Baileybear is right in saying 'survival of the fittest' does get misinterpreted a lot and that you have done a great job of misinterpretation.

Did Hitler even know about the writing of Charles Darwin? If he did can Darwin be held responsible for the misreadings and bad intentions of someone like Hitler? Hitler was pals for a while there with a certain Austrian who became pope. Does this make that pope also responsible for Hitler's actions? Hitler was much more into mysticism and religion than science.

I am afraid you made more sense when you were playing around in James' hub. There you at least twisted real science to fit creationist notions.


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

This hub is basically the Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy, look it up online if you will.


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viking305 5 years ago from Ireland

Very interesting hub to read. I do not agree with the ideas here but we are all allowed to have our opinions in a free society.

Well done on a thought provoking article


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Calling the scientific theory of evolution - "Darwinsim" is like calling the Christian religion - "Jesusism".


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

North Wind, thank you for your kind comment, obviously you are well read and know something about Nazi Germany.

Dr Pastor Carlotta, thank you for your comments and support. I will be stopping by soon.

Dreamreachout, thank you for always supporting me, that turkey is ready! LOL


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

BaileyBear~ You need to do some research about Darwinism and Nazi Germany. I know the Nazi mind well as I had firsthand knowledge of it. After WW2 my family sponsored several German families so they were able to escape post war Germany and have a decent life in America. I can tell you honestly that these people believed in Darwinism, and the Nazis used the idea of evolution to promote the idea of a super race. On the other hand they were also deeply religious, Catholic for the most part, but even so, they still believed in evolution. Many believed the "lower races" evolved over time from apes, however the Aryans were created by God! They took what they wanted from science and the church and bent it into whatever suited them! My grandfather and I often discussed how these Germans were totally brianwashed by Darwinism.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Well, well Miss Austinstar and Simeonvisser, I guess I am a bit confused here, take a look at the cover of Origin of Species, it looks to me like an ape evolves into a human being. I have no idea what your meaning of "evolution" is, but I can tell you an ape evolving into a human pretty much sums it up to me.

Enlighten the rest of us please!

Rod- you ask "Did Hitler even know about Darwinism?" Are you kidding? Read my reply to Bailey Bear please, it goes for you too.

I know what "survival of the fittest means" and I also know what the Nazis twisted that meaning into. That is the whole point of this hub.

One other thing, because God is a supernatural being, he can certainly create his own DNA.

Viking305, thank you for your comment, and even though we do not agree with each other I respect your opinion.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

And just to clarify, but I don't think i should have to...

When I talk about evolution, I mean one species turning into another species, Darwinism....or at least the cover of his book!

I do NOT mean, mutations within a species, which is also called evolution. And even though this kind of thing happens, even with bacteri, over thousands of generations...it never once morphed into something else, like a virus.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Magnoliazz - I would suggest that you read this hub - http://hubpages.com/politics/A-short-description-o...

then get your terms, fact, and grammar correct. Then you should do a bit more research on your premise. Then you should rewrite your hub to gain more accuracy and credibility. Or would this be too much trouble for you?

Your photo of half Darwin | half Hitler is just a joke. Anyone can do that with photoshop and it certainly proves nothing.

Also, since you know so much about mutations within a species, you should be able to prove that NO bacteria has EVER morphed into a virus. Well, now, you CAN'T prove that, can you?

To use your own words, if God can create his own DNA, then I guess he should be able to create trans-species evolution if he so desired. Or are you like the others and "know" what God thinks and doesn't think?

Really, get your facts straight and stop presenting opinions on things without at least having the proper axioms to back them up.


Baileybear 5 years ago

Magnoliazz - your photo of Darwin morphing into Hitler is highly offensive. I have read several biographies of Darwin, and he is nothing like Hitler - I am currently writing some hubs about him.

How would you like a morphed photo of Jesus and Hitler?(after all Jesus is supposed to be God). Darwin never murdered any humans or recommended the murder of any humans - he was explaining how life worked naturally. We can't say the same about the God in the bible. Hitler could have been following the bible very closely to get his ideas about a 'chosen' race.

This excuse of "just animals" is rubbish - humans think they are so superior. Animals have feelings etc and don't murder their own kind as much as humans have over history, even before Hilter and Darwin's times.

I agree with Austinstar - research your facts properly and gain some credibility. It's so sad when people perpetrate these myths in the name of their religion.


Baileybear 5 years ago

By your own admission, you know nothing about the theory of evolution, and drew an incorrect conclusion from a cover of a book, and no doubt you have been told by people you trust that Darwin/evolution is evil.

I happen to know a lot about christianity, having been indoctrinated in it as a child - now THAT was brainwashing.

"God can create his own DNA" - why would God even need DNA? Obviously you know zilch about biology. Perhaps you should do some proper research before writing such ignorant nonsense.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

The term "social Darwinism" would be more accurate for your description of Hitler's ideology. It is a sad historical lesson that Hitler tried to create a "super race" or "super men and women," but it might be important to realize the creation of the cartoon hero, Superman, was a slap at Hitler's foolish ideology. A good example of social-Darwinism can be witnessed by reality shows like Survivor, Biggest Loser and sadly, and most unbecomingly, Bridalplasty. These are examples of "survival of the fittest, or wittiest, or ruthless."

As for evolution, apes did not morph into humans--there is a distinct separation of the lines of development where apes were the result of one line and humans the other.

If one must discuss creationist theories, a creator may well have been fiddling with the final product and used similar "technologies" constructing animals and man.

Perhaps the largest mistake in history has been the misinterpretation of Darwin's theories, but there have been far more misinterpretations of biblical literature that have caused far more damage to the human species.

Anti-semitism is based in biblical misinterpretation and even faiths have spurned the Jews with pogroms, hate, murder and, of course, the holocaust.

Hitler was a failed artist and architect, not a scientist, and to place his hatred of the weak solely on Darwin is to be historically inaccurate.

Hitler loved mysticism, the occult and the Catholic faith. These people worked with him. Even America had anti-semitic tendencies remonstrated by camps for Jews in America. Of course, America's social experiment hasn't been perfect for Africans, Asians, Irish, English, Vietnamese or a number of different ethnic cultures, has it?


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

Finally, as a person of German ancestry, I do find this hub somewhat racist. To claim that the social programs which began to rebuild Germany at a time when the victors of WWI placed the German nation under such difficulty that people were starving on Darwin is ludicrous. Building roads and creating some sort of national pride through work programs and providing people with some sort of hope is what caused the early sparks of what became the insane policies of Nazism. However, the dreams of power brought on through powers given to Hitler by an ever-weakening democracy in Germany and loss of control in the socialist party that grew to become this madness called Aryanism is a lesson we should all learn from history. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely and unless we have checks and balances in place to watch for mad megalomaniacs and crazed, religious absolutists--no one can be safe.

Hitler was not German. He was Austrian, and likely had some Jewish ancestry, so for him to be building a "super race" out of Germans was twisted to say the least. Shouldn't he have been leading the Austrian nation?

It was the very accepting ways of Germany that created multi-culturalism in the European engine, as can be seen even today after the fall of communist Russia.

As for blue eyes and blonde hair--these are recessive results in the world of genetics. Darker skin, hair and eyes are dominant genes which makes Hitler's dream even more ridiculous on a genetic level.

At any rate, blaming ideas for mass murders and wars is one thing--but not having the proper evidence in creating these statements is simply propaganda production.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

AKA Winston, read about mtDNA.

In the field of human genetics, Mitochondrial Eve refers to the most recent common matrilineal ancestor from whom all living humans are descended. Passed down from mother to offspring, all mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in every living person is directly descended from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived thousands of years apart.

Mitochondrial Eve is generally estimated to have lived around 200,000 years ago,[2] most likely in East Africa.

DNA is backing up the Bible over and over again, but of course atheists don't want to hear it. Yes, now every human on earth can now trace their DNA back to one woman.

Randslam, you make some good points, I don't agree with you 100%, but your intelligence comes shining through in your comments here. For all you others who think you are such intellectuals, you would do well to read what someone with a real brain has to say.

Ms Austinstar, you want to come off as this great intellectual, honey you have a way to go! And go and double check your own grammer!

BaileyBear, I read the Origin of Species all on my own, several times thank you and it is total nonesense! Obviously, the cover of that book reflects what the book is about! Or is that an entirely new idea to you and Austinstar too? Do publishers actually put something on the cover that may be relevant to what is inside the book? What a new idea! Amazing!


AKA Winston 5 years ago

Magnoliazz,

Your understanding of Mitochodrial Eve explains why Kevin Klein should not read Nitschke. (A Fish Called Wanda)


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

@magnoliazz: Judging a book by its cover is highly shortsighted. In fact, the original work of Charles Darwin simply had a title page and no image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Origin_of_Specie...

The image that you are talking about does not accurately represent the theory of evolution. I find it baffling that you are willing to defend your viewpoint by pointing to an image on the cover. Anyone with basic understanding of the book's contents would not draw the conclusion that man evolved from apes. The correct conclusion is that they share a common ancestor.


AKA Winston 5 years ago

Make that Nietzsche. :-))


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Magnoliazz - you must be the original dumb blonde. You know, the one the jokes are all about. If it was just me trying to correct you, I'd be insulted. But almost every commenter on this hub is trying to tell you that you have inaccurate facts and premises and ZERO axioms to support your opinions.

You even misspelled the word grammar....


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A M Werner 5 years ago from West Allis

Magnoliazz, don't be discouraged - I loved the hub. The truth never sits well with many who have their minds steeped in science. Hitler had many many admirers in America before WWII, many who believed he was beating America to the punch, that America should have been implementing the policies he was imposing. In fact, the cattle breeders were one of the organizations who respected and wanted to imitate Hitler. Darwin's ideas of race and evolution are ugly and should not even be taught as a science - it is a religion. And the answer to the quiz is perfect. There is "NO PROOF" of species evolution, thus making it a religious faith, not a science. Peace


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

"The truth never sits well with many who have their minds steeped in science."

For religious people, it is - of course - far easier to forget all principles of good research and label the truth to be exactly those things that you wish to believe.


dreamreachout 5 years ago

Magzz, dont get disheartend by some of the comments of the commentators here. Your point is well placed here and we readers have to intrepret your view properly!! Kudos for the great hub!!

Cheers!!


Baileybear 5 years ago

You said: "Mitochondrial Eve is generally estimated to have lived around 200,000 years ago,[2] most likely in East Africa....they ('Adam' & 'Eve') they lived thousands of years apart."

DNA is backing up the Bible over and over again, but of course atheists don't want to hear it. Yes, now every human on earth can now trace their DNA back to one woman."

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Adam & Eve according to the bible existed together, not thousands of years apart, only 6000 years ago, not a few hundred thousand years ago, in the Middle East, not Africa.

Mitochondrial 'Eve' & Y-Chromosomal 'Adam' are deep branches of continuous females and males, not the first man and woman. This evidence supports evolution, along with fossil evidence that humans originated in Africa, much longer ago that the bible says.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Magnoliazz, you said yourself that the Nazis twisted the meaning of survival of the fittest. This means to me that the Nazis had their own agenda that had nothing to do with real science.

I don't doubt that the Nazis and Hitler were aware of Social Darwinism but Social Darwinism is not solidly based on Darwin's writing and I doubt very much if Darwin would have approved of Hitler and the Nazis. Darwin was for life and the understanding of how the various forms of life came about. He was no for destruction.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

AustinStar-. Congratulations, you found a typo, what a SMART GIRL you are! Lets give you a big pat on the back! I bet that made your day, maybe even your entire month!

Simeonvisser- You cannot even understand a simple book cover and yet you want to get into an intelligent argument about evolution? LOL, give me a break!

AKA Winston- You are another one that can not offer an intelligent argument!

BaileyBear Have you ever cracked a book on mtDNA? I am betting not, you don’t understand the concept of mtDNA and why mitochondrial Adam and Eve would appear thousands of years apart.

Rod Marson- I somewhat agree with your last comment. It is not Darwin’s fault that the Nazis took his idea and bent them to their own sick ideals and ideas. As I have stated in the comment section before, I have a unique insight on this subject as my family sponsored several German families after WW2. These people believed the “lower races” evolved from apes, but the Aryans were created by God. They were brainwashed, and they had to go along with any ideas that came along or they would end up in a concentration camp also. I believe when we stray from Biblical principles we are asking for trouble. Darwinism made many people question the existence of God. Darwinism, or people’s belief of what Darwinism was and is made man nothing more than a “naked ape” an animal. If some people look at other people as animals, that is dangerous, and Nazi Germany is a good example of that.

A M Warner- Thank you so much for supporting me and leaving such an insightful comment. You are right, I still know some old timers who thought Hitler was a good man! Lots of these people on the comment sections are questioning that Darwinism was not a factor in the Holocaust, when indeed it was, perhaps not the only factor, but a part of it. I think you are right also in thinking that Darwinism is a religion, look how fanatical people become about it. God Bless You AM Warner!

Dreamreachout- Thank you for being my buddy through thick and thin. XOXOX


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J D Murrah 5 years ago from Refugee from Shoreacres, Texas

magnolia lizz,

I enjoyed your hub. It took courage to write something like this. Many people do not want such items to be discussed or brought into the light.

The surprising thing is that the same Darwin mindset (better living through better breeding) was also embraced by Margret Sanger here in America. This is the same Margaret Sanger cherished by Planned Parenthood and Hilary Clinton. Hilary went on to say that Margret Sanger's work is 'not done'.

It is not a surprise that Sanger shared many ideas in common with the KKK and even spoke at one of their meetings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fj-E-Yk78M . Although Sanger and the KKK shared many views, Hilary Clinton and Planned Parenthood are quiet on that matter. Sanger regarded some races as 'human weeds'. Here is a page full of Sanger quotes (http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm). She was as evil as Hitler, but few realized her connections with Darwin inspired ideas as well. Her quote "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." makes her position very clear.


Baileybear 5 years ago

Magnoliazz, yes, I do understand about mtDNA. It wasn't mitochondrial Adam by the way. I have a bachelor's degree in science which included the study of genetics. Your comments on mtDNA support evolution.

Your tone seems sarcastic - did I hit a nerve?

My grandmother was German. She didn't agree with Hitler at all. What is so despicable about humans being animals - unless you despise animals?

I have written hubs about evolution and Darwin, giving an accurate view, not my personal bias.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Magnoliazz, we are all, in fact, animals. We are all naked apes. This is not a bad thing. We have, however, been put in a unique position because of our superior thought processes. We need to care for the other animals and the environment or face destruction of our own making.


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

"You cannot even understand a simple book cover and yet you want to get into an intelligent argument about evolution? LOL, give me a break!"

I think you're not even capable of writing a hub that correctly describes how evolution works. I do think I understand the theory of evolution better than you do. I also think my ability to have an intelligent argument is better than yours. You, however, want to turn the discussion in a direction I do not want to take it and I'll keep the honor to myself. As a final note: you did not respond at all to what I said about the book cover.


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simeonvisser 5 years ago

By the way, that is not an insult: if evolution is indeed so terribly wrong, why not write a hub that exactly tells us why? If you know better, what is stopping you from also explaining us why it is false? I could point to countless resources that explain why it is considered to be true but somehow I don't think you're interested in that.


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2besure 5 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

He found a theory to justify his own beliefs. The only thing I can not understand is how he could hate Jews when he was half Jewish himself. Really he hated himself.


dreamreachout 5 years ago

Magzz, this is a very courageous hub and you deserve all the accolades for that!! Cheers!!


Baileybear 5 years ago

One final comment, as obviously you don't appreciate my comments, JD said about KKK. KKK call themselves christians (if you don't believe me check their website), and if you check an accurate account of christianity, they arose out of christianity. Hitler also had religious & christian ideals. Don't believe everything your religion tells you, like I did for years.

I have written a hub that I researched thoroughly about what Darwin was really like. He most definitely was nothing like Hitler & you haven't even got a basic grasp of what evolution is, so how can you attack something you don't understand. (I can comment on christianity, having spent half my life indoctrinated)


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

JD Murrah- JD Murrah Thank you for your insightful comment. Eugenics started in America. At one time America also had sterilization laws too. I didn’t know that Sanger was also influenced by Darwin, but it does makes perfect sense and if she called some people “weed races” that is a dead giveaway that she was into Darwinism. Thanks to Planned Parenthood there are now millions of abortions every year in America. One day this country will have to answer to God for that.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Miss AustinStar- If you really save lives, great, but you sure do not fit that profile. I work in the medical field where I see lives saved everyday, and not once have I heard anyone bragging about all the lives they save. Its their job to save lives, thats what they do, with the help of God of course!

Your last comment will not be shown here as it was OBSENCE! Hitler was the most evil man the world has ever seen. There is zero excuse for what he did to the Jews. What I wanted to point out in this hub was that the ideas of the day, one of which was Darwinism, influenced Hitler. You don’t just wake up one day and say I am going to kill 9 million people for the hell of it! Just sit there and think for one minute what that entailed. And as I stated here before, I actually knew and talked to people from Nazi Germany who believed in Darwin. They believed the “lower races” evolved from apes, but the Aryans were created by God. If you really are a scientist like you claim you are, you would have been interested in the mindset of the German people and what lead them to such atrocious crimes. Instead you want everyone to know how intelligent you are! A truly intelligent person, and I know many, will tell you there is always something new to learn.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

BaileyBear- Of course not all Germans believed in Darwinism, but those involved with the Nazis used Darwin’s theories to bring about the Final Solution. As I stated here before, my family sponsored several German families after WW2. They thought Darwin was a great man and had good ideas. As I said to AustinStar, you just don’t wake up one day and say you are going to kill 9 million people. The Nazi party had to come up with something that made sense to the German people and that was Darwinism.

And Bailey Bear, your are 100% right about the KKK too, they were a Christian group. Personally, I don’t like religion at all, because it brainwashes and controls people, but that does not mean I do not believe in God. Much in religion is wrong, but God is not. Its best just to read the Bible and make up your own mind. As a nurse I have seen supernatural healing that only God could do, things that are simply unbelievable, I have yet to meet a doctor or nurse who says that God does not exist.

And, I love animals! I have a farm full of animals, just about every stray in the county finds there way to my back door. Unfortunately, not all people love animals like you and I do. Once we start saying that humans are animals, that is opening up doors for abuse. People think nothing of shooting a cat, and if in their mind a human is nothing more than an animal, maybe they would think nothing of killing that person.

I know that you are a good person and your mind does not work that way, but there are plenty of people who abuse animals all the time, which should be a federal crime.

All life is created by God and is sacred and no one has the right to take away life other than God.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Simeonvisser- there is no proof at all that one species turns into another. There is no archaeological evidence!

And, i don't see your explantion of the book cover in any of the comments, maybe it didn't come through.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

2besure-

Thank you for sticking to what this hub is about. Hitler and other high ranking Nazis had Jewish blood and probably knew it. I don't think they really hated the Jews, they just wanted what they had. The Jews had more wealth than anyone else in Germany and the Nazis wanted it.

Also, Hitler sure didn't look like an Aryan to me. Just take a look at the high ranking Nazis, they sure did not look Aryan either. Most Germans I know do not look Aryan. Of course, most are very blond as babies and children, but when they get older their hair gets darker. Very few stay blond as adults.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hi there Rod Mardson, you are right about the environment. We have to find new energy sources, we must learn to work with nature, not against it.

Rod, I love animals, and I treat them like humans. Once a week all my dogs on the farm get a Mc Double from Mc Donalds, and of course some people just can't believe that I do that, but it makes me happy.

The problem is, that many people abuse animals, they don't love them like you and I do. And if a human being is the same as an animal in their eyes, that human can end up abused in some way.

I guess I think about the days of slavery in the South, and how the southerns actually believed the blacks were animals. Old people would take a beautiful black baby and warm their old feet on that child....because they believed that baby was an animal.

I just think it is dangerous to think of humans as animals, as history shows, that kind of thinking can lead to abuse.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

magnoliazz, if we are all animals without exception and we all agree that all animals have rights, even the ones who cannot speak in their own defense, then I think we can make some progress. Naturalists view the world this way and it isn't a bad way of seeing the world. The RSPCA in England and Australia was founded on the belief that all creatures great and small deserve respect and a shot at a good life lived well. This is more in line with what Darwin had in mind and has nothing to do with what Hitler did or with slavery of fellow humans. There is even a hymn sung in many Churches referring to God's love for all creatures.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you Randslam for your last comment. You make some very interesting points, and I agree with you about religious educators, I think they turn alot of people away from God. I believe in God, but they can keep religion.

You are also right about the church being wrong about some things too. Of course science has been wrong in the past, look what they said about Einstein and his theory of relativity.

Not once has archaeological evidence been found that proves one species morphs into another. And not one person in the comment section was able to tell me this evidence was found.

Because of Darwinism, a lot of people have lost their faith in God, thinking there is no God, to me that is the upsetting thing here.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello again Rod, its good to know about these wonderful animal rights groups in other countries.

Unlike human beings, animals are not capable of evil. Without animals mankind would have not been able to survive and we need to protect and honor them.

Thank you for your comment and I am happy we are finding some common ground.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

Wow! I just thought I pop by and see what you have been up to, and I see you have stirred up quite a large hornets nest with this hub! I am not going to get in to the middle of this one untel I reread the hub. However, I will point out that Darwin was a Christine who was deeply perplexed by some of his findings.

Another point is that Hitler also belived in Atlantis, and that was the roots of his obsession with finding the roots of the Arien race! I had never heard of the connection with Darwinism and Hitler before and yet did you know that the Swastika was a Navajo symbol before it was corrupted by Hitler as his pals? I will be back to read your hub one more time before I make any other comments...by the way I think you might be intrested in some of my latest hubs as well, for they also will stir up a hornets nest or two!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

Okay I am back after doing some research I have decided to write TWO hubs that have been derectly influnanced by this here hub!(You should be proud) One will about Darwin called "The Evolution of Evolution" in which I will explore how Darwin came to his conclusion and if he recanted his belief in evolution at the end of his life. (As some think).

I also plan to write one I will call "Adolph Hitler, Creationest or Social Darwinist?" Stay tuned, it sould be fun!


SirDent 5 years ago

I can't really say that Hitler actually believed in Darwinism. I do recall reading a few days ago that he was anti-semitic. At the age of 16, I think it was, he developed a passionate hatred for Jews, even though he did have to deal with them a lot.

He was born in Austria as someone pointed out in the comments. By his actions, we can see that he genuinely hated people, especially those who were poor. I can see it easy to believe that he believed in natural selction, but the truth of it is that he was simply a purely evil man full of hate and didn't care to murder for personal gain. Nothing was natural about his selctions of who to kill.

I also know that he was friends with a woman by the name of Margaret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood. She wanted to sterilize certain people in the US, mostly blacks who were of low IQ, or in poverty.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

How about a hub titled Hitler - the man who would be God.

Hitler's family doctor was a Jew so I suppose he had to deal with Jews at an early age.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

HighVoltagewriter- I am honored that I inspired you to write more hubs about Darwin. It should be interesting. Thanks for stopping by, I always look forward to your comments. I will get over to your new hubs as soon as I can.

Sir Dent- Thank you for your interesting comment. I had no idea that Hitler and Sanger were buddies, but it makes sense, they both believed in the same principles.

Rod, thanks for you last comment, it is an interesting idea.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

I should have the one on Hitler published soon maybe even today!(Got to keep stirring them hornets)! Thanks for the kind words you wrote on my last Christmas and demons hub. By correct myself..Darwin WAS a Christine early in his life, and it seem he like alot of people have had a bad taste for religon towards the end of his life!


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

HI Highvoltagewriter!

I almost took this hub down because it was too negative. Of course, this is Satan at work too, he wants to make sure that Darwinism pollutes the minds of the unwary. I hate Darwinism because many people stopped believing in God because of it. And, it is not even proven, show me a missing link or just one fossil that proves man evolved from an ape.

Man was created by God is HIS IMAGE! End of story!


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Sue St. Clair 5 years ago from I would rather be in Paris

What a wonderfully informative hub. You definitely both courage and research skills. I hope that you do not become distracted by your critics.

Critics often want to take attention from what you are shining the light on. In this case, you have exposed the true nature of Darwinism and its ultimate end product. Those who cherish Darwin do not want to think about such matters.

When Darwin wrote, there were many in the British empire that saw themselves a superior to other races, and needed a philosophy to prove it. Darwin, along with his relative Francis Galton provided that philosophical foundation. Since they were 'scientist' ( I use the term loosely here), their views were considered sacrosanct. Those who spoke out against them were designated as unscientific and backwards.

Truth be known, even Galton disproved some of Darwin's theories. http://galton.org/letters/darwin/correspondence.ht... which upset him.

Keep up the good work.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Sue St Clair-

Thank you so much for your kind words. You are like a breath of fresh air. I will check out the link your provided, thank you so much!


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

Okay i read the new stuff you added and I must say it inproved the hub even more! You got some interesting info here! By the way, it was recently claimed that the missing link was found and I will talk a lot about that in my next hub. It of course was pure BS just like the last time Scince said that they found the missing link and it turned out to be a hoax!


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BJBenson 5 years ago from USA

What happen, I take a break and the world comes after you! I love you. Happy New year! Hang in there babe!


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you BJBENSON!

I can use the words of encouragement! LOL...there are some real interesting people in this comment area. The atheists hate to hear the truth, what more can I say.


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

I think your Hub is fantastic! You are perfectly correct in everything you wrote. Don't mind the insults from the demon-possessed. It is the ultimate compliments that proves you have written the truth. You are absolutely right.


Baileybear 5 years ago

James - demon-possessed? You really need to quit with your paranoia and name-calling


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tonymac04 5 years ago from South Africa

Nuts! Rod's comment sums it all up pretty well. To link Darwin's ideas with Hitler is as nuts as James's calling those who agree with reason and evolution "demon-possessed". Hitler was an evil, racist man, possibly the most evil in human history, though he has some serious competition in that field!

Charles Darwin was a great thinker who asked some serious questions about the origin of life, and provided the framework which science has since used to provide better understanding.

Trying to discredit Darwin by making false and misleading associations with Hitler is at best silly.

Love and peace

Tony


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Thanks Tony. Charles Darwin was a great thinker. He was a scientist. He loved life in all its myriad forms. Hitler was definitely a racist and, as a human being, he was incredibly rotten. I would definitely go along with very evil.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

James- Thank you so much for your kind words, I really appreciate it. I wanted to dig deeper after reading your hub on Darwinism. I knew the German families coming out of Nazi Germany were totally brianwashed into the idea of Darwinism, but when I went online and researched some more, I was surprised at the number of expert scholars who agree that Hitler was heavily influenced by Darwin!

I certainly was not ready for the barrage of nasty comments attacking me! Yes, I would have to agree with you that "demon possessed" may apply in this case!

And of course there is zero proof to support evolution. Yet, time after time, researchers are proving the events in the Bible really did happen.

Thanks again James and I will be reading more of your hubs soon!


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Tony Mac04 and Rod-

This hub is really not about the character of Darwin. This hub is about the influence that Darwin had on the German people and Hitler. I am not saying that Darwin was a bad man, but you have to agree that Darwin's ideas turned people away from God. Everyone seems to overlook the REAL firsthand experience of people coming out of Nazi Germany and what they believed in. Some of these people went so far as to say that "Origin of Species" was their Bible. You are also overlooking the conclusion of expert scholars in this field.

Darwin's ideas turned people away from God. When we turn away from God, these are the consequences, these are the things that can happen! We need to heed that warning.

Darwin and Hitler were like matches and gasoline.


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tonymac04 5 years ago from South Africa

OK, I appreciate your comment back to us. You state that we (Rod and I) ignore the "REAL firsthand experience of people coming out of Nazi Germany and what they believed in." I have known Germans who came out of Nazi Germany and not one of them ever mentioned Darwin or the Origin of Species to me in explanation of what happened there.

I have read a great deal about Nazism and have seen no evidence that the Nazis were influenced by Darwin. As one of the quotes you have in your Hub, the one from Alan Bullock's wonderful biography of Hitler (which I have read), reads "The basis of Hitler's political beliefs was a crude Darwinism." In other words, not a true understanding of evolution but a corruption of some half-baked ideas that Hitler picked up. I doubt Hitler even knew what evolution as Darwin explained it was. He most likely picked up some ideas from Herbert Spencer and used them to justify what he already believed.

Actually his ideas, especially his anti-Jewish beliefs, more probably come from Martin Luther who in 1543 wrote his infamous book "On the Jews and Their Lies" which reads like a Nazi propaganda tract. I won't quote them here as they are truly obscene, but you can find the relevant extracts on Wikipedia if you would like to do so.

So it might not be the turning away from God which leads to such things, unless you believe that Luther turned away from God.

In your Hub you write "They adopted Darwinism and turned it into a social program." Evidence? And what "Darwinism" could be made into a social program?

Finally from my point of view, even if Hitler was inspired by Darwin, the outcome was not a necessary result of the theory of evolution. Others have understood and accepted evolution and come to conclusions vastly different from Nazism. There is no direct, causal link as you seem to suggest. Or if there is, you have not shown it.

Love and peace

Tony


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Magnoliazz, I have written a hub on 1919 and the numerous bad decisions that were made that year in Versailles. The German people had created a democracy but the signing of the Treaty of Versailles meant in the end that this new democracy, the Weimar Republic, would not stand the test of time.

In 1917 there was famine. There were food riots in Germany in 1918. When the armistice was arrived at in November of 1918 the Germans still held a lot of land they deemed to be enemy territory. They also still had the best air force in the world. In short, the Germans expected a better deal at Versailles. Many Germans blamed their new government for not holding out for a better deal but the crying need for food and medical supplies meant they had to take the deal on offer.

Hitler made much about the treaty calling those on the German side who signed it traitors to the Fatherland. There was at least one Jewish German at Versailles who could be blamed for the signing of the treaty.

As pointed out by Tony, Martin Luther did write against the Jews and his writing against them does have that hysterical tone we associate with Hitler. Richard Wagner, the composer, was probably a stronger influence on Hitler. We know that this Nazi dictator loved 'The Ride of the Valkyries' and we know that Wagner in his day was an Anti-Semite.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Tony, You make some good points however, there are many gray areas here.

"Fortunately, serious historians of the past half century have been freer than media hacks to explore the complexity of Nazism's actual genealogy. One thing that these expert scholars have almost universally agreed on is that Darwinism contributed mightily to Hitlerism."

I'm sorry, but I would have to agree with the people who have studied the Darwin/Hitler connection in depth.

The German families we sponsored were from Berlin and Dresden and were highly educated. One even taught Darwinism. But of course not everyone is going to believe in the same thing, the point of this hub is that enough believed in Darwin and evolution to shape future events.

Rod- Anti Semitism is nothing new in Germany at all, it started in the 14th century when the Germans blamed the Jews for the Black Death.

I think the belief in Darwinism dehumanized the Jews and all human beings.

Once we dehumanized someone it is much easier to get rid of them, and thats exactly what the Germans did.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Rod- Also, Wagner was all about the glory of the Aryan race. I really do not think that an opera is going to prime someone up to murder 9 million people.

And remember Hitler was just one guy, he had help, he had a lot of help! When you murder 9 million people there is much more to it than the obvious. How did all those Germans get brainwashed into the idea that killing all those Jews was a good idea? I think some of it had to do with the occult and some of it had to do with Darwinism, and there are probably other underlying conditions that we will never know about.


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tonymac04 5 years ago from South Africa

You write that "expert scholars have almost universally agreed on is that Darwinism contributed mightily to Hitlerism." Which scholars are these? Could you provide references?

If one of them is Himmelfarb I would differ with you on the "expert" tag. She is a conservative writer, light on scholarship, and with a particular axe to grind. Your quote from her is typical - she herself does not understand evolution, nor the real meaning of the subtitle of Darwin's Origin of Species which has nothing whatsoever to do with human "races", which anyone who has read the book with any understanding would know.

And you still have not provided evidence that the theory of evolution necessarily results in genocide or racism. Hitler was a mad racist who used whatever he could find to justify his racism. He was not inspired by Darwin. I would repeat he probably had read some Spencer, or some interpretation of Spencer, but I very much doubt that he knew much about Darwin or the theory of evolution.

BTW you write about "Darwinism" as if it were some sort of religion or political programme. The theory of evolution is a scientific theory backed by millions of observations over 150 years. Science is the exact opposite of the occult. Hitler was completely unscientific and mad.

It is crude and silly to link causally the theory of evolution to what happened in Germany between 1933 and 1945. Some crude concepts of Social Darwinism might have been used to justify the madness but the theory itself does not necessarily lead to something like the holocaust. If it did we would have been in more serious trouble that we are, considering that the vast majority of scientists accept evolution, as, most likely, do most people in the world, certainly the western world.

The concept of "survival of the fittest" (a phrase coined by Herbert Spencer) does not refer to individuals but to species (the "races" referred to in the subtitle of Darwin's book). The concept has absolutely nothing to do with "might makes right", absolutely nothing.

The question you ask about how decent, cultured Germans got suckered into supporting the Nazis is what Hannah Arendt tried to answer in her great work. One of the reasons for it was the support of the Christian church, in particular certain elements of the Lutheran Church, which welcomed Nazism enthusiastically.

Then of course German nationalism also contributed - the essentially romantic notion of "Das Volk".

These factors, building of the resentment of the Versailles treaty and the consequent suffering of the German people, are far more relevant to the rise Nazism than evolution or Darwin.

The site "About Nazism"http://www.nazism.net/about/ideological_theory/ states: "The ideological roots which became German "National Socialism" were based on numerous sources in European history, drawing especially from Romantic 19th Century idealism, and from a biological misreading of Friedrich Nietzsche's thoughts on "breeding upwards" toward the goal of an Übermensch (Superhuman). Hitler was an avid reader and received ideas that were later to influence Nazism from traceable publications, such as those of the Germanenorden (Germanic Order) or the Thule society." No mention of Darwin or evolution there.

Love and peace

Tony


AKA Winston 5 years ago

If one wishes to point fingers for causes of the Holocaust, the first finger should point to Protestant reformer Martin Luther and his 1543 book "On the Jews and Their Lies".

"....Luther proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbad them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name. Luther wanted to 'be rid of them' and requested that the government and ministers deal with the problem. He requested pastors and preachers to follow his example of issuing warnings against the Jews. He goes so far as to claim that 'We are at fault in not slaying them' for avenging the death of Jesus Christ. Hitler's Nazi government in the 1930s and 40s fit Luther's desires to a tee."

The first organized German attack against its own Jewish citizen, Kristallnacht, November 9-10, copied Luther's ideas almost to a tee. Hitler in Mein Kampf called Luther a great German reformer.

In Daniel Johah Goldhagen's book, Hitler's Willing Executioners, he writes: "One leading Protestant churchman, Bishop Martin Sasse published a compendium of Martin Luther's antisemitic vitriol shortly after Kristallnacht's orgy of anti-Jewish violence. In the foreword to the volume, he applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day: 'On November 10, 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany.' The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words 'of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews.'"

Christians, not Darwinism, created the vitriol needed to cause the Holocaust.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Magnoliazz, you seem to have completely ignored my reference to the events of 1919. This was a crucial year. How the allies treated Germany in this year inevitably meant that the fledgling democracy, the Weimar Republic, was already in trouble. The treaty was a slap in the face to a lot of Germans and some of them were happy to find scapegoats in the Jews, Gypsies, etc. The idea that Germany didn't lose the First World War fair and square but was betrayed from within spread.

Like I said, in 1918 Germany still held foreign ground and still had a magnificent air force and they still had a battle fleet. They could not see themselves as the losers in the war and thought the negotiations would go better.

There was a high ranking Jewish German general who served with distinction in WW1. There were those who later made out that he was actually a traitor. There is actually no basis for such an accusation except to make the Jews out to be bad. At least one of the Germans who signed the treaty was a Jew. There you have an instant traitor.

Food shortages and the need for medical supplies meant the treaty had to be signed. Even so Hitler and other members of the Nazi party called both the treaty and those who signed it despicable and against the Fatherland.

There is film footage showing Hitler at Wagner concerts. It is also a known fact that Wagner music was used in Nazi propaganda films. Wagner wasn't alive at the time but he certainly had his influence on the times. When it comes to propaganda I do not underestimate the influence of either music or film or the combination of the two.

Hitler came to power because the German people were desperate for a savior. He made the average German proud to be German at a time when Germany was in a bad way. Scapegoats were needed. He provided them. If things had gone better in 1919 Hitler wouldn't have stood a chance of getting into power. If not for past racists he could make use of together with that of his propaganda minister he might have floundered. Throughout the 1920 and 1930s, the German people needed hope and Hitler supplied false hope. This really does need to be understood.

Nothing here to do with Charles Darwin.

tony makes some good points.

I agree with AKA Winston, Christians, to some extent, created what was needed to cause the Holocaust though not all Christians, past or living at the time, are to blame.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello again Tony, You say that Hitler probably did not know much about Darwin, yet in the end of your comment you state that Hitler was an avid reader. I would think if he was an avid reader he would have known about Darwin, Hitler would have supported anything that he could use for his own evil purposes. And you are right, he even tried to use the church to brianwash Germans.

I agree with some of your comment, but not your conclusions, however, I apprecite your intelligent input, thank you!


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

AKA- Thank you for your comment. I can't argue with you because what you said in your last comment is true. The Jews were under the gun for centuries. However, it was not until Darwin came along that 9 million Jews were killed, because humans were considered to be nothing more than evolved apes.

Rod- I agree with you, 1918 paved the way to Hitler's rise. I do not disagree with you on any of these points.

All these things were factors.

However, there is a giant leap from mistreating the Jews, which had been going on for centuries, and actually KILLING them. Hitler had to find a way to dehumanize the Jews so the German people would go along with this plan, he did that with Darwinism. And it makes no difference if he followed with what Darwin really meant, or his made up ideas of Darwinism, in the end it changed the thinking of an entire nation and sealed the fate of the Jews and anyone else who was considered to be not "fit".


AKA Winston 5 years ago

magnoliazz,

The Jews were demonized - and thus dehumanized - by Martin Luther. That does not mean Matin Luther was responsible for the Holocaust. Correlation does not mean causation.

Adolph Hitler is the responsible party, regardless of any contributing factor.

(Hitler had to find a way to dehumanize the Jews so the German people would go along with this plan, he did that with Darwinism.)

magnoliazz,

I think you have flawed reasoning here - Darwinism would have dehumanized the German people, too.


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Rod Marsden 5 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

magnoliazz, I don't know about all this dehumanizing business. Most people I know who believe in the theory of evolution are either naturalists or have the spirit of naturalists. They tend to be non-violent and don't see one race as being superior to another. We are all animals together so to speak. You might as well blame Nobel for the use Nazis put to dynamite during WW2 as accuse Charles Darwin of Nazi lunacy.


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Highvoltagewriter 5 years ago from Savannah GA.

So I have now created my own firestorm by publishing my evolution hub, that has atracted the same people who have nothing better to do than jump back and forth and arguee with one another...Come on over for you do not want to miss the fun....


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sir slave 5 years ago from Trinity county CA.

You must have spent a long time on that

your photoshop skills are excellent, not so much in history?

science is responsible for virtually everything you have,(inc you computer) So I take it your against the teaching of evolution!? your not one of those folks that thinks the world began 6000 years ago? we have carbon dating now! I like the idea that things are always changing on this planet. I'd have to agree with you though, if people hit you over the head withsomething you havn't yet learned, it can hurt! like finding out that the earth is round!


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William R. Wilson 5 years ago from Knoxville, TN

Hitler liked soft minded followers.


SirDent 5 years ago

"I have the right to exterminate an inferior race that breed like vermin," Adolf Hitler.

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace, the savage racers throughout the world." Charles Darwin The Descent of Man, chapter 3.


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Hi,

If it is, indeed, found to be true that Hitler's behaviour was influenced by his understanding of Darwin's theory of evolution, then this tells us about Hitler's brain; not about Darwin's theory.

Sadly, many people have misunderstood Darwin and assumed that their own conclusions about him are correct.

It is still happening today. Some people seem not to understand evolution at all.

That is not Darwin's fault.

The evils of various people's cruel behaviour cannot be placed at Mr Darwin's door, just because Herr Hitler, and those who write about him, do not understand Darwin's writings.

I find it incredible that people believe such things.


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ncuxapa_ 5 years ago

This is unique angle how you see things.. I am impressed


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Trish_M 5 years ago from The English Midlands

Re the poll question;

One doesn't 'believe in' Darwinisn. It isn't a religion or a god. One can accept Darwin's theory as true, or one can reject it it. (Though rejection is usually based on some ignorance of the facts, I think)

And really, I don't think that 'Darwinism' is a good name for what is being asked. Maybe that's what it was called in Hitler's day ~ I've no idea ~ but, for the purposes of up-to-date questions on the subject, it should, I feel, be called 'evolutionary theory'


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RachaelLefler 5 years ago from Illinois

The poll question is a bad question because there's a big difference between believing in evolution by natural selection, which is Darwin's actual theory, and social Darwinism, which is a social ideology that influenced Hitler. Also, Darwin's original ideas have been expanded almost to the point where, while he's the father of evolutionary science, that science has moved on (evolved?) much past his understanding since then. For example, he didn't know or talk about things like genetic drift or sexual selection.

It's also worth noting that Darwin opposed the idea of other people applying his name to the term "social darwinism" and was against that idea.


Suz 5 years ago

Isn't it disturbing that the US seems to be the last vestige of widespread creationist belief in the industrialized world? It's been said that the more educated and the more financially stable the populace, the more likely a society is to be non-religious. So what is our problem? Is our education system THAT bad?


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

To begin, I just want the world to know that I am becoming an ardent admirer of Magnoliazz and I may be in love with her.

Be that as it may, I am also an ardent seeker of truth. Indeed, macro-evolution is nothing more than science-fiction and it's intellectual fool's-gold not to mention intellectually dishonest. Having said that, I do believe that the day evolves into the night and if I don't shave by 5:00 p.m., I begin to look like a scruffy George Michael (except I'm hopelessly hetero).

In no way does this mean that I'm evolving into George Michael, it just means that within my DNA, as with most men (and sadly some women), if one doesn't shave in a timely fashion, they will grow a beard. If I go around town topless, I may even become tanned, but I am not evolving into a Mexican or into one of the Kardashian sisters, it's just another amazing little variation within me that happens through circumstance.

In addition, I believe humans all come from one common source (the original couple), but as we have seen, there are splendid variations within all walks of life. So, does this validate evolution?...No...not in the least.

Macro-evolution (one species evolving into another or changing into a different form altogether) makes for a bad hypothesis let alone a theory. For one, there are no witnesses to evolution; the evolutionary process is not at work today; evolution cannot be tested in a laboratory nor can it be verified or reproduced in any way.

What this means is that the Theory of Evolution fails the scientific method outlined in all science books. The one element it has going for it, within the scientific and humanistic communities, is that it is opposed to creation-science, therefore it is seen as a savior and as a science, but only to those who favor folly. Peace be with you.


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

I would also like to add that Darwin's first cousin was one of his biggest fans. Though I forgot his name off-hand, he is known as the father of eugenics (puppet master of population control). It was through his eugenics program in the 20's and 30's, right here in the USA, that he, and his cronies, were sterilizing Americans based upon genetic history, genetic traits and so on and so forth.

This madman convinced four well-to-do families that they were of superior stock and should only propogate within their little circle so they could reap the benefits of having, according to them, superior DNA. Within two generations of this inter-breeding between these 4 families, a whole host of genetic defects began to present themselves.

In conclusion, Darwin's first cousin, who knew him better than anyone, believed Darwin's theories called for a weeding out of inferior genes known to some families and races of men. Consequently, if you were a woman and had a brother with Downsyndrome, you were likely to be placed under forced sterilation under this eugenics plan.

As a side-note, Planned Parenthood is part of the eugenics program and so is the ongoing plan to increase homosexuality, militant feminism and abortion - three philosophical and immoral platforms that are meant to depopulate certain segments of our population.


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Another point I feel compelled to make is that I question the whole holocaust allegation. This is to say that I question its validity and the very foundation of its existence. I am not saying that it didn't happen, but I am saying that it probably did not happen the way we have been told and to the extent that it has been reported by the press.

Please understand that I live by the credo "Question all things". I believe virtually nothing that I am told and believe virtually nothing that I read from the mainstream press (and I don't watch t.v.). A wise man once said, "Believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see", and to these words I hold true.

From the information I have researched, it looks as though Hitler, who did hate the Jews, needed them to work in his factories to sustain his war machine. Of what benefit would it be to him to kill off his workforce, especially during a world war? Why not wait until the war ended and then kill them off? I think the truth is that Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany and was trying to send them off to Russia and was looking into purchasing Madagascar from the French (large island nation off south-east corner of Africa), but negotiations fell apart with the advent of the war.

Another point I would like to make is that I would like each of you to look up, as I have done, a Jewish organization who monitors the population of Jews throughout the world. If memory serves, according to their own statistics, the Jewish race actually increased by 2 million souls during the alleged holocaust years (from 16 to 18 million Jews). Now I ask you, if 9 million Jews were slaughtered by the Germans, why didn't those numbers fall to 7 million Jews worldwide, instead of increasing by two million? Now, take a deep breath, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, and chew on that juicy nugget for awhile. See, isn't getting off the train from Brainwashville a little frightening and uncomforable? Hitler said himself, or at least it is a quote attributed to him, "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."

Now, please take into account that the ones responsible for spreading the news and putting out the press releases are those who won the war (to the victors go the spoils). And, like things are today, the war machine controls the media. You hear what they want you to hear and you see what they want you to see. In fact, they will even tell you what you are seeing. Remember the wise old man saying, "...believe only half of what you see", because most of the time someone is interpreting for you and giving meaning to the things you see. In a word, you are actively being brainwashed and controlled through media manipulation. Therefore, you don't really see what is before you, you are seeing through biased eyes enhanced by the power of suggestion. Then all the puppet masters have to do is pump this balderdash out in mass quantities to the public and next thing you know, everyone is talking about it and reinforcing the great lie.

Moreover, it is also a fact that no gas houses or ovens were ever found in Germany or Poland after the War. It is also a fact that Hitler hated Freemasons and Roman Catholics almost as much as Jews. These people were also found in great quantities in his work camps, but none of them tell the stories that the Jews do. And if you think about it, through the holocaust propaganda machine, the Jews were given a chunk of land now called Israel in 1948 and have received trillions of dollars through war reparations and financial aid from Europe and the USA since the War's end. Nice little racket if you ask me.

By the way, the first six presidents of Israel were all Freemasons and the small State of Israel houses 76 Freemasonic temples. So ask yourself...did God give the Jews back their homeland after divorcing them 2,000 before, or is the current State of Israel a Freemasonic invention? I firmly believe the latter.

Finally, please understand that many people in Germany starved to death during the last few months of the War, but most of these people were ethnic Germans! Most of the people you saw being bulldozed into mass gravesites were German people who starved to death because the railways, airways, and all transportation lines had been bombed, cut, or broken, by the Allies months before. Sure, some Jewish people died and starved to death, but so did alot of other people, but you don't hear them crying about it 70 years later and holding out the hat.

In fact, the holocaust machine is so threatened by exposure that they have passed laws in Germany and France that forbid people from saying the holocaust did not happen. Of course, you can say that, but risk being thrown into prison, (just ask a Lutheran minister in Germany two years ago why he spent one year in prison and he will tell you that he publically stated the holocaust was a lie and completely fabricated).

Most of my ancestors came from Germany and Ireland, but I have a Jewish last name. I have known quite a few German people in my life, including my full-blooded German grandmother, and they are the most intelligent and most kindhearted people I have ever met. And you know what? They don't believe the holocaust myth either. I even know a Professor from the university I graduated from and he was in Berlin as it was being bombed. He lost family members and friends and saw them being beaten and murdered by the Russians and Americans. He never heard anything about the holocaust until the propaganda machine started spinning its lies to justify the re-creation of Israel and to justify dividing Germany up into 4 massive military bases controlled by the French, English, Americans and Russians respectively. And it has been this way for nearly 70 years. Truth is always a casualty in war.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Lone Ranger....You. my friend are a breath of fresh air! You make a great deal of sense. In light of the bin Laden ordeal, who in their right mind would believe anything the gov tells us.

I think the internet is finally waking people up. The truth is out there, we just have to find it.

Thank you so much Lone Ranger for your intelligent and insightful comments. I am going to check out some of your hubs, I know I won't be disappointed.


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Of all the things I would like to do in life, disappointing you, my dove, is not one of them!

Having said that, I do not have my own Hub, but, if it pleases you, I should like to visit yours frequently.

My love, it is true that you have a face that could launch 10,000 ships, but a woman of virtue is worth more than gold and fine gems. Having both these qualities in abundant supply means you are a rare and precious flower indeed! I do not know your husband, but he should be considered the luckiest of men.

You have shown great courage and a desire to know and speak the truth, even though it may mean you must swim against the current, and, at times, stand alone. There is a profound cost for taking a stand for what is right and doing what is pleasing in the eyes of The Almighty and His Son. I can tell you this lifestyle has made my alter ego into the "Lone Ranger", because I often stand alone. But, as the Word of God says, "If God is for you...who can be against you?".

Keep up the good work, my darling, for your reward is waiting for you on the "other side", in a place where theives and the federal government cannot steal and moth and rust cannot destroy. Please stay the course and focus your beautiful, sunset eyes on the finish line.

When life gets you down, do as I do and ponder the wisdom of St. Paul in Philippians 4:8-9 (8)"Finally, beloved, whatever is true, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. (9) Keep on doing the things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, and the God of peace will be with you."

Do not become discouraged with all the negativity around you, for your kindheartedness and witness has already made me into a better man. So, perhaps evolution is correct after all! :0)

With your consent, I will drop by now and then just to see what my lovely edelweiss has on her mind. Please consider me, at your service. - Your servant in Christ


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

What can I say Lone Ranger, thanks for all the kind compliments. You remind me very much of American Tiger....an awesome hubber who once graced these pages.

LOL...now I must go and read the other comments you left!


Sanxuary 3 years ago

I find it odd that you can not post the truth and not get some quack claiming it is not true. In America at the time Eugenics was huge and the belief of ridding America of the handicapped was being practiced. The theory is you remove or prevent breeding that we would get rid of them. The Holocaust is why it ended in America. Its truth made the practice so despised that it all but killed the idea. Its odd today that we have more handicapped people then ever before and its most likely caused by environmental factors. The Theory of Evolution had everything to do with the Philosophy behind Eugenics. It does not take one argument on Religion to come up with this thesis. With out the theory of evolution, eugenics would not exist. Genocide might have been a plan but Hitler's plan was based on bad science and evolution and eugenics was its scientific credentials. No religious argument is even required in this forum, because none of this had anything to do with God in order to produce the facts.

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