Why No One Should Vote For Mitt Romney, Not Even Mitt Romney!

Two-Faced Chameleon!

© 2012 VVeasey Publishing

05/08/12

If you look in the dictionary under two-faced chameleon there will be two pictures of Mitt Romney. One looking to the left and one looking to the right.

Someone wrote a hub about 10 reasons blacks shouldn't vote for the Democrats. Well we only need one reason why no one should vote for the Republicans... Mitt Romney.

Romney has changed his political position so many times, even he doesn't know where he stands. Romney shouldn't even vote for himself. The man is delusional, or so out of touch with reality, he thinks republican voters will vote for him no matter how many times he does and an about face or contradicts himself...hmm..maybe he's not that delusional. Many of these people have such a delusional hatred of President Obama they will probably vote for Romney anyway.

Mitt's latest about face and arguably the most crass and lowdown is he's now demanding credit for the success of the auto companies when he was originally dead set against giving them the bailout,

Romney said, "Let Detroit go bankrupt," . " IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed."

But now that General Motors and Chrysler are posting record profits, Mitt states, "I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy," "And finally, when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet. So I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back."

Can you believe this guy! Is anybody with any sense going to vote for this opportunistic_______you fill in the blank.


Giving Credit To Bush For What Obama Did

But this is just par for the course for the Republicans. Remember Dick Cheney trying to give credit to Bush when Obama successfully got Bin Laden killed?

Bush failed to capture or kill Bin Laden when he was in office. When Bush was asked about his plans to capture Bin Laden or have him killed. Bush nonchalantly said "Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

He didn't spend that much time thinking about Bin Laden, but now Bush should get credit for having Bin Laden killed? I don't think so.

I think we see a pattern with these people.

The tea party conservatives, Cheney, Fox News talking heads, etc, don't want to give President Obama credit for anything that will make him look good to the American public. If they were originally for a policy or idea that Obama supports, they're now against it.

They are intentionally trying to deceive and delude the public,to keep President Obama from being re-elected. You can't trust them. You can't trust Mitt Romney. He'll say anything to get elected. Romney is the new poster boy for all of this political non-sense.

This one reason trumps 10 or 100 reasons why anybody should vote for the Republicans and definitely not for Mitt Romney.


Romney And Jobs

Update: Romney cites as his main reason for running for president is that his Bain Capital experience qualified him to be able to improve the economy and create jobs. But he cried "no fair" when his record of bankrupting companies and shipping thousands of job overseas is brought up. He only wants us to talk about the part of his Bain Capital record that he wants us to talk about. The Republican leaders, Fox news and others support this nonsense and hypocrisy.

But the truth is being revealed for all to see if they really want to see it

Here's a quote from the Washington Post

" During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."


Romneycare And Obamacare

Amazing! But wait there more!

Romney says he going to end Obama Care If he becomes president but wouldn't cha know it. Obama Care is based on Romney Care! Mitt tries his best to deny it, but Obama used the same guy who helped Romney create Romney Care, to help him Create Obama Care! They're virtually the same plan! (Can somebody say two-faced chameleon)


Romney And Bain Capital

7.12.12

Romney, always insists that he left Bain capital in 1999, so he's not responsible for anything Bain capital did after that date. But a report in the Boston Globe, states that according to filings Bain capital made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Romney was with Bain until 2002. He was the only stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer and president of the company. (Can somebody say two-faced lying chameleon)


Racial Pandering

7.25.12. A Romney campaign adviser told the U, K, Telegraph

“We are part of an Anglo-Saxon heritage (read white) and he feels that the special relationship is special,” “The White House didn’t fully appreciate the shared history we have”. (What!)

Is he suggesting that President Obama has to be Anglo-Saxon (read white) to appreciate our shared history with Britain? Is this openly biased, racist pandering and racial snobbery or what!


Romney's "Foreign" Policy Tour

7.27.12

Romney is on his so-called "foreign" policy tour, because he has no foreign policy experience, this was supposed give Mitt something to tout when he continues his campaign back in the U.S.

But boy!, oh boy!, has he F*cked up big time, this time! He questioned the readiness of Britain to host the Olympic Games! And they've fired back at Mitt with the Big Guns!

The Sun Tabloid called him "Mitt the Twit," and a "wannabe president." Ha ha ha ha! whooo!That's cold! I could've said it better myself!

The Independent, called Romney's trip, "Romney shambles" saying in addition to Romney committing a diplomatic gaffe, he did the "the cardinal sin of U.S. politics, flip-flopping" on his criticism.

Ha Ha Ha Ha...the British are doing us proud! They can see thru Romney's B.S.better than most Americans!

The Daily Telegraph said, Romney's ineptness has overshadowed his purpose for coming to London. (That ain't nothing but the truth!)

Yeah buddy!

Even the conservative Daily Mail called Romney " devoid of charm, offensive and a wazzock (a foolish or annoying person). Ha ha ha. I didn't know what that was either...I had to look that one up! But it's fits! Ha ha ha ha!

In his interviews, Romney, is just so transparent and phony and seems to think he can just "charm "his way out his flip-flopping...but it ain't working! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!


Corporate Raider

That a corporate raider like Mitt Romney is masquerading as the common man's politician is outrageous...but his flip flopping....Priceless!

Romney made Paul Ryan his Vice Presidential running mate!

9.11.12. The Republicans are supposed to be the party that big on the support of our military but during their convention they barely mentioned the military but the Democrats acknowledged our fighting men and women in a big way. Mitt and his pals didn't even thank or show any appreciation for the troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Mitt's' response asked about this omission, "I only regret you’re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don’t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important and I described in my speech, my commitment to a strong military unlike the president’s decision to cut our military. And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing".

Mitt doesn't think that acknowledging our military men and women fighting in harms way is important?

9.11.12.There was poll that asked who people thought was more responsible for getting Osama Bin Laden About 16% said Mitt Romney! Can you believe that shit?

34% said they were not sure who was more responsible for getting Bin Laden! Wow!

These fools need educating and Romney the Republican sure as hell aren't gonna do it!

9.13.12. Romney falsely accused President Obama of sympathizing with the attackers of American Embassy in Libya!

Mitt said "The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," (Outrageous!)

But none of that was true (surprise, surprise, surprise!).

Neither the American Embassy nor Secretary Of State Clinton offered sympathy for the attackers.

In fact, the Cairo Embassy condemned the anti-Muslim religious violence before the embassy was attacked. Secretary of State Clinton representing the Obama administration's first response to the violence, explicitly condemned the attack and the death of a State Department official.

So Romney in his eagerness to score political points against the President, jumped the gun, and didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and got a lot of justly deserved criticism from both democrats and republicans for his outrageous remarks.

9.14.12, Mitt says "I think the challenge that I'll have in the debate is that the president tends to, how shall I say it, to say things that aren't true," What! Ha ha ha ha!

Mitt never says things that aren't true or flip flops...Right?...Right!!!

9.18.12

Mitt's caught on tape at a private fund raiser for millionaires saying that 47% of the American voters are irresponsible, want hand-outs and see themselves as victims because they won't vote for him! He's said he's not concern about those voters. See the video below!

9.20.12

Ha ha ha ha! Now Romney is saying forget what he said about 47 percent of people, because he's for 100 percent of the people! (What!) Is anybody buying this? I hope not!

Now you see why I call him a two-faced chameleon?

Even more reason why no one should vote for the Republicans or Mitt Romney, not even Mitt Romney, himself


One More Reason No One Should Vote For Mitt Romney

News Alert! 11.1.2012

Mitt has changed his position so many times that now even the largest newspaper in Romney's backyard, The Salt Lake Tribune, has endorsed President Obama for reelection as president

click this link to read it for yourself or just read the article below

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/r

Tribune endorsement: Too Many Mitts

Obama has earned another term

First Published Oct 19 2012 12:13 pm • Last Updated Oct 24 2012 03:41 pm

(Nowhere has Mitt Romney’s pursuit of the presidency been more warmly welcomed or closely followed than here in Utah. The Republican nominee’s political and religious pedigrees, his adeptly bipartisan governorship of a Democratic state, and his head for business and the bottom line all inspire admiration and hope in our largely Mormon, Republican, business-friendly state.

But it was Romney’s singular role in rescuing Utah’s organization of the 2002 Olympics from a cesspool of scandal, and his oversight of the most successful Winter Games on record, that make him the Beehive State’s favorite adopted son. After all, Romney managed to save the state from ignominy, turning the extravaganza into a showcase for the matchless landscapes, volunteerism and efficiency that told the world what is best and most beautiful about Utah and its people.

In short, this is the Mitt Romney we knew, or thought we knew, as one of us.

Sadly, it is not the only Romney, as his campaign for the White House has made abundantly clear, first in his servile courtship of the tea party in order to win the nomination, and now as the party’s shape-shifting nominee. From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"

The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney’s next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.

More troubling, Romney has repeatedly refused to share specifics of his radical plan to simultaneously reduce the debt, get rid of Obamacare (or, as he now says, only part of it), make a voucher program of Medicare, slash taxes and spending, and thereby create millions of new jobs. To claim, as Romney does, that he would offset his tax and spending cuts (except for billions more for the military) by doing away with tax deductions and exemptions is utterly meaningless without identifying which and how many would get the ax. Absent those specifics, his promise of a balanced budget simply does not pencil out.

If this portrait of a Romney willing to say anything to get elected seems harsh, we need only revisit his branding of 47 percent of Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, yet feel victimized and entitled to government assistance. His job, he told a group of wealthy donors, "is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Where, we ask, is the pragmatic, inclusive Romney, the Massachusetts governor who left the state with a model health care plan in place, the Romney who led Utah to Olympic glory? That Romney skedaddled and is nowhere to be found.

And what of the president Romney would replace? For four years, President Barack Obama has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to pull the nation out of its worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression, a deepening crisis he inherited the day he took office.

In the first months of his presidency, Obama acted decisively to stimulate the economy. His leadership was essential to passage of the badly needed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Though Republicans criticize the stimulus for failing to create jobs, it clearly helped stop the hemorrhaging of public sector jobs. The Utah Legislature used hundreds of millions in stimulus funds to plug holes in the state’s budget.

The president also acted wisely to bail out the auto industry, which has since come roaring back. Romney, in so many words, said the car makers should sink if they can’t swim.

Obama’s most noteworthy achievement, passage of his signature Affordable Care Act, also proved, in its timing, his greatest blunder. The set of comprehensive health insurance reforms aimed at extending health care coverage to all Americans was signed 14 months into his term after a ferocious fight in Congress that sapped the new president’s political capital and destroyed any chance for bipartisan cooperation on the shredded economy.

Obama’s foreign policy record is perhaps his strongest suit, especially compared to Romney’s bellicose posture toward Russia and China and his inflammatory rhetoric regarding Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Obama’s measured reliance on tough economic embargoes to bring Iran to heel, and his equally measured disengagement from the war in Afghanistan, are examples of a nuanced approach to international affairs. The glaring exception, still unfolding, was the administration’s failure to protect the lives of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, and to quickly come clean about it.

In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney’s domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.

Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.) The Salt Lake Tribune

The Salt Lake Tribune endorses President Obama for president.

Even more reason no one should vote for Mitt Romney, even Romney himself!




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American Romance 4 years ago from America

..........changed his position?...........what has Obama done? I will make the white house an open book.........closed door deals

I will lower taxes........wants taxes raised

I believe marriage is between a man and woman..........Biden says he is for gay marriage and the White house backs him up

I believe we must cut the deficit..........added 4 trillion to the debt...........and on and on and on! Romney simply admitted he made mistakes and learned from them!.........we have every right to believe him over Obama!...........besides this country cannot afford another 4 years of Obama


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

American Romance, American Romance

what can I say? But

Excuses, Excuses

Criticism for President Obama

Excuses for Mitt Romney

Criticism for the Democrates

Excuses for the Republicans


bogusmoss 4 years ago from Oklahoma

Nice hub Easey. The thing about Republicans is that they can't stand to compromise or do anything that doesn't benefit them and their kind first. They know nothing of sacrifice; only that others should sacrifice for GOP benefit. They vote against their own interests and it's not because they thought of it themselves but rather Limbaugh said so and FOX "News" is the gospel.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

bogusmoss

Thanks for your comment

A lot people are only concerned about themselves

or those they identify with (family, friends etc)

Many have a everyone one for themselves attitude and don't want to help the poor or anyone less fortunate than they are. But they profess to being christians which flies in the face of Jesus' open concern for helping the poor and the needy.

How can you have a United States Of America if everyone is only out for themselves? Where's is the unity? That's why there is a central government and constitution to unite everyone and all the states around. So we all have something in common and to unite around and to make us one nation and one people.

So with the attitudes expressed by those spoken of above are they good Americans or good Christians?


bogusmoss 4 years ago from Oklahoma

I think we are all good American's regardless of our views. Whether we are selfish or not doesn't bother me. As American's we are supposed to be competitive, strive for the top and be successful. There has to be some selfishness involved when you think about it. What is un-American, however, is to let yourself be led astray by right-wing nut jobs that only report one side of the sory - and it's usually the wrong one. Sheep to the slaughter is all I can say.

Good Christians? No way! Religion has been so distorted in this country I can't believe it has survived this long. I'm not religious myself and I have nothing against religion, but when it's used and abused to forward a hateful and discriminatory agenda I have a problem with it. How can anyone claim Christianity when every hateful thing that comes out of their mouths contradicts the bible. Religion in this country is at the height of hypocrisy. But if you notice, it isn't the left knocking Mormonism, or Catholicism. The right attacks itself and its fun to watch.

We need to pull together as a country. That's it! It doesn't matter what side you're on. It doesn't matter who the President is. Let's take care of our own. I mean really take care of them. We can't dominate the world when, within our borders, we are weak. This means compromise and sacrifice from both sides and in this area President Obama sets the standard and leads by example!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

bogusmoss

We're on the same page, I Agree


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Nathan Orf 4 years ago from Virginia

Hilarious! I agree with you, entirely. Voted up!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Nathan Orf

Glad you got a kick out it!

Yep sometimes the truth is more hilarious than a joke!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

Well, Mitt Romney has not really told anyone what he is going to do or how his is going to do it. Well, except he doesn't care at all for the poor, he is going to cut medicare , why not just let old people die after all , they are old. What people don't seem to understand, is he is a billionaire. He wants to buy the office. The rest of us do not matter. What about poor, hungry children? Or people with disabilities? There are real problems in this country. Does he know how to respect the Chinese? Or the Russians? They are partners and connected to Iran. Does he know much about that? Why aren't people on the media reporting these things? Just wondering.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Michele Travis

I really don't know why the media isn't reporting those things.

My guess is that although the right wingers always talk about the media being controlled by liberals. It's appears that the opposite is really true. I think there are far more right wing political talk shows than liberal talk shows on Television and radio. I think that also applies to newspapers


Robb Reavves 4 years ago

Romney is an arrogant fat cat, the chosen one of the RNC. The Dole, Bush, McCain is getting ready to repeat it self in November. Tens of thousands of us right-wingers (and proudly so) will NOT VOTE for Romney. Could we even dream of a brokered convention where a candidate is chosen who can win?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Robb Reavves

thanks for your enlightening "proud right-winger" comments.

You ask "Could we even dream of a brokered convention where a candidate is chosen who can win?"

Sure you can dream it...but I doubt if'll happen!


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Nathan Orf 4 years ago from Virginia

vveasey,

As far as the Media goes, I think it depends on what you watch or read. Fox News is definitely conservative, but MSNBC is fairly liberal. And shows like Washington Week and Inside Washington pretty much give both liberals and conservatives room to talk. But most news media is just out for ratings and money. They tell people what's hot right then, not what people need to know. The media exists to sell itself.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Nathan Orf

I agree the media exist to sell itself because the media are businesses and like any business will go out of business if doesn't sell itself. I don't have a problem with that.

But also, the media is just a code name for the people who own and manage the media and decide what it will or won't report. And people have agendas political, monetary and otherwise that may influence how and what they report.

And though I agree with the ratings and money thing.

I think that some media people are committed to reporting the news for what it is the way it is.


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Nathan Orf 4 years ago from Virginia

That is exactly so. I couldn't have put it better myself.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Glad we could see Eye to Eye!


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

Interesting facts mixed into this hub.

Honestly most recent Republican candidates for president have not been exactly the cream of the crop… 4 years ago it was McCain with a poorly managed campaign… this time Romney with a better budgeted but similarly poorly managed campaign.

Actually the Republican candidates & campaigns are so poorly executed it looks like they were planning to fail from even before they started running. I have conspiracy friends that say big politics is like professional wrestling – it is all pre planned and rigged. They controlling group is really only interested in calming and controlling the population.

However back to your hub…

The REASON to NOT vote for Obama and to grin & bear voting for Romney is simple.

It has nothing to do with Romney being dishonest and two faced.. He is a long term politician.. so those faults are self evident and expected.

Reason to vote against Obama aka liberal democrat control of the presidency is patriotism.

The democrats BLOCK trying to have voters show proof of citizenship.. their civil right based reasons for this BLOCK are lies and you know it… they simply want illegal aliens to vote .. pure and simple

The democrats and their supports are MORE racist than republicans. Anti white discrimination mandated by federal government is still out of control.

The democrats spend in the wrong direction. Liberals want the more successful to be forced to financially support and give to the poor. This is a “1984 novel” mentality that simply weaken the country. It is anti natural order and is destroying the country just as it destroyed the public school system. The right approach is to teach the “poor” to take advantage of opportunities and grow to become proud & strong & maybe even rich…and not instead encourage them to become welfare ripoff experts and blame the evil white people for their lot in life..


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

jman00001

Interesting point of view. You seem angry.

Anyway you say "The REASON to NOT vote for Obama and to grin & bear voting for Romney is simple.

It has nothing to do with Romney being dishonest and two faced.. He is a long term politician.. so those faults are self evident and expected".

It doesn't bother you that Romney is two-faced and dishonest?

How can you trust him?

You say "The democrats BLOCK trying to have voters show proof of citizenship.. their civil right based reasons for this BLOCK are lies and you know it… they simply want illegal aliens to vote .. pure and simple"

Do you know me? How do you know what I know? And you're insinuationg that I*m dishonest, based on what?

You say "and not instead encourage them to become welfare ripoff experts and blame the evil white people for their lot in life." There are far more white people on welfare than black people, does what you say apply to them too?


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

Yes- I am angry at the BS and corruption and apathy that is wrecking this country.

For instance look at YOUR “political / evasive ” response.

A) Bringing up Romney again being dishonest is silly. Why? Because all professional politicians (that I know of) are dishonest and never cared about the “people” … Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi are as crooked and as ridiculously oblivious to what is good for America as people like Romney. A “real” American leader that was president was JF Kennedy. His policies and those implemented by Johnson were questionable at the time and now are poisonous to the country but at least he was a real man and patriot (even the Marilyn Monroe deal doesn’t bother me for someone like that). Point being is irrelevant whether Romney is trustworthy. Obama’s basic policy and basic agenda is wrong and bad for America . therefore don’t vote Obama which means that Romney unfortunately is the only real choice now.

B) Your “ do you know me” comment about the “no voter ID” comment is potentially scary. Please Answer the question- is trying to block official polls from checking proof of citizenship Right or wrong? ( Anyone who trys to keep voter’s citizenship from being checked looks to be a traitor- pure and simple… I’m curious if anyone can pose and argument to the contrary in this day of airplane & boat security checks that include citizenship ID.

C) You missed my point on the “welfare rip off” comment. I believe there are MORE white, anti white racists now than any other kind.

Yes many whites including those from middle and upper income classes are against their own race. Kind of a reverse uncle Tom sort of thing. Sounds crazy but it is true. Just look at the majority of college and high school teachers -yuk.

Race is however a non issue compared to the reverse Darwin theory at play right now in the country. “Survival and prospering of the un-fittest” is a sick and twisted philosophy for a nation to run on . Obama’s support for “rewarding down statistics and penalizing good statistics” and the pro gay marriage ( anti Christian) concepts is sad because it affect million on a global scale. Obama should NEVER have been president! The level of disgrace that important office has suffered from the Clinton ( Monica L deal) and the Bush/ Cheney deal is now amplified 10 fold. No president should EVER state national policy on liberal talk shows or support gay “marriage vs civil union” , etc.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

I can see that unfortunately there is no talking to you.

Thanks for your comments


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

My take is that no one else is reading your hub.

Also I noticed you "again" dodged the key question I posed twice now.

The democrats BLOCKing the drive to have voters show proof of citizenship due to WANTing illegal aliens to illegally vote democrat... Clearly your avoidance of this statement is evidence of this truth and the liberal democrats traitorous support for Blocking proper voter ID...

Thanks for your hub and your personal "by omission" support for Romney over Obama :)


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

jman00001

As I said there is no discussing this issue with you because

your so angry and enraged!

So this is my last response to you

Thanks for your comments


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

Your half baked sexist pretense to again avoid a subject you know you have lost is typical for illogical liberals.

You avoidance of a simple question of patriotism 3 times now regarding the ballot box is proof that your representation of liberals is one of betrayal of America. You effectively admit to wanting non citizen / illegal aliens to vote.

I am more sad than mad that you and your liberal hub followers have to live such a lie. Hopefully the Obama vs Romney election results will follow accordingly and the side more aligned with good will win.


Chuck 4 years ago

vveasey: There are a lot of us that are a little angry right now about the past 4 years. Your inability to answer basic questions from jman says a lot.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Chuck 29

It has nothing to do with lack of ability.

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to answer jman00001 questions.

It has to do with the fact that nothing I say is going to change jman00001 or your mind. Are you open to anything I say that doesn't agree with your views?

You and jman00001 are angry

And from my point of view angry people just want to vent their anger and argue.

That's the reason I choose not to engage in an answer.

Thanks for your comments


Chuck 4 years ago

I always like to hear the opinions of others, but you're arguments are lacking. My favorite was that there are more white people on welfare than blacks. I sure hope so, blacks make up about 13% of the population, but this is not about race for white people. Roughly 50% of white people voted for Obama compared to 96% of blacks. I don't care about the color of Obama's skin. I care about his record and just want him to go away. He called the deficit under George Bush "unpatriotic" and went on to increase the debt by 6.5 trillion dollars. The job market and the economy are just horrible right now. Something has to change. I don't think the country can stand another four years under Obama.

I didn't realize jman was a fellow Texan when I sent my first reply. I think things may be a little different here in Texas than they are in Michigan.


Chuck 4 years ago

Ok, I read your description and now your posts make a little more sense. I'm guessing you're about 20. That makes you less than 10 years old when Bush took office and the World Trade Center was hit. I'm guessing you weren't even old enough to vote in the last election for Obama. I saw that you're a student and I suspect you have a liberal professor telling you what to believe.


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ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

vv

did you have a seizure? you aren't make any sense here.


Chuck 4 years ago

rad: This hub goes along with the idea that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. It seems that when you combine that knowledge with youthful energy and possibly some acid, things really go apeshit.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Chuck

ib radmasters

That's one of the great things about America

you're all entitled to your own opinions whether their true or not

ib radmasters what are you saying I'm not making any sense about?


Jim 4 years ago

Congratulations on your first chance to vote, but you're a strong-minded, emotional kid without the knowledge or experience to make a successful argument on this.


Bob 4 years ago

Good luck on this one junior.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

The joke's on you

This was a test to see what kind of reaction I would get from certain commenters if I just refused to answer or respond directly to their comments or the way they wanted me to.

It's psychological interesting.

The commenters I said were angry, admitted they were angry.

I didn't insult or demean anyone but what reaction did I receive in return?

I was accused of having "half baked sexist pretense"

Of having "knowledge with youthful energy and possibly some acid, things really go apeshit"

"I'm guessing you're about 20."

"Congratulations on your first chance to vote, but you're a strong-minded, emotional kid without the knowledge or experience to make a successful argument on this."

"I suspect you have a liberal professor telling you what to believe."

"Good luck on this one junior"

And "Your inability to answer basic questions from jman says a lot."

I think all of these comments says a lot

Since none of those commenting know me... these comments are nothing but demeaning speculation, but why the need to shower me with these negative speculative comments just because of the way I responded or didn't respond? That's the question


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

vv

The "other" question is whether you are a legitimate hubber or on some other mission. Your "jokes on you" comment and ongoing avoidance to address real questions and issues regarding your hub topic say far more ... actually maybe a better hub name for you is "the joker" .. crzy..

Real hubbers like Chuck, Jim and a number of "liberal but legit" hubpage members will be of more interest to follow I think..as they don't consider current event topics, the country's future and the presidentcy a joke like you (vv) do.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

jman00001

You didn't answer my question

If you don't think I'm a real hubber why do you keep responding with comments?

This had nothing to do with taking the country's future and the presidency as a joke.

You don't get it.

I just told you why I didn't answer and you're still name calling.

Why does it seems it so important to you that I answer your questions?

Why do you care if I answer or not?

Ok ask your question and I'll provide you with an answer and then lets see what u have to you say.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

jman00001

You say "Your "jokes on you" comment and ongoing avoidance to address real questions and issues regarding your hub topic say far more"

Ok ask me a question about my hub


Chuck 4 years ago

You seem more like a child to me now than before and your arguments are still nonsense. Instead of answering basic questions, you are now pretending to have a psychological experiment going on. For that to be successful, you'll need a little more than an A.S. degree and some maturity. I'm not sure what you think you're trying to do, but you're still a kid. Grow up.


Chuck 4 years ago

Also, you've been posting liberal garbage along the same lines as this hub for over two years. That's a lot of effort for this little "experiment."


Chuck 4 years ago

But I guess it's possible that this is an account used by multiple users at a major university as part of a Top Secret study to study human behavior, right?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Chuck'

no need to keep hurling insults you're the one acting like a child with all of this name calling and wild speculation.

You're insulting someone made up in your own imagination because you have no idea how old I am or anything else.

While I'm honored that you've been following this hub for over two years.

Do yourself a favor and stop following it. Why keep commenting on a hub you find so unacceptable?

Why can't you just move on and let it go?

Ask a question and I'll provide you with an answer and if you don't find it acceptable please move on.

Ask a question as it relates to this hub


Chuck 4 years ago

Hey there psychology genius. You can see how long you've been posting this kind of stuff by looking at your profile, but maybe that's just a clue to a layman like me.

I only stopped by again to see how your big experiment was going. Please give me an update on your progress.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

I just today (9/1/12) discovered your article on our poor little, rich boy, wannabee working class hero, candidate, Mitch Romney. Good stuff. It is as accurate a description of this hypocritical and cynical tool today as when first written. Mitt would be an Un Mitti Gated disaster for this country.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

PS:

I just recently wrote a hub regarding Romney's vulture capitalism resume at Bain. It is not yet published because it is being reviewed by HubPages

In the meantime, for an extremely informative description of why Romney's business experience specifically disqualifies him for the job as President of the USA, I suggest Matt Taibbi's article in the recent edition of Rolling Stone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-an...

Keep up the good work.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

mp2525

thanks for your comments. I will definitely checkout your hub when it's approved. Let me know when that happens.

I'll read the rollingstone article too.

Your comments are a Refreshing change from these last few insulting and disrespectful right wing commenters


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

mp2525

Read the rollingstone article

It's right on the money!

It reveals in the most vivid way who Mitt really is

for all those who aren't too blind or brainwashed to see it.


Chuck 4 years ago

Rolling Stone? There's a definitive article on who Mitt Romney really is, right? Are you guys just absolutely retarded? Please don't vote in this election, just stay home and smoke weed.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

The absurdity of your comments suggests strongly that you did not take the opportunity to read the article, which may have allowed you to learn something and broaden your understanding.

You should not be afraid to try to open your mind to new information and new ideas. Information will always empower you in every conceivable way.

Closing your mind and deciding that you no longer wish to learn is no way to go through life. Living in ignorance can only lead to unhappiness for you and those close to you.

Try a little harder to enlighten yourself whenever you can. You will be amazed at the positive results.


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Bob Zermop 4 years ago from California, USA

Hahaha, fantastic article! My first laugh of the day :D

"If you look in the dictionary under 2-faxed chameleon you will find two pictures of Mitt Romney. One of him looking to the right and one of him looking to the left." Hahahahaha :D

I'm not a Republican nor do I belong to the Tea Party (indie), but I am a conservative whose views are closest to libertarians. Not exactly a huge fan of Obama, but Romney... Sigh.

Also, just as a note, please do not associate all conservatives with a few "flamers". I admire your resolve in keeping to not censoring the comments of even those like Chuck.

Chuck - Please do not spam this site; there are hubbers on here who want to enjoy articles and comment discussions without having to scroll through your work.

Thanks for the comment space, vv. Enjoyed the hub a great deal; voted up and awesome!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Bob Zermop

Thanks for commenting

Yes the truth about Mitt is certainly sometime funnier than a joke!

I'll take your advice about associating all conservatives with the "flamers"

I'm leaveing some of Chuck's comments up, just so people can see, (and maybe even some of the "flamers")

just how insulting, disrespectful, hostile and lets not forget, deluded people like Chuck can be if they disagree with your views.

It's much easier for him to leave vile comments and criticise my hubs as opposed to writing his own hubs, if he's even capable of doing so.

I enjoyed your comments


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

mp2525

As it relates to Chuck...I hope the kind, thoughful and truthful things you said to Chuck can somehow find an airway inside his head...but I fear his mind is like a solid brick wall.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

VV: I agree that not much will be able get through to Mr. Chuck (full of hot air). And thus the herd gets thinned quite naturally...


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

VV:

I just noticed that you are from Detroit. Having lived in Cleveland until I was 20 (we used to call Detroit the “other mistake on the lake”), perhaps it is my solid Midwestern Rust Belt sensibility that makes me enjoy your writing so much. Unlike Mitt, I got a good education in our public schools; I also actually got my hands dirty working summers in and around the blast furnaces of Republic Steel to finance my college and graduate school degrees; and most important, I never wore freshly ironed blue jeans to work or school…but I digress…sort of.

In the sixty plus years of my fairly full life, I have never actively participated in political activities until the present time. These are very serious times for our country, and even though my one son (28 years old) is doing well enough, it bothers me tremendously to witness the problems, which he and his friends must deal with. I am seriously worried for them.

Considering the horrible mess that President Obama inherited from the 8 years of the Bush/Cheney Administration’s criminal negligence, I would say that our President has made pretty good progress in moving the country and the economy in the right direction. A President can only do so much, and when he has to fight a Republican Congressional Majority, who would rather see the country fail so long as Obama does not succeed, it is a miracle that he has made the substantial progress that he has, and about which he should be given full credit.

Romney is clueless. His Taliban-esque, running mate Paul Ryan, is even worse. If they get elected, and are able to further their economic agenda, we are all screwed. Forget about this phony concept of incentivizing the “job creators”. Our only way to get back on track is job creation for the middle class, starting with stimulus funds to rebuild the infrastructure. Put some wages in the bank for our 23 million unemployed, release their pent up consumer demand and businesses will re tool or be created to meet the demand by hiring more people and more people.

Romney is as phony as a $3 dollar bill. He knows how to borrow money (not his own), bust out companies, grab his obscene profits and hide his plunder overseas (further described in my latest, toned down article, “LBO’s Bain and Vulture Capitalism”)

Mitt will be an Un Mitt A Gated Disaster!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

mp2525

Yeah people like me (and you) like to get directly to the point, cut off all the fluff and fat and see what's really there. I guess that's partly from growing up in a tough, gritty auto factory town like the Big D.

It shouldn't surprise me...but it does and even amazes me, that some people really think that, a corporate raider like Mitt the Twit (as the British called him), will be looking out for their best interest!


Byron 4 years ago

Government doesn't create jobs. Romeny needs to create an environment that allows business to create the jobs. Right now, I feel the outright hate that Obama feels for me because I am in business. That speech he gave, when he let his true feelings show, demonstrated that he despises success and achievement. I think he had too many Marxist professors, smoked too much dope, took too many bong hits, and listened to Rev. Wright too many times.


Byron 4 years ago

And mp2525, I'll admit that Obama didn't inherit a good situation, but after 3 1/2 years it's time to show some stones and take responsibility for his failures. We're experiencing the longest ever period of unemployment over 8%, the debt will have increased by around $6 Trillion by the end of four years of Obama, the U.S. credit rating was lowered for the first time in history and we've had twice as many of our military die in Afghanistan in less than four years under Obama than under eight years under Bush.

Also, the worst recession since the Great Depression was going on when Reagan took office. He spent about 2-1/2 years fighting Democrats to adopt his platform and after voters FIRED A BUNCH OF THEM for not doing it, the remaining Democrats knuckled-under and gave Reagan what he wanted - yielding an IMMEDIATE reversal from recession to growth.

Go to BLS.gov and find an unemployment graph for that time. That line falls right off a cliff IMMEDIATELY after "Reaganomics" was actually implemented and no Democrat will EVER forgive him for that.

It amazes me that even with all the failures and very few if any successes the left continues to blindly support Obama and his policies that are changing this country into something that our parents and grandparents wouldn't even recognize.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Byron

good points but,

The President and the congress run the country why aren't you holding them accountable?

Why is it so easy for you and others to blame President Obama but not the congress, when the number one goal of the Republican leaders was to make Obama a one term president.

They could have signed bills to create infrastructure jobs repairing our crumbling highways and bridges etc, but noooo they refused to do that because their number one goal is to make President Obama look bad to insure that he's a one term president.

They're so obssessed with that, that they're willing to jeopardize the enconmic health of the county just to make him look bad in the public eye.

Is the president, a president or a king, who has the obsolute power to do what he wants?


Don 4 years ago

Obama has nearly outspent all previous presidents. Actually, it is Congress that has done it. The liberals now are screaming and twisting because somebody wants to cut spending. Reality is that Obama's administration is worse than Nixon's. Look at the coverups, look at the lies. I can go on but I'm sure no liberal wants to admit it.

And remember, it was Congress (under Republicans) who forced Clinton to balance the budget. Bush was horrible with the budget. Obama is worse. Facts are facts.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Byron

thanks for replying

I'm not looking to argue either.

Don't you think that was a valid point about the republicans vowing to obstruct anything the president wanted to accomplish to make him a one term president?

As for democrats having control of the house and senate, on paper yes that was true...but the balance tipper

was...the so-called blue dog democrats, who sided with the republicans against President Obama on legislation he wanted to address, effectively giving the republicans control on those issues.

Isn't that true?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Don

thanks for commenting.

Are you listening to what you're saying?

first you say "Obama has nearly outspent all previous presidents."

Then you corrected yourself saying "Actually, it is Congress that has done it.

Then you say "Bush was horrible with the budget. Obama is worse. Facts are facts."

Seems like you first blamed President Obama for outspending previous presidents, then you blamed the congress for that, then you re-blamed President Obama for what you just blamed the congress for, which is it?

I agree that it's the congress and as I asked Byron, why are you and others like him, so willing to blame President Obama and hold him accountable, but not the congress?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

(They could have claimed more in deductions, said Brad Malt, the trustee of Romney's blind trust, but the couple "limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor's statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years."

Romney seemed to be painted into a corner by that statement, which came in reaction to Senate Democratic leader Reid's claim to have heard that the Republican had paid no taxes in some years.

Romney will surely be reminded by the Democrats that he also said in August, defending his right to pay no more taxes than he owed: "I don't pay more than are legally due, and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president."

The decision of Romney's trustee to limit his use of charitable deductions in 2011 in order to keep to the candidate's claim that he paid no less than 13 percent taxes in any year over the last decade raised the eyebrows of several tax law experts. They noted that the trustee's use of numerous tax strategies gives Romney the rare ability to loosen or limit his tax payments at will.

"It's interesting he didn't take the full charitable deduction," said Victor Fleischer, a University of Colorado law professor who has testified before Congress urging tightened oversight of private equity firms. "You're in a pretty lucky position when you can pay more tax" to get up to a 13 percent rate. Fleischer and several others said it was doubtful Romney could later take any unclaimed deductions in future years.)

So Mitt manipulated his taxes to make it look like he paid more taxes than he was required to pay so he would look like he paid a higher tax rate?

And Republicans are going to vote for this guy and not President Obama?

Why?

Just imgaine what would happen and how they would respond if President Obama had done this?

Romney paid more taxes than he should so by his own admission that makes him not qualifield to be president!

Even more reason why no one in their right mind should vote for Romney not even Mitt Romney himself!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Ok Mitt lovers

come on with your "intellectual approach" and attack these facts!


Mark 4 years ago

Is Obama responsible for anything? He is the Commander-in-Chief. He was elected as our leader. He is responsible. Period. The responsibility comes with the job. If Barry can't handle the responsibility of the job get the fuck out.

I am fucking sick and tired of Obama blaming Bush, the Congress, the evil Republicans, anyone but himself. You wanted the job buddy, buck up, be a man, and deal with it. Stop fucking crying like a little bitch that it's always someone else's fault.

Obama said when he was elected if he couldn't turn things around in 4 years he should be voted out of office. He has done a shit job with the economy. No one can argue that point. Stop the blame game and take some responsibility. I think the vast majority of the public would really appreciate it at this point.

By way, my rant isn't directed at you, it's just general frustration with the finger-pointing blaming bullshit. Yes, the economy sucked 4 years ago. I voted for Obama to turn the shit around like he promised. He has failed. Enough said.


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Nathan Orf 4 years ago from Virginia

Mark,

Your points would be more credible if you cut the profanity down and acted like a civilized human being.

Now, here are some facts for your consideration. Yes, Obama is in fact the Commander in Chief. He proved this when he ordered the raid that killed Bin Laden. Obama may not have held the gun that shot Bin Laden, but he is responsible for his death. Orders like that come with the job.

Next fact; The economy is in fact Bush's fault, and most people still blame Bush for the economy, which, by the way, has been recovering for the last three years. After Obama passed the stimulus, 4.3 million jobs have been created. The economy has been adding jobs for 28 consecutive months. So no, Obama has not failed with the economy.

Fact number three; Obama blames the Republicans in Congress for the slow pace of the economy because they are mainly responsible for it. Obama tried to pass the American Jobs Act in 2011, but that was blocked by House Republicans. That was not Obama's fault. That was the Republican's fault.

While we are discussing the blame game... who started it? The Republicans. You can't blame a man for beating his rivals at their own game.

And as the economy is beginning to turn around, and more people are feeling the benefits again, more people (that "majority" you mentioned) are beginning to head out to vote. Who do you think they will vote for? Obama, who has a history of backing up his positions with actions? Or will they go for Romney, who is still trying to figure out what his positions are?

In light of the solid facts I listed above, your comment truly does seem like a senseless rant.


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

Mark,

I suggest not getting upset or waiting your time with these guys. They are fringe leftists with no agenda beyond mindless rants to push liberal agenda. They don’t understand the deeper issues and have lost numerous “debates” on these hubs to conservatives based on facts and logic.

A telltale sign they know they lost the point is when they try to insult or belittle you or pretend that you and not they are the hate mongers. If you look at their text much of it looks to be cut & paste from democrat propaganda news media. The disinformation they share is disappointing and may confuse some people.

The worsening economy over the past 4 years has been pulled further down by Obama and his socialized healthcare funding. Unemployment is still a major issue and still well over 8% despite the billions of free money being pushed in by the Fed on Obama’s behalf. If the Republican’s were doing a better job, this election would already have been decided against Obama just do to the poor economy.

Obama is so inexperienced with the idea of leading the military that it appears he let “nature take its course” and followed Bush’s previous agenda even to the point of getting Bin Laden and keeping our troops deployed overseas. I admit that Obama’s maintaining a “hawk like” military position is a surprise. However his team’s apology tours even when US embassy’s are burning and US citizens and government leaders are killed is more what we would have expected.

Obama’s attempts to fix America by way of more socialism, wealth redistribution, amnesty for low income illegal immigrants, attacks on people’s faith in the Bible, support against the traditional family unit, and more government spending on projects that weaken and divide the people is sickening. However a growing number of people now living in America seem to want this. In spite of Obama’s 4 years clearly dividing and polarizing the country worse than before he was elected many seem to want to have the government responsible for everything even to the point of worship. Those people will vote for Obama no matter what is shared or said. Good Luck


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

You say "However a growing number of people now living in America seem to want this. In spite of Obama’s 4 years clearly dividing and polarizing the country worse than before he was elected many seem to want to have the government responsible for everything even to the point of worship".

If as you say (and I'm not sure it is true) that a "growing number of people" and "many people want this" You're blaming President Obama for this?

You say "Those people will vote for Obama no matter what is shared or said. Good Luck"

That's why you're wanting to debate commenters because you're trying to peruade them to vote for Romney?

And if they disagree with you and try to peruade you to vote for the president what do you say about them?


Charles 4 years ago

@Nathan - You should be well aware that tax cuts never caused the recession under Bush, as it was actually caused by the housing and credit bubble created by government pushing banks to make sub-prime mortgages and phlass-stegal act that separated banks from housing institutions. You forget the Dem run Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac that failed in its oversight that Bush tried to change at least 3 times, yet the Dems denied him.

That is the real cause of the recession, and the demand for tax increases will never fix anything. Then to add, Obamacare will only further increase the cost of healthcare and insurance. Therefore, we end up with absolutly nothing fixed after 4 years of Obama.

So please, try to look at the real facts instead of moronic left wing talking points.


Paules 4 years ago

Let's talk about President Obama and change.

What did Barack Obama mean by “fundamental transformation” of the United States? Did he write a manifesto? Did he have a plan? A thesis? Surely he thought about it before announcing an agenda of this magnitude, right? Did he write it down? Where is it?

The truth is that the comment was never anything more than a rhetorical flourish offered to his deluded followers, high-sounding but vacuous at its core, like the man himself. Obama is a sophomoric thinker at best, and he has no plan. Is he a Marxist or a social democrat? He’s neither because he has no core values and no coherent philosophy of government. His administration is characterized by ad hoc solutions to whatever crisis seems important at the moment. Even then he dithers (recall the gulf oil spill). How can a man so lacking in basic knowledge (corpse man/corpsman, Maldives/Malvinas) be given credit as a deep thinker? Aside from an antipathy for the American way of life, he has revealed no motivations other than a desire for power.

Barack Obama is just another in a long line of corrupt Democratic politicians who use the public treasury to keep themselves in office. He’s in over his head and he has no idea what he’s doing. The only thing we know for sure is that he lusts for power and the perks it brings with it. His autobiography is a fiction, and his persona is entirely contrived. He has no skills other than a talent for self-promotion. If he did have any ideas, he’d be dangerous. But he doesn’t. He’s just incompetent.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

I posting this from the ABC News site Headline reads

"Criticism of Romney's Campaign Grows; Six in 10 Rate His Efforts Negatively"

Public criticism of Mitt Romney's race for the White House has risen sharply, with six in 10 Americans expressing a negative opinion of how he's handling his campaign and a majority responding unfavorably to his comments on people who don't pay income taxes.

Sixty-one percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll hold an unfavorable view of how Romney's handling his presidential campaign, up by 12 percentage points since mid-July. Far fewer, 35 percent, rate Romney's performance positively, essentially unchanged.

Barack Obama's ratings for handling his campaign are substantially better, 54-43 percent, favorable-unfavorable. And while ratings of Romney's campaign have grown more negative, favorable ratings of Obama's campaign efforts have gained 8 points since July.

These ratings follow controversy last week about Romney's remark at a Florida fundraiser that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income taxes, see themselves as "victims" and lack personal responsibility. Fifty-four percent in this survey, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, see his "recent comments about people who don't pay income taxes" negatively; 32 percent respond favorably, with the rest unsure.

There's also an intensity problem for Romney: Americans disproportionately see his handling of his campaign "strongly" unfavorably rather than strongly favorably, 36 percent vs. 10 percent; it's a similar split on his comment on those who don't pay taxes. Strong sentiment on Obama's campaign, by contrast, is evenly balanced.

As damaging as Romney's remark may have been, it appears not to be solely responsible for Romney's weak grade on handling his campaign, since ratings of his campaign performance overall are 7 points more negative than are responses to that comment. Indeed, even among those who see the "47 percent" remark favorably, nearly three in 10 also respond negatively to Romney's handling of his campaign overall.

In a sign of particular trouble for Romney, negative views of his campaign have grown by 18 points since midsummer among independents, who often are swing voters. In July, 46 percent of independents rated Romney's handling of his campaign negatively; it's 64 percent today. Romney's positive score among independents, at 32 percent, far trails Obama's, 50 percent.

Even among Republicans, more than one in four rates Romney's efforts negatively - 27 percent. While essentially unchanged since July, that's substantially more than the share of Democrats who respond negatively to Obama's work on his campaign, 11 percent.

As well as among independents, negative views of Romney's handling of his campaign have grown especially sharply among adults under age 40 - up by 23 points since July, to 69 percent negative - and among women, with negative responses up by 18 points. And there's a large gap among income groups: a 16-point rise in negative ratings of Romney's campaign among people with household incomes less than $100,000 a year, vs. essentially no change among those with incomes of $100,000 or more.

Less than well-off adults also are more critical of Romney's "47 percent" comment, responding negatively rather than positively by 57-28 percent. Those with incomes of $100,000 or more, by contrast, divide evenly - they're 18 points more supportive of the remark.

Obama, for his part, gets especially positive grades for handling his campaign, 60 percent, from people with household incomes of $50,000 or less; that falls to less than half of those who are better off financially. Still his rating is 17 points better than Romney's even in the $50,000-$100,000 range; only among $100,000-plus earners does Romney's campaign rival Obama's.

Among other groups, Obama's campaign efforts are rated positively by majorities of women, adults younger than 40, moderates (as well as liberals) and (especially) nonwhites; those compare with even splits among men and among people 40 and older. Among whites, Obama's 45-51 percent rating, favorable-unfavorable, is not positive - but beats Romney's 39-56 percent.

While these results are among all adults, they're essentially identical among those who report being registered to vote: Negative on Romney's campaign by 61-36 percent; negative on his tax comment by 54-33 percent; and positive on Obama's campaign efforts by 53-45 percent.


Mark 4 years ago

I hope the Democrats are happy with Obama's campaign. He's more dedicated to that than being president. The fact that Obama snubbed Netanyahu and other world leaders due to his busy schedule, but made time to go on "The View" is outrageous. As is skipping an intel briefing and flying to Vegas the day after the U.S. Ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed in a TERRORIST ATTACK.

The liberals are forgetting Ronald Reagan was 10 points behind in the polls in October 1980. The liberal media, like ABC News, essentially were writing him off. Carter lost due to the debates and his handling of the Iranian Embassy siege. We can only speculate on how the debates will go, but his handling of the Libyan embassy attack hasn't exactly been stellar. As more details emerge, I think we'll see the American people become more angry. Also, If Israel strikes Iran prior to the election, Obama is done.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

I know these polls are disappointing to you...but are you so disappointed you're seriously comparing Mitt to Ronald Reagan?

Reagan raises taxes a number of times to help the budget and ecomomy but the Republicans love the guy, but criticize Obama if he wants to raise taxes to help the budget etc


Mark 4 years ago

vveasey

You didn't address any of my points.

I will admit that Obama is closer to Jimmy Carter than Romney is to Reagan, but you're totally mssing the point. Romney is doing much better in the polls than Reagan was at this point prior to the election and he had a landslide victory. There are a lot of things that could happen prior to this election.

I'm not at all discouraged by the polls at the moment. I expect more Republicans to actually show up to vote and less Democrats this time around. Also, as I stated earlier, the numbers could certainly change quickly.

Also, are you guys going to continue to refer to him as Willard and Mitt in an attempt to belittle him if he is elected?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

You said "You didn't address any of my points."

I think mentioning Mitt and Reagan in the polls was one of your points wasn't it? That's why I asked you about the comparison. Point addressed.

You seem to have so much faith in Mitt that you're happy to ignore the polls!

But truthfully if Obama was behind like Mitt what would you be saying?

As for what I call him..I call him what he calls himself Mitt or Romney so how is that an attempt to belittle him?


Mark 4 years ago

@vveasey

No, you're still missing the point. History has shown this election is too close to call at this point. If Romney was up by 2 percent, I wouldn't feel comfortable about him winning and wouldn't rub it in anyone's face.

As for your Mitt remarks. Obama is the President of the United States and not my personal friend, therefore I do not refer to him by his first name.

I truly appreciate it when young voters are excited about an election, but don't overlook history in favor of emotion. If this was 1980 and your first opportunity to vote, you would be talking trash about Reagan.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

I'm not missing the point and I'm not calling the election for President Obama...yet!

You didn't address the point about what you would be saying if Obama was behind like Romney is.

You say" I truly appreciate it when young voters are excited about an election, but don't overlook history in favor of emotion. If this was 1980 and your first opportunity to vote, you would be talking trash about Reagan".

You're making quite a big assumption if you think that I'm young or would vote based on emotion...in fact the emotion part is kind of insulting, and condescending.

The only thing you might be right about is I may have been talking trash to you, but I was talking the truth about Reagan in 1980!


Mark 4 years ago

@vveasey

I absolutely adressed your question about "what you would be saying if Obama was behind like Romney is."

I stated that "History has shown this election is too close to call at this point. If Romney was up by 2 percent, I wouldn't feel comfortable about him winning and wouldn't rub it in anyone's face."

I can play the quotation mark game too.

I didn't say that you were voting based on emotion. I said you were basing the outcome of this election on emotion. You absolutely are.

When I said that I am happy about young voters being excited about the election, I meant it. I didn't mean it to be codescending, but it's quite easy to tell you're about 20.

I think I'm done with your hubs. I'll read your smart-ass response, but likely won't way in again. You really don't know what to say when someone doesn't follow the script.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

Thanks

I'm done with your smart ass remarks too.

Sorry I missed your response about Obama being down like Romney

But you're still making assumptions and being condescending, whether you mean to or not about my age or that I'm basing the outcome of the election on emotion...

based on all I can say is your deluded way of looking at what I'm saying, based on what you appear to think, is your superior way of looking at issues.

It tickles me that people like you who criticize me and my hubs seem to find it hard to stay away...it's like y'all are obsessed with following my hubs.

Try writing your own hubs about what you're passionate about rather haunting my hubs like a restless ghost

So no love lost...and good-bye


Obama is a serial liar 4 years ago

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100008723963904435...

And the only reason anyone has him up in polls is because they skew the polls (dishonestly) for Obama - here is how they do it.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1863079594001/rove-be-c...


Charles 4 years ago

There are so many of Obama's malfeasance in office that there is not enough room to cover them here. But lets talk about a few. There was his refusal to wear the American Flag lapel pin. His reason? He wanted to be fair. Fair? About the American Flag? We have fought, and many have died for that flag. Then he went to Saudi Arabia and told the people the US was no longer a Christian Nation. WRONG!! Then he bowed and kissed the ring of the Saudi King. Unacceptable. Then came the trillions in stimulus for shovel ready jobs. Shovel ready jobs? That turned out to be a lie. Then came the oil spill in the Gulf and he did nothing until four months later. The folks down there lost jobs, lost money, begging for the Federal Government to do something. Then he goes down and staggers along a beach with cameras rolling like he is really involved. Then he signs legislation forbidding drilling for oil in the Gulf. He was guaranteeing; that those folks would never recover. Then came the unforgivable. The idiot, moron, low life, muslim who shot 13 brave young American Hero’s on Ft. Hood. What did Obama do? He called it a work place incident. Then at the memorial ceremony at the trooping of the Flag, he does the unforgivable, he does not salute the Flag like everybody else, he is covering his crotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a retired military person, this is unforgiveable. I am going to stop writing but there is so much this imposter has done to our Country that it will take a long time to recover.


Cheryl 4 years ago

WHAT economic progress are we making? I am a registered nurse and have been for 19 years and I WAS LAID OFF!! Nurses, yes nurses are losing their jobs left and right. Medicare, medicaid cuts, doctors tripling the amount of patients they are seeing due to these cuts; hospitals cutting back. You call this progress? Why don't you check out dailylayoffs.net and see the amount of people losing their jobs. I have applied for every job I can think of...waitress, housekeeper, dog walker, bus cleaner, retail and was offered a job doing home care as a NURSING ASSISTANT making $8.00/hr. I wish the public was aware of the falsification of this nursing shortage. Everyone thinks anything in healthcare is recession proof.....WRONG! Since Obama got into office, NOTHING IS RECESSION PROOF. If OBAMA has his way...we will be in a depression in the blink of an eye. I have relatives in Europe living under socialized medicine (OBAMA'S plan) and let me tell you it's horrible. You better "hope and pray" Obamacare does not go through, because God forbid it does, you better "hope and pray" you don't get sick. Been there, done that and I know what it's like. Do you want to wait four months to see a doctor for a simple infection? And you approve of his "TRACK RECORD"? You contradict yourself because then you say "in spite of the best efforts of Congress to make sure Obama wouldn't be allowed to get us back on track"......SO, WE'RE STILL OFF TRACK. "Making economic progress".....show me the proof.


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jman00001 4 years ago from Texas

I think some "progressives" are also interested in high volume on their hubs from conservatives.. which we tend to give generously..

Hmm maybe some of our liberal hubbers are more capitalist than we realize? The points we all shared are simple valid. Especially personal events like Cheryl shared. I think they know it but want to generate conflict & drama a lil like reality TV.. It seems to be working..

Anyway, my concern is the growing numbers of people who do actually believe in Obama. That is what scares me . I now know of 2 colleague educated professionals with over 10 years working experience in Texas that OPENLY want wealth redistribution.. They advocate for a bigger, stronger government that will have greater control or businesses and people ... When asked why, they say it is safer that way for the poor and middle class and rich people will finally get their wealth shared which is what they deserve? They says they have many friends who believe the same thing although don’t share it openly.

People - we have now have many with no desire for liberty, fairness or freedom.. One of these individuals even disavowed her Christian beliefs based on Obama's pro gay marriage comments. I am no longer convinced that these people are simply part of a small fringe group.

Without the tea party or republicans having a similar core voting group Advantage like Obama has- namely a sizable group that will vote in November and will not split their vote under any conditions - I really don't see how Christianity or Conservatism will prosper in America’s future.

The Obama / liberal/ socialist core group is growing – both by immigration and by greater numbers of children being born to low income parents as well as middle to high income immigrant parents and following the same entitlement and or socialist lifestyle. We gave all citizens the right to an equal vote, but never expected this betrayal of our founding principals.


Roger 4 years ago

Hard to imagine how many of you still think Obama is such a wonderful POTUS. You haven't seen enough of his cronies getting taxpayer money? You enjoy watching scandals like Fast and Furious, Bengazi, and Solyndra? Oh, maybe you like being lied to every single day? How are those unemployment numbers and gas prices looking for you people? Median middle class income down, house prices down, inflation up, defecit sky rocketing, Senate Dem's haven't passed a budget in over 3 years now... Dear God, you people need to wake up.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Well wouldn't you know it...Paul Ryan talks against President Obama's stimulus act but requested stimulus money himself, can somebody say hypocrite.

Just click the link below to see the facts for yourself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/paul-ryan...

Even more reason why no one should vote for Mitt Romney including Mitt Romney himself


Mike 4 years ago

Oh great, a Huffington Post article. There's an unbiased news source.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mike

It's part of the freedom of information act.

read other sources you'll see the same thing.

go to Joe Biden's website the letters are posted there.

Paul Ryan confirmed he sent the letters during the debate.

It so easy to just diss something because you don't want to believe it

rather than checking it out for yourself.


Mike 4 years ago

Great, now you've cited another genius, Joe Biden.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mike

instead of making dumb disparaging remarks

check the facts

during the debates Ryan admitted he took stimulus money.

Check other sources. But you may be one of those people

who will only believe want you want to believe, damn the facts


Mike 4 years ago

Ok, I was hoping you might refer to a Rev Al article next.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Wrong!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Romney got caught in one of his lies when he said President Obama didn't call the Libya attack a terrorist attack. Hahahaha!

It's pretty bad when the moderator has to tell you twice that what you're asserting is not correct because you keep trying to assert it! Hahahaha

This is from CNN fact checking what President Obama called the attack,

"On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."

(If the president didn't think this was a terrorist attack why did he say "No act of terror?")

"Two days later, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney responded bluntly to a question about why Obama had not labeled the incident a terrorist attack.

"I think you're misunderstanding something here," Carney said. "I'm the president's spokesman. When the head of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, in open testimony in Congress, answered a question by saying yes, by the definitions we go by -- this is me paraphrasing -- this was a terrorist attack -- I echoed that, because this president, this administration, everybody looks to the intelligence community for the assessments on this. And it has been since I said so, the president's position that this was a terrorist attack."

Case closed!

Romney caught in indisputable lie!

Facts matter!

Even more reason why no one should vote for Mitt Romney or the republicans not even Mitt Romney himself!


Kyle 4 years ago

In fact, that reference to “acts of terror” didn’t appear in any sentence or paragraph with “Libya” or “Benghazi.” In that Rose Garden speech Obama seemed to obliquely refer to the purported provocation (the anti-Muslim video) when he said: “Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.” The reference to “acts of terror” (plural, not the singular attack on Benghazi) was in reference to 9/11/01 and other jihadist attacks:

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.


Bob 4 years ago

Maybe someone can figure a way to have a five hour special of American Idol on TV on election day to keep the Obama supporters at home. I guess you could also make it a marathon with Survivor, Biggest Loser, The Great Race, The Bachelor and American Idol.


Cindy 4 years ago

Even Candy Crowley apologized earlier to Romney and the American people saying that yes for 2 weeks the Obama administration claimed the Benghazi attack was the result of a film and it was a spontaneous demonstration and not a planned act of terrorism. Obama and Clinton also apologized profusely to the muslim community for the video.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Romney got caught in one of his lies when he said President Obama didn't call the Libya attack a terrorist attack. Hahahaha!

It's pretty bad when the moderator has to tell you twice that what you're asserting is not correct because you keep trying to assert it! Hahahaha

This is from CNN fact checking what President Obama called the attack,

"On September 13, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, Obama vowed to bring the killers to justice. He then added, "No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."

(If the president didn't think this was a terrorist attack why did he say "No act of terror?")

"Two days later, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney responded bluntly to a question about why Obama had not labeled the incident a terrorist attack.

"I think you're misunderstanding something here," Carney said. "I'm the president's spokesman. When the head of the National Counterterrorism Center, Matt Olsen, in open testimony in Congress, answered a question by saying yes, by the definitions we go by -- this is me paraphrasing -- this was a terrorist attack -- I echoed that, because this president, this administration, everybody looks to the intelligence community for the assessments on this. And it has been since I said so, the president's position that this was a terrorist attack."

Case closed!

Romney caught in indisputable lie!

Facts matter!

Even more reason why no one should vote for Mitt Romney or the republicans not even Mitt Romney himself!


Cindy 4 years ago

Have you read the whole speech?


Cindy 4 years ago

I watched Susan Rice (Obama's ambassador to the UN) on FIVE mainstream Sunday news programs after the attack say that the attack was "in fact" (her words) a spontaneous protest against an obscure video. It was clear from the beginning there was no spontaneous protest at all, and it was a premeditated attack, as Hillary Clinton is now saying.

I have a feeling you only watch MSNBC or you would realize how badly the President misled the American people last night.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Cindy

CNN is not MSNBC

and I'll take MSNBC over Fox News any day.

She said Romney was right, in the main, which means he wasn't completely right, meaning he was wrong about what the President said in the rose garden but may have been right about the other things he said.

That's the only thing that makes sense or she would just said Romney was right period, no qualification needed.

Susan Rice was only going by what the intelligence agencies she depends on for information knew at that time, as they carried out a more thorough investigation of what really happened. As more updated information was supplied to her agency they updated their information and statements to the press.

That's just the way it works.

You depend on those agencies who are responsible for investigating the situation and updating you with new information as they learn more of the facts. So you can update your information to those who depend on you for their information about the situation


Cindy 4 years ago

Read the whole speech and you'll see what I mean. This is going to be a close race. Either candidate could win. Your childish, biased remarks like "Case closed! Romney caught in indisputable lie! Facts matter!" are just not accurate.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Cindy

It's childish for you to call my comments childish

Respond like an adult without name calling

I could have called your comments all kinds of bad names

but that's not necessary to have a rational, adult conversion

even if we disagree with one another wouldn't you agree?


Cindy 4 years ago

Oh, you didn't like my response so you deleted it.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Yep you're being disrespectful


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

VV:

Why do you even bother with these Romney pinheads? They are hopeless. You just have to wait until the herd gets thinned. Whoops that may be too Darwinian for them to digest.

Keep writing your Hubs!


Cindy 4 years ago

mp2525,

You're an idiot. Look at the facts. Read the whole speech from the Rose Garden and look at the releases from Susan Rice.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

Despite the fact Obama has not cleaned up George Bush’s mess quickly enough, despite the fact that Benghazi was not handled properly, etc, etc, the fact is that Obama has the courage of his convictions. Romney has the courage of the Lion in the Wizard of Oz. Obama has integrity. Mitt does not know the meaning of the word. If you do not know the meaning of integrity, I suggest that you read my blog “Where is the Outrage? Where is the Integrity?”...or any of my other Hubs pertaining to Mitt.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Now this is funny! But unfortunately true

President Obama speaking at a ralley in Virginia today.

It's called you might have Romnesia!

"Now that we're 18 days out from the election, Mr. 'Severely Conservative' wants you to think he was severely kidding about everything he said over the last year," the president said. "He told folks he was the ideal candidate for the Tea Party, now he's telling folks, 'What? Who me?' He's forgetting what his own positions are. And he's betting that you will too."

Continued the president, "he's changing up so much and backtracking and side stepping we've got to name this condition he's going through.

"I think it's called…'Romnesia,'" the president said to cheers and laughter.

"I'm not a medical doctor, but I do want to go over some of the symptoms with you because I want to make sure nobody else catches it," the president said in the battleground state of Virginia, where recent polls show Mitt Romney with momentum.

"If you say you're for equal pay for equal work but you keep refusing to say whether or not you'd sign a bill that protects equal pay for equal work, you might have Romnesia," the president said, sounding not a little like comedian Jeff Foxworthy.

"If you say women should have access to contraceptive care but you support legislation that would let your employer deny you contraceptive care, you might have a case of Romnesia," the president said. "If you say you'll protect a woman's right to choose but you stand up at a primary debate and say that you'd be delighted to sign a law outlawing that right to choose in all cases, then you've definitely got Romnesia."

Moving on from issues he was raising to try to win over more women voters - Romney is polling better with women than previous Republican presidential candidates - the president said Romnesia extends to "other issues. If you say earlier in the year, 'I'm going to give a tax cut to the top one percent' and then in a debate you say 'I don't know anything about giving tax cuts to rich folks,' you need to get a thermometer a take your temperature, because you probably have Romnesia.

"If you say that you're a champion of the coal industry when, while you were governor, you stood in front of a coal plant and said 'this plant will kill you' -"

The crowd, for this one, chimed in "you probably have Romnesia," prompting the president to laugh and say, "that's some Romnesia."

Said the president, "if you come down with a case of Romnesia and you can't seem to remember the policies that are still on your website or the promises you've made over the six years you've been running for president, here's the good news: Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions!"

The crowd cheered ebulliently.


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

Nice!


Luther 4 years ago

@mp2525

President Obama has some real problems if I’m flirting with Mitt Romney. I’m a left leaning, black, urban professional with a law degree. Thinking back to 2008 and the type of voter Obama did well with, I hit all of the demographics: I’m black, college-degreed and live in an urban center (Chicago at that). If I’m thinking of abandoning him, then he has some real problems.

The reason I’m reading Mitt Romney’s economic plan is because it doesn’t appear Obama has one. He’s been in office almost four years and he has to give another speech on his jobs plan? Unemployment was over 9% for two years. Why don’t I know about his jobs plan already?

And the drama about the speech highlights his real problem: the President of the United States has no spine. The President of the United States wanted to give his jobs speech on Wednesday but backed down after Republicans condemned him for his timing. I am bone tired of the President wanting to do something, Republicans blasting him for it and him backing down. It doesn’t matter what he does, Republicans will blast him; he needs to act like he’s the President rather than getting permission from John Boehner to take a piss.

Would George W. Bush change the timing of a speech to placate Democrats?

Another example: President Obama wanted to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Republicans argued that security would be compromised and the prison is still open. Question: If President George W. Bush wanted to close Guantanamo Bay, would it still be open?

As much as President Bush’s policies can be questioned at least he knew he was the President and acted like it. Instead acting like the President and leading Americans, Obama tries to build consensus by giving speeches and delegates everything to Congress. Think about the debt ceiling debate, he implored Congress to get him a proposal instead of creating and fighting for his own plan. The same is true with his landmark piece of legislation, health care. Republicans mistakenly call it Obamacare, like he was the one who created it. It should be called Pelosicare. Like everything else, Obama gave speeches imploring Congress to pass universal healthcare and then went off somewhere hoping Congress would give him something sign.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Luther

thanks for commenting

I feel your pain.

I think the President could have been more forceful as well.

but I think because he's was a successful community organizer and was able to get diverse people to work together and because he was able to do something similar as a state senator.

He over estimated his ability to do the same with the congress.

I don't think he realized the ruthlessness of the congressional republicans or the blue dog democrates.

Even after they stabbed him in back after to agreeing to some deal...he still was overly confident he could somehow get them do what he wanted.

I think he compromised on some things because he at least wanted to get something done.

As for jobs...he had an infrastructure jobs bill he tried to get passed but the republicans voted it down because their number one goal was to make Obama a one term president

But I agree he needed to be and needs to be more of a fighter rather than being so focused on trying to get a consensus.

What would a vote for Romney do for you?


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

Luther and VV:

I too share your concerns, but I also agree with everything VV says.

I would only add that Romney's experience as a successful vulture capitalist does not qualify him to lead us out of our economic mess...in fact, his success therein bespeaks a mentality that disqualifies him. And his 20% across the board, 5 trillion dollar tax reduction fantasy suggests that he knows nothing of macro economics and the ultimate financial chaos such a misadventure would create.

Finally and most important, like W before him, he is another frat boy "tough guy" who supported and marched for the Viet Nam war, but found a safe way to avoid harm (picnics and bicycle rides in France on his 2 year Mormon Mission) while other guys served and sacrificed and died. This is hypocrisy at its most despicable.

I do not know if it is guilt or just plain ignorance, but Mitt has surrounded himself with the same set of George's neocons (also mostly non vets) who are ready to huff and puff and leads us into another military quagmire at the first possibility. I prefer Obama's and the Joint Chiefs more measured approach that has worked just fine for the last 4 years. The thought of Cheney and his gang of fools with their itchy little fingers on the trigger can only bring disaster.


Pat 4 years ago

How many times does he have to lie to you before you see that he is only in this for himself? My God, he lies every time he opens his mouth. Check out just who Obama is for yourself. Watch the documentary "2016." He hates America. He wants America to become an equal to other third world countries. America must come down so lesser countries can come up. He wants our nuclear war heads to drop to 300 while Russia maintains a number of 1500. He wants America to become equal to a third world country. That is when the Middle East will run us over. If you do not believe this just watch the documentary "2016". Scare the pants off anyone that fights for liberty around the world.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Pat

who's Mitt in this for?


Pat 4 years ago

@vv

Americans.


krafty11 4 years ago

This blinded hatred of President Obama has really got to stop. The country, through it's own arrogrance, put itself into a virtual bankruptcy and last I checked, NO ONE can pull themselves out of bankruptcy in FOUR YEARS!!! The president never promised (despite all the uninformed fear mongering rhetoric) to fix the economy in four years. He in fact said in his acceptance speech (For those who will actually bother to go back and LISTEN) it would in all likelihood take TWO TERMS to fix! I don't care if Lincoln's long-lost cousin sat in the White House! He wouldn't have gotten it done in four years either and neither will Romney! The ONLY thing the president PROMISED was that he would be the last man to tackle health-care. I remember the speech like it was yesterday and people really need to take a look at the facts.

In spite of all the 'The president's not getting anything done' nonsense, fact and history to this point will show that congress has gotten more done than they have in a long time. Neither side has been happy with what has resulted which means no one got all they went looking for. THAT is the sign of a REAL leader. Everyone knows the Romney has done an about face on practically everything he initially stood for just to get votes--all flash and no substance.

And this business with America's wealth--is it any wonder that we have the BIGGEST DISPROPORTION of wealth in the world and people think that this is okay?! SERIOUSLY?! People are tired of the rich getting over on them while they struggle with the problems that their arrogance created in the first place! They SHOULD be angry and demanding 'where is my piece!' Some work two and three jobs just to make ends meet and for the Romney and the Republicans to sit there and call them the lazy 47% is just sickening to me!

People really need to reevaluate what their so-called 'freedom' really is. I am more than certain that the freedom that the forefathers fought for is not this garbage being spewed out by every hateful, uniformed and uneducated (and PLEASE do go taking it out of context, you know full well what I mean) person intent on using their voting powers to cast a ballot for someone who has not shown for one minute he relates to the common person. I have NEVER known a Republican to support the common man and I'll be DAMNED if I'm blinded by their rhetoric and phony postering to believe it now. That's all. I'm done.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

krafty11

And well said


Robert 4 years ago

The news media is ignoring signs of mass revulsion towards President Obama. In the West Virginia Democrat primary, a felon got 40% of the vote versus Obama. In deep blue Massachusetts and Connecticut, GOP Senate candidates are even, or leading in recent polls. In pro-union Wisconsin, Walker won by a country mile. But worst of all for Mr. Obama, several recent polls show Romney competitive in Illinois -- Obama’s home state. Romney is actually winning by a landslide in the suburbs of Obama’s Chicago. Even in Cook County, the country’s biggest Democratic stronghold, Romney leads by double digits among independents (43-31) and white voters (53-40). These are very bad signs for Obama.


Sue 4 years ago

This is Carter/Reagan all over again. The same horrible economy. The same economically ignorant fool in the White House bringing misery to Americans. The same economic collapse under the weight of socialist, pro union, soak the rich, demonize the business owners, policies.


krafty11 4 years ago

None of this will change the fact that Romney is NOT QUALIFIED to be President. The post by Robert only quantifies what I've already said--this is based on nothing but anger and fear mongering and not applied to fact. I guess what was quoted in 'The American President' is true--"People are only interested in two things-- making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections." Sadly, none of this includes actual facts. Romney is two faced and has flip-flopped more times than I care to cover here. He is the wrong choice for President and no matter what people thinks about President Obama's oft-quoted statement that Romney stands to defend the very policies that made this mess in the first place, he is absolutely right. THAT ladies and gentlemen IS FACT!!!


krafty11 4 years ago

So Sue, you're saying it's okay to continue building wealth on the backs of hard working people who helped get them there in the first place--Is this correct? You're saying that it is okay to put the policies back in place (deregulation, etc.) that created this mess from the get go? No one watching is what led to this collapse and the wealthy NEED to be policed to prevent predatory practices from becoming commonplace again and sending the economy into another fragile state. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that this is morally sound!

And anyone else who mentions the word SOCIALISM just because they've heard it from everyone else without going to the dictionary and educating themselves, I have a little history lesson for them: U.S.S.R!!! We are nothing like the former country and need to STOP referencing ourselves to it!!!


Bart 4 years ago

Under classical socialism, the government owns the business in order to direct it to redistribute wealth. The Obama administration's nationalization of GM and Chrysler by buying their assets and appointing their boards is classical socialism and nearly identical to the British Labour government's nationalization of British Leyland in 1975.

In contrast, under German Zwangswirtshaft socialism, the government allows nominal private ownership of an industry, but uses its police, taxing and spending powers to direct industry operations to redistribute wealth. The Obama "clean energy economy" and Obamacare programs employ this type of socialism.


Jeremy 4 years ago

Another way to view our decline and slide toward Socialistic tendencies: The current occupiers of the WH have been very successful by their own standards -

* Creating and encouraging a massive dependency on Food Stamps

* Encouraging a massive jump in long-term disability signups

* Engineering the start of the government takeover of healthcare

* Getting to where 50% of people don't pay income tax, and where the growth of the welfare state cannot be stopped because of it's popular appeal.

* Creating a steady growth in all welfare programs

By and large, the success of the US has been because of the free enterprise system and the rewards for individualism and effort. There can be no denying that this is being eroded. Obama wants to see American exceptionalism destroyed, and that is consistent with his upbringing and mentors. By “socialist,” I do not mean a Lenin, Castro, or Mao, but whether Obama falls within the mainstream of contemporary socialism as represented, for example, by Germany’s Social Democrats, French Socialists, or Spain’s socialist-workers party. Obama is a Socialist by that criteria.


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

Two faced Chameleon?

Try Obama... check out the movie 2016 Obama's America, which is out now on DVD, in Redbox, available for download on the web... learn all about being two faced, that's what Obama is.

Look at all his promises from 2008... he didn't focus on fixing Washington, or the economy, or taxes, or anything other than ramming down America's throat Obamacare, and a bunch of other garbage and regulations that is crippling our economy.


krafty11 4 years ago

OBAMA'S AMERICA?!! REALLY?! WRONG!!! And once again, he made NO SUCH PROMISES to fix the economy in FOUR YEARS!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! HAS OUR HATRED GOTTEN THIS DEEP?!! The economy was crippled BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE!!! He specifically mentioned stopping the constant slide of jobs and getting the bleeding stopped and bandaged BEFORE we can ascend and once more, he made VERY clear that it would in all likelihood take TWO TERMS to fix! The bleeding has been stopped to the point that thousands, not MILLIONS of jobs are being shed. And before someone goes on a rant about that, yes. I realize that there are still jobs being lost but this is a MAJOR improvement over what it was in the uncertain economy we live in. You really think that Romney's so-called tax cuts are going to create jobs? BULL!!! The rich will just take THAT money and pocket IT as well and force workers to do more with less. THAT is what is crippling the economy!! Obama is correct, no one (middle class) will be able to spend on anything much less afford it if the rich get their way. They don't WANT a middle-class! They want the filthy-rich and the barely surviving poor. It makes my eyes hurt to read all of this propaganda nonsense because no one will take time to analyze ALL facts before jumping on a fear monger wagon!


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

Krafty... I'm all for people making up their own minds.

http://2016themovie.com/media/

Easy enough to watch a clip less than two minutes long, and then they can go from there, if they want to learn more about Obama or not.

There is a reason why our Nation is still struggling as if it is still 2008, and it has everything to do with who is running our Country and what his priorities are.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

That film clip looks like total propaganda

It implies that because Obama said that his father's dreams were his dreams, that he trying carried out that dream.

I think that's really reaching, but if his father's dream was freedom from colonialism which the clip seems to imply. I think that 's a good dream. America is all about freedom right?

In the same breath the clip, speaking about his father's dream implied that it included " the downsizing of America".

His father's dream was the downsizing of America?

It's talks about the founding fathers and liberty

when all or most of them were rich white slave owners

including Thomas Jefferson, who wrote all men a created equal

but never freed any of his slaves while he lived.

So obviously, the "all men are created equal" he was talking about was himself and the other rich, slave owning founding fathers, who didn't want to keep sharing their wealth with their King (they were British colonist) King George.

All lands discovered or colonized by British subjects belonged to the king and therefore this lead to the revolutionary war because they didn't want to keep paying a share of their goods (a tax) without any say so about it, or any other polices King George wanted to enact.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

The film clip didn't address the ugly history of the "founding fathers" being rich slave owners, but demanding freedom for themselves, while using them to try make a point.

And I'm sure the film won't address this either

So it looks to me, judging by the film clip, that the film is nothing but propaganda, designed to strike fear in those who are susceptible, because they already hate, dislike, or have conspiracy theories about president Obama, already.


krafty11 4 years ago

vveasey, I could not have said it better myself!


Marty 4 years ago

My personal belief is that Obama, like so many leftist radicals, has a strong distaste for pre-Obama America and that he believes that the United States has been an imperialistic international bully, that we've consumed too much of the world's resources, that we've been an environmental felon and that our capitalistic system unfairly and inequitably distributes income and wealth -- and I think he means to effect wholesale change to rectify those sins.

Do I believe that he wants to "destroy" America, as such? No. In his mind, as warped and foreign as I think it is, he doubtlessly believes he is helping to create a better America -- a utopia of sorts. That is, he is intentionally trying to fundamentally transform America into something that he believes would be better but that most Americans -- and infinitely more if they understood the full scope of what he is up to -- would consider horrific, an America that we would barely recognize as the one bequeathed to us by our ancestors.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

It's not only President Obama who has a "strong distaste" for what you call, pre-Obama America, so do the millions of Americans who voted for him and are voting for him again.

Because pre-Obama America was the very wonderful America of George W Bush, the lovely Dick Cheney and neocon war hawks.

Their America was so great that they knowingly attacked Iraq even though they knew they had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks and had no weapons of mass destruction. That has to be one of the shining moments of pre-Obama America.

When it came to light, that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no involvement in 9/11. Bush/Cheney and the neocons changed their tune from Saddam has weapons of mass distruction to "free the Iraqi people". So they both being capitalistic oil men, could gain control of the second largest oil field in the world. Just Lovely

And one of the most beautiful things about preObama America was, let us not forget, was although the neocons harp all day about the debt when it come to president Obama. They hardly made a peep when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were launched without being paid for. That's not hypocritical that's wonderful.

Then there was that most shining moment in preObama America when Bush/Cheney and the republican neocons caused one of the worst financial meltdowns in preObama American history.

Banks were failing, General Motors and Chrysler were about to go out of business etc, etc, etc, etc,.

Any American would have to be crazy not to want to go back to that America.


Bobby 4 years ago

Barack Obama Has Surpassed Buchanan as the Worst President Ever

Is it because he’s presiding over and contributing to the destruction of the mighty economic engine that is American capitalism? No. That’s bad, but not bad enough.

Is it because he and his cohorts are as crooked as a dog’s hind leg? No. That’s bad, but not bad enough.

It is because he has either allowed or deliberately ordered the sales of weapons to narco-terrorists in Mexico, using private enterprise as a conduit for the illegal, immoral sales, causing the deaths of at least 300 citizens and officials in Mexico as well as the death of at least one American Border Patrol Agent. Do you understand how huge that is? Can you imagine if GWB had sent arms to Al Queda in order to encourage their murderous thuggery in order to declare war against Iran? Do you think the media would have covered it?

With Fast and Furious, the information has been becoming available for months (as slowly as the administration can manage), yet the Demedia acts as if it is hermetically sealed. They are not pursuing the story; they are not reporting the story; they are not questioning the authorities. The Demedia is offensive. They are a 5th column within our country. Every American who still believes that justice should overcome political expediency should work to bring them to their knees.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

You say "Do you understand how huge that is? Can you imagine if GWB had sent arms to Al Queda in order to encourage their murderous thuggery in order to declare war against Iran?"

Nope, you're right. Even if what you say is true and I don't know if it is.

GWB, Knowingly attacking Iraq and killing thousands of their people and costing the lives of thousands of our soldiers for the 9/11 attacks, a crime the Iraqis didn't commit and for having weapons of mass destruction, that they didn't have, can't compare to that


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

And now there is proof the George W and team knew much more about the impending 9/11 attacks before they happened and did nothing to about it,

That definitely can't compare to "Fast And Furious" which was started under the George W's administration. It was in operation in 2007 under various names.

This is from a CBS report

"Operations Castaway and Too Hot to Handle are among a dozen or so other cases ATF operated that allegedly employed gunwalking in recent years including Florida, New Mexico, Texas and Arizona. In the Hernandez case, started under the Bush Administration in 2007, documents show ATF agents watched several suspects and weapons cross the border in coordination with Mexican officials who then failed to stop the suspects, so they were lost".


Juan 4 years ago

Wow, now the president is doing illegal fund raising and I can only find an article in one newspaper. All of the other papers are talking about Mitt's "Binders". If anyone knows business, they would know that a CEO gets details of business decisions in binders so they can have a meeting and make decisions. Politicians might not understand actual decision making based on logic and information presented.


Carl 4 years ago

Given the campaign landscape, Axlerod is now instructing Obama to use 'plan B': Bain, Big Bird and Binders. That will keep the lefties babbling away and distracted from all the actual issues of the campaign, and then when they lose bigger than shi+ the puffington host and chris matthews can begin complaining that the election was stolen because the Big Bird issue was not effectively communicated to the voters. Obama is so done right now it is depressing.


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2besure 4 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

Well, you have pretty much said what most people who really see Mitt for who he, say. He policies change from week to week. He can not be trusted. Thanks for sharing


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

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You're welcome!


Mark 4 years ago

Reuters is reporting tonight that, "Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show."

These emails were sent from the State Department’s Operations Center to the White House, Director of National Intelligence, Pentagon, and FBI, and the first email was sent within 1/2 hour of the start of the attack. Two hours after the attack began, a third email was sent, bearing the subject line, "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack".

The president then nipped off to bed, as he had to fly to an important campaign fundraiser in Las Vegas the next day.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

"In today's Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove asserts that Mitt Romney fundamentally altered the arc of the presidential race in the first debate because he came across as a "man with a plan." And it is surely the case that, despite the president's apparent win on points in Tuesday's debate, the race is a near dead heat. Mitt Romney must have earned a second hard look from a lot of voters who had been skeptical.

The problem is that what Rove calls a "plan" doesn't yet measure up. Romney, Paul Ryan, and their campaign need to give us answers to some of the hard questions about this plan. As the president asserted in the debate on Tuesday, what we have been told so far surely wouldn't have been enough for Romney to justify a Bain investment in him, and it surely shouldn't be enough to earn a vote.

Let's get specific: Rove acknowledges that the cornerstone to Romney's appeal is the public's belief that he will be better able to handle the economy. The centerpiece of that claim is his revenue-neutral, middle-class-protecting tax policy, a 20 percent marginal rate cut for all. This is the policy with the $5 trillion price tag over 10 years. That $5 trillion figure is a simple arithmetical extension of the current tax code and revenue figures, and is really not in dispute.

So to avoid adding to the deficit, how does Romney fill that gap? So far, he's only suggested limiting tax deductions and credits. In the debate, he suggested a $25,000 cap. But the Tax Policy Center, an independent research group, calculated that would only save about $1.3 trillion—leaving Romney a gargantuan $3.7 trillion short. In fact, even if he somehow eliminated every itemized deduction while cutting rates by 20 percent and eliminating the AMT, he would still only bring in $2 trillion dollars—less than half of what he needs.

Since Romney vigorously maintains that he will not add to the deficit with his tax plan, and since the only loophole closings that would actually raise sufficient revenue—the ones relating to mortgage payments, charitable contributions, state and local taxes, and health care premiums paid by employers—are off the table for middle-class taxpayers, according to Romney, there is clearly a gaping hole in the plan. This plan, in fact, is Swiss cheese.

Electing a candidate with a plan is one thing. Electing a candidate who is selling a mirage is something else altogether. If Romney wants the serious second look he is getting to continue, he owes the public a serious explanation for why this plan would work. Ryan's answer that he didn't have enough time to explain the plan surely didn't inspire confidence.

The burden of proof when running for the presidency of the United States of America should be higher than, "Trust me. I'll tell you later."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/spitzer/2012/10/18/romn...


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mark

Many times groups or individuals have taken credit for acts they didn't commit because they wanted the notoriety attached to committing that act.

So if some group or individual claims to take credit for some act of violence. That claim still has to be investigated to see if it's true and can't be accept totally on face value, because they claim they did it.

And that takes time.


Rufus 4 years ago

Listen, what happened to our country under this President was so predictable, but people were swept up in the fervor of electing the first black President and quite frankly remove the white guilt...What did they get? They got an incompetent, unqualified myth...The man was a myth! No one really knew him...he came from out of nowhere...It is unbelievable to me that the MSM is still spinning their wheels for this guy...they are so invested in his ideology that they sold their souls in 2008...they have protected him for four years, but he has been unmasked..The man is not the intelligent genius the MSM lets you believe he is...it is an insult to mankind that they have created a myth, and they stick by this guy till the end...If Romney wins, they will give him a hard time...believe me..but I think under Romney the economy will start to improve, he will get rid of the regulations, the Czars, and put the unions back in their place...it will be a fight..but our country is worth fighting for. I believe they are running scared..


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danielrobertkelly 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

Rufus, here's the thing, the economy has started to improve, look at the numbers yourself. It takes years to recover what was lost. Look at history. Then, realize that Mitt Romney's promises are simply reiterations of what is _already forecast to happen_.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/18/r...

Spending has been reigned in. Just go look at the numbers yourself, google the data on spending vs. GDP. Its clear. The binge never happened.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-bi...

Perpetuating this D'Souza style mass psychology nonsense is just ridiculous. Or are you saying that it's OK to start pointing out that there's just a very large section of the population who are only voting for Mitt because he is a white man (or against Barack because he's not white)?

As far as plans go, have you read that thing on the Romney site? It's 8 pages long. The first 3 pages are dedicated to an opinion piece about the President. The last two are the appendix which is a collection of references, some of which contradict the positions in the preceding pages.

The only myth is the idea that this is a failed presidency, and that Mitt Romney has a plan beyond profiteering.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

danielrobertkelly

Amen Brother!


Kyle 4 years ago

After nearly four years in the White House our ceremonial President is presiding over the weakest recovery of modern times. He presides over low growth, high unemployment, and trillion dollar deficits every year of his presidency. All he is offering the electorate in the next four years is more of the same. Jimmy Carter could not get reelected with such a shaky strategy, and neither will Obama. Furthermore, last month his foreign policy went poof right in front of him. His nonsense about leading from behind, deferring to international organizations, and paying obeisance to Arab militants has been seen for what it is, a warrant for invading our diplomatic installations in foreign lands. In Libya the animals slaughtered our ambassador, and the evidence is clear, to wit, the ambassador was seeking more security at the time of his death and being rebuffed. Remember Benghazi!


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danielrobertkelly 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

By all means then, return us to the unilateral, lead with military force borrowed from the future while flipping the bird to the international community, and guaranteeing a future of resource wars.

http://www.classwarfareexists.com/wp-content/uploa...

Romney will not lead the world anywhere but back to resource wars.

As for Jimmy Carter, again, I say look to the numbers, and the long term effects of the Reagan years. First, who was responsible for the economy:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm

And the numbers, in hindsight, support that with Carter the economy was on the mend. Government spending was declining. Unemployment was nearing its end.

The Reagan-Bush years turned that around in a hurry and gave us the Savings and Loan crisis (based on deregulation and speculative derivative investments), Black Monday, Star Wars, and cheap cocaine on the streets in order to arm and train terrorist proxy wars around the world.

In Latin America, those proxy warriors killed thousands, and disappeared entire villages. Then that money, family money, founded Bain Capital.

http://wonkette.com/480456/mitt-romney-more-reagan...

(This isn't being even remotely argued against by Romney and Bain, except to say,"it's confidential, but trust us, we checked.")

This status quo argument is BS. As is the "leading from behind" and deferment, or any of the other easy to pronounce and distribute talking points currently circulating. What's going on here is some sort of "I'm rubber you're glue" campaigning, that only works if you're willing to give the presidency to those who have paid the most for it. 90% of Romney supporters are being convinced to vote against their own best interests, and the interest of the future.

As just one example, had only the Carter initiatives on domestic green energy development held, we wouldn't even be discussing who the leader in advanced clean energy production was. Instead, we elected an actor, who wanted space weapons instead of limitless clean energy (All solar research facilities except one immediately shuttered).

Think beyond your lifetime. You like coal? Coal, oil, gas, and, by extension, water will run out in a fossil fueled vision. Maybe not before you're dead, but before my children are. Thanks Kyle, thanks a lot for your prescience.


Stacy 4 years ago

This message is for people with IQ's over 100 that realize that you're paying $2 a gallon MORE than you were 4 years ago, that you've paid $2000 more in insurance premiums over the last 3 years and/or don't have a decent job yet. Don't pay attention to the trolls...just go and vote early while the rest of em whine and wait for the government dole. All you conservatives out there, don't waste your time. See if your local public library is open for polling today and get out there!


Zach 4 years ago

Obama wanted to be President. Well, he is President. And for the last four years he has been complaining about being President. Being President is soooo harrrd for little Barry. He must get really tired from destroying this nation. I feel sooo sorry for him.


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danielrobertkelly 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

Voting on the price of gas is not what people with IQ's over 100 do, sorry. Since by "troll" I assume you mean someone who is posting information you don't like, here's someone on your "side" to show you what I mean.

http://www.istockanalyst.com/finance/story/6013675...

Sure, better to elect someone who is complaining about everyone who is not like him. I feel sorry for the president having to even entertain a debate with an individual like Mitt Romney. It's like debating how to make more cookies in the cookie jar with the person who stole them all in the first place and blamed you for there not being any left.

It's vitally important that we all realize immediately that a vote for today's Right is a vote to sell the country to the few who can pay for it.


Guess 4 years ago

Look, I get that in your mind vv that you view Obama as the "messiah president", but have you looked at the legitimate facts to this all. Obama has no clue what to do so he has resorted to acting like a child. Remember back in elementary school where people would make names up from people's last name. This is exactly what Obama is doing. Instead of trying to fix the economy, he is acting like a ten year old and playing not only the blame game, but also the name game.

Also, there is no point expecting me to comment back on anything else you post regarding this hub.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Guess

No I think you are confusing me with yourself, if you think I see President Obama as a "messiah president". That's your term not mine.

I could say that you see Mitt as a "messiah" you hope to be president. I bet you never post anything remotely resembling criticism of your Messiah Mitt Romney.

As far as you not commenting back on this hub, thank you I appreciate that.


Guess 4 years ago

Ive decided to pull an Obama and break my promise here. As a matter of fact, I do disagree with some of the things Romney has said, the main one is the 47% comment. However, all that you have tried to do is say that because Romney changed his views during the campaign to encompass the views of his running mates, he should not be president. What this showed instead is that he is willing to listen and bridge a gap between each of the republican candidates.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Guess

I knew you couldn't stay away. And it has diddly squat to do with deciding to "pull an Obama".

You say "all that you have tried to do is say that because Romney changed his views during the campaign to encompass the views of his running mates, he should not be president."

I think that's a good reason but it damn sure ain't the only reason.

Now let's switch that around to "all that you have tried to do is say that because Obama changed his views during the campaign to encompass the views of his running mates, he should not be president".

Suppose president Obama had changed his views to the complete opposite of what he firmly claimed to believe as much as Romney has.

Honestly, What would you be saying about Obama if he did that?

I bet you wouldn't be making excuses for him like you're doing for Romney would ya?


Guess 4 years ago

Look okay, You have suddenly made this assumption that I worship the ground that Romney walks on. Obama would not have that statement because he had no running mates and for the past four years has been thinking selfishly. You remember how he claims he got Bin Laden. He did as the commander in chief, but he delayed the action for three months and during that time wanted to just bomb the area. Second, when Obama declared who got Bin Laden, that was one of the most self-centered acts because it put those Seals in danger because people now knew who did it. It was supposed to be a secret. Don't believe me, read the book No Easy Day. Have you even read about what Obama did before he was elected president. Yes he served on the senate, but he voted "present" 130 times. This means that he was here. Basically that means he held no leadership whatsoever because he didn't take a side.

Also the only reason unemployment isn't 10% is because of the fact that the labor force has dropped by quite a bit leading to the unemployment rate staying at 8%. And also, the rose garden speech that Obama made after the attack on the ambassador was not about the ambassador. It was refering to 9/11. During the debate the moderator spoke out at Romney about that HOWEVER after the debate she apologized to the public saying that she was wrong about the rose garden speech. And you're right, I can not stay away, because I am trying to do a part to get people to stop being so ridiculous and to try to get them to focus on what hasn't been accomplished in the past four years.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Guess

You say "Look okay, You have suddenly made this assumption that I worship the ground that Romney walks on. "

That statement is hypocritical because you made that assumption about me first, when you said "Look, I get that in your mind vv that you view Obama as the "messiah president"

Now you have the nerve or maybe it's just the intellectual blindness about the hypocracy of that statement, that 's allows you to be taken aback, or affended and now say that that's what I'm saying about you.

lastly You say "I can not stay away, because I am trying to do a part to get people to stop being so ridiculous and to try to get them to focus on what hasn't been accomplished in the past four years."

Then you should be able to appreciate the fact that I and others feel just as strongly about Romney and are trying enlighten you and others about what we see as his weak points.

So if you're on some type of crusade or see yourself as some type of a savior, and think you know how to assess Romney or President Obama better than I or others do, not only is that blindly arrogant, your sadly mistaken and you're wasting your time.


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danielrobertkelly 4 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

In 100 years, as historians consider what we as a nation failed to do, when we had the technology, to avert the end of oil, they will look at three moments:

The moment we elected a movie star with a brain disease over a man who tried to make solar a national priority.

The moment we elected (sort of) a C-student playboy who would lie America into war over a man who was instrumental in reversing deficit spending, and had a real vision for future technologies and the investment in them.

and now, you think that we should elect a man who calls the new technology economy "imaginary" and "likes coal" and who's experience boils down to pirate economics and moral flexibility when it comes to funding. Look back at history. Beyond the nonsense you are being fed by email forwards, SEO tuned blog posts about "truth," and talking head media. The internet was made originally to have access to data, and the data is very clear. The GOP has been sucking the life out of the economy every chance it gets for the last 25 years and blaming everyone else for the effects, every time. A Romney/Ryan ticket is a poster perfect example of two politicians who will do it bigger than ever before.

Time is up.


Nole 4 years ago

Face reality, libtards and progressivetards. A right wing tsunami is brewing and it is starting to roll. And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. People more intelligent than you and better than you are about to clown slap your azz to the curb. You have the right to free speech but that does not mean we have to listen to you. You have the right to vote but that doesn't mean we have to follow you down your path of failure. We will save you from yourself.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Nole

Self -Arrogant building yourself up to make yourself feel special and thinking that you're some kind of savior who can save everyone but yourself.

I agree that you too " have the right to vote but that doesn't mean we have to follow you down your path of failure".

But we don't need you we will save ourselves."


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

The Republican Party is full of Racists

"Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a self-identified Republican who was Gen. Colin Powell's chief of staff during his time as secretary of state, did not take too kindly to a recent accusation -- from Mitt Romney's controversial campaign co-chair John Sununu -- that Powell only endorsed Barack Obama for president because they're both black. Sununu would later backtrack, but the damage was done.

Wilkerson, who is white, didn't mince words on MSNBC'sThe Ed Show Friday night. "To say that Colin Powell would endorse President Obama because of his skin color is like saying Mother Teresa worked for profit," he said. And although he gave Sununu a bit of a pass, blaming his statement on an "unfortunate" choice of words, Wilkerson had much harsher words for the GOP as a whole.

"Let me just be candid," he said. "My party is full of racists. And the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin. And that's despicable."

from the Root webpage http://www.theroot.com/buzz/former-powell-chief-st...


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mp2525 4 years ago from Los Angeles

Col. Wilkerson's concise and honest statement regarding GOP racism, trumps every other argument put forth by Romney Supporters/Obama Detractors.

The fuller colorization of America is going to happen regardless of all of the sound and fury emanating from the twisted thinking of those who have been thoroughly brainwashed by the most expensive, massive barrage of right wing disinformation ever.

The fear of this eventuality is, of course, ridiculous. But until those who harbor such deep racist feelings are able to free themselves of their prejudices, they will never be able to make clear headed decisions as to what is in their best interests and in the best interests of our country.

It is all so reminiscent of Govenor Wallace standing in the doorway trying to prevent integration...trying to prevent a better future from happening. It is time to get out of the doorway and start lending a hand in building that better future.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

mp2525

Amen Brother!


Dale 4 years ago

@mp2525

If you are going to give history lessons, you really ought to know the history instead of making things up. Johnson was the biggest racist President this country has ever had. He and JFK were actually opposed to the civil rights movement but when it became politically expedient then Johnson signed the bill. You can fool ignorant people but you cannot fool those who truly know the history and the truth. Too bad this is how the democrats operate today, lie, lie and then lie some more until it becomes a sort of truth that is still false. I think the Republicans have lost there way as well, but I still see more truth and integrity from them than I have the Democrats in my lifetime. I love how you twisted the truth of history to be on the democratic side, when that really has not been the case. There have been racists in the Republican party, but as a whole they are not. I dont think the majority of democrats are either, your typical American democrat anyway. But the party leaders the dems have today, they certainly do have some racism going on. It is just veiled under the guise of compassion, a false compassion. Who opposed the Voting Rights Act? Democrats.

Also, Governor Wallace was a Democrat.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Dale

there are democrate who are racists and there are democrates

who aren't racist.

some goes for republicans


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Nole

Hahahaha that's so funny I forgot to laugh

you're suffering from delusions of grandeur

and self-inflicted anger


Nole 4 years ago

Reality Today...It is hard for the Obama morons to breathe when their heads are up his azz.

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You suck, Barry. Please resign and save us the trouble of clown slapping you back to Chi-town


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Same thing for you. makes you feel good just spewing anger and venom talking about saving you the trouble of doing something that will never happen in reality


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Nole

I guess calling people names and just making fun of people makes people like you feel good about yourself and that's all it does. and it doesn't change anybodies minds, if only affects you.

I have a great idea for you.

Instead of spiting piss and vinegar on my hub, sign up for a hubpages account and write your own hubs, and let others comment on your hubs...and you can spit all the piss and vinegar you want.

You can lay out all your arguments for the world to see and agree or disagree with

but I fear it's much easier for you to spit piss and vinegar on my hub than to put the time and effort into writing your own hubs, if you even can write your own hubs


Rachel 4 years ago

I'm actually British, and here we're really worried that Romney will get in power - he's two faced, delusioned, power hungry and self-obsessed; none of which are qualities you want in a leader of the people.

Now I am most definitely not saying Obama's perfect, but the deficit? We're in the middle of a recession, it's not going to resolve itself overnight. Cutting military? So are many other contries around the world and anyway, conflicts are often resolved through intelligence and deal-making; war is evolving.

But same-sex marriage; how can you be against that?! The only argument available is that of religion, and religion should be seperate from state that's just how it goes. Why should you deny people the chance to be happy? As long as they love each other and they care for one another, why should they not do as their hetrosexual counterparts?

And another thing - Romney has made mention of wanting to restore America to it's former power. In this day and age surely what we should be aiming for is strong allegiances between countries trying to sort out this planet-wide mess we've got ourselves into.

If it's universally accepted in another freaking country that you shouldn't touch him with a bargepole, then why oh why can those closest to him not see it?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rachel

thanks for commenting.

That's why they were calling him Mitt The Twit in England

A lot of his followers want so badly to get the black guy out of the office of the president, that they're blinded by it, that's why they can't see what you see.

Read this by a Republican who backs up what I just said

The Republican Party is full of Racists

"Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a self-identified Republican who was Gen. Colin Powell's chief of staff during his time as secretary of state, did not take too kindly to a recent accusation -- from Mitt Romney's controversial campaign co-chair John Sununu -- that Powell only endorsed Barack Obama for president because they're both black. Sununu would later backtrack, but the damage was done.

Wilkerson, who is white, didn't mince words on MSNBC'sThe Ed Show Friday night. "To say that Colin Powell would endorse President Obama because of his skin color is like saying Mother Teresa worked for profit," he said. And although he gave Sununu a bit of a pass, blaming his statement on an "unfortunate" choice of words, Wilkerson had much harsher words for the GOP as a whole.

"Let me just be candid," he said. "My party is full of racists. And the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin. And that's despicable."

from the Root webpage http://www.theroot.com/buzz/former-powell-chief-st


Rerun 4 years ago

When a president has done as poor a job as Barack Obama, you vote him out. Hopefully that is what will happen next week. Obama has overseen some of our worst years and has not improved one thing. But I am feeling sorry for the weak minded Bush blamers and their child-like insistence that O simply didn't have time to fix it all. Four years is plenty, time to move our arrogant failure out of our WH and a real leader in. Not to mention, the removing of O will surely save an unfathomable amount of jet fuel in AF1.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

News Alert!

Mitt has changed his position so many time that now even the largest newspaper in, Utah, The Salt Lake Tribune, has endorsed President Obama for reelection as president

click this link to read it or just read the article below

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/r

(Tribune endorsement: Too Many Mitts

Obama has earned another term

First Published Oct 19 2012 12:13 pm • Last Updated Oct 24 2012 03:41 pm

Nowhere has Mitt Romney’s pursuit of the presidency been more warmly welcomed or closely followed than here in Utah. The Republican nominee’s political and religious pedigrees, his adeptly bipartisan governorship of a Democratic state, and his head for business and the bottom line all inspire admiration and hope in our largely Mormon, Republican, business-friendly state.

But it was Romney’s singular role in rescuing Utah’s organization of the 2002 Olympics from a cesspool of scandal, and his oversight of the most successful Winter Games on record, that make him the Beehive State’s favorite adopted son. After all, Romney managed to save the state from ignominy, turning the extravaganza into a showcase for the matchless landscapes, volunteerism and efficiency that told the world what is best and most beautiful about Utah and its people.

In short, this is the Mitt Romney we knew, or thought we knew, as one of us.

Sadly, it is not the only Romney, as his campaign for the White House has made abundantly clear, first in his servile courtship of the tea party in order to win the nomination, and now as the party’s shape-shifting nominee. From his embrace of the party’s radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"

The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney’s next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.

More troubling, Romney has repeatedly refused to share specifics of his radical plan to simultaneously reduce the debt, get rid of Obamacare (or, as he now says, only part of it), make a voucher program of Medicare, slash taxes and spending, and thereby create millions of new jobs. To claim, as Romney does, that he would offset his tax and spending cuts (except for billions more for the military) by doing away with tax deductions and exemptions is utterly meaningless without identifying which and how many would get the ax. Absent those specifics, his promise of a balanced budget simply does not pencil out.

If this portrait of a Romney willing to say anything to get elected seems harsh, we need only revisit his branding of 47 percent of Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, yet feel victimized and entitled to government assistance. His job, he told a group of wealthy donors, "is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Where, we ask, is the pragmatic, inclusive Romney, the Massachusetts governor who left the state with a model health care plan in place, the Romney who led Utah to Olympic glory? That Romney skedaddled and is nowhere to be found.

And what of the president Romney would replace? For four years, President Barack Obama has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to pull the nation out of its worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression, a deepening crisis he inherited the day he took office.

In the first months of his presidency, Obama acted decisively to stimulate the economy. His leadership was essential to passage of the badly needed American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Though Republicans criticize the stimulus for failing to create jobs, it clearly helped stop the hemorrhaging of public sector jobs. The Utah Legislature used hundreds of millions in stimulus funds to plug holes in the state’s budget.

The president also acted wisely to bail out the auto industry, which has since come roaring back. Romney, in so many words, said the carmakers should sink if they can’t swim.

Obama’s most noteworthy achievement, passage of his signature Affordable Care Act, also proved, in its timing, his greatest blunder. The set of comprehensive health insurance reforms aimed at extending health care coverage to all Americans was signed 14 months into his term after a ferocious fight in Congress that sapped the new president’s political capital and destroyed any chance for bipartisan cooperation on the shredded economy.

Obama’s foreign policy record is perhaps his strongest suit, especially compared to Romney’s bellicose posture toward Russia and China and his inflammatory rhetoric regarding Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Obama’s measured reliance on tough economic embargoes to bring Iran to heel, and his equally measured disengagement from the war in Afghanistan, are examples of a nuanced approach to international affairs. The glaring exception, still unfolding, was the administration’s failure to protect the lives of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, and to quickly come clean about it.

In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney’s domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.

Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.) The Salt Lake Tribune

Oooo Weee. Can you believe it?

The Salt Lake Tribune endorses President Obama for president.

They said it better than I could

Even more reason no one should vote for Mitt Romney, even Romney himself!


Ellis 4 years ago

Liberalism is a politics of poverty, envy and despair. Liberals often attack people like Mr. Clarence Thomas, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Dr. Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell and other black conservatives because they aren’t considered “authentic blacks.” As Harvard Law School Professor Lani Guinier famously wrote against Mr. Thomas in a 1991 article in the Michigan Law Review, "Black representatives are authentic" when they are "politically, psychologically, and culturally black."

In the eyes of liberal academics, black conservatives "made it" without acknowledging the aid of white liberal paternalism and their omnipresent civil rights and affirmative action programs. Their independence is the reason these black conservatives are reviled.

So why do black people always vote for the Democratic Party? Because for the past 75 years since the socialist FDR came to power, socially and culturally blacks have been indoctrinated to follow, follow, follow. From antiquity, they followed the African tribal chief and the shaman. During slavery, we followed ‘masser’ and the overseer and did what we were told. The next 100 years after 1865 and the Civil War during de jure and de facto segregation, we followed poverty-pimp preachers and civil rights activists (not Martin Luther King) who told us that by voting Democrat, God would bless black people through government handouts, a minimum wage and good government jobs.

But welfare and government programs have destroyed the black family. Today, we proudly follow our first black president, Barack Obama, despite the fact that this president has done more harm to America in his first year than any other U.S. president in history.

Admittedly, I don’t have a complete answer to my own questions, but this one thing I know: If my people will honestly face and overcome their four greatest enemies: promiscuity, ignorance, crime and pathology, then, out of necessity, they will stop the Groupthink mentality that keeps them on the Democratic plantation. Then they will take responsibility for the life choices they make without reliance on government. Collectively, blacks need to regain the moral and intellectual standards they had in the 1920s. Only then will blacks stop voting against their moral, economic and political interests and be truly set free.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Ellis

thanks for commenting and so passionately

You makes some good points

Are black people the only ones who do Groupthink?

How would you have gotten enslaved blacks out of slavery in a country whose slogan was all men are created equal?

I would you have ended the long history of Jim Crow laws and black codes?

How would you have gotten unions, trade guilds and other skilled trade unions, to stop shutting black workers out of their organizations?

How would you've have stopped the practice of blacks having to recite their state constitution and if they couldn't , not being allowed to vote? etc, etc, etc,

I think if it would be helpful is you would come up with complete or more complete answers to the question you raise


Spud 4 years ago

I predict MSNBC will be the most watched channel on election night, and Chris Matthews leg tingle, will be replaced an extreme anxiety attack. If you sit close to the screen, make sure you wear a raincoat, I expect Matthews to spit like crazy and foam at the mouth.

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