Why Obama is Wrong for the United States

Change You Can Believe In, or Change We Should Be Afraid Of?

Let me start out by saying that I see myself as an anti-partisan person. I do not see myself as Republican or Democrat. I agree with the Democrats on several issues, the Republicans on others, and with various independent groups on other issues. I see myself as a fiscal conservative with some liberal social leanings. Take from that what you will. Having said that, I turn to the issues on my mind today.

With the election drawing closer and closer, a lot of attention has been drawn to each candidate as a person. CNN did a story on both Barack Obama and John McCain, detailing the lives of the candidates. I watched both. They were very interesting and did give me an insight on who each candidate is as a person. I want to know as much about both of them as I can.

A lot of attention has been given to who these people surround themselves with and who they associate with. While I don't believe that anyone should be guilty by association, there is something to be said for judging a person based on the types of people they surround themselves with; who they accept help from, and who they go to for guidance and advice.

If you see a person who associates mainly with criminal types, you see them as falling into those same lines. If you see someone who surrounds himself with smart, successful people, that person is seen as more in line with those smart, successful people. All of us knows that one person, you know the one I am talking about, that one friend who hasn't made all the right choices, yet you stand by them, because you are their friend. That isn't what I am talking about. I am talking about if all your friends were like that, more than likely, you would share behaviors and interests with them, and should, rightfully so, be judged, to an extent, on that. Now, I agree, that this is not always 100% accurate, but it is a good judge of how a person sees themselves, or how they want to be seen.

What do you say about a person who surrounds themselves with radicals, criminals and terrorists? Do you see that person as someone you can trust? Or do you see that person as someone who may be dangerous to the United States of America? Welcome to the world of Chicago politics!

Leader of America?
Leader of America?
Obama worship at it's most stupid
Obama worship at it's most stupid

Reverend J. Wright is "Oh So Wrong!"

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, and former pastor of Barack Obama, sparked headlines for weeks, after several divisive, ant-American, anti-white and terribly offensive comments surfaced that were made by Rev. Wright.

The man that Barack Obama went to for spiritual advice was spreading hate throughout his church, and yet Obama denied knowing anything about it? Rev. Wright's worst comments came only five days after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the country. He said,"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now, we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

He made this comment, and yet Obama never heard anything about it? Come on! Be serious! An African-American church is much more than just a church. It is a social gathering, an entity all it's own. It is far different from the average church, where you show up on Sunday, nod politely to the people you run into, and then go home and go about your lives. It is a close-knit thing. If the comments made by Rev. Wright were out of character for him, Obama would have heard something about it. He claims to have never heard anything along those lines. That is truly hard to believe. If these comments were not out of character for Rev. Wright, then was he a member of this church, and never once attended services? I doubt that, as well.

Later on, after these statements were brought to light, Obama distanced himself from Rev. Wright, and made a fuss of saying that he did not agree with the statements made by Rev. Wright, but how can we believe that he truly feels this in his heart, if he would not even be honest about hearing such statements in the first place?

Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a hate-filled, anti-American radical. And this man had influence on Barack Obama. The title for Barack Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope, came from one of Rev. Wright's sermons. He obviously had an impact and an effect on Barack Obama. The only question is how much?

Obama and Rev. Wright
Obama and Rev. Wright

Rev. Wright

The "Weatherman", Bill Ayers

Some of you are old enough to know who Bill Ayers is, and some of you have no clue who he was. I was in the latter group. I had to look it up. I wasn't even born when his radical terrorist group was blowing up buildings. Bill Ayers started as a member of a group called Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). They were a radical, anti-American group hoping to bring about a classless world, or world communism.

Bill Ayers then joined an off-shoot of the SDS, known as the Weatherman, aka The Weather Underground. This group was even more radical that the SDS. They were violent, domestic terrorists. Though Ayers was never convicted, the Weatherman were responsible for the bombing of the New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, The U.S. Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972. Several quotes by Ayers chill me to the bone.

The first being, "Kill all the rich people...Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents." This man actually told the youth of America that they should kill their parents! He has never showed remorse. He even said, in 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." He does not regret anything he has done, and wishes he had done more? How much would have satisfied him?

Now, while all this is interesting information, you may be asking yourselves, 'what does this have to do with Barack Obama?' A lot, actually. This man has ties to Obama. They served together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. OK, so what? I am sure there were other people on that board as well.

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn (also a member of The Weather Underground), hosted meetings at their Chicago home in order to introduce Barack Obama to their neighbors during Obama's first run for Illinois Senate. Obama has said that Ayers is a respectable, upstanding man. How can you respect someone who still has immense hatred for the country you want to lead? How can you respect someone who has never apologized for setting bombs, and even said he wishes they they had done more? Doesn't that seem a little wrong?

In Ayer's 2001 book, Fugitive Days, Ayers talked of his time with the Weatherman and his continued hatred for the United States. Barack Obama received funding for his Senate campaign from Ayers. He received campaign funding from a terrorist!

One quote from Ayers seems eerily similar to statements made by Barack Obama. It says, "Even though we think of ourselves as political, we weren't politicians. We were people who had a moral vision of what was possible. And when we talk, for example, about health care, about peace, we're talking a language of ethics, not a language of instrumentalism or opportunism, or what we might get. So we have to speak in a language that's large and generous and encompassing. And then we have to act." What else will we learn in the days to come? I can only imagine.

Bill Ayers Chicago Mugshot Photo
Bill Ayers Chicago Mugshot Photo
Prefessor William Ayers today
Prefessor William Ayers today

Tony Rezko and the Question of Corruption

In Illinois, much attention lately has been brought to the issues of corruption in the state government. Tony Rezko's name has been in the news almost non-stop. His ties to Obama have been brought up, but that seems to be ignored on the national level. I don't think it should be. Some have said that this really isn't an issue. I don't see it that way. Corruption is always a valid issue, and always should be.

Tony Rezko is a convicted felon, and he is also one of Obama's first major financial contributors. Rezko was indicted on federal charges of wire and mail fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery. He was found guilty of 16 of the 24 charges brought against him. He was convicted of corruption charges involving him trading in on his influence as a top advisor and fundraiser for IL Governor, Rod Blagojevich.

Issues as to the deal Obama got in the purchase of his million dollar mansion have been raised. Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price for his mansion, while the wife of Tony Rezko paid full price for the vacant lot right next door. The seller of the mansion owned both the mansion and the vacant lot adjacent to it, and wanted to sell them both at the same time. In order to help Barack Obama out, Rezko's wife purchased the adjacent lot on the same day that Barack Obama purchased the mansion, which has four fireplaces and a wine cellar.

A short time later, the Obamas purchased a 10-foot by 150-foot piece of that adjacent lot for $104,500, even though it was only valued at $40,500! Other questions have been raised about government favors given to Rezko in connection with the help that Rezko offered to Obama. But the truth remains, the taint of corruption has touched Barack Obama, and I hardly believe that he had no knowledge of what Rezko was doing. Rezko used his influence and association with powerful people to attempt to get away with very serious crimes, and it is hard to believe that those who benefitted from that, including Barack Obama, and Rod Blagojevich, had no knowledge of this.

Tony Rezko
Tony Rezko

Rezko, Blago and the connection to Obama

A Scary Future

I shudder to think what the world will be like if Barack Obama is elected President. He has shown, to me at least, to be very un-American. I see him as weak, inexperienced and a danger to this country. We are Americans, and on whole, we are proud of that.

Look at the Olympics. We are winning medals left and right. We like to win, we like to be #1! I don't feel that Barack Obama stands for that. I feel that if he were to be elected president, we would lose further ground on a global level. That leaves us weak to attack and even more dependant on other countries. We need to be reminded that we are #1, and that we are a super-power. We need to focus on what makes us great, instead of pandering to everyone else.

I am really glad that Germany loves Barack Obama, big deal. They love "The Hoff", too. Not a really great endorsement. I want a President that has the interests of this country at heart, not the interests of everyone else. We need to re-assert our dominance. Especially with all the current issues in the world right now, from Russia's invasion of Georgia, to North Korea and Iran's advancing nuclear programs. We need a leader who will stand strong against those that threaten us. With everything I see, I don't see that person as being Barack Obama.

You may not agree with me; that's fine. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I am just voicing my opinion. I am exercising my right to freedom of speech. I don't care if I offend you. I have that right. Just as Reverend Wright has the right to say hateful things about this country. Do I agree with him? Obviously not. Do I think his influence on Obama is a good thing? NO WAY! But, I never said he wasn't entitled to his opinions. Just as I am entitled to mine. I am sure some people reading this will send me angry messages. That's fine. Tell me how you feel.

Years Later

I look back at this and see how right I was. I said Obama was weak, inexperienced and UN-American. I hate that I was right. I wish I had been wrong, but I see now, that I was right all along. I am working on a follow up to this, and I will provide a link to it here. I hope that we can correct all the damage he has done to this country.

© 2008 Anna Marie Bowman

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poetryman6969 16 months ago

After Giuliani said that Obama does not love America my thinking was Obama hopes you will change because he does not like you.


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Anna Marie Bowman 4 years ago from Florida Author

RavenBiker-- I am closer to a Libertarian, myself, though I don't really feel I fall into any specific party. And being a Libertarian, I would think Obama's push for even bigger government would be a very big reason to not vote for him. Don't most Libertarians support limited government involvement in the people's private lives? Obama's policies go against that in every way; more government control, more regulation, more government. I do agree with you that both candidates lack in certain areas, but in my mind, we need a president who is going to focus more on the issues of job growth and fiscal responsibility, and Obama has proven that he doesn't care about either of those.


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RavenBiker 4 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA.

I found this hub interesting but, unfortunately, never concluded much in substance.

I did not vote for Mr. Obama because on the surface, at the time, I agreed with you. But as for "Four Years Later", your conclusions were further unmet. Other than your objection to Mr. Obama's "influences", you haven't proven anything.

My distrust for Mr. Obama, and the Republican hopefull, Mr. Romeny, is steeped in them not addressing, in my view, three important issues:

1. Foreign Policy

2. Monetary Policy (not to be confused with the Budget Policy)

3. And an appropriate Domestic Policy that addresses infrastruture.

The Libertarian that I am, I have found Mr. Obama's administration rather centrist----quite opposite of the "boogey man" nature or the things you had brought up in your hub. Mr. Romeny is a Fake. I'm voting for Obama if a Libertarian canidate is not offered at my polling station.


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Anna Marie Bowman 5 years ago from Florida Author

Thomas-- With Trump potentially gearing up for a run as president, the issue of Obama's birth certificate has resurfaced. People nominated for the office of President are vetted and all areas of their life are thoroughly scoured for anything that could be used against them. I don't think they would miss something like that.


Thomas1957 5 years ago

Hello Ms. Bowman,

Truth is the utmost necessity during this very great calamity; and, these matters of Kenyan birth and Indonesian citizenship shall become the crux of Obama's downfall along with every puppetry he portrays while misrepresenting Americans!

It has been 'Communism' which has hidden his actual Kenyan birthplace and it has been 'Islam' which has hidden his actual Indonesian citizenship.

You can see his actual birth certificate online since October 2010:

Go to www.wasobamaborninkenya.com


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Anna Marie Bowman 6 years ago from Florida Author

tom-- I am working on a follow-up to this hub. Taking a line from Ben Quayle. "The Worst President in History". Shaping up to be a good article.


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tom hellert 6 years ago from home

AMB,

Your next hub should be

Dear Liberal DREGS - I TOLD YOU OBAMA WAS A WASTE ANS A RADICAL ISLAMIST< USELESS INEXPERIENCE IDIOLOG_

....

But Some of the Kool Aide drinkers here wont hear or think he is doing anything wrong... No matter how big a dunce obama and Biden turn out to be- You will still et the bluebelly liberals that will try to knock you down.... Obama scandel after scandel, incident after incident, gaff after gaff, anti american position after anti american position-

He already after 18 months is possibly thre most far left and therefore THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER...EVER CARTER HAS GOT TO BE HAPPY HE JUST GOT PASSED - GOING the wrong way by OBAMA- who should not even be president- if he has proof- whyt not show it and shut us all up...

OH I know because he CAN'T

THIS WAS A GREAT GREAT HUB

TH


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Anna Marie Bowman 6 years ago from Florida Author

Kendall-- Over the course of the past year and a half, I have seen so much that scares and upsets me. I see that I have so much more work to do on this hub with all the new information that has come to light.

jman00001-- I agree. I plan on updating this hub soon, to include all the recent information, from what you have mentioned, to other issues, like the voter intimidation scandal involving the New Black Panther Party, and issues with Blago, and so much more.


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jman00001 6 years ago from Texas

Especially looking at it now a year after the election of Obama.

After 10%+ unemployment (which is expected to continue throughout most if not all 2010), ACORN scandals, extended and expended government bailouts, surprise executive order increasing diplomatic immunity to Interpol, the upcoming Obama/Pelosi healthcare that may well cost every working American family over $10,000/ yr in extra taxes...

Many things to review and maybe shudder about...


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Kendall H. 6 years ago from Northern CA

Anna Marie, thank you for writing this hub so long ago. I'm sorry that I couldn't have read it when it was first published. In addition to all your comments about Obama I wanted to add that he seems to be living in a dream world. All countries communicating agreeably sounds nice but it isn't realistic. Bearing a grudge for generations isn't healthy but I've met a few Albanians who still abhor Turks due to the death march of 1914. These kind of issues with many other countries make it difficult to believe that all countries can unite. Every action speaks of Obama from hugging the Queen of England to bowing before the Emperor of Japan shows his either reluctance or ignorance of protocol, tradition, and sensitivity to issues. Since Veteran's day last wednesday I've wondered how the Veteran's of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam feel about this. Thank you again for the great hub!!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Carlos-- Why, thank you!!! On both counts!!


Carlos Donoso Kronfle 7 years ago

Anna Marie, may I just say that besides smart you are beautiful.

Ok, carry on ...


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

bernie-- Thank you so very much!!!


bernie1936 7 years ago

Anna Marie Bowman!

You are quite a lady! Keep writing! You are inspiring me!

Thanks.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Sarah-- Truth of the matter is, Obama has already made some serious mistakes and taken some dangerous chances. I don't claim to like McCain. Not a big fan of his, either.


Sarah 7 years ago

Stupid and sooo not true obama rocks!!!! Mccain is bad!!!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

eovery-- I just needed to write about how I felt, and I still feel this way. I think he's driving the country into the ground. It was an interesting, and sometimes exhausting debate!! I think I might right a follow-up, about how I still feel the way I do.


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eovery 7 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

You were brave with this one.

And I missed it all, darn.

Keep on hubbing!


issues veritas 7 years ago

AMB -- back at you.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

I didn't think you were critcizing me, I just felt that a little clarification was in order. Thank you for your pithy comments!! I enjoy reading them!!


issues veritas 7 years ago

AMB,

I wasn't criticizing deleting comments and I agree with your standards on your hub.

I haven't experienced the spammers yet, so I might have to rethink my policy.

I agree also on the empty promises and politicians. Is it possible that the root of the word 'Politician" means empty promise?

I think that everyone now is just waiting for their check from Obama and if they get the check then Obama is OK with them.

 

Biden surprised me by how easily Obama house trained him. Hie is a good little dog. Cheap joke, sorry but he has been extremely quiet.

 


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

issues--  Thank you for stopping by!!!  This Hub doesn't get all that many comments anymore!  Don't forget his VP!!  He didn't have much confidence in Obama's skills in running the country, either.  So far, I am less than impressed.  More empty promises from a good-for-nothing politician. 

As for deleting comments...I only deleted spam comments, comments that showed up several times in a row, and one comment from someone who made a very inapropriate and rude comment about another Hubber. I thought it was in very poor taste, and I didn't want it on my Hub. It's my right to do so. I have not, however, deleted any comments by people who disagree with me, though I know, there are some who do.


issues veritas 7 years ago

AMB.

I don't delete any comments to my hubs because I think the bad comments reflect on the author of those comments.

There will always be bad comments.

I share your viewpoint and I am happy that after six months your hub can still be discussed.

There is a reason why we call them terrorists. A hundred men, women and children killed or wounded by a bomber. The target of the bomber were civilians and there was no world wide outrage from the incident. There was only a body count. Yet, when there is a water boarding story the whole world is outraged, Is there really a comparison between detention, water boarding and blowing up civilians as a primary target?

Whether you liked George W. Bush or not and whether it was a coincidence that we had no further attacks since 911, the country was safe. Now it is Obama's turn to protect us. Remember, his current Secretary of State didn't think he could make the necessary decisions as President to keep the country safe.

Thanks

 


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Thank you, ProfoundPuns! I did have to deal with a lot of negative comments. I only deleted the ones that were really terrible, or that attacked other hubbers. Some were pretty bad. I even got one where someone compared me to a monkey, flinging feces.


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ProfoundPuns 7 years ago from Maryland, USA

In reading the string of comments (which turned to skimming, as there were so many!), I have to say, that whether someone agrees with your views on political issues or not, you have a very respectful way of debating, and not taking the low road of insulting your dissenters despite the insults you receive.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Thank you! I know a lot of people don't share my opinion, but I think some of them are starting to have second thoughts.


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imadork 7 years ago from St. Peters, MO

Too bad the rest of the country doesn't share your opinion. I myself, agree with you.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Well, Obama is now President, and I guess we will have to wait and see. I am personally a little scared. If Chicago politics follows him to the White House, it isn't going to be good. I do hope for the best, though. After all, I live here. I hope he does well, if only for the sake of other Americans like myself.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Just wait. Come back in 4 years and talk to me then.


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Well the election is over and the American people didn't believe your lies or the lies of people of your ilk.

We will soon have a new president and I'm pretty sure that Bush and Cheney will, after the inauguration, turn into bats and fly away!


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Anna, I'm getting the same thing from wonderkatt on my hubs. He's apparently going through hubpages looking for people who didn't support Obama and saying the same things to them all. Very mature huh?


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

wonderkatt--I approved your childish comment. To suggest that just because the person I was supporting did not win, and a person I did not want to win did, that I should hop on the next plane out of the country is stupid. Thank you for your concern for my well being. I am fully capable of taking care of myself, and fully intend to stay right here. I am, however, preparing myself for what is to come.


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Welll Obama WON! and at the same time they are having discount air tickets out of the country. Does that suggest any thing to you losers?

peace out


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Hye Pac,

Obama isn't even in office yet so how can he control the press? And talk about the kettle calling the pot black Sarah palin has never given an open public press conference. She has never even been on Face the Nation or Meet the Press or even on Fox(Faux?) News . She only does press with toadies like Hannity.

The McCain people also stopped interviews with CNN when Campbell Brown asked the wrong question about sarah.

 

You guys really need to get over yourselves.

"Times they are a changing"

Peace OUt!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

wonderkatt-- You said Obama is going to win, and that we all "need to get in line."  ???  Get used to it or get out???  I wish it were that easy.  My favorite quote goes something like this...The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.  I think I will stick around, thank you very much!  No, I am not saying that Obama is personally evil, I do, however think that his policies will bring about a great deal of problems for this country, and I would rather be here, and try to do the best I can to make even a small part of this world better.

allshookup--I agree.  How can you attend church for 20 years and never hear what your pastor, preacher, said??  It's unthinkable, and for Obama to say that, rather than admit to the truth, and expect people to believe it, is just insane.  Talk about too much pride.  The man refuses to ever admit when he is wrong. 

Chones--Thanks for the link!  Much appreciated.

pacwriter--  The media does give Obama and Biden a pass on everything, and any network that actually tries to ask hard questions, gets blocked.  I guess the best way to avoid bad press is to control the media, and choose who you get to talk to. 

Ralph-- Thank your for the link. It was an interesting read.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

A liberal's view of Obama--just another Bush!

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081110/cockburn


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Pac- No Bush deserves all the hatred he has aquired.

And its not that nothing sticks to Obama its just that you guys look like monkeys flinging your feces and making a lot of noise.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Chones, thanks for the compliment and for the link!


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

I'm not calling it down, it's the people who vote for Obama that's doing that. I asked for mercy, although, if he is elected, we don't deserve it.


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pacwriter 7 years ago from North Carolina

It still comes down to the fact the DEMS hate Bush so much they will take anybody that can win no matter their beliefs or policies. That is why the media gives Obama and Biden a pass on everything. And like the man said, "the networks and news outlets do not want to upset their 'cash cow'".


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Hey allshook are you calling down the rath of god on us if we vote for Obama? Not very christian or American of you. Its OK, I'm sure god has caller ID and he isn't taking any suggestions from the likes of you.

You an balls(chonies?) make me laugh. I guess you never, ever thought of the race of Obama. LOL and Mccain has a rev. probl;em too. One who hates Iseral and the US.

Palin has a witchdoctor and I think both of them hang out with Oli North and G. Gordon Liddy to very well know home grown terrorist .

Peace OUt


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Chones 7 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Very well put, allshookup-  I couldn't have put it better myself!

Speaking of Obama's associations- Has everyone read this article?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/o...


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Wow, should I feel special because I got called out? I have no doubt that Obama can very well win. And I feel that the United States will be greatly punished because of it. I'm just grateful that it won't be on my conscience when it happens. He will take us down a long, hard solicalistic path where people who voted for him will wish they could take back their votes. Only to realize they were wrong in supoprting him, then it will be too late. Also, you cannot sit under a preacher for 20 years and not know where he stands on important issues like what he said in those sermons. If he sat under him and didn't know that, then he certainly is bad VERY bad judge of character and has no business in the White House. I mean, how slow can he be??? And you just brought up the race issue. I thought color wasn't an issue. But, if you notice, it's Obama's side that keeps bringin up race, not the other sides. Hmmm.....go figure.


wonderkatt 7 years ago from Albuquerque

Do you have any proof that ObAama heard that sermon that the good rev. preached on that day after 9/11? or did you just pull that out your butt?

The Rev. Wright has preached many sermons not all had to do with 9/11 or race.

Its time you guys got into line cause Barak is going to win and you and allshookup and the rest of your ilk will just have to get use to it or get out!

And remember "once you go black you can never go back" Ha Ha Ha.!


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DK5 7 years ago

good Morning Ralph. McCain is 71, two years younger than you.You seem to be doing ok, a little eratic, but  I dont think you are ready for  Depends?  And yes, I think after watching the video of Bidens reaction to some  tough Questions , comparing that to how Sarah Palin has reacted to the obvious assualt on her by the media,She is by far the better Candidate. 


commonsense 7 years ago

i'm laying 10-1 on obama...any takers?


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

You think Palin is presidential? McCain is the one who could easily croak before the end of his term. His mother is in her nineties, but his father and grandfather died in their early 70s. McCain is living on borrowed time. And he's more than a little forgetful.


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DK5 7 years ago

He(Biden) is a heartbeat from the presidency.He doesn't seem very presidential. Is there a posted list of what questions we can ask the chosen one? The Obama Campaign is cutting off the network. 


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

That is the absolutely dumbest interviewer I've ever seen. Biden was right in wondering who was writing the interviewer's question. I can't believe that very many people wiill fall for such bullshit.


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DK5 7 years ago

Joe Biden was asked today about Obama's  ties to ACORN. The Obama camp has just cut this network off from all interviews. Finally some tough questions were asked.  We would all like to know more about ACORN but how dare anyone ask the Obama camp. This is truly unbelievable,you have got to see this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM


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Chones 7 years ago from Rocky Mountains

What's the consensus on this article, in regards to yet another "association" Obama has?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/o...


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DK5 7 years ago

Good morning Ralph. I am not so sure you really want to know more about ACORN and if I were to do the research for you I am pretty sure it would be dismissed.

Smarticus, I hope you are right.


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Smarticus 7 years ago from North Carolina

DK5- I agree that ACORN bears closer scrutiny on some of its activies. However, I think that many people are greatly overestimating their influence on Senator Obama.

Ralph Deeds- Thanks for the kudos, man.

I also forgot to mention you can find a good source for analysis of the two different candidates at the non-partisan www.politifacts.com site.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

My impression is that the number of instances of voter regulation irregularities or fraud have been greatly exaggerated and that ACORN takes steps to correct any that come to its attention. Moreover, false or fraudulent voter registrations, as has been pointed out by objective observers, does not usually result in voter fraud.

DK5 I would be interested in knowing the specifics of what is "more to be concerned with' about ACORN. Also, ACORN is not the only source of voter registration irregularities. Republicans in several states have apparently engaged in various voter suppression activities and illegal purging of the voter rolls. Moreover, many states are using touch screen voting machines which do not permit auditing the ballots.

Smarticus, great comment!


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DK5 7 years ago

There is more to be concerned with when it comes to ACORN than Voter fraud, which is a serious crime. Obama and ACORN have deeper ties than just an organization in his nieghborhood. The Huffington post is probably not where one should be looking for information on ACORN.

Lift your face towards the sun - then you will not see the shadows. Helen Keller.


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Smarticus 7 years ago from North Carolina

Anne Marie- I admire your wilingness to post your opinions, and your writing skills evident in this hub. I do not, however, agree with a lot of what you say.

I would like to point out that Senator Obama voting present on the bill you cited earlier is most certainly not the same as voting no. Present signifies no stance taken. You also did not mention that the senate had attached an amendment to that bill that would have allowed major corporations to receive "envionmental remediation tax credits" credit for cleaning up the environment, even if they did not actually qualify to receive the tax credits under the guidelines of the program. This measure was a piece of pork barrel spending intended to benefit corporate stockholders, and influential special interest groups. Several senators chose to vote against the bill, or simply vote present to avoid giving away tax payer's money unjustly.

While I agree that Ronald Reagan was a great President in the military arena, his economic policies were a disaster that led us into our last recession. Trickle down proved to be unsound.

President Bush inhereted a $400 billion dollar surplus from the previous administration, and frittered it away into the current $9 trillion dollar deficit. Senator McCain's stated economic positions would not significantly change this.

Senator McCain's health care policies would add insurance to 21 million people who do not have it, but strip employer coverage from 20 million people, and for the first time make employer provided insurance taxable as income! Even if he provides a tax credit to offset this the credit falls far below the estimates of what it would cost an average family to have health insurance under his program. Also think of the future. Once the precedent is established what happens to us next?

Frankly I do not believe Senator Obama will be able to do much of his proposed health care changes, as Congress will likely shoot most of them down, or mitigate them severely as they have in the past when much more sweeping programs were proposed during the Clinton administration.

McCain's tax policies will benefit people who make over $250,000 per year with greater reductions in taxes, and more than a milllion lower class households will see no cuts. People who make $30-70k per year would pay $325 less in taxes next year, while people in the same range will pay $1118 less in taxes under Obama in the same time. McCain's tax cuts will result in the same people paying $1427 less per year by 2012, while under Obama the tax savings would be $2197 less per year.

Bush refused to stop the disastrous hemorhaging of American jobs to outsourcing, refusing to remove substantial tax credits for companies which outsource these jobs, benefiting wealthy stockholders, while damaging the working class. McCain's policy would not change this at all. The 1.5 million + American jobs lost will grown in number. Obama supports removing tax advantages for companies who outsource overseas, a policy that is plainly more responsible to the American people.

Next my concern is that, while Senator McCain is a respectable, experienced politician, he is also 72 years old and in far from perfect health. Governor Palin, while intelligent, it not at this time competent to step into the office, and I frankly doubt that Senator McCain can survive one full term given the stresses of the office.

Anne Marie- If a teacher, and I am one, were to stop your daughter from praying herself over her food at lunch that teacher has violated the law. The US Supreme Court has upheld private voluntary prayer as a protected 1st amendment right.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

DK5 I am retired. I have never belonged to a union although I support the process of free collective bargaining between employers and unions where employees choose by secret ballot to unionize. I know little about ACORN other than what I've been reading in the papers in the past couple of weeks. Voter registration fraud and voter fraud are serious crimes, in my opinion. Anyone guilty of them should be punished.

Extending medicare in gradual steps to cover everyone would be paid for with taxes and through savings by eliminating the non-value added parasitic health care insurance companies from the equation.


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DK5 7 years ago

>>>The best solution to the health care crisis in this country would be to extend Medicare gradually over a five or ten year period to cover everyone,

Interesting,  Would companies/employers be required to kick in 300 dollars toward the cost of Medicaire for all its employees and the taxpayers foot the bill for the rest? At what cost?  Is that cost for only those making over 250,000 dollars? 


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DK5 7 years ago

It took 40 years of talking Medicare reform . One man finally did it in 2003. The Media assaulted him for it and to this day,they won't speak of it.


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DK5 7 years ago

Ralph Deeds. You are a labor man, Unions Correct? Why is it that Obama's ACORN, with all its employees, refuses, intimidates and even fires those who seek Union wages and benefits?. ACORN fights for Unions but apparently when it comes to their own employees it does not apply.


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Chones 7 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Toby- Bravo! Very well said-

Ralph- "non-repentant" terrorists- still terrorists in my book. Enough said. By the way, (I believe it was as soon as last year) Ayer's wife said she'd like to abolish capatilism.

Why do you feel the need to make a distinction in the first place (i.e. "former terrorist")? That's basically justifying that Obama does indeed have ties to these people, and you're merely trying to make yourself feel better about it. Keating Five?? Are you serious? There you go again. To play devil's advocate... sure I'll give you the red mark on McCain's record (that you are so desperately seeking), okay? Now, how many red marks are on Obama's record?? [please see above, hahaha] Are you seriously trying to compete with a blazing fire by lighting one single match?

Nationalized health care- Obama's plan is basically a carbon-carbon copy of the Canadian system. Any comments on the fact that patients needing specialized health care come to the US (a vast majority of the time)? For every one of our doctors that leaves the country, there's 19 Canadian doctors knocking on our door to get in. Quality goes down- Wait time goes up- Our health care system does need work, but Obama's plan is not the way to go about it. What motivates potential doctors, and more importantly, specialty doctors to become as such in a Nationalized system? The same thing is going to happen here people. The rich (aka Obama and the Leftist elite) will pay to receive quality care, while the average American is left to deal with "Kaiser-gone-worse".

I haven't heard any mention of this article either...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/o...


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Here's Newt Gingrich's solution for getting Americn health care "from worst to first."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/opinion/24beane....

McCain's proposal would cause millions to lose the health care currently provided by their employers because the premiums would no longer be a tax-deductible business expense.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Obama is not far left. He is a moderate, middle-of-the-road Democrat who believes in our democratic free-enterprise, free market system. Just whcich of his proposals do you consider far left? I'm not aware of any. For someone who doesn't like McCain your hub on him sounds like it was written by one of his campaign staffers. And so does this one on Obama!

My wife and I are covered by Medicare and we both are very satisfied with it. The best solution to the health care crisis in this country would be to extend Medicare gradually over a five or ten year period to cover everyone, starting with children, the unemployed, until everyone was covered. But thanks to the parasitic, non-value added health insurance companies few people believe this approach could be passed even though most people who have studied the problem believe it would be the best solution.


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

I said you were being a drama queen because you accused me of calling you a liar when I hadn't. In that case, "drama queen" is pretty mild. I don't like when people accuse me of doing something when it's clear I hadn't.

I responded to your comment, written in the present tense (thus implying this is an ongoing state of affairs): "My daughter can't even pray over her meals at school." This does not sound like a specific incident in the past, but at any rate, since I have never asked you to share private details and I don't want to now, consider this dropped.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Marisa-- You may be right. But, considering the quality of the government funded care already in place in this country, I am not too optimistic. I did receive fairly good health care while my ex was in the military, and everything medical was free for me and my family, there were a few shortcomings. The quality was not always that good, and we had a lot of issues with paperwork not getting filed, papers disappearing, and just poor organization that made the whole system flawed.

Ralph-- I am familiar with the Keating Five. That is one of the reasons I am not a huge fan of McCain, either. I just have more issues with Obama. As I said before, and I will not say it again, I am a supporter of Bob Barr, but since he has no chance to win, I might vote for McCain. A lesser of two evils sort of thing. He is a conservative, which is better that Obama, who is so far left, he's about to fall off the map. I really wish Bob Barr had gotten more attention. I like him.

Toby-- Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I doubt if Obama would ever do that. Or how about taking a bunch of his money, and giving to the people in the projects of Chicago that he always talks about. Don't see that happening either.

livelonger-- I am talking about a specific instance that happened in my daughter's school. I will not go into details, as it is a family issue. I never asked anyone to shut down a school for her to pray. I am talking about a very specific event involving my daughter and a teacher at her school. Thank you again for the name calling.


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

Anna Marie: You don't have to be a drama queen. I don't know enough about you to know if this distortion is part of a pattern that would make you a liar. Since I have no reason to make a wholesale ad hominem attack (despite you baiting me to do so), I'm going to insist on my assertion that your daughter can't pray to herself is a distortion.

And it is.

If you're talking about "voluntary prayer", I assume you mean you're demanding a "moment of silence" that the teachers enforce on their students. If you want your daughter to pray to herself, she can easily do so during recess or other breaks. She does not need the teacher to shut down all school activity for her to do so.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Toby Bigley 7 years ago

For 6 years President Bush Held office and everyone was happy, He stood up against the terrorist, like everyone wanted, we are in Iraq now rebuilding, installing schools for their kids, electricity, public water and policing their country which I think is B.S. at taxpayers expense, but it issomething "we" have to do to show the world we are a giving nation. The last two years, since the Democrats took over control of Congress the economy has struggled, but don't believe it all. Did we just not go around paying 3-4 dollars a gallon for gas? Are you still not going out to dinner 1-2 nights aweek, or are you taking your lunch to work in a brown bag? But here is another thought for all the democrats.

If Obama believes in redistributing the welfare why does he not lead by example. Here you have Barack Obama out campaigning, working hard to raise money for his campaign, much as many Americans do to support their family. If he wants Americans to redistribute the wealth, give to the needy, the ones not collecting as much as others, then he should redistribute some of his campaign funds to the GOP. Ummm, I bet he won't think that is such a great idea.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Very true. We would already have better heath care but for the TV ad blitz financed by the health insurance companies early in the first Clinton administration. The health insurance companies are parasites on the body politic.

Anne Marie, you seem to be quite an expert on Wright, Ayers and Rezko. Are you familiar with the Keating Five and all the favors McCain accepted in return for trying to kill the investigation of Keating's role in the Savings and Loan scandal At the beginning of your Hub, you portray yourself as an "anti-partisan" person and then proceed to make a vicious partisan attack on Obama.


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Marisa Wright 7 years ago from Sydney

Anna Marie, Australia has government sponsored health care. I can get all my health carefree, or at minimal cost. The system is not perfect, and many Australians complain that it could be better, but the fact is that NO ONE is ever turned away from a hospital or a doctor because they can't pay, and the quality of care is very good. In fact I've seen specialists in the public system who have been much better than the private guys.

There are any number of other countries which have similar schemes that work just as well, if not better. What America needs is for someone to be brave enough to wrest control back from the insurance companies, instead of tacking on a sub-standard public system and allowing the rest of the money to be sucked up by a broken private system.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ok, fine, call me a liar. But next time, it you are going to call me a liar, at least come right out and say it. Voluntary prayer is not allowed in school, unless she attends a parochial school. I left out details because the details of my life, and the life of my child are not up for discussion. I will leave it at that.


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

Anna Marie - I'm sorry, but I don't believe you. There is something missing from your "my daughter isn't allowed to pray to herself" story.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

And your point is??? I think abortion is murder. Ok, so Ayers used to be a terrorist??? So, someone who murders someone, as long as it was in the past, isn't a murder??? They used to be?


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

A radical isn't the same as a terrorist. It would be more accurate to call Ayers and Dohrn former terrorists, in my opinion. Calling them terrorists is like calling a woman who has an abortion two months after getting pregnant a "child murderer."


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

pacwriter--your first comment was blank. As for your second comment, I completely agree. People with beliefs that extreme don't just up and change their minds and decide to be less radical. And as for him being a college professsor, well, remember all the radical movements of the sixties?? Many of them were started and inspired by radical college professors. Ayers just decided to take a different route to spread his radical ideas.


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pacwriter 7 years ago from North Carolina

What do you get when you have two terrorists marry? Ayers and his wife are both known terrorists. Do you think they swept all that 60's nonsense out the window when they set up hosekeeping?In 1994, Dohrn said of her political beliefs: "I still see myself as a radical." She was the head of the weathermen when her to be husband was only a member.

Yes, you are painted with the same brush as those you associate - and for good reason. Obama has many connections with the famous pair!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

livelonger-- In a lot of cases, yes, people who believe in God are oppressed. My daughter can't even pray over her meals at school. Even though she is doing it of her own free will, and not harming anyone, or forcing her beliefs on anyone, it is not allowed. At the school I attended when I was in school, there were several groups for various different religious affiliations, but none for Christians. It was not allowed. We were taught about religions in school, all religions except Christianity.


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

Since when is God a "scary word"? People's objections are to some people presuming to bring God into policy and government. No one cares what people believe in their private lives. I'm not sure how people who comprise 80% of the country can delude themselves into thinking they're a beleaguered, oppressed minority.

allshookup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Assoc... - if you don't think its actions towards gays, Jews, AIDS victims, and Muslims constitute bigotry, then there's no getting through to you.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

I already get the AFA emails. I'm not very impressed.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Chones--You are right. I would essentially be throwing my vote away. I agree with your statement that it is a matter of a lesser of two evils. I dislike the stance Obama has on a lot of issues, and do not feel he would be a strong, effective leader. I have an overwhelming respect for our military and everything they have done. I know very well the sacrifices they have made. Thank you for your comments.

allshookup--I agree. God is a scary word for a lot of people. Many people have worked very hard to keep God away from all of us, no matter what the cost.

Chef Jeff--I won't begin to say that I have any knowledge of the early years before the Vietnam war. I think many of these comments regarding such are better suited for a hub of your own on the issue, and do not fully relate to the issues brought about in my hub. Thank you for your comments and I do respect your opinions, though they differ from my own.

livelonger--Yes, with only two weeks to go, I don't see anything changing the opinions of those who have made up their mind, but so many people go to the polls and vote uninformed. Also note that this was published quite a bit longer ago than today.

There are a great number of comments in the past day, and it would take a long time to comment on every single comment made. Thank you all for your comments.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Bigotry? In what way?


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

I'm afraid all you can learn from the AFA is that bigotry is alive and well in the USA, and, as usual, it goes under a much nicer-sounding euphemism ("family values").


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Ralph, you always make me laugh. LOL Thanks for the offer, but we don't use the fireplace anymore. But I do appreciate the thought.

I'd be happy to hook you up with the American Family Association newsletter though.

http://www.afa.net/

There you go. You might be shocked what you can learn on there!


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Well, you are right--Bush and McSame are no Reagans.

If I knew your address I'd get you a gift subscription to the NYT. You might be surprised by what you'd find!


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Ralph, did you see who I said protected us? I never used the word Bush. I said REAGAN! I admire REAGAN for a number of reasons. If 9/11 had happened during Reagan's time in office, he would have handled this much differently. And much better than it has been by Bush. I'm sad that our son more than likely will never see such a great man as Reagan in the White House in his lifetime. As time passes, more and more people are losing backbone and conviction and morals. Padding their own pockets, kissing up to corrupt people. Don't take my word for it, just ask Obama, I'm sure he can fill you in since he is the most liberal person to ever be up there.

Again with the NY Times as a source? hahahahahaha


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Allshookup, FYI, Bush and McSames's policies aren't protecting our country. Their policies have increased the danger of terrorism says a British terrorism expert and former head of British intelligence MI5:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/world/europe/22b...


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Off The Rails MSNBC just ran what we can only call an extraordinary interview with NBC News' Chuck Todd and Brian Williams. They were discussing the interview NBC just did with John McCain and Sarah Palin. We'll have the video shortly. But what really stood out was the candidness of Todd's discussion of the wheels possibly coming off McCain's campaign, his willingness to discuss the tension between the two candidates and even to speculate that McCain may be starting to blame Palin for his campaign's collapse. That's obviously speculation on Todd's part. But ... Well, wait to see it yourself. --Josh Marshall

Are American lives more important? Good question, Paraglider.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Chones, Yep we used the word. LOL And I'll use it again proudly. As you have seen, my comments are not the most popular on hubpages. You know what, it's all good! It doesn't bother me that people don't agree with me. I feel I have to speak my heart and mind and my convictions. And yes, God bless Reagan. I saw where Nancy is doing better and out of the hospital. I was really glad to see that. I admire her so very much. Such a classy lady!


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livelonger 7 years ago from San Francisco

Two weeks to go, and I don't think anyone's mind is really going to change.

You're entitled to publish your opinion, Anna Marie. Fortunately, yours will not be the majority and we'll enjoy a more responsible presidential administration for at least the next 4 years with Obama and Biden.


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Chones 7 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Paraglider- Way to take things out of context and rebute it with an arrogent comment.

allshookup- Thanks, I've enjoyed reading your insightful posts as well. I do miss Reagan; he was one of a kind- God bless him. Uh oh, look at that allshookup, we both mentioned what has become a "naughty word"...

I'm not sorry if I've offended anyone :)


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Paraglider, if someone were threatening your country, would you not want someone to protect you the same way Reagan protected us? If anyone can answer that question with a 'no' I will not believe you. Everyone wants protection for themselves and their families. No matter who you are. He was an AMERICAN President, therefore, the lives he was protecting were American. That was his job. This is not about who is more precious that others. That's just a liberal argument against anyone who will protect themselves or their family with any type of firearm or force of any kind. No matter what country you live in, you want you and those people safe because you and your family live there. God gave us all a built-in reaction to protect ourselves.


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

{{ No American lives lost. Problem taken care of.}}

Are American lives more precious than other lives?


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Chones, great points in your post. Ticks me off bad to hear people trashing our military. They are doing a hard job our country asks of them. They should be revered and respected. And if anyone reading this is in the service, please know I am thankful for your service! Thank you!!!

I'm glad you brought up Reagan. Remember when we had trouble with Cuba? Did Reagan sit and talk and talk and think and see what the UN thought and talk and see what both sides of the issue felt about the situation and talk? No. He made a decision. He actually had the spine to do that, to protect our country! He sent a bomb down a chimney and the trouble was over. No American lives lost. Problem taken care of. I so miss Reagan! I fear he was the last of the good breed. I hope I'm wrong. But, you gotta love a president with a backbone who loves America. Where did they all go?


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Chones 7 years ago from Rocky Mountains

Anna- Thanks so much for this hub.  Your thoughtful words have inspired me to sign up and post a reply.  With that said, I am a bit confused as to why you'd essentially "waste" a vote on a candidate whom has no chance.  I feel as though this election is indeed the lesser of two evils.  You are intelligent enough to know that the liberal media is doing everything in their power to cover up Obama's short-comings and frightening associations.  So I think it would be in this country's benefit to vote for John McCain, and not throw a right (that our soldiers have given their lives for) that we have as Americans down the drain.

Chef Jeff- I sincerely thank you for your service to this country.  Whether or not people agree with the US's military decisions (past and present) we must always pay our respects to those who serve this country.  Your last post was very insightful, thank you.

Ralph- I feel more anger coming from you than any sort of positive contribution to this hub.  You are indeed blinded by hatred in my book; I feel sorry for you.

Misha- I believe it was you who stated that there really isn't much difference between the two major political parties, and that there are indeed many more things going on within our government than we realize (in regards to decisions that are made, etc.).  I also believe you stated that rarely do candidates ever do what they've promised.  I agree with you on both items.

Thank you to whomever mentioned the yellowcake we found.  I too was aware of this, but doubt most others knew about such info.  To say we kill innocent women and children is silly.  That is disrespectful to our military, who are the very people concerned for the Iraqi's wellbeing.  I don't believe we are the one's using our own woman and children as suicide bombers, etc.... 

Lastly, whether or not we as a country have done things to promote the attacks of 9-11... We are indeed the most understanding, accepting, helpful, and just country that I'm aware of.  We've proven to be the glue that holds the world together; economically, militarily, socially, etc.  No one is always right, but I think the US's efforts in all areas have had the best of intentions; regardless if in hindsight our actions are seen as evil by others.  Bottom line, Islamic extremist's religion teaches to kill everyone (man, woman, or child) who doesn't accept Allah/Islam.  I believe we have made many mistakes in Iraq, but we have also ridden the world of Sadaam and been attack-free for seven years.  I think there's something to be said for that.  I don't agree with many things the Bush administration has done, but like it or not, I feel that Bush will be seen as a great president when we look back into our nation's past.  He's no Reagan, but he has stood strong, and that's more than I can say for most...especially an "Obama-type".  I don't want to give up this nation's soviergnty, and I feel that Obama does not have this nation's best interests at hand. 

Thanks for reading my post :) 


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Ralph, so to prove what you say you give me links to the NY Times and the ACLU? hahahaha

Next joke please.........


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Allshookup, you shouldn't believe everything you hear or read. CHECKING THE FACTS will help you avoid appearing ridiculous!

ACLU protects freedom of speech for all, liberals, conservatives, believers, athiests, et al.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940...

The ACLU is the foremost advocate of individual rights.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200609...

ACLU protects religious freedom here

http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26526res2...


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Misha says:7 days ago

Complacency is in belieiving that American government will not try to punish you for exercising your "right" for freedom of speech, if it chooses so :)

I think you're getting the names of things mixed. It's the ACLU that punishes those who exercise their freedom of speech. If you don't believe me, ask a Boy Scout.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

I write this with some trepidation because when one speaks out for critically thinking about an emotional issue and sees something that seems negative toward one's own nation, he is often misunderstood.  I write this as an American who knows that we are not perfect, even if we are trying to be a better nation and people day by day.

The true test is not what a nation says about itself, and not even about what others say about it, but rather by how much it realizes that failure is a lesson to help one grow and mature.  Failure is not a thing to be ashamed of, if one uses the lesson to make oneself a better human being. 

As an historical proof I offer the case of Abraham Lincoln. He did not become a great leader by his successes. Indeed, he was shaped and molded into a great man because of his failures, coupled with his inherent ability to see failure as a stepping stone to success. One could say the same about Dr. Carver. Martin Luther King, Henry Ford and Thomas Edison, and many others.

In Viet Nam we were fighting an emeny that we once were.  In the Revolutionary War against Great Britain, we were like the North Vietnamese - fighting against a militarily superior power for our own ideas of how to govern ourselves.

Make no mistake about it - the British saw us exactly as we saw the North Vietnamese:  traitors, guerilla fighters, not playing by the rules.

Few people know that Ho Chi Minh's first inclinations toward creating a Vietnamese nation were to emulate us.  His first constitution was nearly a carbon copy of our own.  He wanted his nation to be like us.

What higher compliment could anyone give us?

In 1919 in France as the great powers discussed how to divide up the world, Ho Chi Minh pleaded with President Wilson and the U.S. to back him as he fought to create an independent nation as free and independent as was the U.S.  He counted upon us remembering that our roots were similar.  We favored France and the colonialization policies they carried out. We turned a deaf ear to Viet Nam.

Later, from about 1932 and well into WWII, Ho took weapons from any nation willing to give them, and after the war expected to see Viet Nam a free and independent nation. However, our turning him away for so many years forced him to turn to China and Russia, Communnist nations at the time, and eventually they swayed him with their doctrines because we failed to recognize him as a leader.

In other words, after being turned down by the U.S. for so long, Ho had a change of heart about what we really stood for. Our words said one thing, but our actions said quite a different thing. He saw us a hypocritical.

Think about this in terms of your own experiences - if you liked someone and they kept turning away from you, would you find other friends?  Would you do that even if you needed to change your views?  Most people do, and most nations do.

People do that all the time. That, indeed, is how gangs & cults of all kinds get new members.

The final straw for Ho was when we rearmed Japanese soldiers right after WWII and used them as policemen in many formerly Japanese occupied nations.  These were the same Japanese we had been fighting, and who had brutalized the local populations.

Imagine for a moment in the government decided to make all motorcycle gangs, neo-nazi groups and the KKK the policement of this nation.  Would that make you love the government?  The effect for the Vietnamese was instant hatred for the U.S.

Why?  Was it because we had freedom and they didn't?  Well, maybe, but I believe and have been told by people who were in the North Vietnamese nation at that time that it was more because we had lied to them, presented a false hope, and the then sided with the bullies that had killed hundreds of thousands of them.

America did not keep its word, and then fought against them.  Yes, they could have surrendered, just as our ancestors who fought for independence could have just surrendered to King George and that would have been that. But people dont do that - nations don't do that.

But just as King George stirred anger and passion for freedom in our hearts, so did our actions in Southeast Asia stir passion and anger in the hearts of many people.  We were the authors of our own misery, and all because we were foolish enough to see the world as only being either with us or against us. That is what we said and that is what we believed and the consequences were that we fought a huge, deadly,truly needless war in Viet Nam that killed some 50,000 plus Americans, countless hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, while leaving 250,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese wounded, physically as well as emotionally.

Was it worth the cost?  Was the war really a fight against Communism?  Or was it a way of covering up our own incompetency in the world? No one ever asked, why did the Vietnamese become Communist when their first inclinations were to be like America?

Even today, no one asks that question.

I believe the lesson we should have learned form Viet Nam was that we need to be proactive and positive, welcoming and open in our approach to how we deal with the nations of the world.  They see us as either a friend or a foe depending upon our own actions, not by the reasons of their religion, or even the reasons of the people who talk bad about us.

In other words, they judge us by our actions. when our actions dispriove the words of people who hate america, they see through it.

But when our actions are negative, or do not match our rhetoric, this proves the mate-mongers' words to be true and then whole nations turn against us.

We have a chance in this new century to reinvent ourselves, our image in the world, so that it is more like we should be, like we think we are, like we say we are.

But can we do that? Is it too late? 

We are currently a fearful people - afraid that someone will attack us.  Yes, we can send in the marines, but what happens when there are not enough marines to cover every crisis?  Unless we are all willing to don the uniform and fight, we will never win this struggle with soldiers and bombs.

We have to win this struggle by being what every Christian and non-Christian claims to be - loving and willing to turn the other cheek.  We must cease from seeing every struggle as a way to force our ideas upon others.  How many times has my preacher told me that actions speak louder than words?  Does he mean that in order to win over the people of the world we need to substitute positive actions for negative words?

Does he also mean that positive actions can wipe away negative images?  Yes, that is what he means.  But he also wants to tell me that it takes time, because when a bully suddenly repents, few people believe his words until they see the actions that prove them to be true.

And like it or not, America has been acting more like a bully than a friend to many nations of the world.  And some people in the U.S. do not care at all what other nations think of us.  And then they are completely surprised when someone flies an aircraft into a building, or bombs a ship or blasts a residential tower.

How we treat others is the exact cause of how they see us and treat us.  That is simply a fact of life, played out on a personal level every day when kids in the playground take sides and form cliques, gangs and then terrorize others who are not like them.  Only on the playground of the real world, gangs have weapons and know how to use them.

So, while I do not condone the attacks of 9-11, and indeed I deplore them with all my being, I am not surprised by them.  I am hoping that in the future we will finally learn the lesson of true leadership and will then change the world for the better.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Complacency is in belieiving that American government will not try to punish you for exercising your "right" for freedom of speech, if it chooses so :)


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Paraglider- Yes, I understand that this is the internet. I was mearly making a statement about why I was glad I grew up in the US. I know some countries don't provide the same freedoms as the United States does, I also know that some countries do.

Misha- It is not complacency, it is called freedom of speech.

pacwriter- If Ted Kennedy were on the ballot, no, I would not vote for him. I lived in Mass, for a while. I know quite a bit about the man, and while I have respect for him when it comes to certain things, other things bother me greatly. I agree, Obama is more liberal that Kennedy.

vitaeb- Yes, many people opposed the war in Vietnam. It was poorly executed, and we were fighting an enemy the likes which we had never seen before. It is one thing to oppose a war, it is another thing entirely to spit on the brave men and women who serve our country, who make great sacrifices for our very well being, and deserve great honor and respect.

Chef Jeff- Thank you for your service to our country!! I know too often it goes unsaid.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

Years ago when I lived in Spain I had the chance to be present when some of the surviving people from the Spanish Civil War were together to talk about their part in the tragic, bloody affair in the second half of the 1930s.

One would have expected them to sit apart, in little groups, the Communists with fellow Communists, Francophiles with other Francophiles, etc.  But the truth was that they mingled, moved around a lot, asked each other how was their health, traded stories of the various ailments that had overtaken them over the years.

Now you must understand that these very same people had been calling for each others' death during the war.  They had killed, even murdered, in the name of either Revolution (Franco's Falange Party, the Catholic Church & the Monarchists) or the Republic, (Socialists, Democratists, Anarchists, Communists, Labor Movements, Free Thinkers, Non-Catholic religions, etc.)

Yet here they were many years later, 40 to be exact, after the war ended, and they were just a bunch of old coots talking about cholesterol numbers, diabetes and health issues.

When they talked about the war, it was with sadness, looking back at a time when they allowed their passions to get the better of reason.  They killed and saw comrades killed in the name of something they could just have easily discussed and resolved back then.

They could see that now, even if their passions, their need to be right, their need to kill their enemy, had ruled their minds and actions in an earlier time. Some of them had actually started up friendships with old enemies.  True, they might still believe that they were on the side of good, but they no longer ascribed to the other side the name of "the enemy".  It was simply a different way of seeing how things ought to be done,  Nothing more and nothing less.

And believe me, worse things were done than many of us could imagine.  My father-in-law was drafted into Franco's army. He was forced to participate in firing squads where people he had no hatred for were to be executed simply because they came from a village where one man had joined the other side. He saw a Russian General captured by his regiment tortured, defleshed and then, mercifully, shot in the head. His regiment came across entire families dead in their houses because a cousin or other relative joined the other side. Attrocities were rampant and accepted on both sides, and why? Because each side thought it was the only one that was right!

But in the end, no one was right.

Later, with the passage of time, it was all forgiven, and forgiveness was accepted, even if the principals involved did not give up their basic political beliefs.

How many of us get worked up over issues that were all the political rage in the years 1860 or 1900? How many of us get into a state of revolt over state's rights? How many of us believe that slavery should be brought back, or that women should never be allowed to vote? Yet these were all passionate issues once, issues upon which the sanctity and survival of our nation once was thought to rest.

We overestimate and overvalue the issues of our time as THE most important, THE most necessary, THE most vital of all. Yet, this too shall come to pass.

McCain has one way of wanting things done and Obama has another. I don't know who is "right" and who is "wrong". Do either of those terms even hold sway here?

There is no great conspiracy and all the talk about Reverend Wright's words and Cindy McCain's drug use have no relelvence on the fact that one of these two people will win on Novmber 4th.  No matter which side you back, we would all do best to remember that America is not a country of Patriots and Traitors, it is a nation of people who simply have different points of views about nearly everything under the sun.

If we are to emerge from this process as Americans, united as a nation, undivided by party then we perhaps should remember that anyone who opposes our point of view is not a traitor or a pinhead or an evil person seeking the destruction of all we hold dear.

As a veteran I fought for ALL Americans, no matter their political views.  As a private citizen, I still fight for all Americans, even if I disagree with them on petty matters or great matters.  Could it be that we have lost sight of what it means to believe in America, not as a party, or a candidate, but as a nation?  We were not founded to become a nation of people who all think alike, yet we were founded as a nation taught to respect the rights, opinions and views of others, even when they are radically different than our own.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

No Vitaeb, we are just ignorant :)

We think wrong can defend right. We think we are good and they are evil. We think good has to fight evil. We don't understand how our actions hurt others. We can't see consequences. We just don't know any better yet.

We'll learn eventually, I promise :)


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vitaeb 7 years ago from Shenandoah Valley, Virginia

Many young men and women [and older folks as well] vigorously opposed the Vietnam debacle. The violence the American Government committed in the name of fighting communist Russia spilled over into violence in this country. Violence begets violence. In those days [as it is still today] if you opposed the war you were branded unpatriotic. On the other hand if you committed such acts as michine-gunning and bombing civilians in Vietnam, you were deemed a patriot and a hero. As it turned out, it is now recognised that the Vietnam debacle was a gross  mistake and injustice. Yet no one condemns Senator McCain for his role in those acts he participated in. This man Ayers fought on the home front against the war-makers. For that he has been condemned as a terrorist. It would seem that many contributors to this discussion are convinced there is such a thing as righteous violence. When 9/11 occurred, Bush stated that "we do not seek revenge, we seek justice." And with that he began bombing Iraq back to the stone age. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and I don't know how may Afghanis, have been obliterated in the name of justice[?] and the millions still alive in these countries live [hardly live] in terror every day...If I were an Iraqi I know who I would be calling a terrorist.

Let's face it folks. We are all terrorists. We all practice righteous violence. When are we going to wake up and reclaim our humanity? Or am I wrong thinking there is such a thing as humanity? Is it true that we are nothing but violent creatures with no heart, no soul? Am I out of step with reality?


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pacwriter 7 years ago from North Carolina

For the undecided

If Ted Kennedy were on the ballot and not Obama would you vote for him?

Even CNN has said that Obama is even more liberal than Kennedy.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

LOL

And having no fear of retribution is just an indication of complacency :D


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

{{This is what makes America great. We have the freedom to share our views, even when they differ greatly, and we have no fear of retribution from our government.}}

This is not America - it's the Internet ;)


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Considering the amount of comments this hub has gotten since last night, I am not going to comment on every individual comment.

Ralph, I told you before, I don't censor comments unless they are offensive or repeats.

Whoever questioned whether Obama was born in the U.S., that is just silly. Of course he was.

Someone said that Ayers was not a terrorist, that he was a professor at the University of Chicago. Yes, he is a professor. That would be like saying that Bin Laden used to be a terrorist, and now he's just a cave dweller. In his book, Fugitive Days, that he wrote in 2001, he said he wish he had done more. He does not repent for those things he has done. He has never apologized, or condemned his own actions.

Chef Jeff, Rev. Wright has said a lot of things no other preacher would ever say. He once said that the white government was responsible for AIDS. That sounds like a racist conspirary theory to me.

I could go on and on commenting on all the comments I received. I would be here all day. I would like to thank everyone for stopping by and sharing their viewpoints. This is what makes America great. We have the freedom to share our views, even when they differ greatly, and we have no fear of retribution from our government.


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vitaeb 7 years ago from Shenandoah Valley, Virginia

Paraglider and Jewels, I am your fan! Thanks for the Time's article, Jewel. And thanks, Paraglider for the Bush/Thatcher hub. I remember her very distinctly, followed that period from this side of the Atlantic hoping such would never happen here in U.S.A....imagine my naiveté :))


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Jewels 7 years ago from Australia

Totally agree Paraglider. This hub and it's responses has managed to spew another bucket load of black tar in the name of politics. Mostly to the intended detriment of the Democrates. It's quite disgusting.

But this type of discussion is actually causing more problems for the Republicans. I will use the term "it's biting you (the Republicans) on the bum." And while you say you are not biased against Obama Anna Marie, it is exactly what you have passed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...

Here's an article you may like to read. In short it's like the Road Runner (Obama) watching Wile E Coyote (McCain & Palin) set traps that backfire. And they are backfiring badly.


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Realistically, no 3rd party is in with a chance of winning the Presidency. It's going to be Obama or McCain. If US voters care at all for the opinion of the rest of the world, they will not give the job to McCain. Bush has treated the rest of the world with disdain and all the signs are that McCain would do the same, or worse. Anna Marie - I note you are not a McCain fan either, but an anti-Obama hub is a de facto pro McCain one, at this stage in the game.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Anna Marie & SirDent, I think I figured out what happened. I think the edit function timed out while I was editing (adding to) a comment. Sorry for the uproar. Apologies to Anna Marie. I accused her unfairly.

Funnebone, you reveal your ignorance of government and politics, like some others here, by misusing the term "socialism" incorrectly. I suggest you look it up before you use it again. Neither Obama nor any of his supporters embraces "socialism." Actually, Obama is a cautious middle-of-the-road Democrat, almost as middle-of-the-road on the issues as Bill and Hillary Clinton, neither of whom was loved by left wing Democrats. Why don't you speak out on the issues that concern you instead of making silly, meritless ad hominem character attacks?

 


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funnebone 7 years ago from Philadelphia Pa

Great hub Anna. I don't know why you bother debating with some of these people as clearly they are captivated by the great Messiah and have lost ability to reason or scrutinize. The constant accusations of everyone being a racist who isn't naming their next baby Obama is going to backfire on zealots like Ralph. Between ACORN, the racist label and the embracing of socialism, the democrats are far more scary than any WMD we might face.


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pacwriter 7 years ago from North Carolina

yellowcake - the stuff used to produce nuclear weapons - YEP found tons and tons of the tuff in Iraq and just NOW shipped it to Canada. Were there weapons of mass destruction? Was there a nuclear program in Iraq?


SirDent 7 years ago

Yellowburgandy, that is somehting I know nothing about.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

SirDent, Thanks. However, I think another post dealing with ACORN is missing. I said that some ACORN representatives apparently went overboard in Cleveland and apparently violated the law. If they did, they should pay the price. Election law violations are not to be taken lightly. I also read that ACORN has legitimately registered thousands of new voters which is good news, for Obama if not for McCain. So far as I've read they are a legitimate organization. And I don't think it's accurate to blame Obama for ACORN's mistakes or violations of the law. He taught constitutional law at University of Chicago and I'm sure he respects the integrity of voter registration regulations. DK5's diatribe is just another case of guilt by association. I wish he would devote a bit more to the policy issues he considers important and try to do it accurately.

DK5, of course not. Osama Bin Laden is still actively instigating terrorism against the U.S. and our western allies all over the world in contrast to Ayers who has renounced terrorism and has been doing good work teaching and trying to improve public education in Chicago for many years. He was tried and acquitted for terrorist acts 30 years ago. He probably would have and should have been convicted if the prosecutors hadn't screwed up the case. He was wrong and has since renounced terrorism. Besides, there was nothing sinister about Obama's relationship with AYers. Their contacts had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. It's even possible that Obama was not aware of Ayer's terrorist acts which were committed when Obama was only 8 years old. Ayers and Obama were involved in education improvement efforts, not terrorism. Yours is another attempt to slime Obama with guilt by association that isn't working.


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DK5 7 years ago

Does this mean Bin-Laden used to be a terrorist?


Yellowburgandy 7 years ago from Nevada

and Ralph Deeds? Listen to yourself, my oh my, he used to be a terrorist, sheesh, are you excusing Ayers?


Yellowburgandy 7 years ago from Nevada

SirDent, didn't Obama sit on the board of the company that owns Fact Check? Just curious?


SirDent 7 years ago

Ralph Deeds says:2 hours ago

DK5, you are making a mistake continuing to dig a dry hole as pointed out by several conservative pundits. The mud and lies you are slinging isn't sticking to the wall. Ayers is not a terrorist. He holds the title of Distinguished Professor of education at U of Illinois, Chicago. For many years he has been involved in various organizations which are funded by conservative Republicans as well as Democrats including Obama, which are devoted to improving education in Chicago. It's true that Ayers was a founder of the Weather Underground and committed terrorist acts for which he was tried but not convicted due to egregious prosecutorial misconduct. He has long since condemned "all forms of terrorism." I suggest you read up on Ayers and try to be more accurate in the future. Doing so will improve your chances of getting through the Pearly Gate!:-)

It is still there Ralph.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

I repeat, where is my previous comment? In it I pointed out that the Weather Underground has been defunct for 20 or 30 years. DK5 apparently doesn't distinguish between present and past tense.

I also pointed out that he's missing the signals from the McCain camp--the mud being slung at Obama isn't sticking. The personal attacks aren't working. In fact they may actually be helping Obama and hurting McCain.

Obama supporters aren't carping about Ms. McCain's PAST issues with prescription drugs or calling her a DRUG ADDICT. And they aren't dredging up adverse ancient information about McCain as DK5 is doing about Obama. Obama is trying to keep his supporters on the issues that are important to voters. Guess what? It appears to be working!

SirDent, According to Wikipedia, "In a letter to the Chicago Tribune Ayers wrote 'I condemn all forms of terrorism, individual, group and official.' He also condemned the 9-11 terrorist attacks in that letter. 'Today we are sitnessing crimes against humanity on our own shore in unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response.'"

I've been unable to find a copy of Ayers' entire letter which was written in 2001.


SirDent 7 years ago

Ralph I read that comment the last time I was here. You may have overlooked it. But since I am here again. When did Ayers repent from being a terrorist?


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Anne Marie, are you not approving my comments? Either you want to have a lively discussion or not. If you want a discussion, stop censoring comments! What happened to my previous comment directed to DK5 pointing out that Ayers is NOT a terrorist. He is a distinguished professor at U of Illinois, Chicago. He WAS a terrorist many years ago, when Obama was 8 years old and so forth. Please post my comment or this person won't be participating in your HubPage.


SirDent 7 years ago

I can't believe some of these comments. Obama's birth certificate was sent Factcheck.org and they examined it and took pictures of it. It is potsed on their site. The certificate is real and states that he was born in Hawaii.

The comments seem more like a pissing contest here. I read the huib absd enjoyed reading it. It is well written and well researched. I appreciate the author taking a stance. I think everyonbe should.

Anna Marie Bowman, I applaud you.


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DK5 7 years ago

Fact: William Ayers is  a terrorist  Leader of the Weathermen Underground a  designated domestic terrorist organization responsible for the deaths of three police officers, three of its own members and  countless BOMBINGS of both government and personal properties.  It is not an Opinion. It is a Fact.  Obama and Ayers are friends. Ayers had the first political  fundraisers for Obama. Obama was appointed by Ayers to lead the Annenburg Project. It is also a Fact not an Opinion. ACORN is involved in voter fraud. Another Fact not an opinion. Obama was a pioneer with ACORN and has donated 700,000 dollars to them this election cycle. Fact Not an Opinion . Obama worked as a community organizer over three years for them. These are all facts,not opinions.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

We could sit here and trade stupid rumors, accusations and half-truths, and even a few good lies, forever, but the fact is, your opinion is only our opinion,  It doesn't mean anything.

And until we all learn that simple lesson, we are doomed to pointless talk and mindless banter.  Nothing is real just because someone proclaims it so.

Get a grip.  We're not looking at the anti-Christ here!

You know people once said similar things about Nixon - that he was a secret Communist because he went to China.  Rubbish!  That kind of talk belongs in NAZI Germany and Stalinist Russia, not here!


Yellowburgandy 7 years ago from Nevada

Is it true that Obama cannot provide documentation that he is a natural born U.S. citizen? Or a U.S. citizen at all?


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DK5 7 years ago

Ralph, The Conservative pundits that you speak of don't speak for me. William Ayers is a Terrorist. His Wife is a Terrorist. He may be a distinguished professor to you and some others but that does not make it so. Americans are learning more and more about Barack and Ayers and you can't stop it. Why are you so threatened? Why not let the voters decide? Adolph Hitler had his admirers also.


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DK5 7 years ago

yellowburgandy. You are correct. And to make matters worse the Democrats were giving them a huge stake in the original bailout plan. Makes one sick.


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DK5 7 years ago

Nothing but facts, People are apparently waking up. Zogby has Obama by four and Rasmussen now has Obama by Five. That is over a five point swing for McCain in a week. Taking into account the Bradley effect that puts McCain ahead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect


Yellowburgandy 7 years ago from Nevada

DK5, Acorn was also the core that caused this economic crisis that we are in.


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DK5 7 years ago

Hi Allshookup.This is what ACORN does,Voter Fraud on a large scale. They have endorsed Barack Obama. He worked as a "community organizer" for them for three years training these people to use the same tactics they are using today. The media will downplay this and the Obama Campaign will use intimidation to suppress it. Michael Barone has a good article on the tactics being used by the Obama campaign .http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-co...


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

DK5, you are making a mistake continuing to dig a dry hole as pointed out by several conservative pundits. The mud and lies you are slinging isn't sticking to the wall. Ayers is not a terrorist. He holds the title of Distinguished Professor of education at U of Illinois, Chicago. For many years he has been involved in various organizations which are funded by conservative Republicans as well as Democrats including Obama, which are devoted to improving education in Chicago. It's true that Ayers was a founder of the Weather Underground and committed terrorist acts for which he was tried but not convicted due to egregious prosecutorial misconduct. He has long since condemned "all forms of terrorism." I suggest you read up on Ayers and try to be more accurate in the future. Doing so will improve your chances of getting through the Pearly Gate!:-)


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

DK5, You brought up Acorn. I saw on the news a few minutes ago that they are taking witness' testamonies about their ways of registering people. I saw one man testify. They had him register to vote 73 times. What's up with that?


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DK5 7 years ago

Just a few observations. Just the facts. Read em and weep.

William Ayers is a terrorist. His wife is a terrorist. Barrack was appointed to lead the Annenberg project by terrorist Ayers. Terrorist William Ayers and Terrorist wife held Barack Obama's first ever political fundraiser in their home.Terrorist Ayers and Obama both funneled money to ACORN through the Annenberg Project. Terrorist Ayers and Obama also were two of twelve people serving on the board at the Woods Foundation. The terrorist Ayers family are more than just someone living in Barack's neighborhood .Those are the facts. Read em and weep.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

Oh, by the way the picture you put up at the top with Obama not putting his hand over his heart - the video shows that nothing was going on at that moment, so it looks good as if he is not patriotic, but it really is just more propaganda to help us make bad choices.

I don't really care if you think Obama is not the best choice for president but please don't use misinformation to prove your point. I say the same to the Obama people. Keep it honest, for once!


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

Just a few observations.

William Ayers was hired by the Annenberg family to work on a charity.  The same Annenberg family now suports John McCain.  The same Annenberg family also hired Barack Obama to work on the same charity as Wm. Ayers.

Rev. Wright said nothing any white preacher has not said already, and many of them support and are contributers to John McCain.  Rev. Wright also did not preach hatred for 20 years.  He preached a lot of very ordinary sermons.  One time he was recorded in his church and this was sent out for the purpose of making Obama guilty by association.  And you believed it!

Look at the entire sermon and you'll find that it is based on the Bible, the Old Testament!

All politicians have made acquaintences during their careers.  Not all of those acquaintences have been "good guys.

As for Rezko and Obama's home, it was well and widely reported that Mrs. Rezco bought the vacant land next to the Obama's because the family that sold that house to the Obamas would only sell the property intact.  Obama didn't have enough money to buy the whole property, so Mrs. Rezco bought it.  As of today I have seen no charges brought up against Mrs. Rezko.

This kind of bullshit and smole and mirrors does our nation no good.  People all around the world laugh at us daily because we are so stupid and inclined to believe the bullshit our candidates say while we keeping thinking that our guy never lies and only the other guy is lying.

Wake up and smell the dead fish, people.  We are not electing saints, and all politicians lie or tell half-truths against their opponents.  Grown up.


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SweetiePie 7 years ago from Southern California, USA

Anna, However, we must keep in mind that too much is being made of his association with Ayers and this British website points out how: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselect... McCain and Palin should have chided protesters who went to this extreme, but they were silent and often silence conveys approval. Some of Obama's opponents said he joined terrorists groups in the sixties, even though at that time he was just a kid and at home with his mom. I was not referring to the mathematical error on your hub which I do not see any of, but I do think you are slightly biased against Barack Obama, but we all have a bias and I must say I am biased against John McCain, especially after he nominated Sarah Palin. However, I do respect your research and we are all entitled to our own opinions.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

SweetiePie- I have issues with McCain, as well. I also know that there is a difference between helping parolees and being friends with an un-repentant terrorist. I am also positive that there are no mathematical errors in any association I have listed here. I did not say that Obama was friends with Ayers during the time when he bombed buildings. I said that they were friends in the 1990s, and Obama was definitely an adult by then. He is young, but not that young.


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SweetiePie 7 years ago from Southern California, USA

The days leading up to the election always get a little testy and mind slinging, but I can say without a doubt that Obama's affiliations are no more suspect than those of John McCain.  I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Obama and it saddens me that his opponents are still trying to discredit him via who he associates with.  Many people help former parolees, but if we go with the way of thinking we should never associate with them how will they ever be rehabiliated.  Also, there were extreme mathematical errors in several associations Obama was linked to as he was only a child at the time.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

yellowburgandy- I know there are several interesting affiliations that I left out. I do not have the names handy, but could add that information.

Ralph- I see that you have not made a comment on the proof of that voting stance that you requested. While the link to the article you sent is interesting, I never once accused Obama of being a Muslim. I don't think I wrote anything in this hub about him being a muslim.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Here is the sicko source of the lies about Obama that have been flooding the Internet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13ma...


Yellowburgandy 7 years ago from Nevada

A very interesting hub, but you left some people out of his circle of affiliations including his supposedly cousin in kenya that is also a political radical, and what about the guy who helped him get into harvard? What was his name?


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Thank you, Spryte!! I feel that everyone has the right to say what they want. That's why I never denied a comment unless I had good reason to, and always provided an explanation. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the only thing I have a problem with is when there are accusations thrown at me, or someone else, for having an opinion that differs with someone else's. Thank you for your comments.


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

Anna - Nice hub and very well written. I think you were very generous in pointing out that while nobody should be judged by their associations, who a person associates with does speak volumes about their ability to be a good judge of character. :)

Obama makes me uneasy as well. I'm in the same boat too, since I am an Independent voter with a usual tendency to swing Democrat. This time I simply can't.

I won't go on and on about all my reasons because quite frankly, I don't enjoy lowering myself to the same standards as his rabid followers. It's all been done to death here on the hubs and it leaves me rather nauseous. I just wanted to let you know that I gave you a big ol' thumbs up on this...simply for exercising your freedom of speech and opinion in a very clear and concise manner.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ralph, check SB1094 from the Illinois Congress. "Provides that it is the intent of the General Assembly to protect the life of a child born alive as the result of an induced labor abortion..." He voted 'present' which is the same thing as a no, as only yeses, count towards passing a bill.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

DK5, dilation and extraction is the correct medical term for a rare procedure that is performed in order to save the life of the mother.

Anna Marie, I would be interested in the exact wording of the bill that Obama voted against rather than your interpretation or description of it.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Just for the record, Obama also voted against a bill the required life-saving medical care for babies born due to botched abortions. That is when an abortion goes wrong and the baby starts to breath. Basically, it's supporting letting a baby die, just because the mother didn't want it, and the doctors screwed up during the abortion. That sounds like murder to me, or at the very least, supporting medical neglect.


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DK5 7 years ago

Ok Ralph,Obama supports partial birth Abortion Has voted for it 100 % of the time.His wife Michelle,Remember the one who is never proud of her country had a fundraiser to support the procedure. what is partial birth abortion?Here you go,you asked for it.

The procedure is usually performed during the last trimester of gestation up to the end of the ninth month. The woman's cervix is dilated, and the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. Then he proceeds to pull the baby into the birth canal. The abortionist then delivers the baby's body, feet first, all but the baby's head. The abortionist inserts a sharp object into the back of the baby's head, removes it, and inserts a vacuum tube through which the brains are sucked out. The head of the baby collapses at this point and allows the aborted baby to be delivered lifelessly.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

If you're talking to me, I'm not in favor of sex education in schools. That is the parents job. Not the teachers or the governments. Ralph, I know you know where I stand, now don't you? But, if you saw him talking at the church in Cali, you saw him say that he would be ok with his daughter aborting if she had sex before marriage and got pregnant, calling the baby a 'mistake.' You did watch that didn't you?


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VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA 7 years ago from India.

It is easy to analyse the past. But all should accept that when a problem comes, our reaction starts from the level where we were placed. It may be hurting some and helping some. Take the case of Falklands. A few days before the 1982 turmoil, Britain and Argentina were friendly. Suddenly, Argentina annexed Falklands and Britains taskforce was sent to recapture the island. Sudden and unexpected developments force a Govt. to act unusually. After a long gap of decades, we analyse what went wrong. History cannot be repeated. The US may have helped erratic Govts. but with a purpose. Overall welfare of the US is more important than a particular nation which invited the wrath of the US. More look into the future rather than the past. India had to face the US 7th fleet in Indian Ocean in 1971 during war with Pakistan. But now, US shakes hands with India. That is historical necessity.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

I don't recall any support from Obama for "murdering babies." Oh, I forgot that you are using the language in your own special way. Obama has said he supports positive steps to reduce the number of abortions, such as comprehensive sex education, including information on contraception, in public schools. I assume you are in favor of that. Obama also supports the limitations on abortions contained in Rowe v. Wade.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

DK5, I agree with you 100% about what it says about Obama's character that he is for murdering babies. And too, the dems have had control of the money for a while, it's just easier to blame the other party because he's sitting in the White House. They did the same thing about the depression. Remember? Still, I am not a dem or a repub. I'm just me. I just happen to agree with you on those issues. How someone can murder a baby is beyond me. Good post. LOL on the Acorn question. They are a slimy bunch! They'll get a lot of illegal votes this election sadly. I wish they were patroled better.


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DK5 7 years ago

Correction ,Barack Obama supports partial birth abortion 100% of the time.That is when they suck the brains out of a living baby as old as 9 months. how can you look at yourself in the mirror Denmark model? And just for the record the Democrats have controlled this countries purse strings since 2006. The economy was rolling,unemployment was at 4.5 percent when they took over.


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DK5 7 years ago

Great work. I should have read your hub first. I'm with you,your probably a little nicer.  model 12 should go back to Denmark,she can't understand how someone would choose to have a baby rather than kill one? Barack Obama supports partial birth abortion 100% of the time. That is when they suck the brains out of a living baby as old as 6 months. What the hell is she doing here anyway??? She work for ACORN?


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

allshookup- I have noticed that. They either assume that I am a McCain supporter, or that I am racist, or both. It seems as if I can't disagree with someone or not like them for no other reason that being racist. If it were Mayor Daly I would have the same feelings.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Anna, have you noticed that if you say anything that is not totally positive about Obama, most of what you get back is people assuming that you are for McCain and Bush then they attack. But, you know how people look when they assume right? Well, that's how people look when they do that. LOL Kinda humorus to watch.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Latrelle- I think being involved with racist radicals like Rev. Wright, or a felon convicted of corruption involving political officials is important. I don't like the idea of having a corrupt person in the highest office in this country.

Model12- If you had bothered to read through the comments, you will see that I posted a comment in an effort to clear this matter up a little. I do not plan on voting for McCain/Palin. I do tend to lean more conservative on a lot of issues, but I plan on voting for Bob Barr. And last time I checked, his running mate was not Palin. I DO happen to like the woman very much, though I do disagree with her on that particular issue. I never said that sitting on a board with a killer (or terrorist, in this case) makes you one, but when you consider someone a friend who is an un-repentant terrorist, it raises a few red flags for me. I have no issue with the color of Barack Obama's skin, I have issues with MANY of his stances, MANY of his associations, and a lot of his policies and views. On another note, from your experience in Denmark, did you like the idea of a big chunk of the money you earned, and that you deserve, went to take care of people who refuse to take care of themselves? Because that is a serious problem in this country. I know several people who live off the welfare system only because they don't want to work, and they know they can get away with it. I have no problem helping people out who really deserve it, but there is little in the way of checking for fraud in the welfare system in this country, and people who choose to take advantage of the system, get away with it. I have a big problem with giving away my money to people who aren't willing to work for their own.


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model12 7 years ago from santa monica

I don't even know how you can look yourself in the mirror as a woman and even think to elect a woman like Sarah Palin, who think it is right that a woman gets raped and she should live with the pain of that every day by having that child. Any woman who would even think to elect her should be ashamed of themselves. This is 2008, grow up America. I come from denmark a welfare state, why is it a welfare state because we pay 40-50% in taxes and we get free health care and free education , no one lives or dies on the street. I pay 30 in Ca and I get nothing I dont even get a clean highway to drive on , where does all my money go to McCain's interest groups cause that is all republicans are. The same people that I guess you think are such great people that he surrounds himself with. The same people who now caused your 401 k plan to be at 0. The only problem you could ever have with Obama is that he is black why don't you just say it? A side note is : If you sat on the board with a killer does that make you one ?


Latrelle Ross 7 years ago

Responsible journalists (which is what we should be here at HubPages) differentiate between true fact and smear.

"A smear campaign is an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character. "Mud slinging", like negative campaigning, most often targets government officials, politicians, political candidates...A smear is a simple attempt to malign a group or an individual and to attempt to undermine their credibility.~~~Smears often consist of ad hominem attacks in the form of unverifiable rumors and are...half-truths... smear campaigns are often propagated by gossip spreading. Even when the facts behind a smear are shown to lack proper foundation, the tactic is often effective because the target's reputation is tarnished before the truth is known.~~~Smears are also effective in diverting attention away from the matter in question and onto the individual or group. The target of the smear is typically forced to defend his reputation rather than focus on the previous issue.~~~Smear tactics are considered by many to be a low, disingenuous form of discourse; they are nevertheless very common" - thank you Wikipedia

Simply put ~ we should be selecting our next commander in chief based on his economic policies, foreign diplomacy, social programs, military policies, etc. In other words their QUALIFICATIONS.~~~These associations have been taken out of context and blown out of proportion in order to smear Senator Obama's reputation.~~~But hey, that's politics.~~~He's a big boy~~~He can take it.

Thank you all for the debate ;~D


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Venugopal- Thanks for stopping by and commenting. There are ways to skew a line without departing from it, or erasing it.


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VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA 7 years ago from India.

I request Mr. Barack Obama to take note of what Mr.Lyndon B.Johnson in his book "My view from the White House" has said. He says that when he entered the White House, he wanted to draw in a neat white paper. But he found a line already drawn in the paper, which he could not ignore and had to continue the line. All actions of previous Governments would have some justifications of their own. A new entrant can never depart from the already drawn line. It is his duty, if ever he becomes President to uphold the US constitution, welfare and long term safety of its citizens.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Plenty of them although they can't do so without the support of Congress which they frequently don't have. Lyndon Johnson more than fulfilled his promises on civil rights. Clinton fulfilled many if not all. He was faced with a GOP controlled Congress led by Newt Gingrich. Roosevelt brought about more significant changes in the country than any president since Abraham Lincoln. The extent to which election campaign promises are fulfilled vary considerably depending on the situation. You put your finger on one reason why change is hard is the growing influence of lobbying and campaign contrigutions from corporations and other groups such as the NRA and other groups. Through lobbying and campaign contributions corporations have largely co-opted the government agencies who are supposed to be regulating them. Health insurance companies have been able to block any kind of rational health care reform. And drug companies write the regulations covering their industry. The system is far from perfect. However, in this election the results will be very different under McCain from what they will be under Obama. I have no illusions that Obama will be able to deliver on all or even the majority of his campaign proposals. The deteriorated deficit and economic situation will impose severe constraints on what he can accomplish.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Ralph,

How many presidents you remember who fulfilled what they promised in their election campaign? I think you may recall a few who made something, and not a single one who fulfilled everything.

My understanding is that national leader is very limited in his decisions, being like between rock and stone between interests of various groups that financed his campaign - and population. He has to walk a thin line to be able to at least partially satisfy all those and keep his job and life - and this really does not leave him too much room for maneuver.

So whatever they say during elections and what they do after it are two altogether different animals. And the later is defined mostly by things common to both parties - hence my statement that they are not too different, and my stance that elections are just a way to channel population activity and dissipate the anger. It's an illusion of choice, and an illusion of power to change things on a state level.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Perfectly alright. I know that I have the right to deny comments, but only do so when it's necessary, and I feel it's respectful to give a reason for it.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Sorry. I deleted it too.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ralph, you posted the same comment about ten minutes apart. I denied the second simply because it was a repeat. No offense was intended.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Sorry, accidental double post!


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

So, if you want a longer war in Iraq, lower taxes for the rich, abortions outlawed, fewer consumer protections, greater unilateralism in U.S. foreign policy, more conservatives like Scalia and Thomas on the Supreme Court, privatized health care and Social Security you should vote for McCain. For the reverse, vote for Obama. The differences are quite significant, in my opinion.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ralph, instead of posting something of this length as a comment, why not create a hub sharing your views on the issue. If you have, feel free to post a link here.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Misha, you need to read up a bit on the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Here are a few:

1. Obama and McCain will appoint very different kinds of judges to the U.S. Supreme Court. If McCain is elected women can kiss Rowe v. Wade goodby. Obama judges would be more friendly to consumers, trade unions, civil rights and personal privacy while McCain judges would be more pro-business and be less protective of consumers. Obama judges would be more likely to oppose capital punishment while McCain judges would surely be supportive of capital punishment.

2. Obama will be more inclined to regulate corporations and banks than McCain whos record is one of supporting de-regulation, leaving problems and consumer protections to the free market. He would appoint judges who lean toward free market ideology.

3. Their taxation proposals are very different. McCain would support tax breaks for the rich and for corporations. Obama's proposal calls for allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled. Historically, Democrats have supported more progressive taxation favoring the poor and middle income people, while the Republicans have supported regressive taxation which bears more heavily on lower income taxpayers.

4.  Obama recognizes that we live in an increasingly interdependent world which requires the strengthening of international institutions to solve trade, economic and financial issues, human rights issues, global climate change, natural disasters, disasters, genocide and the like. McCain would, like Bush be more of a unilateralist in foreign affairs.

5. Obama supports the preservation and strengthening of Social Security and Medicare. McCain supported Bush's proposal to privatize Social Security, turning Social Security contributions over to Wall Street. Recently, McCain said that Social Security and Medicare benefits will have to be reduced.

6. Obama supports steps to enable the growing numbers of people with no health insurance to be able to be insured. McCain wants to privatize health care and has proposed a radical solution which just about everybody says will discourage many employers from providing health care to their employees. [He would not permit a tax deduction of the cost of health care insurance provided to their employees. McCain believes market solutions wiill solve the health care problems in this country. Obama's proposal stops short of universal single payer insurance, but it would do a lot more to improve health care than would McCain's proposal.

7. Obama opposed the needless, costly, reckless invasion of Iraq in 2002 before the invasion, and he would end it sooner than McCain who supported it from the beginning. McCain would be more likely to do something crazy like bombing Iran than would Obama.

8. Obama recognizes that military solutions are not the most effective way to deal with terrorism. Effective measures require international cooperation and economic and health assistance as well as military action. McCain is still talking about "victory" in Iraq although nearly everyone recognizes that victory by whatever definition is unlikely.

Now, I agree that the differences between the Democrats and the Republicans are not as great as the differences between labor or socialist parties and conservative parties in many other countries. Both the Democrats and the Republican parties support free enterprise and market solutions. However, they differ greatly on the amount and nature of the regulation required to assure that the market system delivers honestly on its promises.

 


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Sarah Palin is not remotely qualified to run for Vice President, let alone to take over should McCain become incapacitated or die in office. She is becoming a joke all over the world.


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shibashake 7 years ago

The United States, just like any other country, has done some good things, and we have also made some mistakes. Just because someone points out some of those mistakes does not make them unpatriotic in my mind. It is useful to admit our mistakes and learn from them, and the only way we do that is by bringing it up and talking about it. Just because someone disagrees with us or with our government does not make them unpatriotic. Just because my best friend is someone that disagrees with the government does not mean that I share exactly those same views. These witch-hunts have occurred several times in our history and those have not been our most shining moments.

As for the deregulation of health-care, well, we have had great deregulation in the financial industry in the past decade, and it has brought us to this economic meltdown. I personally like free-market systems, but some regulation is always needed. Even Adam Smith would agree to that. Something like health-care, needs a fair amount of government oversight (regulation) because if left to the greed of individuals, many people will get disenfranchised.

Finally, if Obama is a scary choice, then I really don't know what Sarah Palin is. I think her interviews with Katie Couric and the VP debate says it all.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

I have to agree with you there, Misha. I don't look forward to Obama's forced upon us health care program. Those of us that can't afford health care, being forced into sub-standard, government controlled health care. I have had to deal with government controlled health care, and I was not impressed. I don't like the idea of the government telling me what I should and shouldn't do.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

I don't think I agree to you Ralph, sorry. Democrats and Republicans are not that different IMO, and they get their money from more or less the same sources, and Machiavelli's works are still the textbooks of every national leader. Those that don't follow his advice don't stay for long :)

In fact, Democrats are more inclined to make government responsible for more and more areas of our life, and I bet by now we would have had almost if not all finance nationalized, and probably a big part of the industry, too :)


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

allshookup, obviously not. With a Democrat there wouldn't have been a huge tax cut for the richest 2%, and we wouldn't have been torturing prisoners, spying on Americans, politicizing the Justice Department, outing Valerie Plame, etc.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Thanks, LdsNana!

allshookup- I try to. In the course of doing my biography and issues hubs on each candidate, I had to bite my tongue, so to speak, to keep from including editorial opinions. Several times I just wanted to add a comment to a particular issue stance, or candidate's opinion.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Anna, my husband plans on voting with you, for Barr. I was too until Palin came along. I just feel I have to vote against Obama. And you just proved the reason I am going to do that. Good hub and nice how you stayed non-bias. :)


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LdsNana-AskMormon 7 years ago from Southern California

Nice to get some straight facts.

tDMg

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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ken- Thank you for your comments!!


Ken Harouff 7 years ago

It is amazing when speaking with Obama supporters that all the facts are "wrong-fabricated-untrue" yet any fact they bring up about McCain is Gospel. The last 15 months the media has given more positive time to Democrat candidates and less time with more negatives to the Republicans. This has been proven thru multiple agencies that keep track of the media bias. When are we going to see equal time? when are we going to see the real truth?

As far as Ralph Deeds, Pay attention- The President is not a dictator! Blame your Democratic held congress of the last two years. They sign things into law, not the President. The economy was going well the first 4 years or he would not have been re-elected! Shortsighted people with no memory of real history should stay out of politics. There where several Republicans in 2004 blowing the whistle on Freddie/Fannie and it was the Democrats on the committee who brushed it off and gave Freddie/Fannie the go ahead on what they where doing. Check the facts!


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Just to clear things up for people who seem to assume that I am a McCain supporter, or that I am a Republican, I have no party affiliation, I am not voting for McCain, or Obama. I plan on voting for Bob Barr. Are you satisfied? Can we put that to rest?


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Ralph, are you saying that if there was a Democrat in the White House that there would be no taxes or any of that other stuff? Are you saying that Democrats are perfect and if in the White House would do nothing wrong?


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Misha, some rather important details would not have been the same if we had had a Democrat in the White House. Taxation, torture of prisoners, trashing the constitution, criminality in the Justice Department, failure to use the excecutive branch's regulatory powers and so forth.


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

In The Doghouse- Thank you for your comments! I know that my posting this will not sway the hearts of those that have already made up their minds. As you said, I only wish to give people information. If I were interested in just voicing my opinion, and not caring about facts, I would have gone about it far differently.


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In The Doghouse 7 years ago from California

Anna Marie,

I have decided it is very brave to post a conservative viewpoint on a forum that is clearly liberal. Bravo, my friend! Conservatives are just that, conservative and so IMHO the majority of the time the loudest voices that can heard are the liberal ones who "call for a change!"

Your information has caused me to study the facts as you have presented them, in more depth. I believe this is the reason you have intended to publish this Hub, so as far as I am concerned you have done an excellent job in producing it.

I do not believe that anyone will be swayed in their opinions by arguing as is witnessed by the above comments and such as the official political debates have become.

It has come to the point, I believe, where we must weigh out the lesser of the two evils when it come to the candidates. Neither are innocent, and the mud slinging is simply getting tiring. That said, when it comes down to it I will quote WC Fields, " Hell, I never vote for anybody, I always vote against."

As WC Fields is known for his comedic negativity, this quote just seemed to sadly fit this election. The decision as an American people is now ours to decide which candidate will be the "lesser". Your information has greatly added to my research, thank you.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Latrelle Ross, are you saying that Obama didn't write the preface for Ayers book? Or that he didn't sit under Wright for 2 decades? Which part of that is not true?


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

Ralph, I am not a racist. And if you are going to call anyone a racist, maybe you should be pointing a finger at Rev. Wright, and not me. And I never said anywhere in this hub that I wanted a republican in the White House. Once again, someone assumes that because I don't like Obama, I must support McCain and be a republican. On another note, I denied your other comment, because rude attacks on other hubbers for no reason other than the fact that they disagree with you is wrong, and I don't have any respect for such comments.

allshookup- I can't answer that question. It boggles my mind as well. If John McCain were friends with the Unabomber, liberal media, and Obama would be all over it. It really makes no sense.

Latrelle- I do have my facts straight. I will find have to dig up the places I found my info and post links. I have no problem proving that you are wrong.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Ralph, I think it's a natural process. Be it democrats, details could have been different, but the results pretty much the same...


Latrelle Ross 7 years ago

You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. You, my friend, are part of the problem. All of this info is from various smear campaigns against Senator Obama. Check your facts.


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allshookup 7 years ago from The South, United States

Anna, I have qustion and I've asked it before, yet I've not gotten an answer. There are so many people today who claim to be well-educated, well-rounded, etc etc, so how is it that all these smart people can't see how important it is that Obama is friends with all of these people who are anything but good people? Why do they turn a blind eye to his actions taken with these people? Do they want the next president to be buddies with self-proclaimed terrorists? Or a racist? Or a person who doesn't want to put his hand over his heart for the pledge or love the flag? These people seem to be showing a great deal of their 'smartness' in still supporting him after finding out these facts.


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Ralph Deeds 7 years ago

Anna Marie, your hub is at best total crapola and at worst barely disguised racism! Why would anyone want 4 more years of a Republican in the White House after being lied into a foolish, reckless, needless, costly war, after losing the respect of most of our allies, after huge budget deficits and a gigantic national debt, after huge tax cuts for the richest 2% of the country and for corporations and after running the economy into the greatest crisis since the Great Depression and wiping out much of the savings of ordinary Americans.


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

That's the anti-spam system at work :)


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

No, I wasn't talking to myself. I was responding to a comment, but didn't realize it until after I had responded that the comment had been marked as spam, though not by me. I don't even recall getting the comment...weird...


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Misha 7 years ago from DC Area

Are you talking to yourself Anna? ;)

Oh, and you should vote for Obama! Serioulsy! ;)


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Anna Marie Bowman 7 years ago from Florida Author

bobgnote--why does every liberal, or person who disagrees with me, automatically assume I am a republican?? I am not. I do lean more conservative than I do liberal, though I agree with liberals on gay marriage and environmental issues. On the Keating issue, McCain was cleared of any charges, and if you are going to make a point, at least be correct in your information. His name is Antoin Rezko, aka. Tony Rezko, not Matthew, as you stated.


bobgnote 8 years ago

The best books in the Bible are Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Revelations, or what?

The only OTHER time Rev. Jesse Jack showed any positive character, since he mustered up with US clergy to resolve the Iranian hostage crisis, was when he went off on Obama, for tweaking Rev. Wright.  Of course, he apologized a lot.

Jack probably found out fellow Running Back Joe Biden was going in, as Veep, but notice how Obama had or was about to get with AIPAC, at the time Jack spoke, in Rev. Wright's favor.

Also, Fra. Pfleger was over-adjusted, by the Obama cultists, for his TV tryst.  But that is the way Obama-cultists go in, like a load of harpies, pushing a purge.

Obama draws so many pigs, how can he keep himself in lipstick?  When collapse happens, I wouldn't want to be a pig in traffic, trying to slash up, at everything.

Your comments about Obama's sometime companions for open or academic discourse show you have a poor sense of media agendas, like any Republican, trying to bury the US Constitution, in purge-rhetoric, now that your college proved to have smart but non-English as first language people, who were able to compete with you, successfully.

You mention Matthew Rezko, like any uninformed Republican, who forgot about CHARLES KEATING and McCain's embarrassing buzzes, in Chuckie's favor.

Are you SURE you aren't a Republican? If it quacks like a duck, it might be a duck, but when it oinks . . . maybe it needs lipstick.


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Anna Marie Bowman 8 years ago from Florida Author

Meric, I don't know what to say to your comment. You called me a pseudo intellectual, yet you can't even spell the word writing correctly, and you failed to end a sentence that was supposed to be a question with the proper punctuation. You accuse me of being racist. That couldn't be further from the truth. I have many friends who are of many different races. I don't think your statistic that 85% of the people in this country are caucasian is accurate. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, for the year 2000 (it's only done every 10 years) the percentage of caucasians in this country was only 75%.


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laringo 8 years ago from From Berkeley, California.

Yes you can take a person for their word until you learn otherwise and that is why Obama has distanced himself from controversy which seems to follow him, simply it's because of who he is. Trust me I know. Some of us have to prove ourselves a lot more than others. His record of service especially organizing and helping those who had lost their jobs in Chicago and platform he is presenting should in no way be a constant distraction of what he is talking about now and what he wants to do to turn our nation around. I have planned to write a Hub about Barack Obama who has already made history in this country. I appreciate your feedback to my original response.


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Aya Katz 8 years ago from The Ozarks

Anna Marie, great hub.

Laringo, one doesn't have to be a McCain supporter in order to be concerned about Barack Obama's record. We should not take anybody at their word. We should look at their record. The place to discuss what is wrong with each candidate's record and platform is in a hub about that particular candidate.


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laringo 8 years ago from From Berkeley, California.

I think you are looking for anything not to like or trust Mr. Obama. There are many people that we may come across in our lives that may appear to be good and decent people and may be polished at projecting that image. Unless you can see into someone's mind we all usually take people for their word. After the fact should not have any consequence to Mr. Obama or whomever. Have you ever heard of the "Keating Five" and John Mc Cains' ties to that scandal? No one is talking about that. If you are going to point the finger at one, then please do it to all.


MERIC 8 years ago

IT IS A SHAME MS MARIE THAT YOU. HIDE YOUR TRUE RACIAL HATRED BEHIND YOUR LONG SPEECHES. yOU ARE WHAT THE INTELLIGENT CALL A PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A POINT YOU JUST TRY TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND SPEAK CLEVER. BUT THE TRUTH IS MISSING FROM YOUR THOUGHTS. THERE ARE 300MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY 85%IS CAUCASION (CIA FACTS)DO THE MATH. THAT MEANS MOST INDUSTRIES AND POLICE FORCES ARE MADE UP OF YOU. WHAT IF 50, 000 PEOPLE SURROUNDED YOU AND STARTED YELLING HATE WHAT WOULD YOU DO. AMERICA IS "I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY BUT I WOULD DIE FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT." THAT IS THE TRUTH THAT AMERICA HAS LOST. SO JUST KEEP WRITRING CLEVER.


Ananta65 8 years ago

Nobody is accusing you of trying to take over the world, Anna Marie. Some of you are just acknowledging the mistakes the US have made.


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Anna Marie Bowman 8 years ago from Florida Author

Yes, and sometimes it is the duty of the biggest, strongest boy in the classroom to stand up for the smaller ones being picked on by the really dangerous bullies, the ones with knives instead of just fists.

With great power, comes great responsibility. (I know this is a line from Spiderman, but it fits)

I wasn't trying to make a statement that Europe should be forever indebted to us, just that sometimes it is necessary to get involved for the better of the world. Sometimes, like the case with Iraq (I never felt there was any reason for going into Iraq), it served no purpose, and was a stupid move. The United Nations is supposed to be the "police force" for the world, yet they sit idly by and do nothing. Like the case with Russia's invasion of Georgia. The UN essentially has it's hands tied behind it's back while Russia invaded another country. The United States isn't trying to take over the world. We are not bent on conquring the world. If that were the case, Mexico and Canada would already be a part of the US. We aren't beating up neighboring countries and forcing them to give us their lunch money.


Ananta65 8 years ago

Anna Marie, I don’t take anything people say as THE TRUTH. Every view is biased, even mine. I merely wanted to point out that there are different viewing points that can be taken. I’m not saying that the US (or any other country for that matter) doesn’t have the right to defend itself.

As for WWII… Thank you. I was unaware that we Europeans had to remain grateful for the remainder of our existence, bend down on our knees and keep our criticism to ourselves.

But seriously, a good act does not entitle a country (or person) to do as it pleases. What those terrorists did was wrong, very wrong. There is no doubt about that. But that doesn’t make the things the US did right, does it?

If you’re the biggest and strongest boy in the classroom and you bully the smaller ones long enough, then there will come a time that these smaller boys come back at you. And knowing they’re smaller and weaker it will not be a fair fight they put up.

“The more you care, the stronger you can be.” (Jim Rohn)


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Anna Marie Bowman 8 years ago from Florida Author

Thanks, Ann & Allshookup!! Good to know that someone agrees with me! I knew I wasn't the only one.

Ananta, I have given a lot more thought to your comments, read the information on the link you provided (it worked this time), and I have a few more things to point out. First, several of those comments were made by Michael Moore, a liberally biased film-maker, not anyone with actual knowledge on foreign policy. Don't take everything he says as truth. He has a reputation for twisting information to suit his views. Another thing, you talked about the US interfering in the lives of other countries, and how we in part, deserved what happened to us. Like WWII??? Where the US provided weapons and financial support for England's defense against Germany? If we had not provided support to England, we never would have been bombed by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. If we had never been bombed by the Japanese, there is a chance that we would have stayed on the sidelines. Where would Europe be today? Where would The Netherlands be today? My guess is that most, if not all of Europe would have fallen into the hands of Nazi Germany.


Ananta65 8 years ago

Amen to that, Valux


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Valux 8 years ago from Florida, USA

forgetting whether or not obama would be a good president... going back to the terrorist attacks and how we handled it; yes it was a terrorist faction and that act is wrong, however when the US military attacks a foreign nation without just cause (Iraq for example, all "intelligence reports" were false and yet we still attacked) it might as well be the same thing. The only difference is our attack is sanctioned by our government and their attack is not. We have been far too arrogant in this country trying to force our way of life on the rest of the world. Just because something works for us does not mean that it will work for them. These are VERY different countries with VERY different people and customs. Think of how we would react if our positions were reversed, we were not a superpower and Iraq was. They decided their way of life is better and invade us to convert our country to their type of government. None of us would stand for it, and we would fight with our last breath to prevent it. And as our country has no shortage of its own internal extremist groups (as pointed out in this hub) I am sure some radical faction would attack back in what Iraq would surely describe as a shameful act of terrorism. My point in all of this is half-truths and assumptions about possible correlations between Obama and "questionable" people do not a bad candidate make, and to say that we need to "stand up" to these other nations, I agree that they should know those acts will not be tolerated, but perhaps we too should practice what we preach as a country. Thats my two cents


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Ann Smith 8 years ago from Southeastern U.S.

Yes, terrorists have reasons for their attacks - their PERVERSION of Islam. Try reading "Unveiling Islam" if you want to better understand how the terrorists think and what jihad really means. It is written by two men who were reared as Sunni Muslims: Engun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner.

I consider terrorism evil in its purist form. Terrorist acts are unjustified, cowardly, twisted and hate-filled.

Regarding the US and its power, created by its hard working people in a short time span, let's not forget the generosity of this country either. The US has repeatedly helped out countries who have been in trouble during several wars, and welcomed millions of immigrants to its shore.

And, let's also not forget the tremendous opportunity the US offers.

I have many foreign friends and two serious ex-boyfriends who were from other countries. While I enjoyed learning about their culture, heritage and perspective, I am also very proud of my own.

God Bless America.

That all being said, thanks for writing this hub. And, I definitely think Obama is not the right person to lead this great country.


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allshookup 8 years ago from The South, United States

Anna, Excellent hub!! I didn't know some of that information about Obama and that just adds to my case. Great writing and explaining. I'm glad to know all of those things about him. What I already knew scared me enough, this adds gasoline to the fire. It's so refreshing to see someone not afraid to stand up for the truth and the good of our country and stop all the whining. 'What about the other countries where we kill innocent pepople?' Well, what about it? They came here and killed INNOCENT Americans, we have every right to take a stand. She's right, if we don't show we are not afraid, we will be taken over or they will at least try to. I miss Ronald Reagan so bad. Had this happened while he was in office, it would have already been taken care of and over with. He knew how to stand for America, popular or not. I just cannot understand why Americans are so worried about people in other countries but not worried about our people here. Where is their reasoning? Do I agree with how this war was handled? No. But I do believe that we should have made a stand to say we wont take it anymore or it would have already happened again. It's time for us to grow a backbone again. Great hub!! Keep up the great work!!! :)


dafla 8 years ago

I agree with Ananta on this one. We have now killed not thousands, but MILLIONS of innocent Afghani and Iraqi civilians, men, women and children for what? Revenge for 3,000 lives? Doesn't seem quite equitable to me. Those innocent people didn't bomb these WTC. They have lost much more than we ever did.

We lost 3,000 people and 6 buildings. They've lost an entire way of life, and some cities are completely destroyed.

There should be an "equity" rule in war.


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sixtyorso 8 years ago from South Africa

Interesting hub


Ananta65 8 years ago

The terrorists who attacked your country were indeed cowardly and evil. Nobody is denying that, Anna Marie. The point however is that there is a motive behind those attacks. This does not justify them, it only explains them. And the reasons/motivation behind these attacks should not be ignored. Again, there is no justification for terrorist acts. That does not mean that you can’t look critically at the acts of the US that preceded these attacks.

Apparently the page was moved. http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/regimes.html should work.


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Anna Marie Bowman 8 years ago from Florida Author

I appretiate your opinion.  However, I do not feel that Rev. Wright had a point at all.  While I often disagree with the actions of the government of the United States, I do agree that we must protect ourselves in this increasingly dangerous world.  In order to do this, we must show ourselves to be a strong nation capable of defending itself.  I feel that the terrorists who attacked our great country were cowardly, evil and just plain wrong.  The thousands of innocent people that were killed, some of them not even Americans, were not responsible for the actions of the US government.  Terrorism in any form, whether it be foreign or domestic is wrong.  I love my country.  I love the fact that I can disagree with my government and be protected from persecution.  I don't want to lose that freedom.  How can we assert balance when many countries are not choosing to do the same?  Russia invades Georgia, North Korea and Iran are developing nuclear weapons.  If we are seen as weak, we will fall victim to further attacks.  I am not talking about global domination, just about asserting strength.

Another note, I clicked on the link you provided, and it told me that the information I was looking for was not available in that location.


Ananta65 8 years ago

With all due respect, but doesn’t Rev. Wright have a point? If you look at the role that the US have played in various conflicts all over the world, supporting either the government or the rebels (or even both?) with money, advice and weapons, don’t you agree that you had it coming? Not that I approve, mind you. But the US has a history of supporting regimes or trying to throw them over, in short: interfere in the lives of people living outside the US (read: http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/regimes.html)

As to your conclusion… Personally I think that your dominance has brought you were you are now and I think this situation is not what you – the American people – want. So personally I think you should assert balance, rather than dominance. That’s how I (not being a US citizen) feel :)

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