Your Position On Torture

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With the release of the Senate Torture Report, we are finding out the many ways the C.I.A. tortured detainees and possible terrorists.

There are concerns that violence may erupt because of this report.

Wrong or right, it is not at this point that my opinion will be given. Before that happens, we are going to take a look at some scenarios and what you may do.

It is through this exercise that many could possibly change their opinions on the torture subject.

Please don't assume my stand on torture until you have ventured completely through this hub. You may be very surprised when you come to the end.

Please answer every poll honestly. Don't worry, we are not tracking you. Just because you vote doesn't mean the frog has a drone flying over your home spying closer on you. The statistics are just for research reasons.

Thank you for your participation, now into the torture chamber:

The Scenario

You have a daughter who also has a child. Your grandchild is so precious and is only 1 year old.

You receive a note in your mailbox that a person has your daughter and grandchild as hostages. They want $100,000 from you in 24 hours. You have a good idea who may have done this. The last boyfriend of your daughter was an ex-con who had committed some serious crimes. You decide to hunt him down.

You find the creep in the local bar. You haul him out and take him to your garage. You give him a hamburger and ask him if he has seen your daughter. He looks away as he says no. You just feel he is lying. You pull your revolver and point it at him. You ask him again and he doesn't say anything.

Do You

  • Let him go?
  • Tie him up?
  • Kill him?
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If you killed him

Crazy dude; where do you go from here?

If you let him go

Wow, what now?

You tied him up

Here are some techniques you could use to get information on your daughter and grandchild's whereabouts:

  1. Abdominal Slap-Just for fear purposes. Using your backhand, you slap him in the abdomen until he answers your questions.
  2. Attention Grasp-You grab him by the shirt collar and pull him in close to scare him.
  3. The Facial Hold-You grab each side of his face squeezing so he can't move.
  4. The Facial Slap-You open hand slap him on the face.

Would you use any of these 4 techniques ?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Unsure
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He is showing signs

He starts crying some after you have scared him. He says he still wouldn't tell you if he did know.

Now your anger gets heavier. You just know he knows where they are. You could use:

  1. Cramped Confinement-Put him in the garage closet where it is dark, hot and there are spiders.
  2. Nudity-Make him stand nude while you heckle him.
  3. Walling-Slam him against the concrete wall a few times until he talks.

Would you use any of these 3 techniques at this point?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Unsure
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He is giving in

He thinks you will let off when he tells you,

"Yes, I know where your daughter and grandchild is. If you don't let me go, my partner will kill them."

Now that you now this @&&(*$! knows, you can either come up with the money or call the cops, but the odds of your daughter and grandchild are too great. Your years in the military has shown you some ideas that just may work. With one of these, he is bound to tell you where they are:

  1. Waterboarding-You tie him to a board and slant it slightly head down. You tie a towel over his face and slowly pour water on it. It will make him feel like he is drowning. He will talk.
  2. Water Dousing-You lay him down on a tarp and pull the tarp up creating a tub. You pour cold water on him until he talks.
  3. Ice Bath-Make him lie in a bathtub and pour ice on him. Yes, he will talk.

Do you use any of these after he said he knows where they are?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Unsure
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These are

Everything you read above are methods the C.I.A. used against suspected terrorists.

They were able to retrieve information from some.

Was it right?

What do you think?

C.I.A.

Was it right that the C.I.A. used these techniques.

  • Yes
  • No
  • Unsure
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Do you believe in God? Jesus?

I am wondering.

Are you a Christian?

Do you believe in a loving and merciful God?

Do you believe in torture for the good of the United States?

Well, I have some news for you:

You Cannot Follow Jesus and Support Torture of Any Kind

You just can't.

It doesn't flow together. There is a line. Supporting torture is crossing that line. While I am at it, I must say that supporting the death penalty is also crossing that line; and supporting abortion is also crossing that line.

Believe me, there are a few people that I would have loved to torture or give the death penalty or even be aborted, but who am I? Who are you? Who is Obama or George W. Bush? Who are any of us?

If we really consider the whole matter, we all deserve torture, death, and to be aborted. But God didn't....

How can we?

Think on that for awhile,

Yes, your opinions are welcome, but please be respectful.

Thank you.

While you are at it read this blog post by a Facebook Pastor friend of mine: Brian Zahnd.

© 2014 Greg Boudonck

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breakfastpop 24 months ago

I don't care what the terrorists experience at the hands of the CIA. Three thousand people went to work and never came home. Some of those very people were neighbors of mine. I believe that the release of this report is akin to treason. The purpose was purely political and the committee and everyone who supports this report should be ashamed of themselves. The report was compiled without interviewing a single person directly involved with the program. To me it's bogus.


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Rchrdsnc 24 months ago from Midwest USA

I think this was a good article despite its ugly content. It helps to know the details in order to come to terms with torture and whether or not it is actually compatible with salvation, etc.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

Thanks for your input. I hope that people all understand my point with this article.

Breakfastpop, yes, to a certain extent, I agree; it is political, but torture still isn't right.


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

People should be focusing on the acts of the terrorists, ad death, dismemberment on civilians trumps torturing them. And the CIA level of torture was mild compared to the severe kinds of torture where people lose body part, hooked up to batteries, and other more drastic forms of torture.

When people in this country worry more about the terrorists than their victims, then something is really wrong. Two recent beheading on civilians. They were captive before that, one of them for two years. We don't know what conditions they had to endure.

Torture is a sliding scale of acts, while death has only one scale, it is final.

How do you even attempt to compare the acts of the terrorists, to the treatment given to prisoners at Gitmo?

If the terrorists stop, then we will stop.

but, if we stop, the terrorists won't stop.

Whether you think that torture is right or not, the more important issue is whether what the terrorists do is worse, or not. If it is worse then start talking about it.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

That is an improper way to look upon this. If one group starts shooting our forces who are coming down in parachutes, is it right we turn around and do the same?

Torture is not right no matter who is doing it. Anyone caught should be prosecuted to the full extent, no matter what side they are on.

The main point of this hub is to point out that if you claim Christianity, you have no right to support torture on any level.


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breakfastpop 24 months ago

Tell the terrorists that torture isn't right.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

Absolutely! So I guess if someone murders one of our family members, we can go murder one of theirs?

Just saying!!


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breakfastpop 24 months ago

I can understand wanting to do just that, but hopefully the law will take care of that. When it comes to terrorists our soldiers and our CIA are taking care of that.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

Yes, but it must be done within the law, otherwise what makes us any better?


breakfastpop profile image

breakfastpop 24 months ago

Diane Feinstein says what occurred wasn't in the law. How does she know what happened without properly interviewing those directly involved. In any case, I can't get the picture of 5 men hanging from a bridge burned to a crisp, or young children beheaded for refusing to renounce Christianity. We do not do that, so in my view there is no comparison. I cannot stand anyone who goes out of their way to denigrate our nation in the eyes of the worl and place our citizens at risk. There is nothing moral about that.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

Don't get me wrong breakfastpop, I do agree with you. The democrats are trying to use this as a method of attack.

If we looked back, I bet we would find that some of them have committed similar offenses.

I am just saying we need to check ourselves, because the world is watching.


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breakfastpop 24 months ago

Justice Scalia said nothing in the Constitution rules out torture.


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

The author doesn't get my point.


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Froggy213 24 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

You don't get my point.


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bradmasterOCcal 24 months ago from Orange County California

Your point is that you are worried about mild forms of interrogation on terrorists, while not focusing on the victims of the terrorists.

Innocent civilians!


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Froggy213 23 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

No, my point is, what is wrong is wrong and what is right is right.

I'm not worried except for those who call themselves God fearing, but condone torture of any kind. Yes, the terrorists have done bad, but isn't there other ways than using torture?

All I can say is: you cannot be a Christian and condone torture. It is either one or the other.


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bradmasterOCcal 23 months ago from Orange County California

Froggy213

What the terrorists have done merits more of your disdain than the mild interrogation techniques used against them.

Where is your hub about the human rights of all the victims of the terrorists. These victims are mostly civilians, while those in ?Gitmo were terrorists.

The terrorists deserve the spotlight on them and you turn it off of them while focusing on a red herring.

Where is your hub on the two people recently beheaded just for being in the worng place at the wrong time. What about the recent attack in Australia?

You can't put waterboarding in the same context or even the same sentence with beheading,bombing, and other deadly acts.


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Froggy213 23 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

You are right, but it still doesn't make it right.

As for waterboarding, it was determined that is probably what killed my grandson.

No, I do not condone anything that these terrorists do, but their evil doings do not give us the right to do "lesser evils."

The eyes of the world are upon us.

Simple question bradmaster, do you call yourself a Christian? That is my point in this hub. Any of us who claim Christianity just cannot condone any form of torture.


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bradmasterOCcal 23 months ago from Orange County California

Froggy213

It is difficult if you have a personal interest as you do. Because you are no sure if WB killed him, then it wouldn't have been intentional. What would be fair and right is if everyone was agreed on the rules of conduct. Unfortunately, the terrorists play outside of any known rules.

5 terrorists killed 132 children intentionally in Pakistan.


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Froggy213 23 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

You throw around the word terrorists bradmaster. I do agree that they are not playing by the rules, but I would like to point out the mid to late 17oo's. I would bet that the British called the ones in the new land (America) terrorists also. We didn't play by their rules either.

The key is: we made the rules, we should follow them. We cannot expect others to follow rules when we don't. A good example is a law here in Puerto Rico saying motorcycle riders are to not go between cars, but motorcycle cops do it, so the law really cannot be enforced.

How can we tell "terrorists" don't torture, when we do?

You never answered my last question.


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bradmasterOCcal 23 months ago from Orange County California

Froggy213

No, I don't call myself a Christian, and neither does 2/3 of the world.

But even Catholics, the original Christians are taught the difference between Venial and Mortal sins. Waterboarding would be a Venial Sin, while beheading would be a Mortal Sin. And they believe that only Mortal Sins take you to Hell.

In the parlance of criminal law, there are infraction, misdemeanor, and felonies. Waterboarding would be an infraction, and at most a misdemeanor. Beheading would be a felony.

The whole Crusades, as well as the Spanish Inquisition was based on Christianity.

The real change needs to be made on the part of the terrorists. Two beheadings recently and no one is still protesting those acts. If the terrorists would stop their attacks, killings, and other outrageous acts, there would be no need for waterboarding.

You are letting the tail wag the dog.


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Froggy213 23 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

How has the torture helped stop any terrorist acts? In all reality, the more we torture, the more beheadings in all probability.

As for the levels of sin, the Catholics are not the authority, Jesus is. A sin is a sin and all take us to Hell. There is only one way out and I mentioned Him....Jesus.

We tortured Him too. He was innocent as is some of those who have been tortured now. Again, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Yes, we need to battle terrorist elements, but not by using illegal tactics.


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bradmasterOCcal 23 months ago from Orange County California

Froggy213

Religion is the root cause of the terrorism today.

Jesus appears to have rested two thousand years ago, not to be heard from again. The Muslims fight among themselves because Mohammed the prophet couldn't forsee the need to name his replacement.

Remember those lions were undefeated.


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Froggy213 23 months ago from On A Mountain In Puerto Rico Author

Jesus is heard from daily, but only to those who have the faith and desire to hear Him.

I wish you well Bradmaster. I do believe you will awaken one of these days.

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