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The Frog Prince says
Supplying the ID free of charge is one thing - the supporting documents are not necessarily free. I don't necessarily disagree with the ID requirements but they can be costly even if the ID is free.
Ok, but that wasn't my question. I didn't ask it so you could talk about your article. We are talking about state id, not social security cards.
My wallet was stolen 3 yrs ago. As soon as I realized it, which was within an hour, I was able to cancel my debit card, and therefore, able to provide relief there. However, I replaced my DL & SS card within a day. Wasn't easy, but wasn't impossi
Why so hostile? There are 2 ways to get a PhotoID without a PhotoID: Get arrested or go to the ER. That'll serve as your ID for 21 days to get a photo ID. I answered your question - is it hard? ' YES!!!!
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Reality Bytes says
Sorry but you are absolutely wrong. Many states require photo id to be shown when requested by police, including the one I live in. If you refuse to show id you can be taken to jail for faliure to provide id.
Statutes in Texas: http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/443/47/...
..to detain .. require him to identify himself violated the Fourth .. the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe appellant was .. engaged in criminal conduct.
Show me the law. No ID, no criminal charges, no fines, nothing!
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Charles Dawson says
Wrong! SS does NOT accept a certified BC post 911 (unless you are a foreigner. You need a photo ID to get a photo ID. http://voices.yahoo.com/how-replace-photo-id-witho...
What is SS? Social Security? We're talking about getting a simple id from a DPS/DMV office. I got one after 911 and had to provide a BC and Social Security card or passport. Everyone should have either a photo id or passport from somewhere.
ptosis, maybe you should read my comment again. I never said anything about getting a SS card. Also, in the state of FL, to get a photo ID w/o having a photo ID, one needs a valid BC, 2nd form of residence verification & $10. I'm not wrong.
Yes, That's great for a person who has a house, bills, a mailing address. I guess you'll never figured out that homeless people are stuck there not just for drugs or drink but from the system. (damn - I couldn't believe myself at first)
Chuck, it's the same in Texas, and many other states. I don't know how someone wouldn't have some type of BC or passport, unless homeless maybe. They probably would have a hard time, but I'm sure there is a way. It may be a pain, but not impossible.
In January 2004, I was homeless for only two days, a very long and extremely cold two days. Fortunately, I still had all of my IDs and required documents. Therefore, I understand that for some maintaining these things are difficult.
I have had to get copies of various docs over the years in order to do things; getting BC was a pain but necessary for DL. Each state seems to do it differently. But a citizen of this country should always be able to prove who they are somehow.
I'm just(still) angry that SS will accept a BC from a person outside the USA, but will not accept a certified BC if born in the United States. if already have a SSN - that seems unfair to citizens who should have more rights than a non-citizen.
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Is that too much trouble to go to in order to be allowed to vote?
This may not seem like "too much trouble" but after voting for more than 30 years I'd be pretty unhappy to find out 3 months before voting day that this had to be done. I don't drive and these things DO take time. Also, free isn't "free" is it?
Well lots of things aren't free, but voting is not a right it's a privilege so if it matters then someone can make the small effort to get an id. Most states have free ones for those in need anyway. If yours doesn't maybe you could change that.
You are misinformed: Voting is a right not a privilege. It has been a right since the Voting Rights Act in 1965 http://library.clerk.house.gov/reference-files/PPL...
You also missed my point about voting for >30 years....
Excuse me but I'm from the South where the Voting Rights Act actually applies. It is not a right, it is a privilege protected from discrimination because of past wrongs in our states. The right is to be able to get to the polls, not to actually vote.
I think you don't understand that while this amendment granted certain voting rights, voting was ALWAYS a right (with certain requirements) http://www.lwvabc.org/pubs/history_of_vote.html
Despite your VRA link, it's definitely a privilege. Rights can't be revoked, but privileges can. Convicted felons lose their privileges to vote. I've a relative that way. She needs reinstatement from the state to vote. I don't like it, but it's fact.
False - Civil rights (which voting is) may be revoked at any time. Just look at some of the "rights" which were suspended or changed after 9/11.
Thank you. I've been thoroughly educated.
Maybe I was thinking "unalienable rights", which are rights that cannot be taken away. Or will you find a way to dispute that as well?
I wasn't trying to be argumentative, and I never said that voting was an unalienable right. By their nature, unalienable rights are not subject to laws by their very nature.
Here is another link, this one demonstrates both sides of the argument. If you're interested.
Fascinating! If someone is going to cast a fraudulent vote, chances are they are *not* going to show up at the polls, but they will cast an absentee ballot. I don't know how good an ID is when they can be so easily recreated. How much fraud is there
Rights can be taken away from an individual upon Due Process!
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