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Mike Russo says
Congress has no power to overturn a Supreme Court ruling. They're instead talking a bill to repeal PPACA, a measure that would be independent of any ruling, and to which the Court's power of judicial review would not apply.
But aren't they still throwing sand in the wind, because it would not get through the democratic controlled senate?
Yes, but that's normal for an election year. Obama is doing it with his new old tax extension proposal. All the pols posture for the voters. If your point is the retardicans are doing it, too, not that they can't throw out an SC ruling, then, sure.
Peoplepower - there is no super majority required on a tax issue, it is a simple majority vote.
Attikos: How can a measure that repeals SC legislation be independent of that ruling and not apply to the courts review.? We're taliking circular logic here, unless I'm missing somethng.
The SC rules on the Constitutionality of laws. It did not legislate PPACA, it approved some, threw out some. An act of congress that repeals the rest would not be a new law, it would be the withdrawal of a law, not subject to court review.
Attikos: "Withdrawal of a law" sounds like weasle wording to me. Are you talking about withdrawing the entire ACA law or just some parts of it? In either case it's a change in an existing law and will never make it past the senate.
Let me put it this way, then, PP: congress has the Constitutional authority to repeal any law it has previously adopted. And if you'll bother to read the other posts, you'll see it's already said the senate won't allow a vote this year.
Then isn't this effort an incredible waste of time. Other than showing the republican base that this can be done, what purpose does it serve. Doesn't congress have bigger fish to fry? Or is it just more political theater?
Yes, just like Obama's tax cut extension ploy. Every pol in Washington is being a pol right now. What I'm trying to do is shed some light on the mistaken belief congress can't legally repeal its own law, which is what you started out saying.
Attikos: Duh...I get it now. Sorry, sometime I'm slow on the uptake, but once I learn, it's like a steel trap...where everythng stays inside and nothing gets out.
Congress makes laws and Congress can vote to repeal laws in addition to amending laws.The legislation (law) isn't final until the President signs the legislation. Obama has pledged not to sign an appeal of obamacare.
The only way he'll ever get the chance is if the retardicans keep the house (likely), take the senate (may be), and he wins reelection (a coin flip). Given this year's politics, it's not difficult to imagine that chaotic scenario.
Attikos - "retardican". I've got the retard part, which I caught during a conversation with a socialist but...My concern is you're name calling Mexicans or Africans. Thanks, Concerned Capitalist. :) :) :) pp - where's your contempt?
I balance it with the term "demwit."
Attikos - thank God for that! Wait....can I get banned from a hub forum for saying God? I did get banned for using the terms "obtuse dolt". And who are the banning police? Is there a hotline? I ask because I would never consider banning free speech.
Frankly, I think that were your partner in repartee a dolt, and were he obtuse, you should be free to point it out.
Obamacare is not going to be repealed. It takes a simple majority in both chambers, but the Senate Democrats are going to still control the Senate an will not vote to repeal. The House approved repeal with 244 votes. Senate will not concur.
Not this year, at any rate.
I agree attikos. Apparently one can be an obtuse dolt, but pointing it out is socially unacceptable. :( To you and Larry, nothing will happen with Obama in office. Congress is expressing voters sentiment. It's About time HC was debated.
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Obamacare is so unpopular that getting demwit congressmen on record in favor of it will make their reelections this November more difficult. That's what this is all about. It'll be interesting to see if they walk out again to avoid it.
Two Minute Review says
The voters need to call their Senators and demand to know how they would vote, aye or nay. Hold their a............ to the fire! They need some inspiration to do their job as pledged before the Nov. election.
Roger that Jon!!!! Part of the problem is Americans do not fire these guys for incompetence, because people generally think it is the OTHER congressmen that are the problem. But lets be honest - the problem is most members in Congress.
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TPC - what is the mental problem you liberal socialist commies have with answering the question posed. Instead you opine about some irrelevancy. You continually demagogue Koch, but give Soros a pass proves your hypocrisy.
Ah, TPC, what would we do without you? Typical CIP post by a liberal
C Change the subject
I Ignore the facts
P Personal attacks.
I'd say you put all three in a very short post. Congrats to you.
You guys keep calling liberals commies. Did you know that Karl Marx was one of the first ones to espouse supply side economics? Which the Cons call trickle down Reaganomics. I'm not trying to hi-jack this forum, I'm just putting it out there.
Suggest you watch the debate on c-span on Wed. and Thurs.
The real thing, in the flesh and uncut or doctored by the media.
people-I'm just trying to get people to admit their ideology as opposed to always attacking conservatives and capitalists individually without cause. Liberals should argue the strength of their principles instead of Koch's free speech rights.
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Larry Wall says
Obamcare, the law, forbids insurance companies from not selling you insurance for a pre existing condition.I can't imagine what the premi's will be, start looking for a company.Good luck
Part of the problem is gov laws not allowing portability of ins. Should we spend $4 trillion to fix a 350 billion $ problem? Your issues are but a small % of the HC issue. Do you overhaul your car engine when the battery is dead?
My situation was a little different. Our group policy allowed you to convert to a private policy once you were no longer on COBRA. Unfortunately the company that wrote our group policy did not write individual policies in my home state. I am looking.
Larry- that's too bad, but there in lies the solution. Your STATE doesn't allow competition. A one page federal bill would permit insurance across state lines. You should be able to go to Idaho to get a policy fitting your needs.
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Lions Den Media says
Geez, again the name calling. If you compare what Koch brothers are worth and what they have given to Super PACs to what Soros is worth, the Koch brothers could buy and sell Soros in a minute.
Hardly, and according to a WSJ report published this morning the labor unions are outspending the demon Kochs anyway. It's not the retardicans who have the most campaign money this year, it's the demwits. So far, anyway.
The taxes in the bill will filter down to the poor and middle classes,no doubt about it. If you sell an investment Eg.a house, you will pay a 3.8% tax on the gross price to the government.
15,000 new IRS agents will be hired to enforce the law.
What do you mean the name calling? If being called a liberal, socialist or commie is so bad then why are those of who are so intent on supporting the ideology? I'm proud of being a conservative and don't blame others for calling you what you are!
Lions Den Media: You can't be serious. If you are then I feel very sorry for you. That means you have been brainwashed by the right wing propaganda machine and you don't know or care what the real meaning and definitions of those names are.
pp - I've been like this since birth, thanks for your concern. You neglected the question. Why do liberals, or socialists or communists avoid the association? I'm a CAPITALIST, no apologies!! You don't like the word commie? What is exactly the issue?
Lions Den Media: I even feel more sorry for you, if you have been this way since birth! Being a Capitalist and a Communist are two different things. Capitalism is an economic ideology. Communisim associates one with the Soviet Union.
peops - Communism is a political ideology that applies to more than the Soviets. But I believe that was the point - capitalists and communists are 2 different ideologies, whereas libs, socialists and commies are similar in nature.
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