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+1 Nailed it.
So is everyone paid equally in a socialist country? Do government officials make more money?
Yes, they are all paid with the same respect all human beings deserve because of who and what they are rather than how much money they can generate. We don't have to use money as our currency.
So, then there isn't money? do you use a currency?
I would like to point out that it isn't necessary that people be paid exactly the same, I think certain pay variations are reasonable for jobs people don't want for example a 15% higher wage seems reasonable, things like sewer workers etc.
Money is useful as a medium for the exchange of goods. It doesn't have to be the metric for measuring the value of all things or of people (which Capitalism, as it has been formulated, tends to do).
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Paul Swendson says
Good answer, I didn't mean the whole system, I just meant is it a socialist type of program.
how when the people PAID FOR IT. it the Feds that's robbing from it. it not wealth distribution for ALL GET IT REGARDLESS OF INCOME.you put in you get out save for what the Feds steal out of it
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Thought I'd find you here. Nice picture, what about the ones who can't work or can't find a job?
Figured I should make it clear here, facts being facts and all that. Simple fact is in a truly socialist system there would be no unemployment no social security payments so obviously the program is not socialist. Logic.
How does everyone have a job? what if they don't have the right skills? do they get to choose their own jobs? What if they are paralyzed? Do you choose from a hat?
#1) Public investment allows creation of near unlimited jobs #2 Everyone can do something unless they are disabled #3Yes, but if they are unemployed then they will be assigned a job which suits their skills #4 disability is different not enough space
What if they get assigned a job they hate.
Then they can look for a better one which opens up or look to trade jobs with someone else or they can simply quite, but if they quite the governemnt does not provide for them.
How does the public know what to invest in? Where does the public investment come from before jobs are created? How much money do I get to keep after taxes?
The money come from the wealth of the country. The public employs experts to decide what to invest in, you get to keep a lot more money. This conversation is to complex for the word limit.
How do they get to keep a lot of their money if they have to support the system?
Simply put because most of what a person makes working for others does not go to him, it goes to taxes and in much larger proportion it goes to the person he works for, socialism cuts out the middle man so you only pay taxes, thus more money for you.
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Richard Davis says
Communism, according to Marx, was the climax of socialism. In it, there would be NO state, and the vast majority of a person's productive labor was entirely theirs to do with as they please. A powerful gov't is a fatal flaw (e.g. Russia).
If there is no state who controls the money and how are jobs allocated? How are the benefits distributed?
Property (money) and productivity (jobs) are not un-managed, they are just managed through some form of worker cooperative rather than a central state. No doubt these are difficult issues, which is partly why Marxism has remained a theory.
If property is money, am I bartering for goods? Who decides what type of business or job you create?
See for these questions you can read Das Kapital there are a bunch of redacted version if you lack patience. If a workers cooperative they would democratically decide what sort of business to run and simply exchange what they produce.
In theory, communism was a system of superabundance of basic goods, so beyond that, productive labor could be used for simple pleasure or for advancing social good. Money might still exist, but only as a medium of commodity exchange.
I don't know this system sounds complicated, sounds too good to be true. To me freedom works, and sound money. You might not get equal pay, but you get opportunity, and money of value such as gold and silver. Today we don't have any of those.
With a 7 billion person planet, I think everything is complicated. The rising tide that lifts all boats of Capitalism sounds a bit too good to be true as well. I certainly don't have any grand magic solution.
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Well no they spent the money already.