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Agree that since we can't legislate morality or behavior, I see that a firm example must be set; home, church, school, friends, parents, coaches, When there is a goal to destroy, those bent on destruction will destroy; w/ guns or manure bombs, etc.
teamrn, religion and other separative identifications like family with its emphasis on following and conformity are the seeds of violence. Division is violence and its illusory.
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Nathan Bernardo says
Our society causes insanity? Maybe by creading an environment where individuals can become insane?Sounds to me like you feel you cause insanity in another person. People aren't THAT powerful. What about imbalance in brain chemistry?
The person is conditioned by the social structure and the person creates the social structure; it's not separate. Self interest, competition, divisiveness, conflict, violence, illusory ideas about ourselves, doctrine, identifications are society.
Nate, do you doubt the sheer existence of mental illness, chemical imbalance? It sounds like you feel the ONLY cause for extreme behavior is societal input or lack thereof. Yes, conditioning and other influences matter greatly, but completely?
Absolutely, there is such a thing as simply, for instance, something wrong with the brain; brain damage, birth defects, etc. Certainly there is such a thing as a problem in the brain, a biological, chemical, or physical problem.
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Jack Burton says
The Marines in VietNam gave the equivalent of the AR the nickname "poodle killer" because of it's low power, yet Junk declares it a "particularly lethal weapon." I don't know much about knitting but I have no compulsion to let the world know that.
12 killed: 58 wounded in Aurora. 69 killed: 110 wounded in Norway. Clearly these are ineffective weapons. But they were only poodles right? Underpowered in combat does not mean underpowered against civilians.
A .22 caliber squirrel rifle can kill someone just as dead. A standard deer hunting rifle that Uncle Bob keeps in \his closet is much more powerful than the standard .223 chambering of the AR. They fire 1 bullet at a time just like all other rifles.
Wow, I didn't know any of that.
Big difference in ammo capacities and ROFs between hunting and tactical rifles. Hence the reason they both exist. Have you ever actually seen and/or fired an AR-15 or Mini-14? They are very nice weapons.
I've got 26 years in the military with an expert rifle rating. Yes, AR and AK style rifles have larger capacity mags and sometimes citizens need just that. We cannot limit our freedom based upon the actions of a social deviant. Where do we stop?
Freedom is always balanced against the competing interest of public safety. Not inciting violence vs. freedom of Speech, for instance. To me, gun registration is reasonable. As are stricter requirements for AR-15 type of weaponry.
Junk has trouble distinguishing between action (inciting something) and the state of "being." An AR rifle sitting at rest hurts no one. In the hands of a law abiding citizen it is capable of great good. But he chooses to base freedom on lawbreakers.
Whatever dude. That's one insult too many to waste my time on. I'll put my vote up free and equal to yours. I have no problem with that. And I will vote to support increased gun regulations.
I prefer to consider it speaking plainly about what you really mean. If you consider that an insult to you, so be it.
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I would agree under normal circumstances however people are dying every day in this country because we're made it simple for anyone to abtain any kind of gun they wish. It's an emergency situation that need to be delt with immediatly.
Craig has never tried to actually buy a firearm, Let's make it illegal to murder innocent people. That will stop the "emergency situation." Craig can't explain why 40 million law abiding gun owners have to pay a price for the lawless bad guys
Craig, we do need a national dialog, but we've been having national dialogs for the better part of 100 years. Common sense: no one needs an AK-47 to defend his front lawn. If a killer wants a gun-HE'LL GET IT. We have a 2nd amendment giving righta.
I always thought it was the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of What Teamrn Thinks People Need. I have a hub abut Evil Black Rifles. I think it would do Tea a world of good to read it.
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Craig Suits says
Craig real problem is understanding the difference between the 99.5% of the good guys with guns and the .05% of the bad guys. But I like his post. It clarifies that those with problems with the 2nd Amend. almost always also have problems with the 1st
legal or illegal guns in this country ouzis or semi automatic. This is not the time to talk politic. I live in Colorado and we grieve for the losses ov the last year. We'll work things our, but there's a time and a place. And I support the NRA!
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Jim Higgins says
IF the guy is adjudicated mentally ill it was illegal for him to own or buy guns. Sellers are not mindreaders, prophets or analysts. 1/2 of 1% of guns are used illegally. Do you think taking the guns away from the law abiding 99.5% will fix things?
Thanks to NRA folks, we have hardly any restrictions on who can buy guns. But this is an endless debate that will probably never be resolved. Little point in discussing it on HP, it is in letters to the editor daily somewhrere.
Thanks to ACLU folks, we have hardly any restrictions on who can freely speak. But this is an endless debate that will probably never be resolved. Little point in discussing it on HP, it is in letters to the editor daily somewhere.
You only mentioned guns used illegally. It's the unregistered illegal guns that is the issue and the problem...
Craig doesn't know that very few states "register" guns. But he comments about "unregistered guns" as if they are a reality anyway.
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