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Rod Martin Jr says
I agree with everything you said. I would add that we as a society ought aught to be looking at mental health issues instead of limiting our freedoms and rights.
I don't believe the majority of Americans are running businesses in bad neighborhoods.
In the federalist papers, the founders referred to the 2nd amendment as a check of government power therefore I feel that it was meant for all citizens. It would be a useless for it to apply only to a government controlled militia.
An AYM says
Anytime there is a tragedy such as this, those who wish to collect the guns of law abiding citizens stand up and shout. Do you know more innocent people die at the hands of drunk drivers than by guns? Do you want to revisit prohibition?
This incident changes nothing of my perspective. I've always found guns childish and dumb.
I'd rather less people drove because not everyone needs a car. I'd like to visit people not feeling they should be entitled to everything/anything they want.
Here, as in the Oregon incident, the guns were stolen. If they'll steal them, then they'll get them illegally off the black market. No law would have prevented it.
No law works to 100% effectiveness. I do belive things like this would be much less likely to happen. How many people intrinsically know how to buy things off the black market? Do we assume people are going to Google it or just walk around asking?
It wouldn't surprise me about Google. You can learn how to make a home made bomb there. If someone is so inclined they will find a way to obtain what they want. Everyone likes to think we are immune to any gov't takeover as well. I don't know why.
If you could Google how to buy off the black market it would be remarkably easy for law enforcement to find it.
Because why would the government possibly need or bother to? Complacency is practically patriotic and we worship the military religiously
The black market is everywhere, look on the Internet, your local newspaper, public guns shows, anyone who conducts a private gun sale is technically part of the black market. What weapon are we going to regulate next, knives, baseball bats, Buick's?
No, they aren't part of the black market. The "Black Market" is the sale of specifically illegal goods. You are only there if you sell illegal guns.
I can't imagine someone killing 20 with a bat when you could stop it by simply tackling them.
AYM, 22 poeple killed the same day as this brutal attack, but with a knife. Evil will find a way. And, it isn't about "need", but about our Constitutional Right. We are protected by a Constitution, not arbitrary "whims".
Are you referring to the incident in China, in which no one - not even the 85 year old woman who was stabbed - died?
We're protected by a paper which has been amended over time. If guns were legally written out would you accept and not mind?
The Constitution has been amended. The Bill of Rights is just that. Protected rights that are mentioned first and specifically for a reason. There are any number of places that deny their citizens the right to arm themselves. You're free to try them.
I would love to were I somehow immediately wealthy enough to allow easy travel.
I just find it funny people act like the constitution is holy when we had to refine it to say "Hey guys, no slavery". I don't believe morality should be decided by law.
You keep confusing one with the other. The Bill of Rights has never been amended because it contains the guarantee of certain rights to every citizen. The rest of the Constitution has been amended. Every civilization has had slavery btw.
It doesn't guarantee rights to everyone, that's why we had to add amendments saying black people and women could vote.
Why do we pretend it's infallible just so long as it fits with our personal opinions?
I said certain rights. The right to vote is not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. In fact, other than the amendments for women and blacks, it is not mentioned in the Constitution at all.
People still treat it as gospel if the issue is something they want. Why is it the one factor for everything in this country? It's hundreds of years old and times change but many have this reverence as though it should never be touched
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Linda Crist says
Nicole, I am sorry for calling you Jeff. I was crying when I wrote teh comment and thought someone else asked the question. Now that I've made a fool of myself, I will go back to my tears.
It's alright, I've done that myself :) Not to worry.
At least there are people out there who can extend their love toward their fellow human being. It can't replace the tragic loss of life, but may help fill the hole of the gunman's lack of humanity
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Don Fairchild says
Switzerland is a great example, Kasman. That's the main reason Hitler stayed his hand from occupation and the country remained free.
It's a lot harder to kill someone without a gun than it is with one. Is there any legitimate reason his mother apparently needed to load up on guns like Hans Gruber was coming to town?
"loaded up" ? It is my understanding it was 2 handguns (glock and sig) and a .22 caliber rifle. They say the rifle was found in the car. Yes, I know they are 9mm handguns. I get that. But it isn't an arsenal.
Why did she need more than 1 gun let alone any? Why would a grade school teacher/mother need two handguns and a rifle? It's not a weapons bunker, but it still strikes meas an unnecessarily large amount of weaponry that clearly didn't end well.
They are still investigating. There are all sorts of reasons that people feel the need to own a handgun. Sometimes something personal that occurs. Sometimes something they see on the news that isn't personal but they feel threatened.
There is no legitimate reason anyone would truly need more guns than they have hands.
Because buying a lethal weapon out of fear/paranoia is reasonable and everyone should have the right to if they want to?
It is possible she bought a handgun, didn't like it, so got a different type. It is possible something happened to someone she knew. Not everyone has the same experiences in life. Neither you nor I have any idea, not her reasons, or for anyone.
It's not the reason that matters. It's the belief that we have the right to end life. It's that with all our emotional outbursts, human mistakes, misinformation and bad decisions we think we have a right to own a [specifically] life-taking device.
You have a right to defend yourself, your property and others' lives. What do you think you solve if only the criminals are armed? Gun laws only work for those who follow the law. Cases of lives saved are largely ignored by the media They still exist
Yes they exist, I don't doubt that. There are plenty of ways to defend yourself without a gun though.
And I am of the opinion that no property is worth dying or killing over. It's just stuff.
There are degrees of gun control, both in the types of guns controlled and in the control rules. Your comment is an over-generalization. As St. Thomas Aquinas said: "Never deny. Seldom affirm. Always distinguish."
Here's my thought and challenge. I will give up the gun I depend on to defend myself and my family, if you can promise me that everyone else outside my door doesn't have one. The black market is alive and well for the criminals. Always will be.
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