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I would be more concern with what China, North Korea and even Russia are doing regarding internet data, rather than the U.S. and U.K.
I do not understand your prior restraint argument. You can only collect data about what has been done. If that helps to avoid another 9/11 or similar attack, I am not going to get too worried. I wonder which group monitors Hub Pages.
The routine collection of surveillance information on citizens with no probable cause to suspect them of criminal activity is a preparatory step for law enforcement. There is no other reason to do it. That is why I called it a "subtle variant."
You may the acquaintance of a person who is under suspicion and therefore, collecting data on you may be appropriate. Our lives are so intertwined with other people, etc, you sometimes need data to separate the good guys from the bad guys.
That is no justification for wholesale surveillance of American citizens. It is an insidious form of subtle prior restraint precisely because it is being done prior to the existence of any particular cause to suspect criminal activity.
How do you know that no particular criminal activities are being investigated and whether or not they are confined to one small group or involved thousands around the country. I had not thought of that.
The reason there is such a furor over these surveillance operations is that they are blanket sweeps. There are no specific criminal causes driving them, the government is collecting data on us all. That is the whole point of the controversy.
Same question: How do you know this? Do you have contacts in the Justice Dept., Dept. of Homeland Security, Treasury,, IRS, etc. I do not know if there is a wide scale criminal act in progress, but maybe there is.
I read the news. The NSA has admitted it by declassifying some files in an attempt to justify the programs, the white house by threatening the whistle blowers, and waves of revelations are now leaking out. There is no denying the programs exist.
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Larry Wall says
I see what your saying, but the government should not be storing the data "just in case" they need it.What about tracking phone calls? Those are not public
Is the nation is storing data or reviewing data? Some data is stored. The census data is stored every 10 years. You have to keep your tax records for several years. Your birth certificate and marriage license are on file as is your work history, etc
Yes, but the census is in the constitution, where does it say personal conversations are to be stored until they need reviewed? It would be like forcing anyone you sent a letter during the colonial times to submit a copy to the US government.
I do not know how much data is being stored, how it is being indexed and what value it would be in the future. If the data is used against you, you can argue in court it was improperly obtained. That issue has existed for decades, if not centuries.
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