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Christin Sander says
the reason "people like me" baffle you is that we do not resort to bigotry but live by exchange of the truth. We do not interfere, but assist others who reach out to us. We avert the immoral acceptance by speaking the truth. It is morally good.
you can spin it any way you want, but it is bigotry when you presume to tell others they have a mental affliction and they do not. "Moral" people don't go around judging others, they get the splinters out of their own eyes first.
I do not spin. I do not tell others they have a problem. They come to me with their problem. I presume nothing. I recognize the truth. I accept the truth. I convey the truth. I fix the problem. It is a mental affliction and can be repaired.
Where did you get your medical degree? I'd like to see your scientific journal studies that prove it is a mental affliction seeing as how the APA says it isn't.
bigotry is the hating of a person for being different from yourself. And how can you say you are "exchanging truth" when you haven't got anything to back you up. Who's truth? Maybe your reality, but there are 7 billion realities in this world
the APA considers LGBT as a grand challenge for them in society. the members believe getting moral people to accept immoral activity to be their major chore. this does not present a truthful or credible venue. the baffle continues with experience
Taburkett - do you any idea who often you use the word moral? Mayhap you should google 'OBSESSION' and 'LATENT HOMOSEXUAL'. i see you COMING OUT of the closet in no time at all...
so your morally superior opinion trumps the medical opinion of the APA huh? Interesting how one can be so self-important and call themselves a speaker of "truth".
If gay is normal what is the point of having a male and a female? What is the point of procreation? That's where your argument falls apart. Can men have kids by conception from each other? Can women? That's what makes it abnormal. Thats not bigotry
but it is not every person's moral obligation to produce children. Not being able to produce them due to ailment, genetics, gender partnership or whatever else does not make someone immoral
I don't think we have a population problem and homosexuality does occur naturally in other species. Just because something is "different' or unusual doesn't make it "abnormal". I guess postmenopausal women can't marry then according to your logic?
when people continue to deny the truth, they destroy society. through denial many individuals continue to render immoral as moral claiming discrimination. however, it is actually discrimination against the moral society. truth wins.
Yes TA truth is winning - just not your narrow minded version of it. The "truth" is oppression always ends. We ended slavery, women got the vote and now the LGBT people are being treated more fairly. Evolution - it's a good thing!
A male and a female may not have children but they are in alignment with nature's intent if they are straight. Homosexuality is not in alignment with nature's intent because they cannot procreate by nature which means its not natural.
If we want to go by what's "natural" how about all the crops that are genetically altered? What about the medicines we create? What about the houses we build, the computer's we're on right now - what about any of those luxuries is natural?
Those are tools that help make life more comfortable. Nothing wrong with improving living standards. That is completely different.
Maybe being with the person one loves regardless of their physical being is also something of comfort
like a seducer the immoral claim comfort for their support. but many times they fail to identify the discomfort that also arises. this truth is never bannered because it would not support the immoral expansion. it is hidden from those who must choose
TP no "intervention" has ever gotten the gay out of anyone, clinical fact.
They have managed to cause a few to lead empty loveless lives of self loathing that is their only claim to success.
Very sad when you think about it.
How can someone be so offensive in a question of morality, yet so defensive in their own bigotry? When someone thinks they are right, and everyone else is wrong, it's not immorality, it's insanity. Taburk- Take your own personal inventory. Baffled?
Borsia-clinical-a manmade argument based on biased reasoning. the spirit on the other hand is self-motivation that can overcome any immoral deviation when used wisely by the individual. most clinics refuse to accept the spirit so they always fail
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Thanks for your insight. I also believe that life is a personal journey. There are many influences such as "convincing" youngsters that it is acceptable to be immoral. As each generation expands such activity the world becomes more violent place.
knock, knock.,Hello?? ."convincing youngsters that it is acceptable to be immoral?" Don't you mean, "teaching youngsters it is immoral to be a bigot?" You dare NOT equate sexual identity to violence? IGNORANCE creates violence. again, HELLO?
personal pandering by immoral individuals always leads to distribution of untruth. this is their attempt to convey immoral activity as moral. abnormal can never be normal, therefore, by speaking the truth the individual cannot be a bigot. truth wins.
I didn't know that loving another being was immoral. Any expression of love should be celebrated in this dark world we live in.
If 'life is a personal journey' Taburkett - YOU got a LOOOOOOOONG way to go...
truth has always been the best "personal journey". through it the individual lives beautifully without turbulence. those who create the turbulence support the untruth and so venture to claim immoral as moral. denial is a mental affliction of many
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I was trained by the very government that is now reversing all the moral attitudes by supporting immoral bigotry through judges who now devote all their time to an immoral one-sided set of justice rules. therefore, the morals are being destroyed.
If you want a civil discussion, send the leftists to training school before letting them have posting licenses. K-9 Kollege might give you a volume discount.
Still kind of avoiding directly answering my question. But hey. Thanks for answering all the same
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M. T. Dremer says
"outside of their control" is an exaggeration when focusing on the truth. gay is a choice - much like being a criminal. the difference is that it primarily hurts those who made the choice. when one chooses a path of immoral they create inequality
Tabukett - please provide the proof that being gay is a choice. And even if it is a choice, why should it be any one's choice but theirs to make?
Funny - I don't remember "deciding' whether to like boys or girls - I just suddenly developed a crush on a boy at about 12 years old. Who on earth would "choose" to be gay with all the hatred and violence they face? your logic fails here for sure.
all the cool kids are doing it ;)
humans at the top of the food chain continue to deny truth because they wish to destroy the society. mental affliction is the culprit that many in society refuse to accept as the breeder. truth requires correct focus and distribution not denial
So...being gay is a social experiment? people wanting to be with their own gender want to see if they can bring down society? then what?
while everything chosen by man is considered a personal path-the individual must choose wisely & make sensible decisions &judgments on the basis of personal knowledge and experience. the pillar and foundation is acknowledging and transferring
Many people have "chosen" to be gay and have later became straight again. Gay is a choice or it is conditioned by others. In some cases by sex abuse of children. No one knows what sex is at the start of life. Someone has to tell you or show you.
There is scientific evidence to support homosexuality as a trait one is born with. And if you don't consider science as part of reality then this isn't a debate, it's just prejudice.
scientists have suggested an epigenetic change in genes passed to the individual from the parent of opposite sex. however, no conclusive evidence has been validated. a person who believes they are LGBT & then reverses- proves the mental afflicti
Your, "There is scientific evidence to support " is the same as .... advertisers who say 4 out 5 Doctors said... You are deluded if you think they are all born that way.
A person who reverses their sexual orientation is either bisexual or lying. Why would anyone commit suicide rather than just changing their minds, if it's so easy? And '4 out of 5 doctors' is the basis of science. An educated guess based on evidence.
sexual orientation is a psychology term invented to separate normal and abnormal sexual attitudes. each individual must personally determine their own sexual attitude. they may change their personal attitude anytime based on knowledge advancement.
Well, we know what IS a choice - who we CHOOSE to hate! Though you know, isn't hate and anger a tool of the devil? If you're going to use the way of God as an argument, we might as well use the Devil too
Nobody thinks about psychology when they are attracted to someone. It's imbedded in our core; we love who we love because it feels right. It's using words like 'abnormal' and 'immoral' that hurts perfectly good people.
Why do perfectly good people fear words like 'abnormal' and 'immoral' when speaking the truth? Is it that they want to change abnormal and immoral to be considered normal and moral? Decisions made using false definitions are not TRUTH.
And saying TRUTH over and over again doesn't make your arguments true.
when individuals work with the truth, those who disagree cannot counter it. all they can do is disagree. science is considered a wonderful thing. but when it is used through bias it does not represent truth. that is why truth will always win.
Yet my truth is that I am gay. Your truth is that you don't like it much, and think it's an affliction. Now if we could all just agree 2 disagree, + get on with worrying about our own lives, + not those of others we don't know - we'd all be happier
jlpark - you have just qualified my question. I agree that you can disagree. But, I do not agree that I should not assist those who seek it. You have made your choice so you will go your way regardless of truth. Others seek me and I will assist them
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first of all - no one is sentencing them to HELL. they are doing that all by themselves. having worked with some confused individuals, I was just wondering if others had some plan for assisting them. I am not miserable-for I live a truthful life.
I don't understand the inability people have to leave others alone. No gay people are forcing straight people to marry them, there is no "gay agenda" other than wanting to be equal. The bigotry gets tiresome.
taburkett....How DARE you. Speaking of HELL...WHO the HELL do you think you are? You live a truthful life? Good..here are some truths for you: You are ignorant. UN-Christian, rude & obnoxious. Self-righteous idiots are a waste of air & spac
as usual, the incapable delve directly into personal slander when confronted with truth. when one lives by the truth, the personal slander always arises because those who oppose the reality have no truth to relay.
IDONO - I agree! The beauty of a rainbow is all its colors! Why can't we accept the rainbow of humanity and enjoy all the diversity? Celebrate love where it exists!
The only one who needs 'ASSISTANCE' is YOU, taburkett. I suggest you get it ASAP. I also suggest that your rant is more indicative of your battle with your own latent homosexuality..which is clearly raging...
LOL...you are a joke, my little executive
as usual, the lame comments erupt into blatant personal attacks against those who have spoken the truth. this is not uncommon from those who refuse to accept the truth about the subject. the typical malcontented immoral society members refuse truth
I ask again - WHOSE TRUTH? You and I and ChristinS and fpherj48 and SriT and Obama and tom Cruise and every other being in this world live in different realities and experience different truths. Believe what you want, but don't impose it on others
You are sentencing them to hell by stating that they have no way to heaven because they are living an immoral life of nothing but sin. What do you call that? The ultimate sin is putting yourself and your judgement on an equal plain with God's.
You sentenced them to hell by stating their life is sinful and immoral. What is immoral is putting your judgment on the same plain with God's or using outrageous judgments for the purpose of getting more hits on Hubpages. And that is the truth.
IDONO-you seem to have me confused with GOD. I have sentenced no one. they are fully responsible for themselves. I am simply a transporter for GOD's righteousness. Mentoring those who wish to gain wisdom and insight. Truth will always win.
You are the transporter of your own self-righteousness, not God's. God taught me to not judge and to love all for what they are. Not what I want them to be. You promote. Your truth is the only truth. You are chosen. You are delusional. Get help.
IDONO-you state "God taught me to not judge" and then you state "You are delusional. Get help" so in your own statement you disprove your statement. Truth will always win.
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Eric Dierker says
you speak of convincing - yet you seem to also convey that the immoral propaganda used to influence the youngster is permissible. moral issues arise daily and so words and deeds directly convey morals of the individual. immoral breeds more immoral.
We can only HOPE you have done NO BREEDING!!
moral will always breed - because moral truth can never be stopped. it possesses the power of fact not fiction. however, the immoral untruths will always fade away.
I am quite sorry if this bothers someone, but this sounds like Nietzsche who was used by Hitler -- nits make lice.
Thumbs up to Erikdierker! :)
when confronted with truth-the destroyer of moral always spews inappropriate comments in an attempt to win favor. corrupt politicians today use this same technique to justify social morphing into immoral activity. so the immoral board the same wagon
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Nicola Thompson says
I agree 100% - why should it matter to anyone else? I am proud to have friends in the LGBT community and I will stand with them until they are treated as the equal human beings they are. A tide is turning - thankfully in the proper direction :)
Just because people do it doesn't make it right. You brought up animals. There are people who support zoophilia throughout history. Is that normal? They say it's all love too. They say you are a bigot if you are against it.
while many people chime pride, they do so by supporting immoral activity. therefore, they fail to acknowledge the truth. failing to acknowledge the truth then destroys the society. but you still have not answered the question.
If it isn't right for you, that's fine don't engage in it. Why should what two other consenting adults do effect you Sri? It doesn't.
Love. Any action that is taken against love is taken against God. Any rule or stricture or scripture that is interpreted against love is against God.
Yes perhaps each case requires our inspection. But a hetero marriage without love is an abomination.
I personally don't care what the adults do. But it's not good to see children conditioned into that lifestyle when they can't see the trouble that is ahead of them. I have seen people putting dresses on little boys. You don't think thats a problem?
Sri T I believe I said between two consenting adults. and children are not programmed by gay parents any more than children are by straight parents. Taburkett, if love is immoral, then may I burn!
It is the parents responsibility to teach their kids about sexuality. Some choose not to. What would a gay parent teach? I think you understand now.
You're concerned they wouldn't teach sex ed? That they would leave out the science of how a baby is made? They're gay, not dumb. When a kid asks where babies come from, it's a bit out-dated to say the stork brings them
No. The point is would they teach them sexuality between a male and a female, or gay? I hope you don't say both because then you will confuse the kids. It's better to teach them to have a natural, normal lifestyle.
Having had to deal with society's struggles their entire life, I think they would teach them to be who they are.
Sri - gay is not synonymous with stupid. I know exactly how a child is made, + heterosexual sex. I am gay. I will b teaching my kids sex ed at the right time, covering ALL topics. Yet there r many str8 parents 2 scared 2 talk abt sex, let alone gay.
I never said gays are stupid. I'm glad you responded. You answered my question perfectly. Now maybe they will see my point.
justification is always attempted by including the moral activity teachings. however, this presents a further problem for the untrained as they emphasize immoral as moral to gain the justification. when confronted with truth, justifier rebukes it.
Tab - lucky I'm trained + work as a nurse then - I know the truth, I know the info they need to know. So, I'll tell them, without emphasis on any1 sexuality, but covering it all. Emphasis solely on safety - personal + emotional. Whats yr training in?
JLPARK-training based on truth. Not modified. No PC used when dealing with abnormal and immoral. You see, when dealing in truth, no need to place emphasis on any 1 sexuality. Through truth, all is safe+personal+an instructive conscious experience
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it is also known that children of a single parent family are more likely to be. thanks for the name calling it makes a great point - exactly like all other ridiculous banter. the question is not theory or research it is plainly mentoring.
...I am a child if a single parent family, and I am no different than any one else, which is kind of proving Borsia's point that you are spouting out things as if they are fact when it's just your belief. There's a huge difference
as usual when truth is emitted, the slander begins. all individuals desire & so must secure their inner spirit. some choose moral while others choose immoral. both are influenced by others who support those ways. path to righteousness is moral tr
I've not been able to find any study that shows single parent children are any more likely to become gay. They are more likely to be sexually abused, and abused in general for that matter.
the reason there are no research papers on the web is due to the lawsuits still pending on 4 papers. the lawyers for LGBT claim prejudice in conjunction with those. but those same lawyers claim no prejudice occurs when researchers are gay. truth wins
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Sri T (the mystic) says
there is nothing normal about abnormal. so acceptance of the abnormal requires rejecting truth. there is not a new world, but a growing destruction of moral society.
To quote more points that have already been made: a straight couple having a kid that prefers the same gender didn't seem to sway the preference of the kid. So why should a gay couple? gay parents might condition their child to be accepting of all
Because children are too young to know the difference. That is the point of conditioning. Children mirror what they see without knowing what it is. They are trained into roles.
If children are trained into roles then how do so many straight parents keep producing gay kids? you've obviously not been around a lot of gay people. I have and they were mistreated mercilessly by others as kids for being different. Choice? Not!
You may be right. Either the parents fail in the training or there is a psychological or biological problem there. It still does not make it normal. Retardation can happen too. We don't just flow with it. It requires attention.
a child is mentally trained by the people that surround them. if they are surrounded by immoral people they are more likely to be immoral. choice is an individual action - so, the individual that is mentally afflicted cannot make a moral choice.
comparing retardation? really? Yeah, we do protect the rights of those with retardation - and my down syndrome cousin is gay - guess what he gets more flack for? Ignorance is abundant wow. and no, his parents weren't "immoral" he is what he is.
you are correct that ultimately people will do what they want. but how do you support morals when confronted by immoral supporters? some run and hide because the radicals will rise against them and many moral individuals will not aid them in truth.
Its not ignorance actually, both have psychological or biological factors. You said yourself its not conditioned. At least thats your opinion. I don't know if you have thoroughly studied conditioning.
down syndrome is a genetic disability that renders the infected individual incapable of cognitive ability. someone with this affliction is incapable of identifying immoral activity. therefore, they are more at risk than the cognitive individuals.
Oh how ignorant TA and Sri were! And placing themselves in the position of counselling others. I wonder if they ever changed.
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attikos...oh my, "counseling? moral society? MENTAL AFFLICTIONS? Immoral structure?"...Pull-ease...tell me I am hallucinating! Who ARE these aliens of such ignorance?Yeah, obviously the "drug decades," contributes to HIS dilemma. Somebody slap him.
no pretty girls required. but common sense and the acceptance of truth is.
I'm not sure it'd be safe to date a counselor, fpherj48. She'd be too insightful. Or inciteful. Or something like that. Err ... do you happen to have an answer to my question, though? It's just idle curiosity, you understand, nothing that matters.
attikos..OH, you're right. I should answer your question. "pretty" isn't all it's cracked up to be, unless it's a BONUS, in a smart, talented, hard-working, personable woman. and from experience, I can guarantee you, the same goes for pretty MEN!
I have in mind testing this. Sharing drink with pretty girl at bar: "I can't, I'm too embarrassed."
"You can tell me."
"I think ... (sob) ... I may be gay."
Three hours later: "You're definitely not gay."
"I'm not sure. We better run another test."
personal affliction is very difficult to overcome especially when it is forged within mental incapacity of the afflicted. until the mentally afflicted recognize their affliction it will never be corrected. self-infliction is a very serious matter
It's starting to dawn on me I have to try harder. I'm not sure my message is getting across.
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Billie Kelpin says
funny you should use that comparison - you see - I am color blind. That is why I can assist all individuals, because I do not let a foolish color code or national origin or PC keep me from the truth.
say what? Surely a color-blind person can understand the analogy and extrapolate! And that inability is precisely why this question was asked in the first place.
while you describe extrapolation, your analogy is the same as all who wish to circumvent the truth. those are the ones who change all subject matter in an attempt to prove immoral as moral and abnormal as normal. but truth will never be made this way
You'll have to excuse me for posting that comment because I try never to be unkind. I'm sorry.
Billie, no need for apology. it is not wrong to love. it is wrong to focus love in immoral and abnormal circumstances. When society is enamored with false teachings, moral society is destroyed. Moral individuals must fight against such destruction.
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I was not insinuating anything that could not have been deduced from your question - u come across as though u practice. Thanks for answering though
Justsilvie, well spoken. By golly you are on to something. I will try to be more cognitive in this regard. Because these things always start with us.
You are on track. From Hubpages to religious wars, it's all about personal decisions and trying to control the decisions of others. I believe pointing the finger at others is a display of insecurity in ones own personal decisions. Deflection if uwill
no one is being a dictator-but many immoral individuals do wish to model their attacks on morality as such. the major problem on this planet is the teaching of immoral activity as moral. declaring immoral as moral is not truthful. truth will prevail
Taburcket, I would say your morality is subjective.You insist that homosexuality is an illness but at the same time condemn the person afflicted as being corrupt. Would you say the same of a person who has cancer or is bipolar?
my question is how you help the afflicted. I help them all the time. the society is being ruined by not fixing the problem. in essence this is the same as accepting any other affliction by not seeking a solution. I condemn none. those are your words
If the afflicted (any affliction, behavioral or otherwise) does not want your help, you don't. If he does, you may try any treatment you like, he accepts, and the law doesn't forbid. He has a right to be left alone, though. You must not breach it.
amplification of immoral acts does destroy the society. each subsequent layer of immoral activity leads to further degradation that leads to full destruction. providing truth about immoral acts to those seeking it is no different than any other help
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