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Best Answer Borsia says
I am not convinced at all that the chemical attack was purposely done by the Asaad regime. I do not believe our USA politicians who say they are sure. It looks like we are going to attack though. Hope we are doing the right thing--what a mess!
Just remember how they were so sure before we attacked Iraq and all their WMDs.
These people, and I use the term vaguely, will do anything to serve their puppet masters. They are OWNED !!!
I live in the US and still understand - but that's because I open my eyes and look at sources outside the US for my info. I agree with you about this, it's about money always has been, always will be.
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Charles Dawson says
He has a history of saying one thing while doing another and has always been in the pockets of big money.
I hear u. I think our establishment sees it like this---we r the global police with the most power and means to punish. Obama should not have said awhile back that using a chem attack would cross a line cause now it has happened--.
Obama has always been a "talk first, think later" kinda guy
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Christin Sander says
Oh missy -- look up the USS Hope and USS Comfort (AH-6) and USS Mercy (AH-8) Those babies are bad ass. They sail so fast and so far. They got weapons of mass love and humanity. Where there is a tsunami, where there is famine. This horrible ships are
Great points @Erick
The Iraq WMD thing is hanging over our heads.
Ah -- no it is not -- only in American Mass Media. If some talking head is still saying we should not have gone into Iraq Wow!! I would really like a link -- missing or otherwise to that fine guru. I want to forward it to the women have graduated.
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My Esoteric says
You have some good points but why us? What do you think about the USA not going thru the UN when we always tell others to take it to the UN. We are saying heck with UN---we will do what we want to do---I think much of the world resents that.
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Eric Dierker says
Its all done at the whim of the big shadow masters who run the multinational corporations that make their fortunes from war. Like Halliburton, the Federal Reserve, hidden with names like Black Water. It all about money as is NATO and the UN and WMF
You seem cynical but I suspect you are also right on. Part of me thinks like you do plus I have connections who say similar things as you.
There was a mass uprising a few years ago in Iran---wonder why we did not help more then?
Exactly right Borsia - but people don't want to see that, they still see this as some "moral" issue we have to step in. How moral of us was it to kill all those Iraqi people over WMD's that don't exist? what people believe still baffles me.
Lunar Landing, Holocaust, schools bombed in Afghanistan because girls attend --- all hoax's? I have never heard an Iraqi complain about liberation. But I will make sure to tell the sailors I see today that they are just stooges.
Don't go there with me Eric, my family is all military. They know Iraq was a farce because some were there - were you? didn't think so.
Well yes I have been there. But I do not think It is relevant. But you beat me hands down --- anyone who can call 100,000+ dead a "farce" is way above my pay grade.
I am afraid it is you who don't know what you are talking about @Christin or at least how to clearly state it. Iraq was no farce to the people who fought and died in it, you disrespect them, they weren't laughing, just as I wasn't laughing in Vietnam
Thank you my friend for serving along side My father and uncles in law. Perhaps my wife would not be alive if not for your service.
I don't dishonor their service, I disrespect a government that lied to send them to die for no good reason. Tell my sister her best friend had to die of suicide after returning home - he never belonged there none of them did.
Nope I will tell the girl Now twenty who just graduated from school. I will tell the little boy who now has clean drinking water. And I will tell the Vet who got shot carrying a little girl out of an IED explosion. I will tell them they are dupes.
I love it when somehow seeing Vietnam or Iraq for what they were is disrespectful of those who served there, like they had a choice.
McNamara admitted on his death bed that the Gulf of Tonka was fabricated and the war was a horrible mistake.
Sorry buddy I have a wife and a child that would not be alive if not for our "conflict" in Vietnam. Call it as you see it. But I sure love this lady born there in the 70's
Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were farces, many times over. Iraq was a war we weren't supposed to be in, but in it we were. Once committed, we should have conducted it like it was WW II, instead, they toyed with it like it was Granada.
You can't fight a full scale mechanized war against a gruella foe.
This is why we lost the war in Vietnam, and really haven't won in Iraq even though we took out the official Iraqi military in something like 2 months. Things are going back to chaos.
@Borsia, of course you are right. I was more referring to the "in it to win it" concept of WW II, regardless of the strategy needed. The one Bush, et al used was wrong. Gen Petraeus and Obama, in his support of his concept, were right.
The only ones who can possibly win in such a situation are the people of the country. But it has to be their doing not the act of a foreign power.
The USSR failed in Afghanistan and they went "all in" with no holds barred.
Its just not winnable.
That is how we finally got the upper hand in Iraq. Instead of fighting against the Sunni's and a lot of Shi'ites; Petraeus, through diplomacy, civic actions, and bribes peeled them away from al Qaeda and over to our effort rather than fighting us.
We won against the Iraqi military but Iraq lost. Now we are leaving it is falling back into the hands of the extremists. Terrorist acts are way up infighting among the different groups is running rampant and there is no reason to see improvement.
It depends on where you sit, doesn't it. Kurds would probably not agree with you, the families of the 250,000 - 1,000,000 Hussein gassed or whisked off in the dead of night to kill, probably wouldn't agree either. Ba'athists would, however.
The fractions will continue to kill each other just as they have for the last millennium.
We directly and indirectly killed more than Saddam did and they in worse shape now than when we attacked them.
Regardless it wasn't our problem or business
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Right! Why doesn't someone else closer do something? Why us? The Arab League has suspended Syria from the league... We are not going thru the UN which I also don't like---we always tell others they have to go thru the UN...
I just listened to Sen Rand Paul embarrass himself answer SefDef's rhetorical question to him "Is it more or less likely Assad will use WMD if we do nothing", to which Paul responds "No one knows for sure"!! What an idiot.
Rwanda, Darfur, apparently our country can turn a blind eye when it doesn't benefit their financial agenda. It's not that I don't personally care, I mind that we are being lied to about the real motive.
The US doesn't have solid proof that chem. weapons were used or who used them. Read this: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/26/syria-a...
Chem puts mass murder into a whole new realm and requires immediate response, as odd as that sounds. As I understand it, several nations now regret their inaction in Rwanda and wish they had chosen differently. Darfur, million tears; diplomatic end
Well now ahorseback and My esoteric are you two do not know what you are talkiing about. I live in a town where battle fatigues are more normal than ties. All Volunteer and two were pumping there hands up and yelling Syria Hoorah Syria Hoorah.
Not sure what you mean @Eric
Caleb--I did read article-thanks! We do seem selective n which atrocity we get involved n but makes sense too...or does it? I also did not get Eric's comment.. Horseback-we ain't sure who did what though but I hear ya.
Sorry about that comment. I think my boy came in and jumped in my lap with a Popsicle instead of delete submit got hit..I know I wanted to make the point that our military -- grunts that is, are behind taking action. Their lives not mine.
As soon as I read "... the US puppet, Cameron, who ..." in the article @Caleb posted, I knew this was a piece of comedic satire and not to be taken seriously, so I stopped wasting my time..
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but it does not address my question per chemical attack, etc., the rebels are a patchwork of groups, one cannibal nut case does not represent all of them no more than Jeffrey Dahmer represents all Americans, I hear you though--I do