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I think it is an important question because it is often a contentious talking point for anti-gay rhetoric. The widespread belief that sexual orientation is not a choice would be an important factor in the struggle for acceptance and equal treatment.
I know anti-gay people will often try to claim it's a choice, so I suppose it's important to understand it's not. Gay-to-straight therapy never works, etc. I just don't see "choice" as the problem, I see homophobia as the problem.
"choice" alone isn't the problem, but it is part of it. I wanted to take a moment to focus on this specific aspect of modern LGBT matters. It is through understanding the parts so that we can better deal with the whole.
That line of attack has two points: people choose to be gay and being gay is bad. Defeating that attack can be done by defeating either element. If being gay isn't bad then choice/not choice becomes irrelevant.
Understanding that it is not a choice is a step toward making it okay to be gay. I don't think any sort of attack is the approach I would seek to take. I seek to unearth what constitutes the various roots of modern social issues, and start there.
Well, I admire your approach, and wish you the best of luck, but for all the stones I've turned up, I have only ever found fear, hate, and dependency, and I just don't have the patience or interest to look anymore.
The thing I don't like about the "choice" argument is that a lot of things aren't choices - mental illness, for example, which homosexuality is called by haters. But being gay is not sick or wrong, it's natural and okay, that's the important thing.
Ego is the problem. Everything is a choice. Denying this makes us irresponsible. Hate does not come from nature; it's a choice. And we can choose not to follow nature. Love really is the answer and I'm not talking about physical acts.
It may be a choice whether or not we give in to our nature, but the question is whether or not you think having a homosexual orientation is by nature or by choice.
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Reference Bible Le 18:22 “‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing. Kingdom Interlinear The selected verse is not present in this Bible. Byington Le 18:22 Neither shall you lie with a male
I do not respect people who hide behind bible passages rather than take the time and effort to think for themselves and offer up a valid point.
You can not hide behind the truth. You can reject it because it does not speak your point of view . That is your choice also , I believe in the bible ,and what it says ,you believe in something else.
You are right about that.
The same one who said it is wrong to kill is the same one who who wrote Leviticus 17:22. How would you know it is wrong unless it was written. And how would you know about the word love for it is written also. but it is clear you worship another.
The Bible is written, interpreted, rewritten, edited, and propagated by men, not a single one of which I have ever found worthy of speaking about God. The Heavenly Father is bigger and better than any word and well above the pettiness of condemnation
Your quotation is barely relevant to my question anyway. This is not a discussion about whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. This is a discussion about whether or not it is a choice.
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What ever is open for discussion on Hp is anybody business once you post it. If you did not want it to be then people should not post , I do agree about your buisness, So mabe you should tell the one over the post . Or let Hp know you have a problem.
You are free to voice your opinion, but sometimes in so doing, you open yourself to criticism. I find your arguments and rhetoric to be weak and of little substance. Your bible quote is also barely relevant to the discussion.
Spongy - last comment wasn't' 2 u - but 2 those who spout bible verses. Thats what my Bible comment was about 2. Not sure if u meant me or K+T
K+T - you missed the point. It's not abt the question itself but why if it doesn't affect u, why care?
Yes, that was addressed at KT, not at you.
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Timothy Smith says
We are all free moral agents .what we allow ,what we do is always a choice. That is simple unless some one raped you. Are you looking for people to agree with your choice or do want to know why you feel unhappy and where does it say it is wrong ?
Assuming you are straight, did you make a choice to date the opposite sex? You just did. Same as I. Funny how man is paid to kill in war but it is immoral to love a man. I was unhappy, was past tense because I was not the norm. Continued...
As an example if you have a buffet of food before you ,what do you do ,do you eat what you want and like , or do you just eat anything because you can ?
Without consequences of allergies.
Thank you for sharing your story TJSMITH. I am sorry to hear that you have grown up in such a difficult place to be yourself. I was lucky to be born in Canada where the law is incontrovertibly on the side of the LGBT community.
I listed the scripture not just in one bible but more . this is how the Heavenly Father feels about the subject,and others as follow! In consideration
Things happen many times not under our control as little ones, and surly our Heavenly Father will
I am not religious. I am not someone with whom you will get anywhere on the subject of God and the bible.
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Rebecca Mikulin says
Mark Lees says
Well people do have the right to walk in a body they was born in that was not a choice. But what they do with it is still a choice. So would it be right to conclude a person who think it is a right to kill other humans because he want to is right.?
There is a difference between blood lust and sexual orientation. You will convince nobody that murderous inklings are comparable to sexual orientation. It will always be wrong to kill, and never wrong to love.
I am not asking anyone to respect me ! You can not because you do not know me. But if you love the Heavenly Father then that respect is due to him. So is your opinion and views
I am not aware of the Heavenly Father. If you want me to take your words seriously, I will only do so if they are your own.
There is no need for me to post to you because you do not recognize his opinion or authority ,Which I very much respect. My words mean nothing. For I am human as you are. And I did not write Liviticus 18:22 and other scriptures as to right and wrong.
KisandTales, there is no substance to your argument and I can say with 100% confidence that you don't follow all the teachings of the bible. And if you don't want to listen to non-believers don't comment on their posts.
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Pamela N Red says
You assume that the prophets from whom scripture allegedly originates are a reliable source of His word. Not to mention the subjectivity of translation from one language to another across wide expanses of space and time.
And Spongy0llama forgets to mention the fact that the scriptures were hand chosen and edited to fit the patriarchal desires of Emperor Constantine in Rome some threeish centuries after Jesus. Also evolution trumps god.
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Rod Martin Jr says
Yes, people can choose whether or not they act on their inborn sexual orientation. However, my question is whether or not you think homosexuality is a product of nature or of conscious choice. Not the act itself, but the state of being homosexual.
Well, whatever works.