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I agree neither party is standing on "holy ground". The Veterans of war have not been given the support they deserve for (generations). The scandals don't end until the next president takes office, then it's his or her turn!
Equally guilty is an interesting notion mitigated by the fact that Obama claims the most transparent administration while being as opaque as any prior.
Nope....equal treatment. Where were the hearings on the embassy bombingsundr Bush? If not watch, do: Jeans Cruz USA. 220,500 vets denied treatment in 05 after Iraq. Where "scandal"? You want crush BO after ignoring Bush crim3s?NO.
lovemychris - I don't believe anyone is blaming Obama personally for this, but he is the man in charge of everything. What happens on his watch ultimately rests on his shoulders. He picked many of the wrong people to head up various departments,
And he's going to be impeached by the same people that started all this mess. The wars, the torture, the Patriot Act, TARP.....They did it: he pays!
Equally guilty? How can you say that when the Obama admin. was made aware of the VA situation actually before they took office in 2008. 4 years have gone by & it only got worse under Obama. Nor are GOP to blame for IRS & other BO scandals eit
Obama was part of the Senate committee responsible for VA oversight. Obama vote for TARP. Obama has reauthorized and sought to expand the Patriot Act. Obama continued rendition and black sites. His hands are not clean and he lies about washing them.
He never claimed to be "clean". You all do. Everything Bush/Cheney did, you roll over as if it's nothing. It aint ancient history, and you don't get off that easy.WHO'S watch was TARP, torture, Patriot Act,Iraq? Let me guess...Clinton, then Obama.
LMC - I have to ask you if anything other administrations did in the past makes what this administration is doing today OK? To think sins of the past makes todays sins OK is childish in my opinion. It sounds like something we might hear in school.
Childish? How's this: I did something wrong. I got away with it. Now I point the finger at the guy who had to take my fall out. I am free---he will be hanged. Childish...nah, that's Immoral and spiritually bankrupt. As long as Bushco walks free-WHAT?
LMC - So if your sister robbed a bank 15 years ago that makes it OK for you to rob a bank today? Your thinking is not logical. I suggest you just take a hard look at what is happening today and work with that.
If my sister robbed a bank and you let her get away...in fact, didn't even admit she had done anything wrong...what right on gods earth do you have to condemn the next person that comes along?YOU think about it. Getting away w murder means murderisok
Obama = Bush, He supported(took credit for)TARP, kept "Black Sites" open, continued rendition,withdrew from Iraq on the Bush schedule,expanded the Patriot Act,attacked Libya,Yemen and continued Afghanistan. Obama=Bush.
LMC - You missed the point entirely. Neither of us can do a thing about what past administrations did. But that is no excuse for the present administration to do some of what they are doing. That was the point I was trying to make with you.
Mike, you should know by now liberals always point to other bad behavior to justify their bad behavior. That, playing the race card, creating a straw man and lying are the 4 cornerstones of their playbook.
Bush not called socialist, food stamp prez, had his birth right questioned, his patriotism questioned, his wife compared to a baboon, called a mooch, and had an opposing party dedicated to opposing everything he wants to do. Bush treated better, not=
LMC - Your hatred of Bush is preventing you from seeing the present and paying attention to what is happening to this country. Take a "Bush break" and look around, you might be surprised at what you learn. Have a good life, I'm done with this.
Whats happening to this country began a long time ago. Why don't you stop blaming the current prez, and see the real issue: Money, and those who have it.Bush I don't hate.Cheney, yes.Plenty of Obama hate--from members in gvt. THAT the problem.Admitit
Didn't Obama campaign to fix all the abuses of all those dead white men and their constitution. Isn't he the change you lefties have been waiting for?
No, he said he was moving forward, not looking in the past. Pelosi said she wouldn't put the country through impeachment hearings--and now look at what Rs do in return. 24/7 6 yrs and running of tax money spent to get Obama. For Groundswell. Pathetic
When Obama does the same things as GWB Republicans are supposed to be angry with Bush, yet Democrats will not blame the smartest man to ever be President for doing the same things as the most stupid man to ever be President. WHY- Lefties are crazy.
you got that backwards. Your'e not supposed to be angry with Obama. Get it? I mean--how can you be? IF they both do the same...and Bush not held to account, what right do you have to say anything about Obama?Besides, you know they not the same.AsdoI.
I agree with you, Old Pool Man. That makes a lot of sense what you said.
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Really?So none of the "scandals" happened just prior? Remember going to war w the army we have? Umm, that was one w no kevlar vests. And guess what?That was Clintons fault! Mr invisible slipped right by. Scandals are Democrat in nature. Rs do no wron
LMC, not the point. GWB is no longer in office, Obama has 3 years to go. Democrats choose to focus on social experimentation and not war preparation. The next war America fights will be bloody as hell because we are dismantling our capabilities.
That not the point. Point is Rs in charge of House during both adm. Bush crimes--ignored. Fall-out of Bush crimes blame placed on Obama, demand his head. No integrity, only politics. Next war same as last: neo-con quest for greater Israel. Who dies?
Dems have been in charge of Senate since 2006 and held the House from 2006 to 2010. So why didn't they do anything, because they were too busy destroying health care, energy and the economy?
Easy. Filibusters. They had House from 07 and that's when banking regulation, consumer protection act, increase to vets happened. TARP was LAW by time BO got in. YET you TP blame him. Wars started 03...blame Obama. Debt: Bush tax cuts, war and part D
OBAMA WAS A SENATOR and met with GWB during the 2008 campaign about TARP. He did not emerge from the water and walk naked and innocent into the White House.
Nor was he commander in chief. Who would that have been, hmm? You want to hang BO......why not Bush?
Commander-in Chief applies to the military power of the President. TARP was not a declaration by an all mighty ruler, it was a law passed through a DEMOCRAT dominated Congress - BHO endoresed and voted for it (at least he did in this reality).
"as President, Obama changed TARP to spur lending among small businesses, create programs to assist homeowners in refinancing their homes, rescue GM, and create programs to directly provide funds to states hardest hit by the housing crisis."
How did Obama change TARP, it was a law not an executive order and was in place prior to his election. Besides, if he wants to claim credit for TARP, so be it. He has been a dismal failure.
Oh Oh, There you go using those darn facts. You know how much liberals hate facts and rely on their internal rumor mills.
He didn't take credit for TARP--TP gave it to him. With their disgusting voodoo witch doctor signs. Where were the signs dissing Bush then? Invisible...just like their responsibility for anything. Obama used TARP money for people, as well as banks.
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Clayton Hartford says
Oh...ok. Stupid foolish people back Obama. You smart ones know better. Did you by any chance vote for Bush..... twice?....hand this man a suma cum laude.....ooooooops, Obama got that. Yeah.....stupid.
yeah and he got the Nobel Peace Prize, not like he earned it either. Obama, has no solid leadership experience, and yet, you voted for him why because he is black? or because he wasn't a republican, either way, you did not vote on merit.
I voted for him because he was against the Iraq invasion, promoting green energy,and tax cuts for the middle class. And Bush,Reagan and Daddy Bush wrecked the world....Hilary kisses too much zio butt, and RMoney is a criminal. Now--why you vote Bush?
Voted for him, because he was a business man, he had a political record, and knew how to handle issues that came up, thank god he was in the WH when 9/11 happened, I shutter to think what weenie obama would have done, probably bowed to Bin Laden...
OK--now our realities have no semblance of anything similar......for I am one who believes the Bush adm helped Israel to commit 9/11. PNAC, Greater Israel....Muslim hatred. Nazi. Hopefully, there are 2 shadow gvts-one good, and yours. Over n out.
Apparently, you are also one of those who has a very loose definition of reality.
Yes, in my reality, no 19 men w box cutters could dupe the United States Military apparatus. Not in a million years. Inside Job.
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Tim Mitchell says
Cody Hodge says
I thought the 'discussion' was starting to get 'interesting'. No time for 'commercials'..Let the 'peace talks' begin if that's still allowed! Keeping a open mind and following who is right..is difficult. Keep me informed!
mio cid says
The day she gets in office is the day America (& the music) dies. I see the headlines now, Hillary blames her "phony" scandals on internet videos saying this about the thousands of deaths she has caused "What difference at this point does it mak
Hillary has plenty of scandals she is already dragging around behind her.Democrats will forgive anything, but the American voter is not always so generous.
So , the democrats are not american voters?
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I find him a bit of a bore, as narcissists usually are.
Leslie McCowen says
The VA "scandal" happened on Obama's watch, can't blame George for that one. Not a fan of either of them, but anyone that has ever gone through the VA Healthcare System can attest that it is a universe unto itself and then they cover their butts.
But when it happened under Bush, it wasnt a scandal! WE wrere called anti-American for even saying anything. Obama knows now, and is going to do something about it. Whose fault is it that nothing was done under Bush? Equal treatment, or nothing.
As long as there has been people there has been war. That is not going to change. The willful ineptitude of government and the stupidity of those who see it as the best solution is not nearly as universal. What has BHO cleaned up, the world burns.
Oh I see.....but when one person does it, its patriotic. When another does, its impeachable?If you RWers continue on your quest to impeach, while Cheney walks free, demanding Obamas head:this country deserves to burn.There is no integrity in her-done
lovemychris - From what I read, you are about the only one playing the party game on this one. Going back to the Bush days will not fix the problems with the VA we see today. Try living in the present and not hanging onto the past.
I see, you want me to forget about Iraq, 9/11, torture,Patriot Act, Haliburton, Blackwater, Enron....but get outraged about VA, IRS, Ben.G.Hazi? And I'M playing the party line? Get real.This is ALL politics, nothing more.And BO gave R's a pass.toobad
LMC - Can you change any of those things that happened in the past? Move to the present and there is a chance to help everyone in the future. Living in the past is a waste of life and time. History is to be learned, not lived.
Well, that's convenient in'it?"the past" was 14 yrs ago....that is present, my friend.And the gvt is concerned what will happen to it's members when the torture report is released--forgetting the past is stupid. Rectifying the wrongs is needed.Ornada
The Bush admin. made the VA wait problem public and even in their campaigns in 2007 Obama and McCain addressed what they'd do about it. Obama got elected, did nothing for 6 years and now it's obvious under his admin they tried to cover it up.
LMC - I didn't say forget the past, I said we can't change it. So learn from it and move on. Nothing done in the past justifies doing it again now just because someone else did it.
So--why go after this prez then when the last one got a pass? You have 2 sets of standards."Oh forget what Bush did...Get Obama"I say forget what Obama does until you go after Bush! Bush adm denied benefits to Iraq vets.Should say Military did.Save $
It is the lying. Obama lied and people died. The VA scandal is significant, not because Obama directly denied Vets treatment - nor did GWB, but because the VA was touted as the model of GOVERNMENT single payer health care in order to sell Obamacare.
I don't recall the VA being touted. I remember Romneycare being touted! You know-the guy who's being sued for racketeering, and NO ONE brings it up! And if lying mattered, you all would have lambasted Bush, and you dint.You lambasted those who ? Bush
Check out the "brilliant" words of lefties' favorite economist, Paul Krugman or favorite journalist, Nicholas Kristof or favorite WaPo wonk(er), Ezra Klein. Obama is President, now, it is all on him. He will remain, despite his ineptitude.
Look who's talking brilliant. It would be on Obama if he could do anything. Gitmo closed: Congress won't fund it. Stimulus: cut in half for TAX CUTS FOR RUSH. Solyndra:Congress won't fund, China takes the reigns. Iraq, Failed economy, out-sourcing.RW
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So Obamacare will join Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security as one more drag on the economy. It is as I suspected, we are doomed by Democrat idiocy.
Mitch Mcconnell will collect 14,500 a month til the day he dies.THAT is drain on economy!
it is a drag on the economy unless you or someone in your family needs it!
Why do people need it, because the government has destroyed any alternative.
I know...those darn gvt insurance companies.
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