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Mark Lees says
Thank YOU! Intelligent answer! Obama is not a president but a DICTATOR!
Please offer some proof of that.....it's the most ridiculous statement from the Right.
Just to be clear, President Obama did not publicly say voting should be mandatory. Rather, he questioned if it would be beneficial. But, it begs the question. Would mandatory voting not clearly show who the majority want in office?
Creating a legal status for illegal aliens,that is dictatorship.
It wasnt when ole Reagan and Bush did it.....why now?
When did either one create a legal status where one did not exist before? Barack Obama is in direct violation of the Separation of Powers.
No he's not. He told them to act, or he would. They gave him the nanee nanee nana treatment. He is prez, they act like he's a porter on a train. btw--Congress violates separation of powers all the time by treating the office of prez disrespectfully.
Lefties understand nothing, sometimes it appears willful ignorance, other times raw ignorance.The President does not order Congress - ever.The President is not empowered to create a legal status - ever.Respect is not a Constitutional requirement.
Nor does the Congress spit on the Presidency! Respect is mandatory....otherwise: why bother? And this Congress is guilty of violating Logan Act. That is treason.
That Logan Act argument is meaningless and if this Congress is guilty multiple previous DEMOCRAT Congresses are just as, if not more so.How has this Congress disrespected the president, by not smooching his butt-ocks?!?!
Not true.It is unprecedented in history.Only reason no one is doing anything is because it was Bibi and Adelson requesting the treason, imo,and we are owned by AIPAC,of whom I never voted for to run my country! Go support the unelected-I support prez
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I like your idea about paying the voters! :) Wouldn't that be nice...
I wonder... is the issue ignorance? If voters were more invested in getting to the bottom of political debates... understanding proposals, wouldn't content and dialogue improve?
Well said gm! But the Democrat Party which hasbeen taken over by the left wing "progressives", needs an uneducated uninformed public to stay in control, which is all they care about, the power NOT the people.
What about voting incentives? Like a tax write-off? The ones who are too lazy to inform themselves before voting might also be too lazy to worry about the tax benefit. Win-win? Or bad idea?
Why do you hate poor people? They deserve a voting voucher because they don't earn enough for the tax.People who are intellectually lazy already do not vote,no incentive necessary.Why is it government's job to protect people from their own failings?
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Tim Mitchell says
Well said,could be a reason why for over two hundred years we have not made voting mandatory.Again Obama blew it, like immigration he should have proposed this when he had control of congress if he was serious about it. Lame as lameduck can be.
So, in other words, you're saying it would not accurately portray what the populous wants in their leader because too many people might "vote" with a blank ballot?
I am not sure what 'it' is. Mandatory voting? How can one regulate mandatory voting while ensuring a free election with a 'secret ballot'? If one does not prefer any choice will a box have to be marked? Or, will there be a box "None" be available?
A mandatory vote would negate a free or secret vote and guarantee tyranny - the natural tendency of the leftist.
Bulloney! It would still be secret, and give citizens the power over special interests. As it is now, the peoples will is ignored.
I love looking at all the people in line waiting to vote on election day. I have yet to see Big Pharma, Planned Parenthood or the NRA waiting in line to cast a vote.
You know lobbiests work behind the scenes....except that time Boehner handed out checks for Big Tobaccy on the floor...or we have AIPAC, who can make or break a career. WE the PEOPLE are the rulers here: voting should be mandatory.Price of admission.
Wow, really. Forcing people to vote doesn't sound wrong to lefties?Perhaps forcing people to exercise other Constitutional Rights would be equally appealing to lefty tyrants-everyone should be forced to own a fun and attend Democrat Party Rallies.
That's because you use the inflammatory word Force. Like Forcing me to have a baby against my will. There are many things "forced" on us...But voting was a GIFT the founders put in there. A great gift that we squander because of insidious whisperers.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. G.Washington.
Gvt is a force for good--until it is infiltraited by treasonus greed-mongers. We have been infiltraited. It is up to US to get them out, and be America of the people for the people by the people....ALL the people. We have been used and abused. Enuff!
I wonder if all those Native Americans wiped out by government thought it was a force for good.
It wasn't called gvt back then...it was "people escaping tyranny". But no--the "Indians" were not treated well by the invaders. But now, we have people from all over the world and all walks of life here, and we CAN make it what WE want. People'r good
Of course it was called government, reality must be terribly uncomfortable for lefties. The word government predates Columbus.
It took a while to form a gvt here....which is why they got along w and got much help from the "Natives" at first. They had no concept of this Devilishness that took over. *sigh* Tea Baggers even back then! Once "mine" came into the picture: Done
The Mayflower Compact, history is a tough subject for lefties because it is rooted in the real. Government is as old as the first tribal meeting in the first band of Neanderthals.
I don't have a problem w gvt,until it's infiltraited by thieves. If all people voted, perhaps that would not happen. I'm sure you know, a rotten apple spoils the whole barrell. We have about 13% ROTTEN, and they all vote. We need the 87% decent vote.
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Would requiring people to vote bring people who don't know what they're doing or how to do it to the polls? How would you make sure people are voting with good information?
So if someone pays no taxes should they be barred from voting?You do not find the notion of Forcing people to vote contradictory.People already vote for handouts,direct control over spending would destroy the entire Civil Society.
JPac1 - We can only present information. It's up to the individual to assimilate it. Retief- Remember the fight for NO taxation without representation? If you pay taxes, you should have a vote. Education is key.
So, axiomatically, if one does not pay taxes, i.e. all those receiving the earned income tax credit or any form of public assistance, then one should not be allowed to vote.If that is what you are saying, good luck with that.
retief - good luck to anyone who tries tax and voting reform! People hate change so much it will just never happen.
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M. T. Dremer says
The corner stone o/d is not to force anyone to give up their right to choose to vote.You really think forcing someone who chooses not to vote,to vote, furthers democracy?If someone cares so little about this country not to vote,why want them to?
Because they've been brainwashed to think it doesn't matter...so we end up being ruled by a 13% extremist minority.
The vote belongs to the citizen not the State. To compel someone to vote under the threat of legal penalty is to deny them the free use of their vote. This is not liberty, it is the natural desire of leftists to force choices.Vote or Die?
Wrong. Making sure we all vote saves us from the tyranny of special intersts who always do. The state is the people, not some foreign entity. We need to remember that, and not let America be sold to the highest bidder.
"The State is the people" is that what you tell yourself when you complain about your driver's license, driver's test and license plates?The State is the people, is that true in a dictatorship?
The drivers license comment was in answer to the silly claims about tyranny. Yet--having a wand probe my daughters insides doesn't seem to bother you. We all must vote! Otherwise special interests win the day. Voting comes w citizenship:we will care.
So government MAKES you vote and that is reasonable?What happens if someone doesn't vote-property seizure?The government already does that, every time it gets a chance.Government is force and lefties want to subject everyone to force,all the time.
No--you just can't be citizen. Make a new visa or something. HB 3: non-citizen. You can live here, but not call yourself American....kind of like I think they should do with the dual-citizens now. America First, or don't claim her!
So, you are saying that non-citizens get all the benefits of living here without the government making you vote and citizens get all the obligations plus government will force you to vote?Awesome, should we start building those gulags now?
The Gulags are already here...they're called Ghettos. I have no problem saying you vote, or you're not a citizen. Can't throw them out-but can't salute the flag, either. You're a welcome guest in my home. But since I vote...I make the rules!
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+++++ in agreement! Welcome to the USSA!
Tell me about it...I can go to jail for driving without my license! During Bush--Sheehan was taken to police station and booked...for a t-shirt! Obama who?
Yeah,right, so nobody should be required to have a license to drive and there shouldn't be any house rules barring demonstrations in the galleries? (she was removed charges were were never pressed) You're not a radical, they are, right?
That's right! The gvt is subjecting me to a license=$, a test=$, a yearly inspection=$ to get myself to work everyday. Meanwhile, you can buy a gun with a picture id! Sheehan was NOT demonstrating. She wore a shirt elBushbo didn't like. Unitary Exec.
How sad.Here you pay for the license alone and soon will be able to carry your firearm without needing a permit.God Bless America-it still recognizes the natural right to self protection and the necessity to guarantee competent drivers,USAUSAUSAUSA!!
Yeah. No competent gun owners tho, huh? Both cars and guns capable of causing death, but one gets a free pass. Know why? Because they buy legislation, we dont vote on it!
The right to self defense is a natural right. I know this notion is far too complicated for you to understand, but natural rights cannot be limited if one is to live in liberty. The limitation of natural rights is tyranny.
Sure it is, unless you're a Palestinian! Or a Black Panther fighting for their life against the Feds--Gun control then, eh, Reagan! Or a woman who fires a warning shot against an abuser:20 yrs. Self defense also includes safety from wacko's with guns
If a woman fires a warning shot in the Great AmeriKan left, like New Jersey, she may have trouble.In real America.not so much.Legally held firearms are far less dangerous than the ones Obama sent to the Mexican Cartels.
Ok--so why do you balk at more legalization?If I need classes, test, yearly inspection of my car--should be the same for guns. Personal use was only put in by that extremest Supreme Court of Righty's."well-armed militia" my aunt fanny
How said that someone with an education is so incapable of reading the Constitution.Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the rulings of multiple prior courts on the same issue.It has always been (here comes the redundancy) an individual right
An individual right for group purposes.Only in 2008 your boys interpreted it for personal home use. And even then, it wasn't any and all guns you so desire. Sheesh: your activist court has cost many lives! And look here- I respect it as U do RoevWade
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Leslie McCowen says
I'm curious what you think the media will contribute to this discussion that might cause it to fail?
Media will all get the memo, and start blasting us with "Gvt taking over our lives" "Tyranny" "Gvt telling us what to do"..."Stand up for your freedom! Is this Castro's Cuba?"...etc etc --all that inane propaganda suited for a 2 yr old. In My Opinion
So you don't seem to have a problem with government force, cool. No wonder the basic impulse of the left is toward despotism and not liberty.
It's not force, it's a choice. Vote, or give up citizenship. You religios are the ones into force. I'm all about freedom of choice.
Do you think there is some kind of inherent way the media works that will cause some kind of universal message to be sent? I'm not sure I see the validity of your argument that the media will be responsible for this idea's failure.
How long did the media keep us on the "Obama is not a citizen" meme? Remember when that mom was CRYING because Obama was "indoctrinating" her kid at school? Death Panels, ACA is killing people, "G-Dam America", Muslims BAD-Perception is reality.MEdia
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