ANTI-GOVERNMENT PROTESTS in Croatia - Enough is Enough

When the State becomes corrupt, civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty.

Democracy is not a state in which people act like sheep.

Democracy is an impossible thing until the power is shared by all.

Mahatma Gandhi


20 years ago my country, Croatia, became independent and 16 years passed by since war for this independence was over. Today Croats are peacefully fighting for independence again, in the form of loud protests, while demanding that our corrupted government resigns. Since 2 months ago, strong wave of anti-government protest is spreading all around the country , every day they are more people on the streets, requesting that government immediately resigns- at this moment 15 towns in Croatia regurarly organize protests.

Reason? Extraordinary corruption of our government and political elite (mafia) that destroyed majority of economy in the country in all together 15 years of their ruling...so we want them to finally quit, want to see them prosecuted because of all their crimes - and we want never see them again on our political scene. Enough is enough.

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Protest in capital of Croatia, city of Zagreb

Short History of Croatia

Croatia is beautiful country on Mediterranean Sea in south Europe. It was independent state already in 8th century, ruled by dukes and became kingdom in 10th century. It lost it`s independence in 12th century, when it joined the union with Hungary but always kept it`s parliament and it`s own country ruler. Later on, Croatia was part of Austria-Hungary empire most of the time, but also had it`s own parliament and country ruler (ban). After being incorporated in Yugoslavia for most of the 20th century, except during the WW2,  Croatia regained full independence again in 1991. First 8 years the country was ruled by right, conservative and nationalist party HDZ (Croatian Democratic Union), next 4 years by coalition of center and left parties (during that time economy started to recover), and last 7 years we have reformed HDZ again (with more or less same people), and economy is going down again, more seriously then ever before, but only because of their corruption, robberies, mafia businesses united with lack of knowledge and high incompetence for jobs they perform.

Dangerous hooligan, age 60, arrested on streets of Zagreb, injured by police

He only asked police not to be so cruel to protesters. Immediately punished, beaten up and arrested.
He only asked police not to be so cruel to protesters. Immediately punished, beaten up and arrested.

We don`t have any real reason to have serious economical problems - we are not overpopulated, have good climate, more then sufficient national resources, developed tourism, and well educated, intelligent and hard working people...but, like many nations on this world, we have chosen wrong politicians to lead the country - or, more likely they have chosen us . Whatever.

There are 4,5 millions of Croats, today 3 millions is poor thanks to the all unfavorable and hihgly illogical political and economical desicions of our government. Many experts just say that our polititians are idiots. I could not agree more then that.

We are very aware that many people on this world suffer much more and much longer then us - but 20 and something years ago, my people were not hungry and nobody was homeless, GDP was high - today there is 2/3 of citizens already facing poverty or will face it in the months to come. Times changed, somewhere on the way we lost our souls to allow this evil happens. People wanted "better" society, but have obviously chosen worse.

There is no real reason for any country to live in any type of real poverty, that people cannot affort to themselves education or not have opportunities in the life, or cannot get proper job or start some business- it is normal that some societies are richer then the others, but nobody needs to starve on this world - problems usually start with corruption of political elite in the country that has problems, because politics rule over business and/or corporation finance polititians. On that way, ordinary citizens and tax-payers can become only loosers in this rotten mafia game.

Why Croatian protesters ask from prime minister and her corrupted government to resign immediately?

Because we don`t want to see such situations ever again:

This man worked hard his entire life, now he cannot survive from his pension as well as many others

Mr. Cobankovic, Minister of Agriculture, completely incompetent for his job and highly corrupted - but rewarded.

Ex-Godfather of Croatian Mafia, Ex Prime Minister, Mr. Ivo Sanader

WITH GEORGE BUSH
WITH GEORGE BUSH
TODAY IN JAIL IN AUSTRIA
TODAY IN JAIL IN AUSTRIA

Present Prime Minister, Ms.Jadranka Kosor, Assasin of Democracy

WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA, LAST YEAR
WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA, LAST YEAR
IN THE EYES OF HER OWN CITIZENS,
IN THE EYES OF HER OWN CITIZENS,

Some States Have Mafia, In Croatia Mafia Has The State

For us Croats was very hard to admit openly to the world that country is led by mafia, especially because we became independent country so recently - only 20 years ago, during that time we had war for 4 years when people thought they were fighting for independence, while actually they were fighting only because of one reason - that capital, that belonged to the state and to the people, could easily become transferred in the hands of mafia. Such changes more easily occur in the war then in peace, because while is war, nobody dares to control what politicians actually do. This is real reason of recent Balkan wars (former Yugoslavia), so many people died, just because capital needed to change it`s ownership. To sell capital of the state to private persons literally for coins , while so many people were dying and fighting among themselves and not knowing what was all about, is the worst war crime and should be treated as such.

In the middle of the war, some Croatian companies, worth of many millions of $ were sold to the private owners for price - that was less then 1 $US - yes, it was so disgusting. Whoever tried to stop that madness, was accused that was traitor of young Croatian state, what meant - big possibility to get bullet in the head, so people gradually shut up. New owners of capital were very rarely doing anything good to that capital - anyhow they usually did not have any clue how to continue with business, after they bought companies for coins, they transferred company money on their private accounts, sold all properties companies had, did not pay workers for many months and finally fired them. Our leading party HDZ (Croatian Democratic Union )organized and completely supported that criminal.

As a result of all that. today we have situation as we have - very much destroyed economy, we import almost everything (20 years ago we did not need to import many things, and exported so many products), 20% rate of unemployment, many poor and homeless people (what was not case before, neither is that situation product of war), we have lower GDP then ever in last 50 years and higher foreign dept then ever in known history

In the recent months many people opened the eyes to the fact that something is very rotten in our political milieu, especially since Croatian ex Prime Minister (Ivo Sanader) was recently arrested in Austria for his mafia business. Today the Prime Minister of the country is lady who was his closest associate, Ms Jadranka Kosor, and although she is allegedly fighting against corruption, (she sacrificed few members of government who are now in jail because of coruption), it is pretty clear that her anti-corruption measures are only fairy tale for the citizens. By our knowledge, the whole government and many parliament representatives can be prosecuted because of corruption and robbery, majority of their crimes are well known to the public, but state attorney does almost nothing, to investigate their crimes.

We can only be happy because our foreign dept (as far as we know) is much less then in majority of the states of this world, it is only 15.500 $ per citizen, so with urgent improval and self-investment in economy we can pay it off reasonably easily. But goal of our politicians is not sorting out economical problems of the country , that can be solved, with the help of tourism, agriculture, and further sensible investment in our industry, and lots of work, love and dedication from all of us and them - their goal is to create illusion that only joining EU can help us, while unfortunately this is not the case. EU is needed only to our politicians, who would get there extremely high, stable payments. They also hope that people will forget about crimes they did as the time pass by , while they plann to blame for their own incompetence and greediness EU laws. (we know all their tricks, lol) They are also familiar with the fact that EU usually doesn`t allow elections in the countries they have economical problems, so they hope that nobody would ever be able to remove them from their position. For all their crimes they even expect life-long reward. Cute, isn`t it?

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Croatian Mafia (Prime Minister @ few ministers)

 

They also never informed people that in EU only political elite benefits, that EU is already financially falling apart, many states want out while being destroyed economically by their own political elite, who does not allow them separation from EU. EU politicians artificially keep system together by any cost citizens need to pay : they come so far that they are now selling EU debts to the China, just to buy further few years and prolong suffering of many hungry millions in their own countries. If this incredible craziness continue, in the future, many EU states will be ruled by China. Croatia certainly never would want such option, to be ruled by China - for us is better to give our best to sort out our economy on our own. We are fed up of our own mafia, we don`t need neither EU mafia, nor Chinese mafia in our future.

Facebook "Revolution" and Evolution in Croatia

Our protests started on Facebook - people gathered there, expressed their deep dissatisfaction. First time only 3 people decided to protest, second time there was nearly 500. Government did not allow that protesters come to the Square of st. Marc in Zagreb, where the buildings of Parliament and Government are, stopped them with police forces, so this part of the town became "Forbidden Town of our political elite".

Third day of protests, when there was more then 15.000 people peacefully protesting on the streets of capital of Croatia, out of the blue sky came group of young, angry, aggressive guys that cause clash of protesters with police forces who were blocking passages to the "Forbidden Town". As a result , police attacked protesters and many were injured and arrested. Government said that all protesters are hooligans and anarchists, while only small group was causing troubles .

My intelligent people decided immediately to change tactics and style of protests: they decided to go on the streets with peace and love only - for our country, for our citizens, even for police forces. Of course, people are not so naive to send love and politeness to our corrupted and incompetent government - paroles people shout and , transparent they carry - show what we really think about them. People clearly "call them names they deserve", among them are mafia, thieves, villains, criminals, offenders, traitors etc. Juicy swearing is also typical. Our politicians now complain that people do not have culture of non-rude protests, but swearing is certainly more polite then Molotov cocktails some other protesters around the world use, I hope political elite will be able to respect this fact.

At this moment, protests are completely non-violent, and we will all try to avoid violence as long as possible. I am proud because of incredible level of self-control Croats express in the protests - although we were robbed, humiliated, cheated and betrayed from politicians who we pay, and certainly we are very angry because of that, people managed to transform their anger into more dignified way of demanding government to resign, at least for now.

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Ordinary People In Protests

Child carrying transparent: MY GRANDMA AND ME ARE SUPPORT TO THE PROTESTERS: LONG LIVE CROATIA
Child carrying transparent: MY GRANDMA AND ME ARE SUPPORT TO THE PROTESTERS: LONG LIVE CROATIA
OLD LADY LEADING THE PROTESTERS IN THE FRONT OF CROATIAN FLAG : THIS WOMAN WOULD STARVE WITHOUT OF SUPPORT OF HER SISTER, altough very old she is active in all protests.
OLD LADY LEADING THE PROTESTERS IN THE FRONT OF CROATIAN FLAG : THIS WOMAN WOULD STARVE WITHOUT OF SUPPORT OF HER SISTER, altough very old she is active in all protests.

Inspirational Protests

Croats have also decided to make entertaining and active protests for themselves and police, since to us became forbidden to protest in the front of buildings they belong to the Parliament and Government, people decided to walk around the towns of Croatia, stopping in the front of relevant buildings as:

  • those ones, they belong to various political parties, (especially where resides leading one, HDZ party),
  • various institutions which work for government,
  • various non-governmental institutions that need wake up call
  • people even started to "visit" places were our Prime minister and governmental representatives live, so they shout below their windows all what they want to tell them.

Untouchable are not so untouchable as they think they are.

Some people also get dressed as American Indians, because minister of police called protesters American Indians, most probably wanting to say that he is brave cowboy. Well, because we cannot see our Minister of police as Wyatt Erp or sheriff Mc Cloud, we started to have fun from his comment and irritate him by using out-feet of Native Americans, drums, typical Appachi calls and avatars of Indians on Facebook (that is regularly watched by police).

During the average protest in capital city - Zagreb, protesters march 6-7 miles around the town, and all of them tell that never felt so good, and honestly, for last 20 years I did not see so many smiles and shining eyes I can see now. Protests returned people the hope for the future, although we know it won`t be easy - but our politicians completely denied us any future, if situation doesn`t change, in 20 years, with their leadership, we could all be homeless, without land and eating from garbage containers. This is peacefull battle for pure life, not only for freedom: we realized that it is - them or us .

Today, surveys say, that 70% of Croats supports the anti-governmental protests, but so many are still too frightened to get involved personally - since protests begun our country is very much becoming police state, but it is good sign though - government finally realized that there are many reasons they need to be afraid of their own citizens.

Protesters are arrested often, even if they don`t brake any law - and from recently, police in capital city got orders to beat and injure peaceful protesters. The most sad was the moment when police beaten and arrested 2 completely peaceful gays, our war veterans, (brothers Krcmarek) who wanted to pray in the church of the st Marc, were they were baptised, .which is on "Forbidden Square" (police knew they were active in protests)

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It Is Enough - Government To The Jail

FLOWERS FOR GIRLS IN THE PROTESTS . This guy, Ivan Pernar started the protests. Up till know, in last 2 months,  he was 14 times arrested.
FLOWERS FOR GIRLS IN THE PROTESTS . This guy, Ivan Pernar started the protests. Up till know, in last 2 months, he was 14 times arrested.
Clear Message To Our Prime Minister
Clear Message To Our Prime Minister
CANDELS FOR OUR DESTROYED FABRICS
CANDELS FOR OUR DESTROYED FABRICS

Parties On The Roman Column Of Shame

Constitution of Croatia

II BASIC PROVISIONS

1.The Republic of Croatia is a unitary and indivisible democratic and social state. Power in the Republic of Croatia is derived from the people and belongs to the people as a community of free and equal citizens. The people shall exercise this power through the election of representatives and through direct decision-making.

2.The Croatian Parliament and people shall directly, independently  decide:

  • on the regulation of economic, legal and political relations in the Republic of Croatia;
  • on the preservation of natural and cultural wealth and its utilization;
  • on association in alliances with other states.


 

Direct Democracy

Democracy is not a state in which people act like sheep.

Democracy is an impossible thing until the power is shared by all.

Mahatma Gandhi

In the town of Zadar, protesters put on the ancient Roman column of shame names of 5 most corrupted political parties in Croatia, leading ones and opposition. People here become aware that political oligarchy that rules the country is the main problem - big political parties have no interest in solving any economical problem of country and citizens - they are interested only in circumvention and arguing among themselves, in squeezing money out from the pockets of citizens, destroying economy of the country, and bringing citizens into dept the citizens did not want and are not responsible for but have to pay them back (foreign credits).

People are here more and more aware that we pay our politicians, and not the vice versa, so their duty is to work for us, not against us..

We came to conclusion, that we don`t want to have political destiny of USA, where people for many decades vote either for democrats or for republicans (our two leading parties are very similar to that), these two different ideological concepts are created just to divide people, and cause them to take sites, argue among themselves, while political elite (financed by big business) is only one that profits in this game.

In addition, Constitution of Croatia gives people right not only for representative democracy, we have right and duty for direct democracy as well, as most basic principle of democracy in making all decision what are of main importance for future of the country, what our government is trying to deny and pretending that this right does not exist. Whatever people think that democracy is, it certainly does not mean to go once in 4 years on elections and vote for some more or less corrupt or incompetent politicians as representatives in Parliament, who later chose government, and then next 4 years we can only pray that they will not do too much harm and will not create even bigger foreign debt. This is slavery, not democracy.

Our Constitution gives right and duty to express our political will directly as well - through referendums, through controlling what various governmental institutions do in our name - all of that was denied to us.

Last 20 years, we haven`t been  asked to express our right for direct democracy, except through elections and could chose only mafia to rule over the country. We did not have almost any referendums, that we are supposed to have : e.g. Croatian Constitution had been changed 4-5 times and nobody asked us citizens if we agree or disagree with changes, with excuse that "referendums are too expensive". Our constitutional right and duty is to approve or disapprove constitutional changes through referendum, what was not given to us.

Protests In The City Of Zadar

Me - Protesting

When the State becomes corrupt, civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty.

Democracy is not a state in which people act like sheep.

Democracy is an impossible thing until the power is shared by all.          Mahatma Gandhi

Very Inspirational And Beautiful Video of Protests With Great Music

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I cannot describe you with words how many light brought this protests and civil disobedience in life of the people and in my own life as well. After 20 years of political darkness, despite all possible obstacles there is hope for Croatia and Croats again. Power of ordinary people who are passing through their own evolution while requesting positive change is pure energy of life and love. We are not politicians, we are amateurs in cruel world of injustice and corruption, we are not supported by any oppositional party - our protests are pure will of citizens - left and right, young and old united. Let this will prevail.

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Thank you Facebook
Thank you Facebook
Protesters with masks of polititians
Protesters with masks of polititians

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Mentalist acer 5 years ago from A Voice in your Mind!

This is an important hub Tatjana and will share it.;)


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someonewhoknows 5 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

I wasen't aware Croatcia was in such a sad situation.

Your minister of Agriculture certainly isn't starving.In fact He looks like he needs to lose weight if anything.

I'm Afraid Americans are losing their freedom as time goes by as well.It,may not be as bad as Croatica yet,but little by little the people who have the least are losing even what they have.The middleclass has been increasing becoming the poor.Those who run the government are afraid of the middleclass.Only the rich and the poor will be left if things don't change for the better soon.

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Majadez 5 years ago from Johannesburg, South Africa

Wow, I had no idea that things were like this! Thanks for sharing.

I left Croatia in October last year, but haven't been to Zagreb since 2009. I saw references to the protest online and on Vecernji.hr but didn't know what they were about nor what was going on really.

Unfortunately,corrupt governments are a disease that plagues are world today. It's just that some are more corrupt than others so we are aware of this.

You want the government to resign, but tell me, who would take over then? Who would lead the country to the new light?

Pozdrav,

Maja


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VioletSun 5 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

This hub made my eyes wet, especially when I saw your photo protesting, (good for you!) as it takes a few powerful, misguided, corrupt humans in the world's governments to mess up the quality of the lives of the world's citizens, they even affect our planet's vibration in general. As your readers have commented, I too, didn't know this was going on in Croatia.

Very informative hub!

Voted up!


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HealthyHanna 5 years ago from Utah

Thank you for this very informative hub. I have never heard of Croatia. From your hubs, it sounds like a beautiful, wonderful place to live. I truly hope Croatia can find a better life peacefully.


Alison Elliot 5 years ago

Are you familiar with Braco in Zagreb? I spent 3 days Gazing With Braco here in America and the energy is transforative. He is in Zagreb at his center at Srebrnjak 1 now. Doing a gazing session would be wonderful energy with which to fuel your mission for freedom. Cheers to you all for your courage and your strength, we are with you in spirit.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Mentalist Acer, your help is very much appreciated.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Unfortunatelly, all our ministers are corrupted and highly incompetent and stupid people, we can be only deeply ashamed of them. Thank you so much for your comment, Someonewhoknows, I know that in America things are not well any more, I wish all Americans all the best.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Pozdrav Maja, dapace puno pozdrava, mi nemamo vladu, mi imamo grupu pohlepnih idiota na vlasti koji ne rade u korist gradjana nego protiv gradjana. Sad je situacija u Hrvatskoj takva da ako se ovako nastavi, svi mi imamo pred sobom samo jedan izbor - a to je kopanje po kontejnerima u buducnosti. Penzioni fond vec odavno ne postoji. U Hrvatskoj postoje daleko kompetentiji ljudi, strucnjaci i politicari, od ove mafije koja je na vlasti a iznad njih postoji i nase sveto pravo na direktnu demokraciju gradjana. Po Ustavu, gradjani moraju sudjelovati u izgradnji svoje zemlje, imaju duznost izrazavati svoju politicku volju, a ne ponasati se poput jadnih ovaca koje ?eka spavanje pod mostom i kopanje po smecu pod stare dane. Nisu samo politicari oni koji bi trebali voditi narod, nego i narod treba znati kud zeli ici. Zato i prosvjedi tako dugo traju, da se vidi tko sto nudi narodu i koji politicari su voljni slusati bilo naroda i dati im njihovo ustavno pravo na samoodlucivanje. Za takve ce, bar dio ljudi glasovati. Naravno, sve je to proces, ovo budjenje ce potrajati, cak i kad ovi odu s vlasti.

Puno lijepih pozdrava iz silovane Hrvatske koja pripada Hrvatima manje nego ikad u zadnjih nekoliko desetljeca. (English translation in the next comment)


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Hi Maja, we don`t have government, we have group of greedy idiots who rule this country and who don`t work for citizens but against them. Now is situation in Croatia such, that if this nightmare continues, at least 3 millions of people will have only one choice for the future - and that is garbage containers in our old age and sleeping under the bridges. Found for retirement doesn`t exist any more (pensions are paid through foreign credits). We do have competent experts and some polititians which could be more effective that mafia which is ruling the country but above them we also have our sacred right for direct democracy. According to our Constitution, citizens should be active in building the future of our contry and making desicions, and not to behave like sheeps, waiting that "somebody else leads them". That is the reason why protests need to continue for so long, so people can gradually wake up, and also we can chose the polititians who are ready to approve to the citizens their constitutional rights for direct democracy. Changing this system will not be quick and easy, new Croatian Springtime will not finish so soon. Many nice regards from raped Croatia...


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Craig Suits 5 years ago from Florida

Wow!...Heavy stuff...I too had no idea things are like you say in Croatia. Almost sounds like the US government. Watch your butt little girl. Guys like that don't fool around.

Once again you astound me. You sound like you know as much about politics as you do about the dozens of other subjects you write about. And your out there giving speeches as well.You probably don't even realize it but you are one in a million. Ever think of running for president of Croatia? Why not? There's not much else you haven't already done, seen, or learned about.

Hey! Read this hub again and tell me you wouldn't be perfect for a permenant seat on the United nations. Everything you said above is right on the money. Humanity needs you desperatly.

I don't know if you saw it or not but I published a hub about you and an English girl called MOW. I wish I would have known you were a political activist as well. Go here:

http://hubpages.com/community/Meet-Two-Exceptional...

What can I say...I'm speechless, and you young lady are, once again, one in a million.

Take care of yourself and be careful. You get in front of a microphone you'll be playing with the big boys...


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neeleshkulkarni 5 years ago from new delhi

the whole world is going though the same situation TM.we in

India did the same to bring in a new law that would punish the tax dodgers who had spirited away moneys equal to the entire budget of the country for a year.

but you know the down side TM most cases our honest protest may bring doewn governements but mostly the system strikes back and another set of exploiters take the place of the first one.However that we protest can act as control on the extent to which they rape and rob us.

more strenght to your elbow.our paryers from the land of

Gandhi are with you.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Mary for your kind support. Last few months I have wet eyes almost every day when I see how politics is worsening here, and how many people already suffer and I am very aware that much more will be suffering if things don`t change. So we need to change our ways. Some things protests already changed on better. Love and hugs to you and Phill.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Healthy Hanna for your kind support and nice comment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Alison for your spiritual support. I am familiar with Braco`s work. Part of protesters (me as well) also meditate so we already use spiritual energy to give us strength and courage to continue. Love and blessings.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Craig for your compliments, I am amazed with your Hub...thank you for showing me so much appreciation I am deeply grateful. MOW is extraordinary lady and for me can be only big complimet to be in her company.

Only "small" ordinary people can change this world, majority of big guys have proven that they can only mess up everything, but this happened only because majority of people on this world allowed them to do that. At this moment I am just ordinary citizen who believe that people have right on direct democracy, like is stated in our Constitution, and not allow mafia to kill us all on one way or another. We have saying "it is better grave then to be slave", but up till now, I did not have any problems with anyone, only support, because I don`t live in capital city any more, here where I live is situation much better ....I try to be careful as much as possible... Thank you so much, we will se what time will bring. A lots of hugs....


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Neehlskuharni, my blessings and prayers to India, land of Mahatma Gandhi who certainly inspired us. Ups and downs are normal, mafia is very strong in this world but we should never give up and surrender, at least we can here write about good ideas, for others to inspire them. In Croatia is maybe a bit easier to sort out our problems then in India, because there is only 4,5 millions of Croats, we are small country... We are united in spirit with all protesters against tirany on this world. A lots of good wishes and thank you so much.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Happy Easter to all!


sinisa_sina 5 years ago

Verywell my neighbour. Spread the words. Don't let them take us and our countries to hell. We deserve bether and we will get it. We elect them, we will take them down.

Happy eastern.

Sinisa from R.S Bosnia and Herzegovina


Fay Paxton 5 years ago

Thanks for this informative hub. I hope it is widely read. So many of us take so much for granted. Your hub serves as a wake-up call.

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nextstopjupiter 5 years ago from here, there and everywhere

Egypt, Wisconsin, Croatia ..., the world is changing. Thank you Tatjana, for sharing these informations.


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quicksand 5 years ago

Hi Tanja, I am sure your people will soon get what they are striving for. That has been the trend recently. Cheers and good luck!


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Sinisa, all the best and a lots of love to the people in Bosnia and Hercegovina. Hvala Sinisa, ne dajmo se ! Svi na ulice ! Sve sto su napravili je - totalna prevara.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Fay Paxton, your support is higly appreciated.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much, Nextofjupiter, the world really needs to change- step by step..


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Majadez 5 years ago from Johannesburg, South Africa

Hi Tatjana.

I actually did see for a long time that Croatia's political scene is catostrophic to say the least. I was there when the car bombings and killings started in Zagreb in 2008/2009 but I never thought that people would actually take a stand against it. It seemed to me like the Croatian public was doomed to silence. There was also another incidenct in 2004, I don't know if you remember, when a school child attached and beat and old man on a tram in Zagreb and nobody stood up or did anything to stop it. Shootings happened in broad daylight with "no witnesses" so I was skeptical as to the country's future.

The problem is it's easy to be a sheep and follow the pack. For the better,that's what's happening with the protests too. It took a mighty leap for the first few people to start the cause, and as more joined in, it became easier and easier for the rest. You say 70% of people agree but many of them are afraid to join.That's that comfort factor again - it's so much easier to hold a belief and an opinion inside yourself but people are afraid to be judged and persecuted for voicing it.

I'm proud that people like you exist. It ignites a new consciousness in people and gets them thinking and reacting to those thoughts. People who choose not to take the easy road that's crouded with sheep. I wrote a poem about this sometime ago:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Its-So-Easy

You've just given me some ideas on how to expand on it in future. ;)

Moramo cuvati nasu prelijepu hrvatsku! (We need to protect our beautiful Croatia!)

Sretno i dalje nam pisi o dogadjajima. (Good luck and continue writing to us on events)

Pozdrav (Regards),

Maja


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Hehe, Quicksand, unfortunatelly, this is not possible to solve quickly, but we will give our best, for sure. Thank you for your positive energy and nice wishes.


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Hello, hello, 5 years ago from London, UK

I am sorry to read about your beautiful country's struggle. I think we would be all better off if we wouldn't have a government in any country, All they do, they rob us.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Maja, you cannot be more right.

There is also one important factor - people have been brainwashed on very cunnig ways for decades... in addition, we are not a nation used to protest, so these protest are real miracle.

Thank you again for nice wishes, I know you will be with us in the spirit. Puno lijepih pozdrava i puno hvala.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much, Hello Hello.... direct democracy is certainly the key, how people can control their polititians... Thank you for your support.


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sinclair89 5 years ago

Wow, I simply had no idea this was going on. And I conisder myself informed! Thanks for creating this excellent and informative hub.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Sinclair, for your comment and compliment.


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De Greek 5 years ago from UK

I am watching news of Groatia on TV and I cannot believe the scale of the problem. Good luck...


josepth.k 5 years ago

First of all croats winge to much. The old generation of croats are good hard working people - there are always exceptions. A large amount move- the 50s,60s left yugo occupation to aus,U.S lot retire back home.Alot work in austria/germany new young generation after the war that immigrated are crap we never hire them.

Please reamber in impearlist country or washington goverment the U.S debtor and its satalite countries britain and aus steal oil,own banks contro e.u -ect WE must reamber in the multicultural U.S/Aus most people are doing it tougth to -they don't have 82%(no credit) house ownership like croatia. Instead most are high paid,paying expensive life style,house car on credit and work 50 hours and watching the 10% super rich like in croatia super rich.

So the average croatian dose not work as hard ( not buy choice) lives with there parents in solid 3 floor concreate house, eats good quailty non process food- goes to cafe to winge everyday and eat the former yugo calorie consumption is no 7 in the world

.So croatia is still force by e.u-washington goverment to take in immigrants from non europe. croatia still has pension not super like in U.S/Aus free healthcare - dam good to my 70 year old cousin had lung, kidney transplant in croatia and only had small chance to survive - not like in aus 6 years - my 25year old friend was waiting for kidney transplant.

So croatia dose not have the fair socialist system it once had now its known as lebanon of europe. Howvevre you forget to say all goverments are corrupt. The worst thing for europe is not greece but libya- 1.5 millon foreign workers lost their job, including 1600 high paid workers from croatia and the loss of cheap gas not to mention the buffer zone for immigrants entering greece and italy. Just beacusse libya had independent goverment and was creating wealth turning a backward place into 100% illiteracy.

So i immigrate to australia alone with my wife in 1966 i left behind 6 sisters 4 brothers. We work 60 hours a week in crap job that the british/aus did not like. We brought cheap prperty as Aus was empty and became small developers. My 6 sisters and 4 brothers remain in croatia slowly built large houses from the commie factory and work sometimes in germany. Was i better off not that much - but i was lucky to come in the 60s when it was cheap for the newer immigrants its tougth. Of course now i spend most of my time in croatia as im semi retired. I tell you what its dam hard to find labour to build or do or work. My family in croatia are more happy lucky my 2 kids married croatians and our luck in property development has allowed us to go back home.


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Hi Tatjana - a good and brave hub. These protests have had very little world coverage, probably because the Arab Spring is deemed more newsworthy. Well done for spreading the word :)


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livelonger 5 years ago from San Francisco

I remember a few years ago one of my (Croatian) uncles telling me that now only 50 families control all of Croatia's economy. Another uncle said, are you crazy? That's nonsense. Only *45* families control the whole country. It seems Croatia is beset with the same problem of a tiny minority of fabulously wealthy people exerting too much control on the government as just about every other country on the planet. Hence the protests! Good luck to the protestors (if they are indeed continuing), and thank you for bringing this to light on HubPages, T-M. Hvala Ti najljepsa!


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Craig Suits 5 years ago from Florida

Hiya Lady.

Where the hell you been? A dumb question considering all that is happening over there and knowing you and what you've probably been doing. We've been very worried about you his last year and Hubpages certainly hasn't been the same without you.

As usual, you've outdone yourself with this hub, well done.

As Paraglider says above, there has been no coverage in the New York area of your countries plight. At least none that I've seen. We might be able to do a lot to help your cause over here starting with the power of the internet which might bring our government to get envolved.

Give it a little thought and let me know what, if anything you would like to see done. I have a keyboard and 24/7 if you need it. We might even get something going with all the Hubbers. Writing to congressmen, senitors, and even the president is as easy as sending a birthday card to a 6 year old.

Looks like your going to need all the help you can get from world opinion and outside political clout.

Your country has been through hell already. The last thing you need is to go through it again. Especially, a hell that puts our beloved Tatjana's ass on the line. Tell me what you would like to see us do over here and I'll see to it, it gets done.

Love your new Hubpages pic. Pretty spiffy!

Not much has changed here. Got a new book being published now and another on the way. Hopefully, the second one, a science fiction thriller will make it to the big screen. I met a 24 year old Hubber/Anthropologist/Historian, by the name of Lilith Eden and we've been working together on these books for months now. I wrote you about her a long time ago. She has a few medical issues I would like to hire you to help her with if you can and have the time. I'm pretty sure you could help her. I've already told her all about you. She's a brillient young lady like yourself but only 25 now and not a hell of a lot of worldly experience.

Today is Thanksgiving over here and I don't mind telling you I'm VERY thankful your still alright.

Let me know what we can do to help and it WILL be done. That's what the USA and it's people are all about.

By the way, I took your advice and finally got to see Avatar. Wow! A great great movie.

Seeya and be careful....


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Craig Suits 5 years ago from Florida

Good grief, must be getting old.

I thought this was a new hub but it's one I already commented on a long time ago. I wondered why you had so many comments already.

So now you got me worried all over again.

If you should read this, Let us know if your alright will ya. It's been a long time and we know your not playing with boyscouts overthere.Those kinds of people aren't unique to Croatia

BE CAREFUL!


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snakeslane 4 years ago from Canada

My thoughts are with you tatjana, I hope you are safe. Regards, snakeslane


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Reality Bytes 4 years ago from Freeman On The Land United States of America.

You have my full support. If there is anything I can do from the U.S. please let me know.


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IntroduceCroatia 4 years ago from Croatia

What you're saying Tatjana is mainly right but the situation as you described is chaotic and in reality it's not like that and you know that. I don't defend the mafia of our government but you know that we have free choice of choosing president, prime minister and partys so it's really our choice and our decision of putting them on the places where they are now.


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Craig Suits 4 years ago from Florida

Tatjana is missing ever since she started protesting her government.

We need all your help finding her. Please visit:

http://hubpages.com/politics/tatjanamihaelawherear...

Learn what we're doing so far and join the effort. There are thousands of us here that would be very grateful


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VioletSun 4 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

Tatjana, I am holding you in a positive light and seeing you back with a smile at least to say "hi!", and give your friends peace of mind that you are safe and sound. It's not like you to disappear or not read emails for a year, reason why your friends are concerned about you.

We love you!

Anyone who wants to help click on Craig's link:

http://craig-suits.hubpages.com/hub/tatjanamihaela


jami l. pereira 4 years ago

Amzing Woman , in my payers for your safe return to hubland , ((HUGS))

Jami


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Craig Suits 4 years ago from Florida

In my "payers"? Jami Jami Jami... :-)


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lafamillia 3 years ago from Soutcentral Europe

Before reading all the comments, I want to say - as someone that is generation of 90's, aside of all comments here / as I've said I've not read them / You have stole the phrase: "Some States Have Mafia, In Croatia Mafia Has The State" ... That is the sentence or phrase of Dr. Zoran Djindjic - assassinated ex-prime minister of Serbia.


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lafamillia 3 years ago from Soutcentral Europe

Ok, I've read all comments. I knew the problems of the Croatian society, as I have the cable-TV :) RTL, HRT1 and 2 so I know what're you speaking of. Serbia have started real high-level anti-corruption campaign and Ministry of Justice has already started prosecuting some of the "untouchable" even for the EU member countries.

- It is good to see that your country is entering into EU, but my real question is - as we (as a country) follow Croatia on its way toward EU membership - do you have or feel the real benefit of getting into EU family?

- Me, as someone who was really skeptic about new Government in Serbia; after March elections; is surprised by the policy of new Government toward main, crucial, fundamental issues like: corruption on all levels, organized crime, and EU integrations.

Now, as you probably know- Serbia gained "green light" from the European Commision for opening accession-negotiations with EU in June and what surprised me is the small time period between gaining candidate status and negotiations with EU date.

- You know that formally, pre-accession negotiations that Croatia also went trough, is the only remaining "obsticle" on the path of joining EU after signing, SSP and SAP agreemens, gaining candidate status, and at least pre-access negotiations with EU- country can join after ratification and signature of all (at the time Serbia joins it will be 28 with Croatia) Governments of the EU.

I hope that EU brought youth, and educated people something good in compare of period of being far from the EU. (1995 - let's say)

With at most respect, and with true respect for your nation and people living there,

Boris Milanovic

P.S:

Sorry, but it is true that Serbian ex-prime minister ; sadly assassinated Dr. Zoran Djindjic - one of the greatest leaders and visionaries in the history of Eastern and South-Eastern Europe; phrase : "Everywhere is normal, that one country has its mafia. Only here, it's normal, that mafia has its own country." - Dr. Zoran Djindjic.


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James A Watkins 2 months ago from Chicago

Tatjana still missing?

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