Are American Banksters Headed For Prison??

Are American Banksters Headed For Prison??

America has been financially raped by a group of elite bankers. While the rest of the country suffers in a continuing economic downturn, these guys are laughing all the way to the bank.

To the average hard working American it seems very unfair. The big banks got billions of bail out money and the average American is on the hook to pay it all off.

What can we do about it?

For the last few months I have been listening to a group of patriots at www.freedomreigns.com. I am not a politically motivated individual, however I could not help but listen to what these people are saying. I will be honest, I do not totally understand what they are all about, but I am excited, because they want to get America back to the way the founding fathers envisioned it.

So, what is this group of patriots going to do?

According to Drake, their spokesman, every state has filed the legal paperwork that will give us back our freedom. I still do not really understand this part of the PLAN, however the gist of it is that we will be going back to the original constitution of the United States.

Also, all the banksters and politicians are going to be rounded up, given a fair trial and then probably end their days in the FEMA camps the elite had originally built for us. How will they do this? They plan to close the borders and then massive arrests will start with the help of the US military. It seems like a plot from a movie. How anyone could be making something like this up is beyond me. Who would have the time and energy to do that? Liens have already been placed on 12 federal banks. I will be honest, I do not really understand that, so perhaps someone with more knowledge than me will leave some comments to debunk or clarify this.

Basically the American people are going to stand up and say they will no longer pay a fraudulent national debt or any other fraudulent debt. And, they say this is going to happen worldwide with all the banks. The debts will simply be null and void. Can they really do this? Think about it, most of the money the banks lend out are nothing more than numbers on paper, based on nothing. Now the game is over, and hopefully the bankers will get what they deserve. The politicians who helped the banksters will get what they deserve too. Government will be a whole new thing with new people. It will be everyone's duty to get informed and vote. We can no longer sit on our butts and trust elected officials to run the country the way we want. With the internet this new kind of government for the people and by the people can be possible like never before.

What does this mean for you and me? According to Drake, the Freedom Reigns spokesman, it means we will be FREE as the founding fathers intended. You will not owe money to anyone because most debts are illegal and there is even going to be the introduction of zero point free energy which will have a huge impact around the world. ( Free energy was here years ago, but too many fat cats wanted to make money on the remaining oil reserves.) All of this is going to happen with no violence, but through totally LEGAL means. And, this is a worldwide event too, people all over the world are fed up with the banksters and what they have done to our financial system illegally for their own benefit.

Another good websites which explains this entire situation much better than I can is www.divinecosmos.com. There are also numerous audio interviews on youtube. Just go to the search at youtube and enter “drake freedom reigns” and that should take you to numerous clips, some a couple of hours long.

Is this all an elaborate hoax or is this real? I will be looking forward to your comments!

Is this a joke or are these people really serious?

Is this for real?

Is this a huge hoax?

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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

It's fictional. I wouldn't call it a hoax because it isn't a joke but it is fictional. It is an attempt to shake people out of their pacifistic set on their butts mentality in order to get them to at least imagine what could happen.

I'm sorry but it is a lost cause. I know lost causes. I have tried for 20 years to bring real science, real healing and real cures to the masses only to learn there is no one in medical industry or invested in the medical industry interested in any health improvement along if they cannot be patented. Even the most seemingly righteous organizations do not want to end suffering if it severely cripples the economy and any real healing or real science will.

Point being, money is power not righteousness. We the people are the pawns for the powerful and we will always be as long as people believe the president of the united states is the "evil doer" in charge and responsible for all wrong doings.

As long as people adhere or remain loyal to party politics the United States of American will ALWAYS be the Divided States of America. How's that sound, go from U.S.A to D.S.A? It rolls off the tongue equally well.

I harp on "belief" and if CNN or FOX chose to take your hub and run it as a story it would immediately be considered factual to half the country depending on which media did the report.

People are pawns because they allow the government to emotionally stir them into an irrational state of mind where the people can be easily manipulated. You get people fired up about "towel heads" and "terrorist" and they become blind to all other MORE important life changing issues.

Though it would be forever grand if the topic of this hub were real I'm sad to say it is only fiction but if someone could find a way to unite the people of the Divided States of American it could take place as reality.

Right now half the country spend 99% of their energy attacking Obama and the other half spends 99% of their energy trying to defend Obama and both halves are a ignorant as a box of rocks because Obama is ONE man who is at the mercy of the most wealthy people of the WORLD. It doesn't matter if a president is a republican or democrat, their head is on the chopping block and the AX wheeling people never change. The same people in charge of Obama will be in charge of the next republican and if he or she doesn't do as they are told they will not survive and I am not talking about being impeached.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures, thank you so much for your input. I think you are right about this. You are right about Obama too or any other president for that matter, they dance the to the tune of those with the wealth, and that is not the little guys like us.

I also agree with you in regards to medicine, there are cures out there for just about everything, but there is money to be made from illness and disease and too many people make too much money for that system to change.

In the end we live in a world of greed and thats sad.

It will be interesting to see what these patriots will do when nothing happens the way they say it will. Right away when they said they were going to arrest all these people...I thought....why would they make such an announcement public?

Once again thank you for taking the time to read the hub and comment on it. I appreciate it.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mag, I don't think the presidents dance to the tune of the wealth, I think they are simply hired, not elected to be the face of the wealth.

It may appear that they are elected but I suspect they are hired on their acting merits and personality alone. I suspect all candidates that get media attention are already qualified and fully informed as to their duties/role if they get hired and then they simply use the polls and media to see which candidate will be the best fit for public appearance.

Basically they want a person in office who half the country will love and the other half hate. That way the smoke screen is a complete success.

I often wonder who the first president was who no longer had any power. I wonder if it was Reagan who was an actor. At some point our presidents went from men of power to simply actors. I doubt Obama has ever decided a single issue.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello Again True Cures

I think you are onto something here. Just look at Obama, so cool,so polished, so good at reading his lines.

Now lets look at Sarah Palin, she did not do as well. Did you ever see her in an interview? Where is she now?

Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment....I appreciate it.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Right, being a president is a peace of cake as long as they do as they are told. Imagine never having to think again. Have everything written for you, have teleprompters to make sure you do not stumble. All you have to do is be a face.

Naturally a president is set for life because they not only have the money they have the title of the most powerful man in the world even if he or she has NO power.

It was or is unfortunate for Sarah Palin, she simply was not a proper fit for the puppeteers who run the presidency. Or maybe she wasn't enough of an actress. None the less, she would lose all power to if she became president.

By the way you wont see Jon over here. He likes to blame presidents, I suspect it is his business. A lot of people rely on blaming presidents.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Magnoliazz:

I am afraid this movenment is built more on wishful thinking than on reality. I appreciate the sentiment, but there is no way a corrupt government is going to allow such a movement to take hold.

Military personnel are hired thugs, so they go where the money, medals, and medical benefits are. The sole reason why the U.S. has a standing army is to stop movements like this from gaining traction. Do you think the U.S. government cared one bit about Bin Laden? No, and they never did. But, they do care about a country of 300 million fed-up voters taking things into their own hands.

I'm afraid it's but a hope and dream.

Best wishes, be well, and behave - C.J. Sledgehammer

P.S. Voted up and interesting.

P.S.S. It sure is good to see you writing again! :0)


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello Again True Cures!

I agree with you about blaming the president for everything. Its getting to be ridiculous. Its like we are back in grade school or something. People need to get a mature attitude. I think Obama went in with good intentions but the "powers that be" were too overwhelming for him to do what he really wanted to do.

Like you said...follow the money.

Thanks so much for stopping by, I appreciate your insight.

Hello There CJ!!

I think you are right about this, it just blows my mind that people would put so much time and effort into a huge hoax.

On the latest Freedom Reigns youtube video they were saying that perhaps Obama is going to get involved with this movement.

It just keeps getting stranger.

I am happy to be back again too. I missed you guys!


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Be careful, my dove, perhaps this website is a trojan horse planted by the government to see who supports the "Freedom Reigns" message. Each time you visit or comment, you leave your signature and they know how long you've been there.

Please remember those FEMA camps were built for a reason and it is not to hold corrupt politicians and the shadow government.

I am leaving this in God's hands, and if this filthy empire needs a good shaking and change of management, then so be it. I worry, however, that it's just going to be a bunch of half-baked Mormons who have been stockpiling food for a year.

From 1849-1929 the Mormons held fast to the "Oath of Vengeance" against the United States, and they were to teach this to their children to the third and fourth generations. They no longer practice this oath officially, but I know they still hold it close to their little heretical hearts and if given the chance will openly embrace it once again (when the time is right).

Please look into the "Oath of Vengeance" and you may be able to link this "Freedom Reigns" group to them. If Romney takes over, it will be a huge win for Mormonism the world over and for Free Masons as well - Mormonism is Freemasonry set to song and verse.

I will be leaving town for awhile, but please stay out of trouble, stay healthy, and stay close to the Almighty and His blessed Son. :0)

May the God of Peace wrap His loving arms around you like a warm blanket - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mag, you are missing my point. Obama went in with no intentions. The next president will go in without any intentions other than the pay and the status. He doesn't have to work for the pay other than honing his acting skills.

Really does anyone really believe that the next four years isn't already completely mapped out??????????

The computer we will be using 8 years from now is already designed. We have a president for the purpose of rounded marketing and for achieving the desired marketing we need to divide the country into groups so one group can appear to be threatened and coerced by the other in order to get the desired effect and rounded marketing.

It just doesn't matter who is elected. The president is designed to be a distraction NOTHING more. Everything the media shares about politics is designed to distract.

Look at C.J's posts, perfect examples. Though C.J's intentions may be honorable and passionate, they are not productive. C.J has taken a worldly stance instead of Christ like stance. Biblically speaking C.J shouldn't have a care in the world and shouldn't even know that Mit Romney even exist. Real Christians do not vote, they render unto Caesar what is Caesar's but they do not vote for Caesar. Our government is a result and has always been a result of capitalism. Capitalism and God and Christ do not go together.

As long as we vote we will not have freedom.

By the way, American has never ever been more armed so there is no chance of the US military attacking the people or bearing arms against us. That's just a perfect example of marketing propaganda.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e...

This South Park episode holds more truth than any Fox or CNN special.

We have democrats and republicans so we can appear to be for war and against war, so we can be for oil and against oil. Democrats pitted against republicans allows our government to control ALL supply and demand.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Cures:

You said:

"Biblically speaking C.J shouldn't have a care in the world and shouldn't even know that Mit Romney even exist. Real Christians do not vote, they render unto Caesar what is Caesar's but they do not vote for Caesar."

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I appreciate your empassioned response, TC, but please remember that the Almighty told his people that they suffer because they elect bad officials.

I am a true and legit Christian, and yes, I do know who certain world leaders are and who pretends to be running for president, congress, senate, etc. And, I have a sneaky suspicion that you do, too.

Being a true Christian does not mean that I must bury my head in the sand...I also must live here and it would be foolish to turn a blind eye to all that moves.

If Christ lived like you say Christians should, then why would He care about throwing the money changers out of the Temple? When Christ said "give unto Caesar what is Caesars", He violated your code because to say this would mean that He would have to know who Caesar is and what belongs to Caesar. Do you see my point?

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, TC, but I think you are plagued by a slight case of myopia and may be infatuated with your own opinion. There are some great minds out there...why don't you calm yourself down enough to hear what they have to say?

Best wishes, behave, and be well - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I've seen great minds that invent but I have never seen a great mind in regards to wisdom.

If I had ever read any biblical scripture about Christians voting I might be tempted to agree with you but as far as I can tell all bad trees produces bad fruit, we are to be in the world but not of the world, there will be wars and rumors of war, but we are not to be troubled by them, it will be easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man in heaven, the love of money is the root of all evil, man cannot serve two masters, he will hate the one and love the other.

I do not doubt your Christian intentions but you do not have the ability to discern the truth, probably because you are too caught up in trying to save the world that you are commanded to flee. I do not say this to insult you, just giving you the chance to set a better example and maybe restore my faith in Christianity. I have yet to meet a real Christian because I have yet to meet a person who can discern the truth.

Now, if the bible didn't stress about how far off the path His people would get I would retract my statement but the only reason I still cling to the possibility that the bible and Christ may be real and true is because the fact that in the end days there will be only a small handful of real Christians. I do not claim to be one of them but I do claim to be in line with real Christian beliefs.

I have the ability to cure any disease just like a real Christian should. I have this ability because I have the ability to discern the truth and I long ago turned the mammon tables over.

The problem with having the truth is that nobody wants it. They would rather wallow in "belief" instead of set solid in Truth and Light. If the bible is true God is the Truth and the Light not political and religious propaganda designed to create contention and conflict to the end result of profit and gain.

I don't doubt your intentions, you and are on different paths. I was on your path but found it to be a waste of my time so I moved on. I don't expect anything righteous or even good from any government and I don't expect things to get better at all unless their is a second coming of Christ.

Real Christians do not vote for trees that produce any bad fruit or partake in the things of this world so therefore real Christians do not vote. It's really that simple.

And I am as calm and matter of fact as humanly possible. If you knew medical science was worldly and not of God you too would be calm and matter of fact. You to would be able to skip the poles. You too would not be troubled by war and rumors of war as the bible commands.

I hope this helps you, it should.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

TC:

I have enjoyed many things you have said, and even agree with a few, but I still think you are hyper exuberant when it comes to your own opinion. You come across as having cornered the market on truth, which means you are either heaven-sent or delusional. I have met very few people that I would call "heaven-sent", but the world is filled with the dulusional.

Having said all that, yes, I probably should not take such an interest in politics, but not because the Lord said we should or shouldn't, but because, like you, I do not believe we vote for anything. I believe those at the congressional, senatorial, and presidential levels are appointed by super wealthy families and secret societies behind the scenes.

As far as Christians voting in elections, I just don't see where we have been commanded not to. I do think that for anyone who shows an unhealthy preoccupation with any subject matter, they should tone things down and read Philippians 4:7-8. I believe we all should live with eternity in mind, but I also think it would be counter-productive to ignore everything in this life.

I think the Lord would want us to do all things in moderation and not swing too far over one way or the other, but keep His commandments and Will above all else. In this regard, I think you are being hyper-vigilent, David, and either lack a true understanding of Christianity or you are out to push your own agenda.

On one hand, I am open to what you are saying, and have listened to your ideas, but then you go off half-cocked and start making judgment calls without consulting with the truth in regards to Christian living. Perhaps I should just consider you a know-it-all and erase you from memory, or perhaps I should take everything you say with a grain of salt and just realize you don't know any more than the rest of us, but come across as you do.

I would prefer that we did not clash at this juncture, but I also know you need to back-track a bit and rethink some of your assertions. I have not seen any evidence from the Bible, whereby I would be compelled to change my tone or tune.

I wish you the best, but hope for more - C.J. Sledgehammer


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

CJ You are one awesome Christian man, and I am honored to know you.

True Cures, I think you should be more respectful towards CJ. Thank you


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

CJ ,,,thanks for the warning regarding Freedom Reigns. I went to their website maybe 6 times, and I never left a comment. However, I did go to their youtube channel often to listen to their radio programs.

As each day passes and nothing is happening like they say it will, I am beginning to think it is nothing more than an elaborate hoax. A lot of things they say do not make sense to me, such as going public with the news that they are going to arrest all these bankers. Would it not be a better idea to keep that quiet so these people did not flee before they were arrested? Especially if they are wealthy and have the means and money to easily leave the country.

Anyhow thank you so much for the warning, I will be more careful in the future.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Thank you for your kind words, Magnoliazz, and please know that I would do everything in my power to protect you from harm.

I think you are right, my dove. If one were to launch a raid on all the corrupt politicians and bansters one would be foolish to broadcast their plans and intentions to the world. This leads me to believe that this group is really not all that serious but may want to gain some kind of membership or political advantage of one sort or another.

Please keep in touch and keep looking up.

May God bless you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ,

I don't have an opinion. You consider my words opinions because they do not fit in with your beliefs, beliefs being very close to opinions. I quoted the bible not myself.

I can cure any man of any disease, that doesn't make me heaven sent. However because of the WORLD the bible commands it's followers to flee would have society believe that society is impotent against disease many might consider me heaven sent though it is not the case.

I simply learned that the world is false and all powers of the world are wolves in sheep's clothing.

None of this is my opinion. You know the parable of the fruit trees as well as I do and you know what it means. Now if you consider that parable an opinion I'm sure it is possible that Christ would be pleased that we vote. However if you believe any of the bible quotes I quoted before than you know a REAL Christian cannot vote.

Mags I don't think I am showing lack of respect. I simply do not have the time to beat around the bush on things. If C.J is indeed a seeker of the truth he or she will rise above any pride and consequently rise above the ways of the world such as voting.

I'm in no way saying I am better than CJ, I'm simply quoting indisputable bible quotes that really help people to know what is of the world and what might be of God provided the bible is indeed true.

The bible says, (Not my opinion) that they "will have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear".

I personally feel C.J is about to make a huge step in his or her faith. He or she felt like Christians are expected to vote as a Christian duty but not because of any biblical scripture but because of worldly propaganda.

Adam and Eve, provided the bible is true had everything God had to offer man, everything after that is from man not God and could be debated through biblical scripture that it is all indeed of the world.

However ONE FACT remains, the TRUTH and the LIGHT is the worst thing that could ever happen to capitalism and the "world" we live in.

I will be happy to post all the scriptures that support this.

David Flowers

Payette Idaho


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

David:

Thank you for your response and I appreciate your passion, though I believe it is somewhat displaced. You and I are not as different as you may think, but you are stating things to be fact that have yet to be substantiated.

Now, I cannot reasonably believe you can heal every man, woman, and child on this planet as you claim...I seriously doubt any human can do that...sounds kinda prideful to me, and as you know, pride is of the devil. I say this because I never heard you giving God the glory, but kept it for yourself.

If I am wrong about this assertion, please forgive me, but I am also concerned that you claimed evolution as one of your areas of expertise. Now, I did not read your Hub regarding your evolutionary claims so I do not want to say more than I know, but from a superficial gander - it didn't jive with what I believe to be truth.

Please know that I am a man in every sense of the word. I have sired 3 children and have raised them on my own for the past 15 years. God means the world to me and He is involved in every decision I make and I never leave home without Him.

Having said that, if I believed for one second that the Almighty did not want me or any other believer to vote, I would be the first in line to stop the practice. As it is, I am neither a Republican or Democrat or an adherant to any other political party. I consider myself a citizen of Heaven, who is yet living on the earth.

Peace be with you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

When I speak of evolution I am speaking of evolution as in adaptation. Humans are the only animals incapable of adapting or evolving to their environment. The tiniest of pathogens destroy humans while all other life forms adapt to them and survive with little suffering. Some of the weaker animals die from a newly introduced pathogen but soon after the rest evolve and become superior to the pathogen without any ill effects of it. I would call that science but like today's Christianity, today's science isn't really science either. It is marketing.

The bottom line is animals adapt and evolve while humans do not. Because disease is pathogenic is all boils down to having immunity. Blaming disease on genetics is science fiction and marketing.

When I first learned that humans could have immunity like all of "Gods" creatures I gave all credit to "God" however after realizing that there was no chance of mainstream "Christianity" ever considering human immunity as a possibility I started question if "Christianity" has in "God" or "Christ" in it.

If I were to witness any "Christ" in Christianity I would tell you that God created man and He created us all with the same types of bodily systems and functions to provide us with sufficient immunity as He did with all His other life forms.

However for me to say that to a "Christian" church would get me labeled as practicing priest craft and though they do not burn people at the stake anymore it was clear they would have been happy to burn me at the stake.

So to give God full credit for creating humans with the capacity for immunity when the WORLD'S leading scientist say it is impossible is immediate grounds for dis-fellowship or burning at the stake.

And no I cannot cure every man, woman and child. That was a bit argumentative of you which I understand. If what I say is true you LIFE changes NOW and it will never be the same again and you may not be ready for that.

However, I can cure any man, woman or child who comes to me for help as long as they do not wait till the point of no return. I do not perform miracles. I cannot make a blind person see but I can take a person who is still in the process of going blind and cure them stopping them from going completely blind and in most cases improve their vision considerable.

If I see someone who still has his or her "God" given bodily systems and function working well enough to create an immune response I can cure them which could be 99% of the population because 100% of the population is sick with pathogens because they are devolving instead of evolving.

We can argue about this but it will do no good for either of us. I would give total credit to God if saw any evidence of God in any person I was speaking to. I suspect you could show me some evidence of God right here but for the most part I suspect the implications of what I am saying will be a heavy burden on you, a burden easily avoided by you adhering to today's worldly science fiction.

I do not want to discourage you from considering the possibility that God has created you with the full capacity for total immunity but I do not want to hold my breath and expect you to consider it after everything you have been taught suggest that humans are indeed inferior to a common gutter rat when it comes to adapting to disease.

I'm not arrogant or prideful I am simply straight to the point and I don't massage people egos. It comes off as arrogance and pride-fullness but it isn't. I'm 42 years old and I am desperate to find a person who believes more in God than worldly science and it takes all my time.

Try to imagine personally knowing that the human body has the capacity for immunity the same as a gutter rat or any other life form and then try to imagine sharing it with a world that does not want the knowledge or ability because of the worldly risk it would create.

Do I believe in God? I don't believe in the "God" of "Christian" religion, I believe in the Truth and the Light. I could believe in the bible if others believed in it but as far as I can tell there isn't a "Christian" out there that has the ability to discern the truth about their health and how "God" created them.

One of my favorite quotes author unknown is "they have taught you to use science to emancipate yourselves from God and how He created you." That is a fact not opinion. No one knows what they are personally capable off, all they know is what science gives the credit for being capable of. Immunity and evolution is not profitable.

Twenty two years I have tried to find ONE person interested in the facts, science, Truth and Light about the human immune system and our capacity for immunity, the same immunity the gutter rat enjoys today and I have failed.

The reason I still like the Bible is because it flat our tells me that I will stand alone. So when I look down on any religion I do so because of the utter lack of Truth and Light in the followers of that religion.

I am far from righteousness, but at least I am not afraid of the truth.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

David, I suspect we coud go on forever but that would be pointless. Having read your responses regarding me and the entire Christian church, I can say with complete confidence that you are not opposed to making assumptions that are unfounded or flat out misguided. If this is indeed how you handle your business, then I can see why you are still hard-pressed to gain any converts especially after 15 years of toil.

Among other things, you said:

"Do I believe in God? I don't believe in the "God" of "Christian" religion, I believe in the Truth and the Light."

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Well, to be quite honest, this statement does not sound any different than the statement of faith professed by Freemasons. I believe the bottom line is that you are pedaling your own truth and it is set apart from God's.

Another issue I have is that you questioned my faith in God because I have heard of Mitt Romney. You also stated that as a Christian I should not have a care in this world. If this is so, and according to you I should always have my head in the clouds, why then should I care so much about my physical health and longevity in a temporal and sinful world?

Best wishes to you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

You are right, I am pedaling my own truth. I discovered it. I even developed a means to effectively use it. It can't be patented and it can't be bottled. The fact that you referred to it as "business" is our obstacle.

Everything has to be "business". Nothing can be done for the sake of doing.

We can only go around and around and you will not be swayed because you believe me to be a liar and I cannot be swayed because I know what the human body is capable of doing. So around and around we go.

I will say this, truth is truth and the bible says "He is the Light and the Truth". If you were in tune or in line or on the right path with the Biblical God you would recognize the truth or at least be open to it.

You would have to make HUGE "business" sacrifices before you could even consider for a second that your "God" would create you with the capacity for full immunity. If you truly want to be real Christian you will have to wait till you are ready. Maybe you will have to be desperate or maybe something in your spiritual journey will align you up with some Truth. Right now you like where you are, you BELIEVE in who and where you are and that is clearly good enough for you. I'm not mocking you, some people are only ready for the milk, well most people are only ready for the milk. I know the bible says He makes allowances for people's different levels but I do think it also discusses what happens when a person specifically avoids the truth.

This is an example only but when the day comes and you are suffering from cancer and cannot walk with being weary or run without fainting and you begin to pray, one would have to wonder what the result would be when you have been told that you could be immune to cancer if you simply forsook the science of the world we are commanded to flee. I don't know if you have a right to skip the possible truth now and then ask Him to cure you later? I could be wrong but there sure are a lot of "believers" who are dying of cancer today who ask daily to be healed.

Anyway, about me for our final correspondence, I hate the world, the ways of the world. I do not love the things of this world and I stand alone. I do this first because the bible commands it and second because I know that the world is completely wrong. I suggest you read up on your scripture about being of the world because you to are commanded to "FLEE IT". I know you say that is "my" truth but it comes right from YOUR bible.

I don't wish you any ill will and I hope God will see it fit to allow a small seed to be planted from our discussion. I'm not trying to insult you and I don't care to be insulted. I'm just making it clear that you are created or designed to be immune to disease and you can do with it what you want.

Peace be with you. I'm sorry you do not like "my" truth.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Cures, a.k.a, David:

I honestly do not know what you are trying to achieve here. Magnoliazz was talking about the group "Freedom Reigns", but it seems you have hijacked her Hub for your own personal gain.

I think out of respect for Magnoliazz, we should try to stay focussed on her message.

I propose that if you have nothing left to say about this Hub, then you should consider writing about this in your own Hub and I will visit you there and we can carry on this discussion without bothering our gracious hostess. :0)

Another option is to post your comments on one of my Hubs and we can continue this exchange there. The only way I will continue this discussion here, is if Magnoliazz gives us her blessing.

Peace be with you - C.J. Sledgehammer


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arb 4 years ago from oregon

Out hub hopping and ran across this hub. Glad I did. Stirred up a little contention. It is held that we can not lose freedom without our own consent. That consent unfortunately, rises out of our silence. I applaude all attempts to wake us from our stupor, however, sometimes the wolves will come disguised as sheep, to feed from their own agenda. The vigilant mind must watch both the wolf and the sheep, lest he not know which is which until he is eaten.

Well writen! Sometimes contention is the reward for a job that needing doing.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

That's a big 10-4 CJ. However I am curious, do you know for certain Magnoliazz is a hostess? Maybe Magnoliazz is a gracious host?

I would be happy to carry on our discussion on one of your hubs but only if we are discussing and not debating. The deference in my opinion is a debate is to force people to believe a certain way right or wrong while a discussion is educational and the parties are open to having their "beliefs" changed.

And though our discussion has everything to do with this hub because once a person is capable of discerning the truth they will adopt my first comment. As I said, knowing the fact about science and immunity will change every "BELIEF" you and others have. That's the reason it is such a sacrifice to discuss with me instead of debate.

By the way, this topic would have died with my first comment, it was good that you and I buried it. Before my first comment this topic was wide open for debate but once the truth is reached debate is no longer an option. I leave very little to debate or even discuss on my hubs.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Cures:

You said, "Maybe Magnoliazz is a gracious host?"

If you are right, then that means I have been sweet on a gorgeous blonde guy for the past year?! No, I think not - Magnoliazz is an amazing lady through and through.

I will look forward to our next meeting, David.

Best wishes and be well - C.J. Sledgehammer


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Alan:

You made a really good point, but I expect nothing less coming from you. :0)

You said, "...sometimes the wolves will come disguised as sheep, to feed from their own agenda. The vigilant mind must watch both the wolf and the sheep, lest he not know which is which until he is eaten."

Indeed. Sometimes Satan appears as an angel of light. If this is so, then we can also expect his followers to don the cloak of righteousness. Ephesians 6:10-17

Be wishes, behave, and be well - C.J. Sledgehammer


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arb 4 years ago from oregon

Thanks CJ! He is like the compass always pointing true North. Any short cut, any alternate route any secret path must point first and always, true north.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

ARB, thanks for stopping by and commenting. I wonder about some of these groups too and wonder what it would be like it they really did manage to take over. I am not so sure it would be a good thing. They say that the banks will be closed down, they say get food, gas and cash to last for a while. LOL...now remember Katrina and then magnify that over the entire country. It would be such chaos that I doubt we would ever recover. There would be fighting in the streets and what good would that do? What good does violence ever come to in the end? We go to war and almost wipe out a country and then everything has to be rebuilt...never to be the same again.

My maiden name is the same as a little village outside of Dresden,Germany. After the Berlin wall came down our relatives contacted us. One of the first things they told us was about the destruction of Dresden during WW2. Such a waste over such stupidity, and that happened all over Europe, one beautiful town after another destroyed. All out of ego and stupidty and of course the massive loss of life for all those involved. In Germany they hate Hitler even more than we do.

I never want that to happen to the USA. Things would never be the same again.

These freedom groups have to work within the frame work of the law with very gradual change or there will be the most dire of consequences. Yes, we need change, but when you grab a tiger by the tail, what do you do next?

Your point was well taken. Thanks again for leaving a comment.

CJ, You flatter me! A man of your caliber and intelligence does not come along everyday. I appreciate your friendship. Thank you.

True Cures... You should write a book, you have a lot of interesting things to say. How come you always question people's gender? I always just accept people at face value, maybe its because of where I live. This is mostly Amish country and people are real conservative. If two guys moved into an old house and painted it pink, people would start to talk.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I wasn't really questioning your gender. I was making a what I considered a very important point. I think it was missed. I do question the profile photo and the point I wanted to make is that your profile picture could be an airbrushed model of someone you do not even know. There is now way for anyone to know for sure unless the person in your picture sees herself as your profile picture.

It could be that you are a drop dead gorgeous blond who raises goats and rescues small animals but I will never know for sure, just like we will never know the actual agenda of our government or the F.R group this hub is about.

We will never know the facts or what is going on behind closed doors, I know that as well as anyone. I also know a photo of a gorgeous blond makes for more popular hubs than a photo of an average looking woman or man.

I would write a book but who would I sell it too? Who would buy it? People want to be cured but they do not want to know that all people have the capacity for complete immunity. They do not want to know that everything they believe in is a charade.


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arb 4 years ago from oregon

Well, I would just say this, the sky has been falling, according to someone, somewhere since I was a boy. The easiest way to sell anything is to convince your audience of an impending doom, then they can sell you the remedy. There is much wrong with our country. Funny thing is, there is always something wrong with the country. Has been since its conception. Apathy is as detrimental as over reaction. Somewhere inbetween, lies a wonderful country. Not as perfect as some would hail and not as bad has some would sell. As a wild child of 60's, I've simply mellowed a little. Can't blame me though; I get up every morning and the damn sky is still hanging around. I don't want to throw water on anyones fire, I'm just tired of political parties, groups, teams, affliations and identification. They all set neighbor against neighbor and give rise to an unfolding of perpetual anger in America. I long for the civility of honest discourse that seeks resolution and not simply the destruction of an opposing team. I ramble so I will bow out and take my silly water with me.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I agree 100%. We are the Divided States of America pitting one against another for the sake of marketing. We are lead to believe that democrats are against guns which makes gun sales go through the roof so democrats are the best thing for those who own gun and ammo manufactures. The environmentalist democrats keep our price of gas high for the republicans.

It is all well planned out. What is it called, "Controlled Opposition"? Pretend to oppose something to manipulate the supply and demand.

It is my guess that big oil bank rolls the environmentalist groups and gun and ammo manufactures bank roll the anti gun groups. I could be wrong but one would have to admit the outcome is perfect for those who have the most to gain.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

I agree with you both. I just heard it said somewhere that every generation for the last 3000 years thought their's would be the last.

We hear a lot about the new world order and the evil elite and how they want to cull/kill off billions of us everyday average people.

Really?? All they would have to do is turn off the lights for a few days across the nation and there would be a whole lot less of us when the lights came back on again. Or just unleash one of those nasty little small pox viruses.

I really don't believe there is a new world order or that these wealthy people are plotting to kill us off, if they wanted to do that, it would have happened already. You don't have to have a major war to get rid of a lot of people.

Big business runs the world and they need us little people alive and well so we can buy their products.

LOL....True Cures...I am sure you will have something to say about that.

I think you make some excellent points in your last comment too. They make believe they hate each other, but behind closed doors they are the best of friends. Look at the Bush/clinton friendship, surprising. All the presidents are related too, I think through Charles the II or some English monarch.

Thanks both of you for leaving comments.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags,

Oh boy do I have stuff to say. First let me say I this is my opinion/belief because I have no way to prove it. I don't know if there is such a thing as a virus. What you and the other readers are not aware of is the FACT that there is no way for medicine or science to prove there is such a thing as a virus.

That's right EVERY stitch of virus research and information is 100% hypotheses. Blaming HIV for the millions of deaths in Africa is very convenient because it desensitizes people because people with AIDS are at least subconsciously considered sexual deviants and AIDS is a just consequence for their bad behavior, or so we are lead to believe through medical science fiction propaganda.

Mags, you said "We hear a lot about the new world order and the evil elite and how they want to cull/kill off billions of us everyday average people."

How many people die each day from diseases? Especially in third world countries where Americans and Brits hi-jack the most pristine lands for their own plantations?

I'm not saying that millions are not dying of a deadly disease in Africa, I'm saying they are dying because the OLD world power sees to it that humans remain ignorant about their health and that YOU all remain totally reliant on medical hypotheses also known as medical BEST GUESS.

The ONLY thing that gets a person diagnosed with AIDS instead of cancer is their back ground/history. A conservative preacher will never be diagnosed with AIDS and though a homosexual preacher has the exact same signs and symptoms of the conservative preacher he or she will be diagnosed with AIDS because of the boxes they checked on their paperwork before they took ANY test.

Disease is destroying millions culling people everywhere and many of the deaths are blamed on supposed pathogen that cannot be proven to exist or proven not to exist, HOW convenient is that? What do you think the chances of those death counts lowering if medicine and science are blaming the deaths on something they know does not exist or cannot be proven to exist?

"New World Order", nothing but a distraction so people do not pick up on the current and Old Order that will always be in power without any chance of being replaced by any "NEW" order.

EVERY SINGLE "BELIEF" changes when a person learns about their capacity for complete immunity. Once a person realizes they are superior to rats instead of believing they are inferior to rats like you all currently believe now every thing you believe will change.

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