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Famous Young Conservative Switches Sides

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    Sooner28posted 4 years ago

    Jonathan Krohn, the alleged child prodigy who was slated to be a future Republican President, now, at the age of 17, has switched sides, and describes his previous conservative beliefs as childish.  It's quite telling.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78068.html

    1. JSChams profile image60
      JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      How about the famous liberals who switched sides?

      Charles Krauthammer
      Andrew Breitbart
      Ronald Reagan
      Robert Downey
      David Mamet
      Ron Silver

      Just a few, Were they childish?

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        Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You missed the point.  He called the beliefs he held at 13 childish.  Focusing on the switch itself is a minor detail.

    2. readytoescape profile image61
      readytoescapeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      17, you have got to be kidding, you cannot not seriously be touting the decision making paradigms of a 17 year old as an example for people to follow.

      At 17 boys barely comprehend the difference between a bra strap and a bowl of nachos. Once he is exposed to academia he’ll either end up an anarchist or a quiz show host.

      You libs will grasp at anything

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        Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Could you please address what he actually said?  He said he was simply spouting things he had heard, and that had no connection with reality when he was a conservative.

        I bet you were gung ho about him when he was 13, if you knew he existed.  If not, then just ignore the second half of this response.

        1. readytoescape profile image61
          readytoescapeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Come on, I know you are smarter than that. I know exactly who this kid is and I put as much stock into what he said then as what he says now. Zero

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            Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            This is supposed to be a thread about him, but apparently it's getting off topic in multiple places.

            Just so we are clear, I'm not arguing that just because he said something it's therefore right.  I am just using it as a thought-provoking article.

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              readytoescapeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              For whom? Other impressionable, politically uneducated, inexperienced kids to sway to the liberal pont of view?

            2. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I don't find anything in the article that is thought-provoking.

              A 13 year old boy made a huge impression on people. So what? People that age are always surprising adults, either with their minds or body.

              For this particular kid to be 17 now and claim that he is switching sides because he has grown a whole 4 years, and somehow came to a revelation about his old beliefs..isn't thought provoking.

              Even on a political side, it's not even thought provoking. It's a mere mouth piece who wants attention. hmm

              1. readytoescape profile image61
                readytoescapeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                well said, but it's simple to figure out at first he said what he parents taught him, now as a teenager he repeats what he hears in school from liberal teachers. Wow now that is earth shattering news, a kid rebels against his parents

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                Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It's just an interesting article that shows a very bright student who wrote a book at 14 changed his mind.  He isn't the typical 17 year old.

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                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  And I'm not the typical 43 year old either. There's nothing typical about anything of anyone.

                  Normal? A misguided attempt to create divisions of people, so as to better control them through distortion and misinformation.

                  Every human being is different than another, but yet we are all human beings. All politics and religion aside, there's no such thing as normal.

                  It's impossible because it's a completely subjective view based on ignorance hidden by ego.

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                    Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Based on the typical behavior of most 14 year olds, they are not authors, and they are not speakers at major political conferences.  That's all I was saying.

  2. Shanna11 profile image92
    Shanna11posted 4 years ago

    Big whoop- people change parties all the time. Doesn't mean one is worse than the other.

    This whole rigid bipartisan thinking (my party is better than yours) is going to get our country in trouble one day.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      One day? Don't you mean create trouble everyday? lol

      1. Shanna11 profile image92
        Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        This is true. But even bigger trouble than normal.

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I have a gay brother.  I have a sister with spina bifida. 

      Which party, do you think, should I vote for based on those two aspects alone?

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        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The Tea Party, do I get a prize?

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Totally.  I need to vote for people in favor of a theocracy, and who don't think my sister has a right to be covered if the money is not available.   Perhaps my brother and sister need to just toughen up....

          THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IN NOVEMBER!

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            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It never ceases to baffle me how the theocracy of a religion that states:

            Prov. 19:17 When you help the poor you are lending to the Lord--and he pays wonderful interest on your loan!
            and
            1 John 3:17 But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him--how can God's love be within him ?

            Is quite content to argue that Obamacare is bad...

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              Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If they were arguing it's a giveaway to the insurance industry, and doesn't have the cost control mechanisms everyone hoped for, then it might make more sense.

              Instead, they want more exploitation.  How can a country that calls itself Christian act in such a way?

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                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Honestly no idea.

                PS. there is a levee on the insurance companies coming to about 60 billion a year.

      2. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Your problem there Sooner is you don't realize it won't make a difference which party is in power as relates to those situations.
        There's not a dimes worth of difference.

        1. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If his sister needs health care it's a hundred thousand dollars a year difference for him and well the democrats support giving people the right to choose who they want to marry to a much greater extent, your statement is obviously wrong.

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            JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No they will get the same thing. The Republicans just won't make a photo op out of it.

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              Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No they won't 45 000 people die because they don't have insurance yearly and Republican's support that system it's simply not true, Republicans oppose gay marriage the six states which passed it are blue.

      3. Shanna11 profile image92
        Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I don't care who you vote for, or why, but I'm so blasted sick and tired of the "Conservatives are evil. Every last thing they do will always be evil and terrible and not a single thing Liberal's do is ever wrong" (and vica versa) mentality that so many American's have these days. There's good and bad in both parties, and I pity the people too blind, stubborn or stupid to see that.

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          This didn't answer the question.  Both parties are war mongers, and both are willing to spy and accept bribes from campaign donors.  But that's hardly a penetrating analysis.

          Some issues are real and the parties differ on them.  It's a blasted oversimplification to say both parties are the same.  Would Obamacare have passed if McCain won?  Would DADT have been repealed?  Would a sitting President came out in favor of gay marriage? No, no, no.

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            Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't care to answer your question, because I frankly don't care to tell you who you should and shouldn't vote for. Nor do I really care (sorry, but it's true) about your family's personal life and its bearing on your political choice. I found it irrelevant to the point I was making.

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              Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I addressed your point about one party not being better than another, and you call it irrelevant because you don't like what I have to say.  I'm sorry for having a gay brother and a disabled sister.  Maybe I just need to pray harder.

              I also addressed your point about some very positive things that would NOT HAVE been done if the conservative candidate had been elected.  Thanks for telling me how you really feel though.  I will keep that in mind for future reference.

              1. Shanna11 profile image92
                Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What the heck? Pray harder? What does that have to do with anything-- why did you even say that?

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                  Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You seem to have no care for people who are part of certain groups you deem "irrelevant."  There are millions of others who would fall under the situation I described for myself.  But it is what it is.

                  Lots of sick people, and lots of gay people, but you claim those issues are irrelevant.  So the only recourse I have to fix the problem, since the Democrats doing something about those issues isn't worth anything to you, no matter how many people are directly affected, is to pray and hope that circumstances change.

                  1. Shanna11 profile image92
                    Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What the heck (again)? You're going off of a lot of assumptions here: "You seem; you claim"

                    First off-- don't say anything about me based off of "you seem". Because it's probably wrong (you know what they say about people who assume!).
                    Secondly-- I've claimed nothing, other than the fact that I think the way our nation is so polarized by political party is going to be a big problem for us in the future. It already is-- nobody on EITHER side is willing to cross the line toed in the middle and work together.

                    That's all I'm claiming. That's the point I'm making. I'm claiming nothing else and making no other points. I'm saying nothing else. It was really more of a general comment on the  state of politics that happened to land in your forum.

      4. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Bingo, the Democratic party, of course.  The Republicans will leave you out to dry.  Or rather yet, they will demonize the gay brother, believing him to be in need of some deep and earnest prayer!

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Pretty obvious if you ask me :p

  3. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 4 years ago

    Maybe when he is 27 he might realize that both sides are childish.

    1. JSChams profile image60
      JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yep. I used to think I was a liberal and then I grew up. True story.

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Funny me too.

  4. Thomas Swan profile image95
    Thomas Swanposted 4 years ago

    I wonder about the phrase "power corrupts". It seems to me that those who get into politics are those who have the greatest desire for power. If I wanted to get into politics I would look at all the time, effort and money it takes, and decide against it. Someone with an extreme desire for power would probably try to make a go of it. So I don't think power corrupts once you have it; you have to be corrupt in the first place to try to get it.

    Ok, bit of a divergent rant there. Like people are saying, both sides are the same. If someone swtiches to the "other side" then they still haven't realised that both sides are the same anyway.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And, I'll gladly tell that the underlying cause is a lack of character within that person. Power is power. It will test a person's true character and reveal any lies.
      Yes, political power, but don't forget increased wealth. Not from the payment alone, but other avenues opened because of being elected.
      And what exactly does that say about you, as an individual? Just pointing it out. Take no offense. I have no desire to go into politics either, however, I do want to make my company a political nightmare for government. Btw- the only reason I pointed it out was because honest politicians who want change and not power is something missing in Congress.
      You would have to be of extremely low character or none at all to be corrupted by power. My hub clears it up better than I can do here.
      Correct. It's just another distraction.

 
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