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Why Democrat government is a bad idea

  1. undermyhat profile image60
    undermyhatposted 4 years ago

    If an individual cannot perfectly master himself how does he expect that government will perfectly master itself. In Federalist #51 James Madison wrote, "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary."

    Since men are not angels and therefore make up neither electorate nor governement imperfection in selection and service are to be expected. In aditoin, no perfection can be expected from government therefore government must be aregulated and limited to protect the electorate from the natural capriciousness and cupidity of men in power.

    1. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image61
      Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      [You have some typos, Hat!]

      Yes and Ronald Reagan believed the same things, however . . .



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        rickyliceaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Why are all your replies pictures?
        Do you create them?

        1. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image61
          Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You're so observant, Ricky!  I create some of them, but as they say—a picture is worth a thousand words.

          Unfortunately when you're trying to communicate with thickheaded zealots, a thousand pictures wouldn't help—but they do cut through the BS and the endless propaganda and dogma. 

          Hat wants it to go back to The Right of Kings . . . and maybe even Feudalism!


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          1. undermyhat profile image60
            undermyhatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

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            As evidenced by quoting Madison

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            rickyliceaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Indeed I am.
            Wow!! Not even a million words, convince thickheaded zealots.
            Very interesting. hmm

      2. undermyhat profile image60
        undermyhatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently the most powerful man in the history of the United States to have done all these things without the cooperation of the DEMOCRATS in Congress.  Perhaps some familiarity with the actual history of legislation in the 80s would help.(or not)

        And still not a direct reply to the premiss.  Just another absurdity.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
          Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I see, it's all the Democrats fault when the President has to deal with a Republican congress but it's still the Democrats fault when a President has to deal with a Republican congress. This is getting very old...

          1. undermyhat profile image60
            undermyhatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The President and the Congress are supposed to have clear divisions in responsibility.  Congress generates a budget.  Presidents can ask for certain budget priorities and can request legislative priorities but legislation - ALL legislation is the responsibility of Congress.  If the President agrees with the Congress and signs the legislation he then becomes equally responsible for that legislation.

            No President has had to deal with a totally Republican Congress since the surplus, balanced budget , National Debt pay down and welfare reform years of Bill Clinton.  Prior to that Congress these things were not a Clinton or Congressional priority.  With Democrat Clinton as President and Democrat controlled Congress the country faced annual budget deficits and a single payer health care program.  These things caused the second biggest Congressional turn over since the Civil War.  It was also the first time a sitting Speaker of the House lost his own Congressional seat.

            Democrats had total control over Congress(a filibuster proof Senate) for his first year.  Ever since he has been scrambling to keep the "accomplishments" of that year extant while the nation has struggled with his wonderful economic Utopian vision.

            Neither Reagan nor Bush ever had a filibuster proof Senate and Bush only had 4 years of an admittedly flawed Republican Congress.

            Still doesn't disprove the premiss that Democrat government is bad government.

      3. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Don't forget he also curtailed gun rights.

        1. Wizard Of Whimsy profile image61
          Wizard Of Whimsyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Another good point, but he was forgiven because he wore a cowboy hat, rode horses and sold Boraxo on Death Valley Days.

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  2. kirstenblog profile image78
    kirstenblogposted 4 years ago

    I don't get the correlation between the title of this forum thread and the body of the OP?
    Far as I could make out, the actual post being made sounded like a blanket statement about government and not just one party or another. Not sure what the heck it has to do with the dem party specifically... hmm

    1. undermyhat profile image60
      undermyhatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There is a fundamental difference between American liberals and conservatives and it is whether the government should be large and regulate Americans or small and regulated by the Constitution.  This is at the root of every disagreement.  Is government sufficiently virtuous to govern an ever increasing amount of our private, personal choices.  Re disciplining the Federal government to the limits imposed by the Constitution sends Democrats into fits of apoplexy.

      Democrats believe that government is better suited to making choices for you than you are.  Democrats seek to insinuate government into an ever increasing array of activity.  Democrats seek to turn all Americans into protected, nurtured, sheltered wards of the state. They will never say it but their actions speak loudly of their aims.

      Madison was laying out an argument for limited government but say limited government to Democrats and the twitching starts.

 
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