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Racial quotas for disciplining children in schools

  1. Onusonus profile image85
    Onusonusposted 4 years ago

    The president is backing a racially based disciplinary policy in schools that focuses on African American students. More of that unity building stuff he campaigned on back in 2008 up in smoke. 
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama … z227Ng5TDr

    1. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The lunacy continues, or maybe is just starting, if Obama gets in again, look out for more of this craziness.

      To be honest, I have no idea HOW you get white, Hispanic and Asian students to behave badly enough to receive equal punishments, unless you set about destroying their family structures also....

      Oh hang on...

      NOW I understand, the POTUS wants equality, so ALL families should be dysfunctional with 70% of children born out of wedlock...

      Yeah, that would do it!

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Your comment is completely disgusting and sickening, I doubt you care but I just wanted to make it clear.

        1. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh I care, did you read the article?

          I care that a society thinks you can try and change the most disadvantaged by legislation that does nothing to deal with the reasons they are disadvantaged.

          When we deal with the symptoms, and not the cause, we cure nothing, we perpetuate the error.

          When your country deals with the fact that 70% of those blacks who end up in your immoral prison system were born out of wedlock, when it starts working on providing a structure that teaches morality and social responsibility, then you may have a chance of bringing true equality to those who are dispossessed.

          Until then your country is sliding towards either Marxist Socialism or Civil War, neither of which are good solutions.

          For the record my son works in the Bronx attempting to actually change the lives of those who we are discussing, he works 6 days a week visiting homes, forming relationships and attempting to show them that there is a better way.

          A young man from Spain, working for less than minimum wage, supported by donations from non Americans, a visitor to your country, who came to help resolve a situation that most Americans ignore.

          What are YOU doing to solve the problem?

          http://www.metroministries.org/helping- … ng-values/

          https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299028_10150297071894031_5775955_n.jpg

          Yeah, that's right, he lives and works in the projects you guys put up to house these folk.

          From the article:

          "“A disproportionate share of crimes are committed by African Americans, and they are disproportionately likely to misbehave in school… [because] more than 7 out of 10 African Americans (72.5 percent) are born out of wedlock… versus fewer than 3 out of 10 whites,” he said in a statement to The Daily Caller. Although ” you won’t see it mentioned in the Executive Order… there is an obvious connection between these [marriage] numbers and how each group is doing educationally, economically, criminally,” he said."

          Read more:http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama … z22SeD9vyc

          1. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I do lots of community work but of course anyone can claim anything online so I won't get into a pissing contest about it. It was not that I was referring to, the accusation that someone wants more broken homes was what was sickening and disgusting and still is.

            1. aguasilver profile image87
              aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I agree, it is "sickening and disgusting" that the 1% could want more broken homes, and that the 'elected' rulers of your people have consistently, whoever is in power, created the circumstances that lead to that result.

              It's not MY desire, I merely report it in the vain hope that some may recognise the CAUSE of the problem, rather than be taken in by propaganda designed to stop folk seeing behind the screen.

              "anyone can claim anything online" which is why I added some visual evidence!

              I do not doubt that you do your bit, but do you treat the causes or the symptoms? we all need to ask ourselves that question, to ensure that we are not deceived in our helping.

              I do not wear a cowboy hat! smile

    2. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The legislation is based on research by the education department that showed black children were far more likely to be suspended and expelled fro the same infractions as would get other students lesser punishments, basically people were/are racially discriminating against African American children the legislation simply aims to control that, I am not sure whether it's a good idea but it's designed to reduce punishments on one particular race but rather make sure the races are reprimanded in the same way for the same offenses without racism affecting it.

      1. Onusonus profile image85
        Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The kind of sentiment which is being proposed by these people is directed only towards African Americans. What about black kids who live in nice areas? Are they subject to the same kind of depravity? I think not. Why not make less punishments for all kids in impoverished neighborhoods? That way the whole neighborhood will go down the crapper instead of just the black families.
        I suppose though, that avoiding teaching them things like personal responsibility will have a positive effect on the uprising generation in some magical way or another.

        1. gmwilliams profile image82
          gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Onusonos,   I am with you on that one.    Many lower income Blacks come from homes where there is littlle or no discipline.   They receive no intellectual stimulation in the home.   They are left to run amok so to speak.     Yes, such children need to be disciplined harshly because that is the only methodology they understand. 

          In my elementary school(which was private), there were some such children in my class,  they were disciplined harshly by the teachers.  Let us say, stringent use of corporal punishment was used.   After a while, these students behaved and well I might add!   I applauded such discipline.   It was necessary.  How else were the rest of us going to learn.   I and other  middle to upper middle income Black students were not disciplined in this way.   In fact, we middle toupper middle income Black students were never disciplined at all.   We appreciated and loved learning.   

          We came from home where education and discipline were stressed.   Our parents also taught us.   Many lower income Black parents do not teach their children, it is their position that it is the teacher's responsibillity to educate their children without their participation in the matter.    These parents do not take their children anywhere and just let them roam wild in the streets.  In fact, many of them do not care about their children at all, they view them as nuisances and obstructions.    Many of these children raise themselves.   

          While I was a counsellor the summer before I attended college, it was the lower income Blacks who were rude and in need of discipline.   However,  counsellors were not allowed to discipline them.   Well, these children need to be disciplined harshly because sadly that is how they would learn and comprehend the rules of society.   Lower income Blacks tend to be quite fatalistic and believe that the world is against them.   They fail to realize that they must become proactive in the world in order if they want success.   

          Nothing is owed anyone.   Onusonos, you are correct in the premise that they must learn self-responsibility.    That concepts is totally nonexistent in their lives.   They would rather blame THE MAN than to totally access their lives.   I believe that it is not a race thing but a human responsibility thing!  Now I have said my piece!

          1. Onusonus profile image85
            Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I think that applies to any person of any race who is underprivileged or ignored by their parents. This is why I find it interesting that the president only chooses to cater to one specific race. Either he believes that African Americans are inherently and genetically prone to being uncivilized, or he is pandering to them for votes through the use of the time honored liberal tradition of victimology.

            1. gmwilliams profile image82
              gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Victimology is quite rampant these days.   I for one do not buy into the victimology philosophy.   My motto is no excuses.   If you want something, work for it, stop whining and bemoaning.   Get off buttocks and go for it!

              1. Onusonus profile image85
                Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Well said. I live in a neighborhood full of people who make up several different classes of affluence and are of a varied racial spectrum, and a great deal of their children are intelligent, and well rounded individuals who come home with high marks in school, and I have yet to hear a single one of them complain about being treated unfairly by their administrators. The only kids who do have problems in school are the abused, and neglected ones, and that is the fault of their parents who lack any kind of moral code except to embrace infidelity, alcohol, and drugs.

            2. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The study had nothing to do with poverty, parent neglect or even the area they grew up in, statistically speaking teachers are giving black students harsher sentences because they are racist the legislation aims to curve that because being discriminated against is bad for kids.

              1. Onusonus profile image85
                Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The president specifically said that African Americans "lack equal access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes, and they disproportionately experience school discipline,"
                To say that African American children fail in the school system based on some kind of underlying racial bias ignores statistics which present a much greater downward trend in American culture and is an insult to teachers everywhere.
                The truth remains that the real statistics which effect their behavior is the nearly 73% of them that are born out of wedlock. And that goes for anybody of any race.
                The fact that the president chooses once again to wave around the race card in order to divide and conquer illustrates a deep lack of leadership in this administration, and undermines the premises of the civil rights movement in America whose underlying principle is based on a society that judges a man by the context of their character rather than the color of their skin.   
                there is of course a wild idea out there that bases punishments on behavior rather than politically motivated statistics which conclude that racism must be the reason.

                1. Josak profile image60
                  Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No one is saying racism is the only reason or even the main reason why black kids are not doing well in school but it is statistically speaking a factor due to racism and dealing with it is a good idea.

                  Also the out of wedlock issue is bunk, the issue is not being born out of wedlock it's simply not having a proper family structure, wedlock has no relevance to that at all, many children are born out of wedlock to parents who live together and care for them properly and there is no issue. So again the issue is not children born out of wedlock it's the lack of a family structure.

                  It's not the presidents fault that people are statistically biased against black children, and he should be congratulated for trying to reduce discrimination against children, not doing anything about it and just ignoring it as you seem keen to do is tacit approval.

                  1. Onusonus profile image85
                    Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What's bunk is the incessant race baiting. Racism seems the only conclusion that liberals can arrive at, and the only solution is racist legislation.

                  2. aguasilver profile image87
                    aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Same thing... if a child has parents who live together and commit to each other, they are married anyway, at least in Gods eyes, the worlds legal position may not accept that, but commitment + consummation = marriage, and a child shows consummation clearly!



                    Agreed, there is racial prejudice in America, and any POTUS is incapable of changing that opinion, no matter what they decide to legislate, you cannot legislate racial prejudice away, the very word means 'pre judged' and therefore prejudice ONLY dissolves when the person who is prejudiced is proven wrong by experience, i.e. when the prejudiced person sees that what they pre judged was actually incorrect.

                    You have a chicken and egg situation, the racist requires to be shown that their preconceptions about others are incorrect, and they can only be shown that when they are proven incorrect.

                    http://www.radford.edu/~junnever/bw.htm

                    Illustrates the problem succinctly.... the figures show that whites and Hispanics are mostly equal, yet Hispanics are just as prejudiced against as blacks, so we are seeing here a cultural and 'tribal' difference.

                    I live in Asia, 'whites' are a minority here, the country I live in is Malaysia, a Muslim nation, but the facts are that DESPITE very much positive discrimination, the native Malaysians are significantly disadvantaged, (by our considerations) because they simply do not hold the same 'work ethic' that our Chinese and Indian Malaysians have.

                    The Chinese basically run the business sector, the Indians do the manual labour, and the native Malaysians are running the bureaucracy, mainly because those jobs are reserved for them.

                    They simply do not aspire to the same things that others races do.

                    A Chinese child will be driven mercilessly by their parents to succeed and study in education, they will rise at 5am to study BEFORE school, and will spend more hours in the evening studying, they have no choice. They succeed in being highly educated, and being successful in life, as WE view it.

                    The Chinese family is revered, and we have huge houses built here as 'three generation houses' where grandparents, parents and children live together. That is the norm.

                    The Indian families often have absent fathers, but the community cares for each other, and the men are often absent because they are working manually elsewhere to send their families financial support.

                    Indian families will drop their children at the orphanage, sometimes for months, and then call back to collect them when they can afford to be a family again.

                    The native Malaysians work to live, and any contractor knows that once they have sufficient cash in their pocket, they may not turn up for work until they need more funds.

                    They enjoy life, and have no real aspirations to get more of anything, and that is NOT a bad thing, but it does mean that they stay poorer than those who choose to work harder and try to accumulate cash in order to live a life they desire, one where success is paramount and social improvement generation by generation is sought after.

                    You cannot FORCE folk to live by your standards and aspirations, some folk just do not consider important that which others hold to be the only way to live.

                    Obama is known as a 'Choc Ice' .... brown on the outside, white underneath, and has mixed blood, which means his genetic structure has formed his ability to rise to his position.

                    In view of his genealogy, it can be said that he has a different understanding than a black who has a 'pure' African blood line.

                    To demand or try to legislate that all people MUST hold the same basic aspirations as the majority race is social engineering of the worse kind, and is actually a racist policy in itself.

 
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