http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/2 … 28095.html
Not only is the GOP the Guarantors of Poverty in economics, they also have a poverty of thought, which is lacking in 21st century ideas.
I'm wondering if Fox News will call out Romney for this racist joke.
Everything is racism to you people...
Lol, just watch the interpretation of that line.
That's the question
When someone uses vague language like that, people have a tendency to project their own opinion into the interpretation. People who think racism drives everything will assume it is a racist comment.
Sounds like you did this on purpose. Games won't help you convince anyone.
Jaxson's channeling Ann Romney again.
"We've given all YOU PEOPLE all you need to know..."
Just joshin' ya, Jaxson.
I don't see this as so much a birther comment as Mitt attempting to be funny. And he is just ... not.
Haha, I thought someone would pick up on that
It's true, Romney has a hard time appearing 'normal', because he's not.
Not really a bad thing though, I consider someone's understanding of economics to be more important than their image of being able to cut loose and drink beer...
It's so interesting how quickly "we" shift what we value in our leaders.
W was affable, likeable, plain spoken (being generous here). Seemed exactly like the kind of guy you'd love to have a beer with (forget for a minute that beer is not his friend).
In 2008 we saw the huge rise of the populist candidate. I want a hockey mom for my Veep. Educated is out. Folksy, you betcha is in.
Now it's 2012.
We are back to expecting an educated POTUS. But both candidates have Harvard law degrees and no one cares. So we'll call their book learning credentials a wash.
But... in a mind-boggling flip flop of approach, we now have the GOP claiming the usual Dem territory of policy wonks.
Ryan's being held up as the "intellectual" and Romney as the "brilliant economic tactitian who is the only one who understands how businesses run." (On a very micro, let's pick one business per industry level, with the sole goal of satisfying investors, yeah. He does).
Which leaves Obama as the nice guy you'd like to have a beer with.
What does seem to be emerging in this last week is how little control Romney has over his party or his own campaign messaging. If we thought Boehner got emasculated by the Tea Party, we ain't seen nothing yet.
As theater, it's a tragicomedy.
Comedy isn't his strong suit. Now W, he was funny - whether he meant to be or not!
The Mittwit should be smart enough to heed to wisdom of not reopening old wounds. But as a disrag with the subtleness of a busted chain saw, perhaps, I am asking too much. He has a problem of not thinking before he speaks and it will prove to be fatal to his campaign as it progresses.
While it is not racist, it just another example of his poor judgement.
Consider it a clever technique to get Donald Trump to donate more money.
Is Barack Obama also a racist, for joking about his birth certificate?
Making a remark about yourself, such as if I were to joke about my height, and another group joking about it, who in the past said I wasn't qualified to be president because of my height is completely different.
I feel like I have to ask. Do you believe Obama is a citizen of the United States of America and was born in Hawaii?
One of these guys has to grow up and lead us rather than stoop to the school yard taunts and finger pointing. The "Oh yeah, well your momma............." crap is just mud in the mix and satisfies no one but the "Jersey Shores" crowd. Trashy America is sickening me and I wish someone would explain the hows and whys of what they are going to do about the jobs and economy. I just love it when one side defends themselves by pointing out the others faults to gaffe the question or issue off. This is another blind election based on no facts and no solutions. So if the other side cannot present a case then why should we take a chance and change anything. At least we can understand the here and now.
What was racist about that? Stating that he was born here in the usa? Or was it that he cracked a joke on someone who happens to be black? Calling this racist is the reason racism will never die! Yelling racism everytime someone doesn't like someone who happens to be black is ignorant. So you dislike romney? Do you consider this thread racist as well? No, I'm sure you don't and nothing Romney said was racism either. By the way I'm not a Romney supporter either.
Did you read the article before you responded?
Birthers are racists. Romney then made a reference TO THEM, trying to get a laugh from the audience, which succeeded. The audience's reaction is telling also.
Romney claimed, ""No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised.""
They KNOW I am born here, unlike that brown man on the other side, who people do have QUESTIONS about. Why would there be a reference to a birth certificate AT ALL if it wasn't a veiled attempt to appease racist voters?
One thing i admired about McCain, he never would've said something so disgusting.
Yes I read it and I see nothing racist about wanting to know for sure that your president was actually born here. I think it's sad that anyone would assume racism because people want proof. After all people have to provide proof of being born here for almost anything else. I don't think the "birthers" could care less if it was a "brown man" or if it was someone from ireland. The point of his remark was truthful. At least with Romney there are no doubts about being born here in the USA. Again I see nothing racist about requiring your president to provide the same proof the people of this country have to provide. It's common sense not racism!
Would anyone be asking him if he was White? Let's be honest, probably not.
Yes, there is something racist about it, when the issue is being constantly brought up and somehow this alien Barack Obama became president of the united states deceiving everbody through the campaign process, the keepers of the Constitution-the legal establishment and the entire world just because a few rightwing idiots seem to think that the 'smart people' seemed to have missed something, perish the thought.
The reply of some conservatives on here is disheartening. I always thought birthers made up around 15% of the Republican party, and the Republican POLITICIANS were the ones who wouldn't call out the racism. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans, layman and politician alike, aren't calling out the birthers for their nonsense.
OK, the subject of the birthplace of a president was never a controversy until Obama?
How about them darn racists that questioned Chester A. Arthur?
"Long before “birthers’’ began questioning the citizenship of President Obama, similar questions were raised about the early years of Arthur, an accidental president who ascended to the job after President James Garfield was assassinated.
“It’s an old rumor that won’t die, political slander,’’ said John Dumville, who runs Vermont’s historic sites and knows well the legend.
The Constitution says only a “natural-born citizen’’ may serve as president. "
http://articles.boston.com/2009-08-17/n … -president
Yeah, and I bet Donald Trump was all over that one, too!
This doesn't deflect the charge of racism.
It just shows political imbecility has been around for a long time. No one questioned Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, Ford, Johnson, Mondale, Clinton, Bush 41, Bush 43, or Nixon's birth place.
Then, Obama gets elected, and all of the sudden, white guys on power trips believe it's time to "ask questions."
It is racism, pure and simple. The racist's response is to lie and deny that racism exists. Mitt Romney is the most prolific liar in political history.
Racists believe that they can lie, cheat, murder and steal because their racism justifies it.
Have you ever thought that their birthplaces was well documented?
Bush avoid draft?
Controversies and gossip tend to be a part of the political process. Either that or the racist Hillary Clinton should have never brought the subject up.
Now honestly, RB.
How can you call Hillary Clinton racist?
Have you not seen the videos of her gettin' down in South Africa?
She's officially "badass."
LOL, if questioning the birthplace of a candidate is racism, Hillary is the grand poobah!
She obviously has no problems with illegal aliens though:
The country would be much better if we could simply merge Hillary and Obama:
Well, you know she and Bill always wanted a second child, but Bill was too busy helping unwed mothers get their start.
*smacks self for silliness.*
But, the adoption + illegal aliens idea just hit me.
What if, instead of self-deportation, we allowed illegal immigrants to be "adopted" by US citizens?
Sort of a "We understand your dilemma, people. You want to be tough on immigration, but at the same time, we know you have lawns to be mowed and houses and offices to be cleaned. So, we'll make a win/win for both you and your hired help. They get to stay in the country and you won't get in trouble for employing them if you ADOPT them!"
Ok, so it's not perfect. Name one other immigration policy that is!
Hey, I LOVE the adoption idea! I'll take a 35-year-old Hispanic male!!
No need to share. There's plenty to go around.
In fact, if you want to be truly patriotic, you will adopt at least 2 each.
One for winter, one for summer?
One for weekdays, one for weekends?
Stopping myself from gushing "cabana boy" as I know I will be vilified as racist.
And probably sexist, too.
OMG, MM - you read my mind! We have a pal from Puerto Rico, a very attractive, charming, flirtatious young man. He wants me to invite all my girlfriends over to a pool party so he can be our "cabana boy." If it ever stops raining here, I think we're going to do it! He's a professional bartender, too, by the way.
I can just see it now:
"Oh, Augustin, please make me a pina colada."
"Oh, Augustin, would you rub some tanning oil on my back?"
Hey, MM, wanna come to the party??
Wouldn't you just know it, and invite like that and I'm in the wrong country.
I quite like the winter summer idea, a bit like curtains.
Typical political rhetoric vs. racist rhetoric are two different strategies.
I know Romney is engaging in hyperbole when he says Obama wants a divided America, and his stimulus was a complete failure (both are demonstrably false).
However, insinuating that Obama isn't like us white people, that he is different and maybe not even a U.S. citizen, that goes beyond the acceptable.
Like someone else asked on here, would they be trumping this idea if he were white? No.
Division based on wealth!
Division based on sexuality!
Division based on race!
Division based on legal status!
No, Obama is not the great divider! Is there any subject Barry does not try to get Americans to bicker over? The only controversies he involves himself with are subjects of division!
Why do you keep calling him Barry?
If homophobia exists, and racism exists, and an unjust economic system exists, then I have no problem calling out the people who are the wrong sides of the issues.
According to your logic, it would be division to call out slave owners. You are just dividing slave owners and non-slave owners. Or, you are just dividing based on women having the right to vote vs. being disenfranchised.
Simply saying something "divides" isn't an argument for anything.
The same reason I call Billy boy slick willie, and i call W dumaya. Would you like Barry to be treated differently?
Birthers are the ones who call him Barry.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi … dental.asp
If every subject approached by the man is one of division, he is a divider. It is an argument when our POTUS involves himself in areas he knows nothing about, adding his two cents, incorrectly, for the sole purpose of creating friction! ie... The Cambridge police were wrong, even though I do not have a clue what happened!!!!!
Seems every time he comments it is because someone has asked for his opinion. Would you rather he lie? It seems to me it the fact that people make a huge deal out of his opinion that creates the friction. Especially when it doesn't really matter what he said, just the fact that he said it.
He is only divisive because some people feel everyone must agree with their point of view...
It was obviously a joke, although maybe not a smart one.
The Birthers are silly and obsessed.
Birthers II (the Romney tax bandwagon-riders) are just as silly and obsessed.
It's partisanship on both sides, pure and simple.
As for the "joke," I thought Mitt was actually sorta making fun of the birthers. It was lame, like when Obama made a joke about Special Olympics. Or when Biden gets an attack of foot-in-mouth disease. Cut all the candidates some slack! How would you like for every syllable out of your mouth to be scrutinized and analyzed??
Habee, it's because it's only a gaffe if it comes from your side. If it comes from the other side, that person is stupid/racist/idiot/showinghistruecolors/etc..
This is exactly what is alienating former Obama supporters that now find themselves the brunt of ridiculous accusations.
Well, well. I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to his verbatim words:
"No one has ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised."
Took me a couple of readings to "get it."
Would that be the royal "we"?
If so, then "we" are not amused.
I think he mentioned Ann before he said that and was including her
Just so, UW. Thank you!
“I love being home, in this place where Ann and I were raised. Where both of us were born...No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised.
So wait. By this comment, is he now accusing Michelle Obama of not being born in the U.S.. too?
I read on twitter that everyone knew he was born in the US because he was created in a lab.
Well there you go. A typical American Exceptionalist comment.
Does he mean there are no labs in other countries in the world, only the Great U S of A?
See how easy it is?
I clearly missed the point, I thought the twitterer (is that even a word?) was eluding to the fact that he was a clone (a Bush clone because he's moved to the right and is not as moderate as he was once) See, this is what happens when I attempt to read and think at the same time after 12am.
Grammatical slip by Romney. He should've included Ann in the sentence BEFORE the we. Then it would've been clearer who he was talking about.
Very awkward change of sentence subject from we to I back to we again, yes.
It was a cheap shot played for a guaranteed laugh when addressing his base.
Is it more than that?
I don't know. Others (including many media and the Obama campaign) feel it is.
Where does Romney begin and end and where does the Republican party begin and end?
The party has known birthers, including Sheriff Joe, speaking at their convention.
Does that mean Romney is a birther?
Or is he simply pandering to the fringe of his party?
I don't believe Mitt is ACTUALLY a birther. He's just pandering.
However, even if it was a joke, if Obama were to make a racist joke about white people, would the Republicans just shrug and say eh? Politics is dirty. I guarantee you they would not.
I just read this article today from The Atlantic. I think it really fits into the spirit of this debate. Mitt Romney's comments might be more than racist; they might be un-American.
http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archi … ns/261551/
@Holle, I'm giggling just thinking about what mischief two Holles could get up to. We'd be like the terrible twins.
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