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Obama supporters engage in vandalism against Romney supporters.

  1. JSChams profile image60
    JSChamsposted 4 years ago

    http://twitchy.com/2012/10/07/democrats … -stickers/

    Again....no big surprise. There are no rules for the liberals.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure that's Obama's fault, right? Without liberals, this country would be a 18th century, 3rd world, church/state.

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hey you know what?
        Why should those people get a pass? Just like you are doing?
        I'm tired of this white hat / black hat thing.
        If they keyed someone's car they should get what they deserve for it.
        Or did you do some of that yourself?
        Lately I am showing the dark side of the left and all you guys just shrug your shoulders. Now you know why you are losing support.

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Js, you and your people are such hypocrites and as such are most offensive. You are not showing us anything except some inane idea of comparinig apples to hand granades and it aint selling. All you rightwingers can expect to have your a**es handed to you next Nevember then you will be free to return to your Klaverns to consider Plan B

          I do not support Vandalism on either side, but I do remember attacks on Democratic campaign offices in parts of the country around 2010, a bit more dramatic then keying someone car.

        2. eternals3ptember profile image60
          eternals3ptemberposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I really do not care. People who are liberals can be bastards. I live in LA, and no one goes around like " oh, what nice, down-to-earth people." The difference is that they don't push Jesus on me, they don't try to increase my taxes, they don't care what I do. So I love them.

        3. Repairguy47 profile image59
          Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Its because they don't care what their side does, the 47% is full of whiners and takers and they need to pay their fair share! Actually they just need to pay ANYTHNG!!

    2. Seth Winter profile image85
      Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Earlier this year I attended a Ron Paul rally and we had 4 Obama supporters crash that place. They stole a few of the campaign signs and attempted to do their Obama Obama Obama chant...they were drown out.

    3. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Odd - it happens on both sides. Just goes to show a Christian nation has no morals or respect for anything. No wonder everyone hates Americans and want to vaporize them. wink

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        DMartelonlineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh you mean like this:

        http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21761 … ers-denver

        or like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=Don't+R … mp;bih=635

        or maybe this: https://www.google.com/search?q=OBAMA:+ … mp;bih=635

        I love outrage LOL smile  BTW: I'm not a Democrat but the fact of the matter is that sometimes it cracks me up to watch the two sides go tearing each other apart and claim the other side is full of bullies.

        Mitt Romney constantly interrupted at P debate and it was seen as "strong and presidential".  Biden interrupted at VP debate and people claimed he was drunk, rude etc.  It's all a frigging joke ... I'll be glad when this election season is over

        1. JSChams profile image60
          JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Like I tried to say before.........ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of the time it is how horrible the blood lusting conservatives and and what evil they do. All I try to do is show it ain't just them. Yep some idiot shot through a window at Obama headquarters in Denver. Nope I do not for one second agree with it or cheerlead for it. B U T.....that does not change my opinions nor should it.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
            Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The difference is that most people do not assume that the behaviour of one extremist means that every one of the belief is the same.  I see people pointing out the bad behaviour of one person or a few. You are the only one who starts posts stating all liberals or those who you think are liberals are the same.

            1. Seth Winter profile image85
              Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Uninvited Writer I agree. You can't judge all people based on a few extremist nuts...otherwise it would be safe to assume that all democrats hate black people (democrats started KKK) and they also hate jews (Nazi Party is an abbreviation for the socialistic democrat party of Germany).

            2. JSChams profile image60
              JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Actually I don't believe the word ALL is there.
              I think that is something you may be seeing yourself.
              And I don't think I have ever seen where it is stated maybe just a few Conservatives did something bad. Usually they try their best to pin whatever it is right to my chest.
              Of course, I am not supposed to do anything like that. Might be hurtful.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Geez, you're scared of pretty much everything and you're a victim.  We get it.  roll

                1. JSChams profile image60
                  JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Right......

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              SassySue1963posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              @Uninvited Writer Please feel free to peruse these forums in the political section. The left here and in the media constantly judge every conservative based on the actions of one radical. All the time. Every GOP member is judged on the actions of one. All the time.
              I would say that I do recall some instances of vandalism on Obama's signs in 2008. The difference? THAT was all over the news. Where is the news on these incidents? Hmmm....

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It is my perception that some conservatives  in these forums (not all - Jaxson comes to mind) immediately jump to playing the victim. Obviously, that differs from your perception.

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                  SassySue1963posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  @PP First I would like to say that you are not one I've found to jump to judgement on anyone. You are to be commended for that in this venue because you are among the few.
                  Pointing out a fact, and it is a fact, happens on these forums and in the media (both sides, both ways) every single day is not playing victim. Now, my take on this, as I believe I stated somewhere, is I know there were these instances back in 2008 against Obama supporters. I'm certain there are most likely such instances now as well. These are the fringes of both sides.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, agreed, both sides do it, but according to Mr. Chams, liberals do it more, are bullies, and paint all conservatives in the same light.  Poor JS sees boogeymen everywhere.  lol

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                      SassySue1963posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I think we just see the boogeymen more. What before people might say to themselves or close friends or relatives in the past is now out there on social media for all the world to see. We tend to try to rationalize this to mean an increase in hatred and vitriol where it is really just that we now have a medium where people feel anonymous enough to spew such stuff for all the world to see. Just my opinion though.
                      Also, instant news searches bring obscure things to light on a bigger stage that would have been more localized in the past.

                2. JSChams profile image60
                  JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh let me see.....we are supposed to grow a skin or gut it up as long as we are willing to be cast in the light of bloodsuckers and not complain right?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Case in point.

            4. Ralph Deeds profile image73
              Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I've noticed that, too.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Touche! Good points, especially the shot into the Obama campaign HQ.

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's not only liberals. Somebody ripped the Obama bumper sticker off my car, and two friends in Grosse Pointe had their Obama yard signs stolen. I haven't heard of any keying, however. That's inexcusable.

    4. ElSeductor profile image60
      ElSeductorposted 4 years ago

      Get off your high horse.  Republicans threatened the owners of a Mexican restaurant in Colorado for not letting them put up Romney/Ryan posters.

      R

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hey you discovered it happens on both sides!!!!!

        Now why should either of them get a pass? Because you don't seem to find anything wrong with the keying incidents?

      2. Mighty Mom profile image93
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hello? How about shooting a BULLET into the Obama headquarters in Denver?
        I'd classify that as a bit more severe than "vandalism."

    5. jenb0128 profile image94
      jenb0128posted 4 years ago

      Yes, it happens on both sides. I don't see anybody saying anyone should "get a pass." They were just pointing out that Republicans do these things too. You did say "There are no rules for the liberals" which implies that vandalism is a liberal thing.

      It's wrong when either side does it.

    6. movingout profile image60
      movingoutposted 4 years ago

      And when President Obama ran back in 2008 signs and private property were also vandalized. Nothing new for a "FEW" on both sides!

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      Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago

      Why is it that in order to prop up our 'favorite' candidate - team - country - whatever - we have to crush the opposition?  Rather than pointing out the goodness of whatever it is we support, we focus everyone's attention on the negativity of the 'opposition.'  I'm fairly sure that it has to do with our own solid belief in our own 'side.' 

      If there's really enough good on one side to make it the 'best,' then we should focus on that and leave the crap on the other side to the other side. 

      Ugh.

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's a good question. Maybe being Conservative I spend so much time being told by the opposition how inherently evil I am I just no longer know any better.
        You ever post a rant like that to them?

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          Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I am one of 'them?'  I made no mention of my own thoughts on politics in my post, so whatever you assume me to be could very easily be incorrect.

          I feel that way about everyone, JSChams.  I have unsubscribed to the feeds of every single friend on FB who posts anything that has to do with politics.  That includes my Tea Party friends, my Liberal friends, and my Libertarian friends.  Why?  Because I'm sick to death of the negativity and hate mongering that goes on in the name of supporting their 'party.'

          My point is that if yours, mine, theirs - anyone's - is so much BETTER - why not focus on what's GOOD in your party and leave the others alone?  Or learn to love equality and censure those in EVERY party who spread nothing but negativity?

          1. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No...the reason I said that is I NEVER.....did I say NEVER?....see a screed like that on a liberal based forum.
            Now I realize we are all supposed to believe they are so good they glow in the dark but I am 56 years old and have been on both sides and know better. Not trying to jump on you specifically just the thing here as a whole.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I missed this response earlier, I'm sorry.  I think the reason for that is that there are so many extremists on both sides.  Most of what you see in forums comes from the far righties and far lefties.  More moderate folks (like me, and habee for example) tend to stay away.  Maybe we need to start being more vocal than the more extreme folks - we certainly have better things to say, and a lot more common sense in the grand scheme of things.

              smile

          2. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I don't really have a party but am not naive enough to believe that one party is inherently good and the other inherently evil. Were that the case the solution to all our problems would be really simple wouldn't it?

            Yet that is what is almost always portrayed. That's why I post things to hold up a mirror and boy does it get a reaction.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm sure it does get a reaction...lol

              Too bad the reaction isn't someone pointing out the good that we might be able to if we all quit trying to point out each others' shortcomings.

              1. JSChams profile image60
                JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That all starts far above where we are sitting you know.
                Basically i have no problem. If they quit calling me a piece of crap I will do the same but it ain't gonna happen because it is all the ammo they have.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No one will ever stop bullying or insulting a person who continually responds to their bullying.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  When someone insults you, you are not given a free pass to return the favor.  Actually, not behaving in a similar fashion is the quickest way to shut them down, IMO.

                  1. JSChams profile image60
                    JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I am not trying to "bully" anyone, and it's interesting you would admit liberals engage in such an action.
                    Not very tolerant now is it?

                    All I try to do is hold up a mirror so it can be seen that people are people and all of us do really stupid things. There is an almost mythological quality to how liberals wish themselves to be viewed. There is a Hub in the makings about these things.

            2. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah - not at all one sided your posts. lol lol

    8. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 4 years ago

      A shot was fired through the window of Obama's Denver campaign office - while people were inside. There are too many crazies on both sides.

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh I agree. I hope they catch the character. Soon.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago

      Why would I 'admit' that liberals are guilty of such things?  I didn't think I made it a secret that everyone is guilty of those things.  I was referring to your attitude of 'when they stop, I'll stop.'  If no one stops first, the crap goes on. 

      And, I was actually referring to those you feel are bullying you.

      I'm tolerant of many things, not of others.  That's because I'm human.

      Maybe you're missing my central point.  If you're going to hold up a mirror to others, try looking into it yourself.

      1. JSChams profile image60
        JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well I have been on both sides of the ideological fence and most haven't . That's why i try and educate some because they have been raised to believe this groups is "good" and that group is "evil".
        That has even been stated to me right here on these forums.
        I also don't believe in allowing that sort of thing to be fostered because it is a lie.

    10. JSChams profile image60
      JSChamsposted 4 years ago

      Basically folks there are some of you so biased you don't even realize you are doing this.

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        An AYMposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's a good thing we have your calm, unbiased presense to elevate the level of discourse.  And please take that with all the intention of sarcasm behind the message.

    11. movingout profile image60
      movingoutposted 4 years ago

      And someone shot the window out at an Obama campaign office. Should I assume it was a Republican? Both sides have crazy people!

      1. Repairguy47 profile image59
        Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe its part of the fictional war on women?

      2. Seth Winter profile image85
        Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Someone shot a window out at an Obama Campaign office...also in the new's Man with Obama Witch Doctor poster get's death threats over exercising his freedom of speech. Yet the media seems to be more interested in this man being a possible racist then they are they people want to kill him....

        Both sides have crazies but I agree with the OP liberals in many instances  get a "get out of jail" free card when people think of their more violent nature. I'm willing to give examples if anyone is interested.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image59
          Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this
          1. Seth Winter profile image85
            Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What I find interesting in the Liberals is that they like to use words like "Racist" or "Hate Mongering" when Liberals are responsible for the creation of some downright evil organizations of hate. The KKK was originally created by the Democrats....the Black Panther (black version of KKK) were created with a strong liberal base. Heck even the Nazi Party was created by democrats...The term Nazi is actually an abbreviation for a German word meaning Socialist Democrat Party of Germany.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
              Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The Nazi's co-opted the socialist term... they were not socialist, they were facists. I guess you don't like the term democracy. Not all who believe in democracy are Democrats you know?

              1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Whats the difference?

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
                  Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well, for one thing facists are right wing extremists...

                  1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                    Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Do you have an example, Hitler claimed to be a socialist. I don't think there is a difference between a socialist and a fascist.

                    1. Ralph Deeds profile image73
                      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Why don't you look it up? Educate yourself.

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              Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You are using historical references, some of which are true.  Democrats used to be the party of racism; however, you are forgetting something essential, and that is quite devastating to what you are trying to argue: the realignment of the racist southern states to the Republican party after the Democrat LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.

              All of those places and racist voters are now either dead, or members of the Republican party.  History is definitely important and cannot be revised.

              1. JSChams profile image60
                JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                No racists at all in the Democrat party?   You sure about that???

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                  Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I never claimed that.  I claimed the southern racist Democrats changed over to the Republican party.

                  There are obviously going to be racists in the Democratic party.  It isn't on the same level though.

                  1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                    Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What level would that be?

                  2. JSChams profile image60
                    JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you sure about that Sooner? i live in the Sooner state too you know.

              2. Seth Winter profile image85
                Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Last I checked America didn't gather all the racists and put them in the south...both sides have racists (Democrats and Republicans)...I'd say that the world is much more accepting to the Democrats racism though. Affirmative Action is a democrat's act and it supports racism, allowing for minorities to get jobs, school spots over whites even if whites have a higher test score. The NAACP a civil rights group is clearly racist, supporting minorities and blacks instead of human beings (also if I created an organization called National Association for the Advancement of White Only People I'd be labeled a racist).  Reverse racism is racist.

                Heck you can even look at the current democrat administration and see that Obama is a racist. Cambridge Police Incident. Forgiving the Black Panthers for their 2008 voter intimidation. Trayvon Martin could be my son-race baiting. Obama choice in Reverends. Not to mention Obama's book.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                  Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Watched an interesting movie earlier, Obama's America 2016. Had an interesting question from the movies director/narrator Dinesh D'souza to Jesse Jackson in a debate. Basically this, where is the racism in America that prevents people of color from succeeding here? The answer is it does not exist except in the minds of those that want it to exist.

                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually it exists in many ways, from lower pay for the same work, passing over for promotion based on race, higher sentences and higher rates of conviction on non white defendants etc. etc.

                    The simplest way to see it however is to note the massive wealth gap between races and think about it, unless you believe that non whites are inferior in some way then the only/main reason they are poorer etc. is due to racism.

                    1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                      Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Many reasons why someone is poor and they don't have a thing to do with racism, except in the mind of those who need racism to exist.

                  2. Ralph Deeds profile image73
                    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    D'Sousa is a right wing fascist prevert from the Hoover Institute at Stanford.

                    1. Seth Winter profile image85
                      Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      And the Left Wing is responsible for the creation of both the KKK and the Black Panthers...so what's your point?

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                  Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I am with you a little in criticizing affirmative action, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it racist.  Perhaps it's time to re-evaluate?  I'm a little more undecided on this issue, but the intent behind it is NOT racist.

                  Then, you said Obama is a racist, and your credibility on this issue disappeared.

                  1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                    Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What exactly is a "typical white person"? Sounds a bit racist to me, even with his convoluted answer.

                    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 … talks-mor/

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                      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      This has been borne out in studies.  http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/bernd.w … /dcw08.pdf

                      He was speaking honestly about the "typical white person" and when they see an African American they don't know, they are more likely to perceive them as a threat.  Inarticulate wording and somewhat ill defined, the point is still true.

                      Studies like the one I cited cannot simply be dismissed. Empirical evidence is what it is.

                  2. Seth Winter profile image85
                    Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay so tell me...if a law is created that only caters to a specific race or group of races but excludes certain races would that in it's definition be racist? I think so. Your excluded races that are not a minority and thus discriminating.

                    As for losing my credibility, frankly I don't care...or at least I don't care about your saying it. I stated why I believe Obama is a racist. I listed examples and all you do is say "no, he not a racist." Well then prove me wrong, if you can.  Have you read his book? Here's a few quotes from his books...

                    I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites

                    There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.

                    That was the problem with people like Joyce. They talked about the richness of their multicultural heritage and it sounded real good, until you noticed that they avoided black people. ... To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.
                    ... But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

                    I found solice in nursing a pervasive sense of grievancee and animosity against my mother's race


                    Come on SOoner28 if you really think I'm wrong prove it. Those are a few quotes and while they might be subjective my post before this one had some fairly clear examples.

                    1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                      Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Trust me, he will find a way to make all of that acceptable or justified. Its what libs do in lieu of thinking.

    12. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago

      Amen!...I live in the blood red state of TN, never feel my vote counts.

     
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