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Is Mitt Romney mentally stable enough to be President?

  1. Xenonlit profile image60
    Xenonlitposted 4 years ago

    He is clearly a pathological and habitual liar. He has poor control over his explosive temper. He giggles when confronted about disturbing behavior he has done in the past.

    Who is stupid enough to vote for a man who has poor self control, an explosive temper, and is unable to tell the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FmHr0391kg

    1. pagesvoice profile image85
      pagesvoiceposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Let's see if I have Willard figured out because he is so transparent and open with everything. Okay...here we go:
      Foreign Policy - Top Secret
      Willard's Tax Returns - Top Secret
      How to Create 12 Million Jobs - Top Secret
      Tax Loopholes Mitt would plug - Top Secret
      Mitt's Health Care Plan - Top Secret
      Romney's Budget Plan - Top Secret

      Yup...I am so sold on this guy because of his honesty and also, just like Cheney, Mitt made sure he took his military deferments during Vietnam as well. War hawks who never wore a uniform have zero credibility with me.

      1. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Foreign Policy - Top Secret
        Willard's Tax Returns - Top Secret
        How to Create 12 Million Jobs - Top Secret
        Tax Loopholes Mitt would plug - Top Secret
        Mitt's Health Care Plan - Top Secret
        Romney's Budget Plan - Top Secret

        Since you missed the Top Secret Foreign policy speech

        http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Even … 7434742-1/

        He has released 2 years tax returns. When Obama releases all the documents he holds including fast and furious, then Romney can release his tax returns. Why should he release them? so you can make more fun of the fact he was successful? Did your parents not teach you to be successful?

        He spoke of cuts and loopholes, where do you think the Big Bird story comes from, the false 500 billion story came from? The question is since Obama's 4 year policies failed, what will he do different to change things.


        Budget that was proposed, passed the House and obstructed in the Senate by Harry Reid.

        http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D … /~bdRIWK::

        1. pagesvoice profile image85
          pagesvoiceposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          As governor of Massachusetts these are some of Romney's earth shattering statistics:

          Brace yourself NRA members because he increased  gun licensing fees by 400%.

          From 2003 - 2005 his State was the only one with 3 straight years of a shrinking labor force.

          Homeowners saw their property taxes increase higher than anytime in decades.

          There was the hidden tax on death when he raised cremation fees by 50%.

          Within 3 years State spending increased by more than 24%.

          Veterans beware because he also proposed raising fees on hospitalized veterans.

          When his term ended the State was left with a $1 billion deficit.

          He ordered all Catholic hospitals to dispense emergency contraception.

          He proposed cutting hiring preferences for veterans.

          He has flip flopped on pro choice, stem cell research, gay marriage, Universal Health Care, Reagan's legacy, taxes and even the NRA.

          I won't even get into the outsourcing of jobs at the cost of American workers or the $100 million fine for Medicare fraud of a company he was a Board member of.

          Yup...good old Willard Mitt Romney...he is quite the snake charmer.

          1. American View profile image60
            American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Please cite your sources for these claims.

            According to the Massachusetts web site historical records, the budget was balanced and he left with unemployment lower than when he took office, it was 4.6% when his term ended. Does not sound like people were losing jobs.

            "The swearing in of Romney as the 70th governor of Massachusetts took place on January 2, 2003.[179] Romney faced a Massachusetts state legislature with large Democratic majorities in both houses, and had picked his cabinet and advisors based more on managerial abilities than partisan affiliation.[180][181] He declined a governor's salary of $135,000 during his term.[182] Upon entering office in the middle of a fiscal year, he faced an immediate $650 million shortfall and a projected $3 billion deficit for the next year.[169] Unexpected revenue of $1.0–1.3 billion from a previously enacted capital gains tax increase and $500 million in new federal grants decreased the deficit to $1.2–1.5 billion.[183][184] Through a combination of spending cuts, increased fees, and removal of corporate tax loopholes,[183] the state achieved surpluses of around $600–700 million during Romney's last two full fiscal years in office, although it began running deficits again after that.[nb 12]"

            Notice it said it began running deficits AFTER Romney left office as Governor

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romne … sachusetts

            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/stretc … neys-fees/

            1. pagesvoice profile image85
              pagesvoiceposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am so pleased to tell you that the information you question was obtained from...are you ready...none other than the right of center conservative blog RedState.com.

              1. American View profile image60
                American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So show them

                1. pagesvoice profile image85
                  pagesvoiceposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The report is 200 pages long.

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    200, is that all. Will seem like a walk in the park compared to when I read Obamacare, twice. I went to the web site and there does not appear to be a report. I have to think since you made quotes from it you read all of it. I would like to read it since what you posted was not accurate and I showed the true numbers. So, cite the source, provide the link, I would appreciate it.

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            pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Where did you get your talking points from? David Azelrod? Give us all a break.  You sound like a complete IDIOT!

        2. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
          Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, Romne was successful.  That doesn't mean he cares about  your success if you make less than a billion dollars.  Obama was able to get a lot done despite  congress.  Opposition is not failure.  He has been fighting for us while you fight for a man who couldn't give a damn about you. He who bites the hand that feeds him will lick the boot that kicks him.

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            "He has been fighting for us while you fight for a man who couldn't give a damn about you."

            Please define who you mean by "us" because Obama has done nothing "for" me.

            "He who bites the hand that feeds him will lick the boot that kicks him."

            Sounds like a threat to all that oppose Barack Hussein Obama.

            1. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
              Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              By "us" I mean people who make less than a billion dollars.   If you don't make a billion dollars, rest assured you're not in the group Romney cares about.

              The "boot that kicks you" will be Romney. That's the threat.  How can you champion a man who lies unabashedly?  His lies may sound good, but they are still lies.

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                The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                "If you don't make a billion dollars, rest assured you're not in the group Romney cares about."

                roll Just that much more liberal BS. I wasn't expecting a serious response and I wasn't disappointed.

                The only lies I've been hearing are those of Barack Hussein Obama. You may not want to see it but I guess your freedom doesn't matter much as long as you're taken care of.

                1. Mighty Mom profile image91
                  Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well then you must be listening with only your partially deaf right ear then.

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                    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    No, MM, I might be 50 but I still hear perfectly out of both. I also have 3 children, 28, 22 & 4. I know a lie when I hear one.

    2. S G Hupp profile image84
      S G Huppposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, Xenonlit.  I don't know which clip you saw, but the one you posted had absolutely no bearing on your rather strange, irrational statement.

      "He is clearly a pathological and habitual liar. He has poor control over his explosive temper. He giggles when confronted about disturbing behavior he has done in the past.

      Who is stupid enough to vote for a man who has poor self control, an explosive temper, and is unable to tell the truth."

      Had you been paying attention to the fact checking from both the left and right you would know that the whole "liar, liar pants on fire" taunts that are being directed at Romney from the left are just not holding any water. 
      There tends to be a lot of selective manipulation of numbers and facts on both sides for the purpose of bolstering the two sides of the current presidential race but  a "pathological and habitual liar" ? Really?
      I personally know that as an intelligent, voting adult I have a responsibility to avoid baseless, histrionic accusations and educate myself in spite of all of the spin.

      What I saw was a candidate exercising an enormous amount of self control while a radio talk show host repeatedly, blindly tried to assign
      political view points to him based on his Mormanism.  He kept saying that he believes his religious beliefs are seperate from his political beliefs and that he understands that what is best for him personally isn't always going to best for the rest of the country.  Yet the dim interviewer was so frantic to vilify Romney that he continued to argue with him. 

      As for the "giggling" comment?  What are you talking about?
      There was some discussion about how his views on abortion have evolved over time.  What's wrong with that?  MY personal views on a number of topics have evolved over time--some with maturity, some due to life experiences.  How does admitting that make you a liar? If you ask me, it makes you a grown up.

      And seriously, since lying was your topic, the only thing I'm seeing in the news right now that appears to actually be a set of  lies, came from the Obama administration as they tried to do damage control in the wake of the murder of our ambassador to Libya on 9/11.

      1. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yawn.

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        Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "I personally know that as an intelligent, voting adult I have a responsibility to avoid baseless, histrionic accusations and educate myself in spite of all of the spin."

        So why would you vote for a man that has flip flopped on nearly every issue, and that lied to try and win a debate in front of 60 million people? 

        Obama is going to fight back in the next debate.  The moderator failed letting Romney lie like he did. 

        Newsflash: he refuses to specify which deductions he will reduce, he WILL NOT COVER people with pre-existing conditions, and he will voucherize Medicare.

        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct= … gKhq4STwmw

        http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/romney-plan.cfm  There's the study on his plan.

        http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/ … ?mobile=nc  That's Romney endorsing the FIRST Ryan budget, which completely voucherized the Medicare program.

        If you are an "informed" voter, you know this stuff already though.

        1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image92
          Dr Billy Kiddposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          As you note, flip-flopping is probably the key issue here. But I did not like the tape were Romney called half of all Americans moochers.I would not have believed it if I had not seen it. Running my own business, I'd had many years where I'd be defined as a moocher, even while working 60 hour weeks.

          1. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            He does not relate to the American people. Are we even real to him? I'd be defined as a moocher, putting in 15 and 16 hour days keeping our planes in the air and our bases supplied. Was it even worth it, if America will elect such a person?

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            Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            As would be veterans and the elderly.

            1. Xenonlit profile image60
              Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Ryan would take us all out.

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                pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                We can only hope!

          3. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
            Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            As a person with not one, but two disabilities, I guess I'm a moocher too. I once had to loan money to a neighbor whose job wasn't paying enough for carfare to get to work.  Those are the kinds of jobs Mitt will create for Americans. When corporations can pay us just enough so we can't claim to be slaves, they'll come back and the economy will improve.

      3. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
        Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Even the debate moderator caught Romney trying to lie about what Obama did the day after the Libya murder.

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      The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Xenonlit wrote: "He is clearly a pathological and habitual liar. He has poor control over his explosive temper. He giggles when confronted about disturbing behavior he has done in the past.

      Who is stupid enough to vote for a man who has poor self control, an explosive temper, and is unable to tell the truth."


      Sounds like the perfect description of your president, Xenonlit.

      Which begs the question.

      Who would vote for Barack Hussein Obama?

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "Who is stupid enough to vote for a man who has poor self control, an explosive temper, and is unable to tell the truth."

        As my grandfather used to say, he 's (Romney) "pretty slippery."

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          The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          AND OBAMA ISN'T?!?!?!?

          Come on, Deeds, you're smarter than that!!!!!

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Nope! Obama isn't.

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              The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, my opinion of you just changed dramatically and downward, Deeds. Keep chugging that liberal kool-aide.

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          pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Obama has no self control. Only that which his handlers give him. He is a prop and useless.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image91
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Please cite specifics for these accusations.
            When/where have you ever seen President Obama lack self-control?

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              Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Many times.
              Like tonight.  He was visibly nervous; that showed in the tone of his voice from the start.
              But the most telling thing was when he (as usual when he's faced with a question he can't deal with) accused Romney of being "offensive".    He uses attack mode when people point out the truth and he doesn't want to face it.   THAT's lack of control.    Pretty typical of most liberals. 
              No one can rightly accuse Romney of being out of control.   Matter of fact, he showed considerable self-control by not letting Obama's manipulations and lies and accusations rile him up too much.

              1. Mighty Mom profile image91
                Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That's an interesting take on the debate.
                Most people (per the polls and commentary and analysis) saw exactly what you saw.
                Only everything you say about Obama is how Romney acted tonight.

              2. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
                Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Obama answered the questions.  It was Romney who attacked not only Obama but even attacked the moderator when she caught him in a lie.  You want to generalize about liberals, but it was the Republicans who wined about how unfair the moderator and the questioners were for demanding that Romney play by the rules.  If King Romney becomes president, even his son is prepared to punch the lights out of anyone who dares to hold him accountable when he lies.

                1. movingout profile image60
                  movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't think Romney has any answers or real plans? It's all a big secret! Oh, that's right! He will release the details after he's elected! Yeah, right! How anyone can vote on a whim and a prayer he will do the right thing, is beyond me!

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Why not?  Our glorious leaders, those that we have entrusted to do what is best for the country and that had our best interests in mind, voted for Obamacare without ever knowing what was in the package. 

                    The population in general, so much less capable that the leaders we put in congress to run our lives for us, might as well vote for something they know nothing about as well.  Can't do any worse.

                2. Mighty Mom profile image91
                  Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The wormy apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it?
                  lol

        3. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
          Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Slippery as wet ice and as sharp as a bowling ball.

      2. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That is truly juvenile and racist. Typical righty.

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          The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Your original post was the most "in-the-tank, liberal koolaide-drinking" drivel I've read during this election.

          Your original question was leading and, yes, I know that was your purpose, making you loose even more credibility, if that's possible. And, your opening remarks applied to Barack Hussein Obama, not Romney.

          If either of us is racist, that would be you, Xenonlit. Your biggest problem is you don't like that I called you on it.

        2. movingout profile image60
          movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          @Xenonlit...Most Republicans aren't racist. But having said that, let me elaborate more. If two Republicans meet, they carefully feel out what their friend is saying. Ea: Does he feel black Americans are equals or not? If they think he hates Black Americans, so does he. If he thinks his friend does feel Black Americans are equals so he. Therein lies the problem with so many! Will they admit it?  No! And btw I'm an old white guy, been around the block a time or two! Too many whites "fear black Americans!. And if they say otherwise, they're kidding themselves! Here in the south when traveling thru Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana I've been shocked at the finger pointing (how many shop owners Watch black shoppers and not white ones) and use the "N" word when the shoppers leave. No, again, you're right! Racism is still running rampant in this country and many are afraid of a Black POTUS!

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            JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Wow.

            I'm sorry, but the only conclusion is that you are projecting your own mindset.

            If two black Republicans meet, they feel each other out to see if the other is racist or not? And if the other is racist, he agrees?

            1. movingout profile image60
              movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              For anyone to say racism isn't at an all time high at this time is fooling themselves. And yes, I'm sure some black Republicans do the same thing!

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                JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                No. YOU SAID ALL REPUBLICANS WILL ACT RACIST if they meet another republican who does.

                FYI, you just called most of my friends and family racists. That's a pathetic thing to do.

                Get over it. It's possible to dislike someone who has dark skin, for their policies and actions, just as it is possible to dislike someone who has light skin, for their policies and actions. Get over yourself and stop calling people racists.

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                  The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Jaxson, racism is the only thing some libs have to use against thought and reason. They can't use their president's record because it's so bad.

                  Movingout can say "When two Republicans meet . . ." all he wants but most Libs I know just start screaming "racist" if someone disagrees with them or expresses a dislike for Obama's policies. It's a surefire sign they have NOTHING else of any substance to bring to the table.

                  Honestly, I think movingout has more to offer than that but there are some real liberal kook-aide drinkers here on HubPages. I don't think movingout is a liberal.

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                    pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Amen

                2. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
                  Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I need to write a hub or start a forum on exactly what racism is.  You are right. it is more than a sentiment of like or dislike.  Movingout is also right in that it still exists.  While I've yet to meet a White person who is willing to take upon him/herself the label "racist." there are conditions that exist in society that anyone can contribute to. even when their "best friend is Black."

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                    JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you saying that every white person is racist?

                  2. Reality Bytes profile image94
                    Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    It appears you have difficulty in dealing with individuals without internally separating them by race, this alone speaks volumes.  Think about it!   smile

                  3. JSChams profile image60
                    JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I have a hub about that Rhonda that you are welcome to read at my profile.

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          pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Amazing!

      3. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh,, you mean the man you and your ilk have been lying about for four years? What is with the lying? Why do you and your candidate do it?

    4. Shanna11 profile image91
      Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'm literally choking on the over-exaggerated propaganda here.

      Yuck. Reality check, anyone?

      1. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's called the truth and the righties choke on it all the time.

        1. Marlene Mendoza profile image60
          Marlene Mendozaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Apparently you didn't call the truth because when some one presented you with many facts I believe you replied "Yawn". Wow that is being an informed voter. Don't get stuck on Obama just because the media plays him up find the facts for yourself and maybe people will respect your opinion more.

          1. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Your facts are as good as Ryan was in last night's debate. You are still avoiding the topic and you still avoid answering the question.

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              pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And you did, Xenonlit, how?

          2. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Pcoach, address the topic or get your sad fifteen minutes of fame somewhere else.

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              The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Xenonlit, you started this forum based on a leading question with the sole purpose of insulting Romney. Then, when you get negative feedback, like a true "in-the-tank" liberal, you start screaming everything from racism to staying on topic but nothing of true substance. roll Just one more classic example that the Obama campaign is imploding.

              President Mitt Romney and Vice President Paul Ryan. Come January 20, 2013, get use to it. I think it sounds GOOD but not near as good as FORMER President Barack Hussein Obama.

          3. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
            Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            When did the media ever play Obama up?  Like the Republicans, the media has been attacking Obama from day one.   So now, calling a liar a liar is seen as over exaggeration?  And a s long as he tells people the lies they want to hear, his word is taken as fact?  Look at the ruthless way Romney gained his wealth.  The past is the visible future.  Those are the facts.

            1. HowardBThiname profile image89
              HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Rhonda, Obama's been the media's darling from the get go. They gave him a pass on nearly everything he did - and he had the Hollywood crowd in his pocket as well. Now that he's losing support it's got to be tough for him to see the media starting to turn its back. But, that's his fault, he was the golden child.

              1. Mighty Mom profile image91
                Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Did you watch or pay attention to ANY of the media coverage of Obama's first debate performance?
                There was not a single media outlet or news analysist who gave him a pass.
                All were universally brutal on him.
                That includes MSNBC.

                1. susansisk profile image81
                  susansiskposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Debate tonight, and again the poll by my local station is putting President Obama as the winner.

                  1. Mighty Mom profile image91
                    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Stay tuned.
                    That will soon be spun 180.
                    Get ready for:
                    The moderator lied.
                    The moderator gave more time to Obama.
                    The moderator interrupted Romney 28 times but Obama only 27 times.
                    The moderator and Obama clearly are in cahoots to game the system.
                    Obama has no record to run on, so he resorts to silly word games.
                    Obama has been on an apology tour around the world for 4 years.
                    Obama didn't bring the Iraq troops home. He merely followed the timeline laid out by Bush.
                    Obama didn't get bin Laden. That's a lie.
                    Obama dissed Israel by not meeting with Bibi in NY.
                    Before Obama, we were safe from terrorists. Now we're not.
                    Obama is weak on China.
                    Obama is weak on Iran.
                    Obama is weak on Libya.
                    Obama is weak on Syria.
                    Obama is weak on Egypt.
                    Obama is weak on Russia.
                    Obama is weak on Lichtenstein.

                    Obama is weak on

      2. HowardBThiname profile image89
        HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not choking on it, Shanna, but I'm laughing at the obvious desperation coming from Team Obama. This is just funny. One of those "If you live in a glass house - better watch where you throw those stones."

        Fascinating.

    5. SallyTX profile image87
      SallyTXposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, his wife (the underhanded horse trader who tried to sell a drugged, lame horse) says that the main thing to be worried about is his mental stability "obviously" she says! I'd stand up and take notice of that!
      ;D

    6. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Actually in that clip I think he is talking quite sensibly about how personal religious beliefs are separate to political policies. The presenter on the other hand seems to be a bit of an idiot.

    7. KFlippin profile image59
      KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Giggles . . . that's about all I get from this, and the giggles are my own at the desperate nature of the topic.  Any President, or candidate for POTUS, has a healthy narcissim, they better be confident in either their self, or in the their ability to sustain the image the money people who prop them up and make them appear to be . . . when it is something they are not.........  Obama clearly has a conception of truth telling that most Americans do not - the Libya debacle that the mainstream media has been told to speak lightly of and carry an eraser stick - proves that clearly, but . . .  history will record it properly.

      1. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
        Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'll say it again.  In Tuesday's debate, both Obama and the moderator laid to rest the Libya question, exposing Romney and the right wing media as liars.  It's not an insult to call a liar a liar.

        1. Reality Bytes profile image94
          Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That is good to know as I have never held any issues about calling Barack Obama the liar that he is!  I am glad there are those that agree he should not be insulted as these shoes should fit perfectly.  smile


          http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDtyg3YCwOHHqa6nj93FT6Q_juEt9bCByi7YajG1ynwWu3C-fabA

        2. JSChams profile image60
          JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I will say THIS again. They had to interrupt as often as possible to get Mitt to shut up.

          That is all.

    8. HowardBThiname profile image89
      HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Obama beats Romney in the lie department - hands down.

      I can't figure out why anyone still supports Obama after his complete lies, flip-flops, and failed policies.

      I guess we will always have a measure of Americans that vote on emotion...not logic.

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And of course there are a ton of people who feel the same way about the other side, really it's sections of both.

        Remember you have massive sections of the Republican vote based on A) Religion B) Obama is a Muslim C) Obama is a Kenyan D) opposition to gay marriage etc. etc. etc

        Glasshouses.

      2. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And here come the stones! This post is about the mental instability that Romney has displayed: the habitual lying, disconnect with other humans and bizarre past behavior.

        1. HowardBThiname profile image89
          HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          When we're discussion a candidate - we have to compare him to his opponent. In this case, Obama has demonstrated that he's a bigger liar and he's a warmonger. An illegal warmonger.

          You have to weigh these things out. Politicians are all scum. You just have to figure out which one is scummier...and vote for the other. In this case, the least scummy is Romney.

          We know what we're getting with Obama - and it's not good. Hopefully, folks will think and not just cast emotional votes, although I'm seeing strong evidence that very thing may happen.

    9. susansisk profile image81
      susansiskposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I have received so many untrue Republican supported chain emails, that I started doing research on Mitt Romney.  This resulted in a hub that I recently published about his constant changing of position and untruths.  He is trying to pass himself off as being just like a Southern Baptist.
      My hub is titled "Deceived by a Southern Mormon".

    10. wifeymama822 profile image59
      wifeymama822posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Forget all the weird creepy things about him and just focus on his tax plan...the TAX POLICY CENTER proved his plan to be IMPOSSIBLE! It cant be done! So in my opinion there's nothing left about him to vote for..if he cant do anything then hes nothing but a waste!
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opini … -math.html

      1. HowardBThiname profile image89
        HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A president's tax plan is just that - a plan. It's not set in stone, and most never happen anyway, because they have to pass Congress. Compare that to Obamacare that actually passed and is going to set this nation back to the Dark Ages....fiscally.

        Makes a simple "plan" look pretty benign.

  2. American View profile image60
    American Viewposted 4 years ago

    Yea, who would want to vote for this guy.


    The Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:

    1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura.
    Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.

    2. Been married to one woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her,
    including through her bouts with breast cancer and multiple sclerosis.

    3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)

    4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" even if necessary.

    5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and
    Harvard Business School ..
    .and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.

    6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs,
    not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college.
    Too square for today's America ?

    7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church,
    didn't screw around and worked hard to become successful!

    8. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab.
    But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America 's scorn.

    9. Oh yes, he's a Mormon. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches
    its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.

    10. And finally . . . pundits say because of his wealth, he can't relate to ordinary Americans.
    I guess that's because he made that money himself, as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad.
    Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money
    made you unrelatable to Americans.

    My goodness, it's a strange world, isn't it?

    Personal Information:

    His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney

    He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

    His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan

    He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan

    He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they have five children.

    Education:

    B.A. from Brigham Young University ,

    J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

    Religion: Mormon

    Working Background:
    After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

    After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously,
    he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.

    In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm,
    one of the largest such firms in the United States .

    In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

    He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

    In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts
    where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

    Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

    Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts ,
    turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

    Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again,
    with companies like Domino's,
     
    Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King,
    Warner Music Group,
    Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others.

    He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

    He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years.

    He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

    He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

    He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

    He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

    Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country
    but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money,
    service and time than most men.

    And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income....
    Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

    Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

    He will show us his birth certificate

    He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

    He will show us his social security card.

    He will show us his law degree.

    He will show us his draft notice.

    He will show us his medical records.

    He will show us he has nothing to hide.

    Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a
    great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States .

    You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected.
    At least I know what religion he is, and that he won't desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers,
    or practice fiscal irresponsibility. I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle
    that the current regime has gotten us into. We won't like all the things necessary
    to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney's background can do it.

    But, on the minus side, he never was a "Community Organizer", never took drugs or smoked pot,
    never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists,
    nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US !!!

    1. Mitch Alan profile image86
      Mitch Alanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      American View,
      Well put...

    2. Reality Bytes profile image94
      Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah but, hows his golf game?   lol

      1. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Does Mitt even play golf? One pundit said people shouldn't vote for a prez who doesn't drink. Perhaps golfing is also a prerequisite. lol

        1. Reality Bytes profile image94
          Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I heard on the news last night that our Ambassador was killed, not by protesters, but by armed and trained professorial soldiers.  THERE WAS NO PROTEST!  The administration LIED about a video!  LIED!

          IMO, it is all over the lady is singing, just have to wait until the first week of November!

          New Details From Libya Consulate Attack: State Department Abandons Claim Of Protest Outside Gates

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/0 … 53057.html

          Straight out LIES from the administration, the people will wake up to this.  I made sure the link was from the huff and puffington, so the source is secure! smile

      2. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        LMAO   lol

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      The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent post, AV, but when some look through the rose-colored glasses they look through, even the likes of Barack Hussein Obama could look good. They must be dark enough they make them blind to the truth.

    4. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      ".and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed. "

      Have they been published? If so, where? My understanding is that college academic records are not released unless specifically authorized by the graduate. That is all records are sealed unless released by the graduate. Has Romney released his Harvard academic records. News to me.

      His tax records are a different story? Wonder why?

      1. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Have they been released, no. But you missed the point, they are available with the  Romney's permission. Obama on the other hand had his record sealed, wonder why?

        Romney releasing any more tax returns does nothing to solve the issues at hand.What would they do for you Ralph? All they would do is show he paid taxes and no matter how much the left will cry not enough.

        By the way, the American people are getting wise to the BS statements of how they pay more taxes than Romney. They realize that the average taxpayer shells out around 8% on average in taxes, 6% less than the 14% Romney pays.

        http://www.pgpf.org/Issues/Taxes/2012/0 … ainer.aspx

    5. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Add racist, pathological and did we mention 29 lies told during one single debate?

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Come one Xenonlit, if a Conservative says something and a liberal calls it a lie, we all know it's anything but. I question the judgement of anyone who voted for Obama the first time and their sanity if they intend to do so a second time.

      2. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        YAWN!!!!

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Or, making profit even when you fail.  Socialism much?

    7. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed."

      Please provide a link to Mitt's Harvard academic records.

      BAINPORT, ILLINOIS
      Bain just closed its Sensata factory, one of the only three plants in Freeport, Illinois and moved the work to China. To rub salt in the wound, Bain brought workers from China and had the Freeport workers train them for the work.  Romney continues to receive income from his Bain holdings.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=Bain+cl … mp;bih=813

      http://www.democracynow.org/2012/9/20/b … lant_where

  3. Mitch Alan profile image86
    Mitch Alanposted 4 years ago

    What specific lies are you referring to? Can you cite specific?
    And by your own definition I'm assuming you won't be voting for Obama either?
    He said that if we passed the stimulus package unemployment would not go above 6%, it's been over 8% his entire term.
    He said he would cut the deficit in half and instead he doubled it.
    He claimed Bush administration policies were to blame for high gas price, under Obama's administration they have gone higher.
    He said Obama care wasn't a tax and wouldn't increase costs...it was found to be a tax by the Supreme court and costs are already rising.
    He said he had no knowledge of the Fast and Furious gun issue, then claimed executive privilege.
    Just to name a few.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Mitch, the left is only concerned with lies when they're told by conservatives. Get with the program, man!

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "He said that if we passed the stimulus package unemployment would not go above 6%, it's been over 8% his entire term."

        I don't believe he said that. One of his economic advisers said something to that effect that the stimulus bill would keep unemployment below 8 percent. If you have a citation quoting Obama I'd be surprised.

        1. kathleenkat profile image89
          kathleenkatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I don't care who said it, but 6% or 8% are a gross underestimate of the number of unemployed people. It does not include:

          -People not collecting unemployment.
          -People forced to retire because they cannot find work.
          -People forced to work part-time jobs because they can't find full time jobs.
          -Unemployed college graduates who are still living with/dependent on their parents because they can't find a job.

          If I were to throw out a number (since, in politics it's nothing but undocumented numbers, anyway) I would say 16% unemployment.

          Obama didn't make any (noticeable) improvements to this.

        2. habee profile image91
          habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Did I say that? That's not what I was referring to, anyway, Ralph. Do you think Obama never lies?

          But since you brought it up, the POTUS presented a report by Bernstein and Romer that said UE would be 5.6 by now, with the stimulus/Obama recovery plan. It was put out by Obama's office. It's on the graph, about page 3 or 4:

          http://otrans.3cdn.net/ee40602f9a7d8172b8_ozm6bt5oi.pdf

          Did Obama actually SAY UE would be 5.6% by now? I doubt it, but since he offered the report as proof his plan would work, I'm assuming he agreed with it.

          I'm not even blaming Obama for this completely. There are too many factors of which he had no control. But for libs to hammer Romney for lying while giving the prez a pass is just unbelievable. Yes, I admit that Romney has stretched the truth at times, but most libs refuse to believe that Obama has. The politician I support is not always completely truthful. There - see how easy that is?

          1. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That's because you people lie so much! Not once to you mention the do nothing house of Representatives and your own party leaders who blather on about destroying the first Black president at any cost.  Those are lies of omission.

            1. habee profile image91
              habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, not with the "you people" remark again! Which "you people" are you referring to? Whites, white conservatives, white moderates, or conservatives, in general?  You're obviously one of the libs who think the only reason people don't support Obama is because he's black. That's really sad. What about conservatives who supported Hermain Cain? Last time I checked, he's black, too.

              If you could see through your anger long enough, you'd see that I most certainly HAVE made comments about Congress. Just recently, I said if Obama is re-elected, I hope Congress will work with him to get something done.

              1. Xenonlit profile image60
                Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                By the way, have you thought about the mental stability of candidates for president lately or not?

                1. JSChams profile image60
                  JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Tell you what....the moment you actually make a reasonable case.....I said reasonable...that Mitt has a mental stability issue some of us might take it seriously.
                  How does someone who is mentally unstable lead a state and a company that brought prosperity to many companies and it's employees? Turn around the Olympics?

                  I am one of those who has read much and I do mean much of your posting and frankly you lean way to much on a racism card that is worn out and no one buys anymore. Now you want to foray off somewhere else and you really don't have any gas left for the engine.

        3. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I believe you are correct, his lackeys said it wouldn't go above 8%. So I guess my question is since it did go above 8% and has stayed there what exactly is your point other than to point out she made a 2% mistake?

  4. jonnycomelately profile image86
    jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago

    Please pardon me for entering this discussion amongst you Americans, but the person who will be elected President of the United States of America does affect my life, as it does most other people in the whole wide world.
    We don't have any say in who is elected.  We just suffer the fallout.   
    As far as I can see, it's not just the one person who becomes President, but also every influential person and organisation behind the President that we need to worry about.   Who is really pulling the strings?   Who really sets the agenda?  What ulterior motives do those back-stage entities work to? 
    The United States will get the President it deserves.   If only a small percentage of the population has the energy and concern to get out there and vote, it will be a minority that determines the political and economic outcomes, not just for America but for the world.
    You can all make a big, important, beneficial difference if you open your eyes, your ears, your hearts, your prejudices, your intelligence ---- then make a choice which is well informed instead of biased.
    Be honest.  With your own preconceived ideas.  Open your minds to possibilities other than what you find "nice and comfortable."
    IMHO.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Frankly, we don't need the advice since you can't VOTE here.

      1. Shanna11 profile image91
        Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Frankly, that's a very close-minded response.

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          No it's not. Let him prove that his country would invite OUR advice on their elections. I don't believe in telling people from other countries what to do when they elect their leaders. I find it quite arrogant and offensive.

          1. Shanna11 profile image91
            Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Does the US have an isolationist policy currently that I'm not aware of? Have we withdrawn from a highly globalized and interconnected world where the elections in one country most certainly affect other countries?

            The US meddles in the foreign affairs and elections of other countries all the time. Kind of hypocritical of us to get huffy when foreigners simply offer advice about our own....

            1. Xenonlit profile image60
              Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What part of not telling people what to think or do when it's not wanted are you having problems with?

              1. Shanna11 profile image91
                Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Go be rude and snitty to someone else. You aren't worth a second more of my time.

                1. Xenonlit profile image60
                  Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  How about you not showing up here again? You people can dish it day after day, but you sure cannot take it!

                  1. lone77star profile image89
                    lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow! Such arrogance! Such self-importance.

                    Divisive.

                    Weak.

          2. jonnycomelately profile image86
            jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Xenonlit, people from your country have not simply voiced their opinion about ours, who's to say they have not actually influenced the outcome of our elections?  We live in a very small world now, where the actions of one country, especially one as big as the USA do, very much, influence the lives of everyone else.  So, you are out of order insulting my contribution.
            Here in Australia, we have compulsory voting.  Some individuals still vote "informally," that is their right and choice - they might for example put something on the card which disqualifies the vote - but generally speaking most of us value our vote.  It's not perfect, but we still have a democracy and we still exercise a freedom second-to-none.
            If you actually read and absorbed the contents of my previous post, maybe you could discuss what you disagree with, then we would understand you a bit more.   Every point of view needs to be heard, even if we disagree.

            1. habee profile image91
              habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I, along with some others on this thread, welcome your input. What happens in the USA often has far reaching consequences.

              1. lone77star profile image89
                lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Wonderful, @habee.

                No one can learn anything if their cup is already full. America is headed for oblivion and pulling the rest of the world over the cliff with it.

                It's Germany 80 years ago, all over again -- only on a far larger scale.

            2. lone77star profile image89
              lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Bravo, @Jonny!

            3. Mom Kat profile image86
              Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You do make a very valid point.  You're not saying one way or the other; you're just saying that we should be informed.  Great advice for anyone!
              I agree that people tend to vote with their hearts, rather than their heads.  All too often the passion they feel for their beliefs clouds their judgement.

              When you close your eyes to the truth and call it a lie just because you don't like it, doesn't make it a lie.  Just as a lie that you wan't to hear doesn't mean its the truth just because you like it. 

              Sadly, many of my fellow Americans have yet to absorb and learn this lesson.

              1. jonnycomelately profile image86
                jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I would like to point to the positive.   
                There is lots of great work going on in the United States, as there is elsewhere all over the world.  One does not need to speak the English language in order to be smart.
                I see science, technology, art, social discourse, all being pursued for excellence by many people.  Yes, there are silly and unintelligent happenings, like pollution,  waste generation, plastics, global warming, etc.  But there is, I believe, a sort of child-like passion in many people....they go after their passion to the n'th degree, to "get things right," find the answers, come up with something that really works and benefits everyone.  This child-like passion is not "childish."  I don't mean that word.  The child-like passion is a constructive and learning quality.   There is lots and lots of it portrayed on the Internet, you only need to Google something and there is an enormous wealth of information there.
                Just vote in someone who is going to advance our lives and try to ward off those who would drag us down in the gutter again. 
                This I agree applies to us here in Australia as well, of course it does.
                It's a beautiful world, and if you are a Christian maybe you should be working to keep it the way you believe you God would want you to.  And see if the claim to be christian is a genuine one or not.
                Being divisive in politics or religion does not advance us at all.   So we don't need to be "the Right," or the "Left."  Just open and cooperative.

                1. Mom Kat profile image86
                  Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well that's the problem here jonnycamelately, the right side & the left side are so busy saying "the right side is right & the left side sucks" or "the left side is right & the right side sucks" ~ that nothing CAN be done.  It's a battle over the wrong issues.
                  Many republicans refuse to vote democrat just because they are republicans and they want "their man" in office, regardless of whether or not he's best suited to be there.
                  Just as there are some democrats that refuse to vote republican for the same reason. 
                  Honestly I wish there was a way to get rid of those two titles.  It shouldn't be elephant vs donkey.  It should be presidential candidate vs presidential candidate.

                  1. habee profile image91
                    habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Kat, that is sooooo true! I've voted for numerous Democrats, but I have 2 lib pals who admit they'd vote for ANYONE who had a D behind his or her name. I just don't get it.

              2. Xenonlit profile image60
                Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It is sad, Mom Kat. I was just as angry with Clinton for lying about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. But I did not worry about him having a psychotic break or being unable to relate to other people as human beings.  I know why the extreme right is willing to put up with the worst that a person can be. It has nothing to do with Mitt's qualifications.

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            matama ellieposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            As a Kenyan i can tell you that US does try to meddle in our affairs every single day.Thankfully we have a president at the moment who could care less about what US thinks but i recognize that it will not always be the case.
            So for the person who just said that US never tells anyone how to vote, that is not true.
            Mots of use would prefer if you keep your  'advice' to yourselves but since that is not always the case, then we have a right to comment on your elections as well.
            That being he case, i think that most Americans like supporting extreme vies and rarely do they meet anywhere in the middle.
            So what if you do not agree on abortion, homosexuality etc etc, can't you guys just find something to agree on no matter what side of the politically divide you are on? No country is prefect but you have to try and meet in the middle, seriously.

            1. Reality Bytes profile image94
              Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Speaking from a personal perspective, the opinions of individuals worldwide concerning the affairs of the United States is not only welcome, it is helpful.  What happens here in the U.S. does impact the world as a whole, and although you do not have a say in Americas activity, you have every right to hold and voice your opinion.

              BTW, I do agree with your post.  smile
               

              Every American wants to live in a peaceful and prosperous world.  I am sure this thought is worldwide, as individuals, there is much more to agree on then disagree.  Human beings could coexist peacefully, it is government that continues to have issues with each other.

              1. Quilligrapher profile image90
                Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7198708_f248.jpg
                http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

      2. lone77star profile image89
        lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        @Xenonlit, your pig-headed, egotistical attitude makes me ashamed to be American, if this is what is becoming of the "land of the free and home of the brave." Petty bickering and ego thumping.

        The inability to learn from others and the close-mindedness you portray are the types of attitudes that will eventually kill this country. And the power elite are counting on your kind of divisiveness to keep things stirred up.

        Yes, what happens in America affects the rest of the world, so everyone on this planet has a vested interested in what happens in America.

        Right now, our economy is a complex Pyramid Scheme that has grown for the last century since the very private Federal Reserve started making dollars out of debt + interest. There is no way ever to pay off that debt, because you need to create more debt (dollars) in order to pay off the existing debt. Those who skim off the top hope that they will survive the coming Bubble POP and it will pop as the national debt continues to accelerate under first Bush and now Obama.

        Nothing either Romney or Obama say about the economy can fix this insanity. Those who hide their heads in the sand will be the ones who will not survive. I regret that.

        Awareness and proactive action is the only thing that will save any of the 99%. The coming storm will be the greatest social catastrophe in the history of humanity -- far bigger than any world war -- far bigger than the fall of the Roman Empire or the Bubonic Plague.

        @Xenonlit, your kind of attitude feeds ignorance. You wallow in it.

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        BuildingHomesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wow, and you call us racist and close minded, Xenonlit? Typical Democrat, the do as I say not as I do mentality.

    2. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Mr. Lately. big_smile

      This is sound advice that every American should heed. Thank you for reminding us that this election has global implications that over shadow petty loyalties and biases.

  5. kathleenkat profile image89
    kathleenkatposted 4 years ago

    Oh, Xenonlit, do you ever stop? Romney is not only pathological, but "clearly" pathological? The message is unclear to me. How is his mental state affected by disease? In what way? I would say that you insult Romney and Rublicans far more often than they insult you. You seem to have an agenda here on these forums. Do you ever think that all the posts you make smearing Romney's name will actually change voter's minds?

    Us Americans are smart enough to make informed decisions. And informed decisions do not include Xenonlit's posts on Hubpages.


    American View, thanks for posting all that information about Romney. I didn't know most of it. Most of the stuff I hear is about him is negative slander. Thanks, everyone, for turning this thread into something positive and constructive. smile

    Xenolit, in what way is Romney "pathological?" Do you have any proof? Or is it just speculation? I would really like to continue the discussion with you, as this accusation seems to be the main purpose of this thread.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Can you read?

  6. Hollie Thomas profile image59
    Hollie Thomasposted 4 years ago

    Don't know whether Romney is pathological, clearly pathological or demonstrates a complete inability to control his temper. But I do know this, the man has openly received very large donations from banks (such as Barclays) which have laundered drug money, ripped off their customers, fixed the Libor rate and once supported apartheid in South Africa. He doesn't sound very honorable to me- either that, or he's a complete ignormaous who doesn't even research whom he's taking money from. Either way, we're all goosed if this is the best that the US can come up with.

    1. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
      crazyhorsesghostposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I agree 100 percent. It's a sad day indeed when all the Republican or Democratic party can offer up is Romney or Obama. Both poor choices in my opinion. Both are out for their parties and do not have the interests of America at heart.

      The Unemployment rate as reported has never been right. Far too many people are not counted in these figures that should be. If the real figure was reported it would scare the hell out of the average American. That's the reason they ( both parties ) spin the numbers.

      There are many real issues facing America which are not being addressed by either candidate.  And no these are not state issues. These are American issues that should be being addressed by both political candidates.

      1. Hunger, Food Stamp Fraud , Medical Doughnut Holes , One in Six Americans is hungry. The food stamp program is not working. It never has. A simple solution would be to make the food stamp program more fraud proof. Putting the persons photo on the card and requiring that the person had to be the one using the card would cut a huge portion of fraud out of the program. Do you know there are many senior citizens including many veterans who can't pay their bills but they receive from $10 to $65 in food stamps for a month. How would you like to choose between food or heart medicine. Ever heard about a doughnut hole. No not the one you eat but the one that requires some seniors to either do with out medicine for part of the year or food. How would you like to have that choice. Neither candidate is addressing these issues. Neither before you start supporting either.

      2. NAFTA , yes the program supported by both fine parties that shipped all the textile jobs overseas. And turned many mid to large size cities in the American south into ghost towns. We need badly to cap imports into this country and it needs to be written in stone. Why did we send our jobs to Mexico and China. What did I miss here. And both parties supported NAFTA. But no current politician is screaming about it. None people. This is America. Remember the old commercials made in the USA. What happened. Call the White House and ask them. But I forgot that's not a issue they are dealing with. But they should be.

      3. Americas roads and bridges and many lakes are in trouble. In the next 20 - 40 years many are going to fail. Obama has mentioned it but has not pursued it. This could create a huge number of new jobs here in America. It must be done or bridges are going to start falling down.

      I could go on and on but I won't. Both the Democrat and Republican parties are at fault here. Both. We should not support either candidate. Neither. Not until they wake up and try to save America. You know the country we all live in. The same country both fine parties are from. Wake up America. It's later than you think.

      1. Quilligrapher profile image90
        Quilligrapherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Howdy Crazyhorseghost.  Mind if I comment on your post?

        There are many individual stories in the media about fraud in SNAP programs but have you ever researched the big picture about overall fraud? Food stamp programs in the US are 99% effective and that does not sound to me like they are not working. I hope you are not one of those political observers who have a story about a friend, a neighbor, or someone checking out at the supermarket. If you are going to judge the entire program then you have to examine the entire program and not draw conclusions from anecdotes. A Reuters item titled "U.S. targets food stamp fraud as election looms" dated 2/6/12 reveals food stamp fraud “accounts for just 1 percent of food stamp benefits.” {1}{2}Perhaps you missed it, Crazyhorseghost. President Obama’s first stimulus bill in 2009 included about $100B for infrastructure. It funded about 60 projects in California alone including the fourth bore in the Caldecott Tunnel connecting Oakland and Orinda and the Doyle Drive access road to the Golden Gate Bridge. {3}

        In Nov. 2011, Republicans in the Senate unanimously killed President Obama’s third attempt to stimulate jobs for building and repairing roads, rail lines, and other infrastructure projects. {4}

        Perhaps you also missed President Obama’s jobs and infrastructure initiative within the executive branch. He directed several federal agencies to identify high-impact, job-creating infrastructure projects within their jurisdictions that could be expedited without congressional approval. {5}While NAFTA has several issues both good and bad, your solutions smack of isolationism in an era of expanding global economies beyond our borders. It’s late now so I recommend you study the paper in footnote {6} that links to other assessments both pro and con. There will be a quiz on Monday. big_smile

        You may think Americans are asleep but not all of them are. You keep yourself well informed and in the know; others will be doing the same. While the presidential race is important, it gets more attention than the office deserves because it is the only elected position for which all Americans get to vote. We should all focus on our local congressional races. Congress is where the real power lies. 
        Q.
        {1} http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 … p-p/186094
        {2} http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-1 … -barometer
        {3} http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/ … 310834.php
        {4} http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 … 74539.html
        {5} http://transportation.nationaljournal.c … an-par.php
        {6} http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepoli … antage.htm

        1. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
          crazyhorsesghostposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I have worked with Catholic charities for the last 40 plus years in five US southern states. The food stamp program is filled with fraud. I can't tell you a percentage but I know of many people who sell their food stamps for 50 percent cash every month. And it is widespread not just isolated incidents.

          We have thousands of people who come to us for food in the five states asking for food. There is no way it is only 1 percent. No way.

          President Obama him self is the one that said the roads and bridges were and are falling down. I was there at a speech he gave in New Orleans in the lower 9th ward last June.

          I agree the republicans block important bills.

          That's why both fine parties need to be thrown out of office. All either fine party cares about is more political spin.

          It's only my opinion but I don't think either Obama or Romney should be President. If that's all the two parties could come up with for candidates then the USA is in one screwed up mess. I think we should also be allowed to vote for none of the above. Now that would be the day.

          When I see once busy American cities that used to be textile towns turned into ghost towns by NAFTA it's a sad day. I can't believe any American would support sending our jobs overseas. I think the politicians that did should be tried for treason. What ever happened to made in the USA. Remember that.

          And yes I know about Congress. I think there should be a one term limit for the Senate and Congress. This would clear up a lot of the issues. Oh and ban lobbyists.

          1. Mom Kat profile image86
            Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I worry that the government assistance programs will be attacked to the point that too many people will suffer without needed food or medical assistance.
            Sure, there are always going to be people who milk or abuse the system, there always are.  That doesn't mean there aren't good and deserving people who use the system for it's intended purpose, who are trying to get up out of where they are at so they don't need the help, but just aren't there yet.
            One thing I can suggest is that all 50 states make it mandatory to pass a drug test in order to be eligible for assistance.  Most jobs require a "pass" on the drug test to work, so if someone is really trying to better themselves and their situation they wouldn't have a problem with taking a drug test to get that help.
            It would also "weed out" those folks who are selling their food stamps for cash to go buy drugs.  If they want/need the help, they can get clean and try again.
            I know plenty of good people who try their hardest to make ends meet & work hard who just can't make it without the assistance.  I would hate to see the good people suffer because of the bad ones.
            That's like cutting off the entire arm because a couple of fingers are infected....

            1. Reality Bytes profile image94
              Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If this is set down as policy, we should drug test all recipients of the people's wealth as well.  e.g. politicians  ( can anyone say Patrick Kennedy!)

              1. Mom Kat profile image86
                Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So are you saying you agree or disagree? 
                If welfare recipients who get money from the government are drug tested, why not also drug test others who get money (or are paid) by the government such as all politicians... I think it is a fantastic idea.

                Where's the down side?  If you want to work for the government or get help from the government, it's only right that the government funds NOT go toward a drug habit... after all, drugs are illegal, so the government is against them, right?

                1. Reality Bytes profile image94
                  Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this



                  I agree that if an individual wishes to receive compensation from the people in any form, they should be held responsible for any requests made by the people.  I do not think that drug-testing welfare recipients alone would be equality, it should contain all forms of payments, this would include teachers, Congressmen, even the military should be obligated to test.  If they are not already, of this IDK.


                  Heck, Tim Geitner appears to be the type to have his nostrils full of candy  smile

                  http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeQ8ZrkWFKxqIlQ02zxlC4zOfulw3zw_b5apRtqzbPOnczhh_a

                  1. Mom Kat profile image86
                    Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You've got my vote so far Reality Bites smile   

                    I totally agree!
                    And they do have SOME drug testing in the military, I know this because my uncle is ARMY, my brother is Navy, & my hubby is Nat. Guards.... but they don't administer it very often past initial entry unless there are signs of use.

                2. jonnycomelately profile image86
                  jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I see another downside, which cannot be passed of with impunity.

                  If you drug-test someone who is on a Government "handout," that someone is most likely in a poor state financially and socially.   Supposing you deny a mother, with 4 or 5 children in her care (or a father, for that matter!) access to Government support, what do you do about the individuals concerned?

                  Do you just ignore them?  Do you let the children starve?  Do you carry on your own life as though the "dropouts" don't exist?   This surely would be the outcome of blanket-style denial.   

                  So the dilemma emerges..... We want, and are prepared to work for a "better style of living," - for ourselves!  Anyone who does not work like we do for our living; anyone who is not born into big money like I am; anyone foolish enough to get themselves hooked on drugs;   Anyone who does not meet our standards of normality should be ostracized, blamed, ill treated by us "good folks."

                  Who do we support?  We who help Ourselves, or those others who need our help?

                  Does either of your two political parties have clear answers about this dilemma?

                  1. Mom Kat profile image86
                    Mom Katposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    good or bad, rich or poor, bottom line ~ drugs are illegal.  It isn't illegal to be a parent, a single parent, poor, or down on your luck.  It IS illegal to do drugs.
                    So why would a government support/help someone to STAY on an illegal substance?
                    It's pretty cut and dry.  Pass the drug test or none for you!
                    If someone was "foolish enough" to get themselves hooked on drugs, create a separate program for rehabilitation, again - NOT supporting the continuation of the drug habit.
                    That doesn't say anyone is better or worse than anyone else, what that says is ~ obey the laws the government sets forth or the government will not support your illegal life choices.

          2. Mighty Mom profile image91
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Hear, here.
            The POTUS should have only one term as well. Lengthen tit o 6 years.
            Get done what you can in 6 years, then vamoose.
            Do not divert attention from your job or spend the people's money campaigning for your second term.

            It makes me ill to think about the bilions of dollars being wasted on this presidential election. If only all those Super PACS and even the campaigns themselves use that money to address the very real problems of our country -- infrastructure, education, jobs, health care, housing, veterans -- the list is long and the needs are great.

            1. tammybarnette profile image62
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              MM, Amen! I have been saying the same thing for years now:) And the super pac bull of today should be illegal, as well as lobbying!

            2. Xenonlit profile image60
              Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I like that idea. Too much time is wasted on a battle for a second term.

            3. habee profile image91
              habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I agree!! (But your "lengthen tit" comment made me wince - sounds painful!) lol lol

  7. Xenonlit profile image60
    Xenonlitposted 4 years ago

    Wow, the truth gets the right wing worked up. Time for a wake up  call folks, your candidate is not right in the head and you know it. It's his race that qualifies him in your book, so you refuse to see the habitual lying, the inability to take responsibility for his actions, the giggling, the inability to relate to other human beings.

    1. Shanna11 profile image91
      Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's his race?! Hahaha...wait....you're serious?  Well, that's an extremely silly, bogus assumption. You know what they say about people who assume things, right?

      Seriously, are you not ashamed that you're saying things like that? Where is the rational, logical thought here?

      1. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hmmm.  racists love to deny that they say and do racist things. Just like bullies deny that they are bullying. Some racists get all red faced and have a temper tantrum when they are confronted.

        It's amazing that the most dog whistle candidate in recent history is not appealing to a racist audience. Silly? Bogus? Watch your own party and the racist things that have been said and done.

        1. Shanna11 profile image91
          Shanna11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          MY party?
          Sweetheart, I'm not registered with ANY party and I'm sitting here with an empty absentee ballot on my desk waiting for my decision. There you go with the assumptions again....

  8. S G Hupp profile image84
    S G Huppposted 4 years ago

    Oopsie, Xenonlit.  Your responses here have spoken volumes.  I made the mistake of responding to you you as I would to a rational adult who might engage in a debate.  My bad, Kiddo.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      +1,000,000

    2. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You are welcome to not comment on any of my posts..

  9. maxoxam41 profile image79
    maxoxam41posted 4 years ago

    It seems that many hubbers on hubpages see him as the ideal candidate. It says a lot about them!

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      too true. I did this post and they showed up like lemmings! They dish out their right wing insults every day but have a national temper tantrum when the opposing view (or the truth) is posted.  Romney is unstable, morally, mentally and otherwise. He creeps a lot of us out.

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And Obama sickens and disgusts a lot of Americans, at least those of us that still love this country and it's Constitution.

  10. kathleenkat profile image89
    kathleenkatposted 4 years ago

    I would seriously like to see a thread where people MATURELY discuss this election.

    I am no longer going to respond to any thread Xenonlit starts, or is active in.  The hate and spam that seem to go along with these threads quite frankly makes me mad, too, and spreads like a disease. And it makes me more mad that s/he feels the need to blatantly insult people of different opinions. At least that's what it seems like to me. Feel free to start up a constructive discussion with me, Xenonlit, that doesn't involve asking whether or not I can read, or telling others that they make you yawn. I'm all ears. Just no longer in this thread.

    "Unfollowing" this now.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you!

  11. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    I don't see Romney have a problem mentally. The problem I see is the business mentality. And yes, having been a district manager over sales we all operate on the same premiss. To close a sale, most sales people will say anything. Anything to make the buyer believe they are getting the best deal. Romney is indeed a great salesman. Quite obvious by his constant changes on any given position. He plays to the audience (extreme right, tea party, & conservatives). Putting on the salesman's hat that best closes the deal. And in this case the deal is becoming President. That scares me, as I don't know what he's really thinking. And he's open about that, saying he will release his plan after he becomes President. It's because of this salesman mentality, I have no choice but to vote for President Obama.

  12. lone77star profile image89
    lone77starposted 4 years ago

    Both Obama and Romney are psychopaths -- a special kind of psychopath that craves power, doesn't care about the people who are hurt and continue to lie to keep things running smoothly.

    In concert with the Corporate Party media (propaganda machine), both Obamney and Rombama have enough meaningless differences (at least to the Corporate Party hegemonic goals) that it keeps alive the illusion of choice and normalcy.

    The thing they fear most is awareness. That's why there have been repeated attempts in the last year or so to censor the Internet -- SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, TPP and more. Once that last bastion of free speech is plugged, the tyranny can operate more openly and with greater impunity.

    Lies thrive in an environment of darkness and lack of critical awareness.

    Both Obama and Romney are mentally stable enough to play their parts for the Power Elite (Wall Street, military-industrial complex, big pharma, etc). But neither one of them are honest enough and fearless enough to be a good president who will do what is right for the country.

    Both of them stand for more,
    * War
    * Fiscal insanity
    * Tyranny

    Both would continue the trashing of the Constitution that has been gradually increasing for the last century -- since 1913, when two planks of the Communist Manifesto were implemented in America -- Central Bank (the very private Federal Reserve) and the graduated personal income tax.

    Right now, we have presidential "Kill Lists" which include Americans, the NDAA with its indefinite detention clauses for Americans (no charges, no attorney, no trial, no phone call), presidents making more Executive Orders than ever before (effectively bypassing Congress), presidents who ignore Congress more than ever before on going to war whenever they want to.

    Now, it's a felony to protest what the government is doing.

    I don't worry so much about Obama or Romney.

    I worry about the sanity and critical thinking ability of the American citizens. Right now, they look like the same kind of "sheeple" who Adolph Hitler led to war 80 years ago. Those Germans thought they were being patriotic. They thought their leaders would not lead them astray.

    That's the real insanity.

    Me? I'm voting for Gary Johnson. It's a start. But how many Americans are brave enough to do what's right for the country? How many are still stuck in normalcy bias and identify with one party or another, or one ideology or another -- rather than simply being a freedom-loving American?

  13. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 4 years ago

    look stabler than bush ...so no prob...

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Has anyone looked at Romney's eyes and facial expressions? Has anyone observed his rage filled tantrums? Scary.

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        BuildingHomesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "Rage filled tantrums", where and when?

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well, he looked quite unstable enough in the VIDEO posted at the beginning of this discussion. Did you even watch it?

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            BuildingHomesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I watched it and all I see is someone in a heated debate with someone who is of the opposite opinion. You made it sound like it was a fist pounding and curse word ladened rant.

            Absolutely no evidence of mental instability what-so-ever. It's just a poor attempt to drudge up controversy, nothing more, and that is obvious.

            1. Xenonlit profile image60
              Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              It was out of control for an individual who wants to be president of the US. It's not the first or last time he's lost his temper in a public setting. The world is in too delicate a position for such histrionics. And it was a fundamental disagreement, by the way.

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                BuildingHomesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You're just making a mountian out of a mole hill. I'm with someone else I saw on this thread a couple of days ago, I'm not commenting on any more threads you start until they are actually worthy of conversation.

      2. jonnycomelately profile image86
        jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Are you looking for a President who has Hollywood charisma?   How can you know what is inside a person's mind just on the basis of what his/her eyes and face look like?  This the height of poor, self-righteous, pass-the-buck judgment.   But then, maybe I have poor judgment too.  A sort of mild Asperger's symptom.  Who knows?
        All we can see of you, Xenonlit, is your eyes and your mouth.... very little of your face.   All we know of you is through your vitriolic raving about other people and their faults.  You never admit to your own negativity.   It sounds like you have so much deep-seated anger in you, it can only be expressed by attacking others. 
        If you think that a person's best qualities for being a good President are that he/she can take all your problems on his/her shoulders and leave you to mope in your pathos, then you will get the President you deserve.
        Now, having just read what Mighty Mom has written about MItt Romney, that is most interesting information and gives me a whole new perspective on the choices you American people have before you.

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Do you write here or do you just play right wing shill in the forums? Because what I just read is some sick mess.

          1. jonnycomelately profile image86
            jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I see some good points from the Republican party and some from the Democrats.   There are also some pretty narrow-minded points from both sides.
            If you see your coming election as being about goal posts, either end of a football field, attacking the personalities of the goal-keepers, then your discussion will be pretty baseless. 
            There is so, so much to be discussed and done and accomplished if your country, and the world, is to recover from our present woes, that petty politics, where you want a Hollywood Star up there on stage shamming a debate, is absolute waste of time.
            One thing I have noticed about blatant "left-wing" political upstarts is they often cannot make constructive suggestions for improvement..... they just blame and complain.
            Can you do better, Xenonlit?

  14. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Although this thread has gotten way off track with some truly snitty personal attacks, I'd like to bring it back to the OP.
    This story is, I believe, a perfect example of Mr. Romney's not-quite-right thinking.
    For me, it was less what he was saying and more how he seemed like he was going to cry. That emotionality is what struck me as alarming.

    Here's Romney telling how he and his wife wandered uninvited into a Christmas party at a neighbor's home. Here's Romney making any and every personal (but irrelevant) connection he can with slain NavySEAL Glen Doherty.

    You may have seen this clip of Romney saying this in Van Meter, Iowa because he showed emotion and the press was entranced.
    Personally, I was concerned. He looked like he was about to cry. Get a grip, Mitt! (Or are those crocodile tears?)

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/mi … h-17444642

    Now, here we have Glen Doherty's friend's account of this meeting:

    Except that is not how one of Glen Doherty’s close friends of twenty years remembers Doherty’s chance meeting with Romney in an interview with MyNorthwest. According to Doherty’s friend Elf Ellefsen, Romney introduced himself to Doehrty four times during the same party, not remembering that he had already met Glen. Doherty called it “pathetic and comical”. Each time, Romney introduced himself “robotically” as “Mitt Romney, political figure.” Glen believed it to be very “insincere and stale.”

    Reporter Libby Denkmann asked Ellefsen “what he thought of his friend’s story being used on the political stump”, to which Ellefsen replied, “Honestly it does make me sick. Glen would definitely not approve of it… I think Glen would feel, more than anything, almost embarrassed for Romney. I think he would feel pity for him.”

    And Mrs. Doherty's reaction:
    The mother of slain Navy SEAL Glen Doherty is not happy to hear Mitt Romney using her dead son for political gain. She told 7News of Boston, “I don’t trust Romney. He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”

    It doesn’t get much more cynical than using someone’s death for your own political gain, especially when that person would not have approved of your campaign or your tactics, and even worse, when you didn’t even remember meeting him the first three times you introduced yourself to him.

    http://www.politicususa.com/friend-fami … omney.html

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Miighty Mom! You did a masterful job here! I did this as an experiment to see how virulent the responses would be. I am shocked at the lack of intellect from people who claim to be at hub pages to write. I think that they are here to push right wing agendas in the forums.

      However, the bottom line is that I am not taking the chance on a guess that the man is "crazy like a fox".  He is not mentally stable enough to be President of the United states. Facts are facts. No one gets into the military with this guy's psychological makeup. How the hell is he going to command my military?

      1. jonnycomelately profile image86
        jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ok, Xenonlit, I took the bait like a very obedient Trout, laughing with you now.

        lol  cool

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    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago

    NOW HEAR THIS!!! NOW HEAR THIS!!!

    THE ORIGINAL POSTER OF THIS FORUM
    DOES NOT WANT TO SEE ANY POSTS
    THAT DISAGREE WITH HER THAT
    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
    IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT
    IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY!!!

    OPINIONS OTHER THAN HERS
    WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!

    THAT IS ALL!!!


    Go about your lives people!!!

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Oooh. Looks like I won't be reading your hubs. If you write any, that is.

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wow, that's the best you got? Oh, I see. Judging from the time you posted, you hadn't gotten the liberal talking points yet. That explains it.

        As to my hubs, I took them all down and left for a couple of months to promote my new book. I'm back only to debate and help make liberals look bad, as if they need any help. I also want to anger as many of them as possible. In other words, something easy to do and to have some fun.

        You have a good day waiting on those liberal talking points.

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Long,

          You do not have to justify yourself to her, she does not know how HP works. People always take old hubs down for many reasons, some do it to inflate their HP score to make them look good.

          I guess because she finally got her first check she thinks it gives her the right to spew hatred. Soon she will go the wayside of others who came before her and spewed hatred. She will have to raise her game though if she wants to reach the level of some of those past people.

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, I know, AV. I have all my old hubs saved and could put them back up but it didn't seem right to re-post old stuff. It somehow lacked a sense of integrity.

          2. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            How about you stay on topic and quit using right wing tactics? Don't you see how that did not work for Ryan?   I don't have to raise my game to do a darned thing for you if you cannot have a discussion that does not resort to tea party tactics. Let me remind you of something:
            The issue is whether Mitt Romney is mentally or emotionally stable enough to lead this nation.

            1. American View profile image60
              American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Perhaps it is you that needs to stay on topic , you are all over the place. The spewing of hatred is a liberal tactic and you seem to be enjoying it. Like I said, others have done so before here on HP and went the wayside, same will happen with you.

              1. jonnycomelately profile image86
                jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Here is a Website which some of you folks might wish to read if you have not already seen it.

                http://e360.yale.edu/feature/obama_vs_r … ment/2572/

    2. Hollie Thomas profile image59
      Hollie Thomasposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Longhunter, can I ask, why when you refer to the POTUS opponent do you only use his sir name, yet, when you refer to the POTUS you always use his full (including middle, Hussein name) ?

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        For the hell of it. If I can raise the blood pressure of a lib just a little by typing Hussein, it's all worth it. It has tweaked a lot of libs so many times, I do it just for fun. That's all. Nothing more.

  16. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Maybe mental instability is not the real issue here.
    Maybe Mitt Romney is crazy -- crazy like a fox.
    Leaving the "well what about Obama...." arguments aside for just a minute (there are plenty of threads about what promises President Obama has or has not kept, how many fact checks have gone against him vs. against Romney), let me put this out there:

    Is anyone else at all concerned that here it is only a few weeks from election day and we really do NOT know what Mitt Romney's platform is on many of the major issues of this campaign?
    How can ANYONE make an informed decision on him? Which "him" would be President Romney?
    He boldly stood on the debate stage and gave answers that were between 60% and 100% different from his stated (on website) positions. Positions he held during the GOP primaries -- that got him the GOP nomination.
    Now he is making more statements about key issues like taxes, abortion, foreign policy, etc. that are - to put it mildly -- at odds with what he has said before. And what his running mate claims are the Romney Ryan positions.

    How many "do-overs" does one candidate get, anyway?
    I have said before that if they made a commercial out of all the "walk-backs" Romney's campaign has had to do refuting what he says in public, it would run hours, not minutes.

    The problem is, he is very clever at saying these things in public. Because once they're ot there, that's what the public hears. Only the politically astute bother to read the retractions.
    A bell once rung cannot be unrung. A judge can instruct a jury to disregard a statement, but we all know those words sink into their conscious and cannot be unheard.

    Now he is now courting the women's vote by pretending he would not work to overturn Roe v. Wade.
    The question is -- if moderates buy that line and do vote for him, are they going to be shocked when pro-life Mitt magically reappears after inauguration day and their reproductive freedoms are yanked away?

    So back to the OP. Pathological lying is a behavior associated with many mental illnesses. Mrs. Romney herself has expressed concern for her husband's mental health.
    I find that a very, very odd -- and telling -- thing to say.
    Maybe we should pay attention here.

    1. susansisk profile image81
      susansiskposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Agree with your post! .........Right on!

  17. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    I don't think Mitt is mentally unstable, well, perhaps a bit, but he sure is full of himself and quite narcissistic. And his conception of the truth is quite different from mine.

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      The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And we should know narcissistic as we've had it in the White House for the last three and a half years. roll

      1. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Do you people throw darts at words, throw them into blenders and post the results as comments in forums?

    2. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry kid, that's the very definition of mentally unstable.

      1. HowardBThiname profile image89
        HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Obama, you mean?  If so - I'd have to agree.

        He's told so many lies I don't think he can keep them straight anymore and at the debate, it was obvious that he couldn't defend his failed policies. First, he starts an illegal war in Libya and then he doesn't secure nearly 20,000 surface-to-air missiles stolen as a result of his war. No wonder Team Obama launched immediately into lies over Benghazi - saying it was about a video - Obama doesn't want his huge failure in Libya made public. Better he should lie and cover his ass.

        I don't think Romney is any prize - but, come on - he certainly can't be any worse than Obama, who just might be the worst president to ever grace the Oval Office.

        There's really no logical reason for anyone with a brain to vote for Obama again. I voted for him once. Never again. Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice - shame on me.

        1. movingout profile image60
          movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Am I to believe you think Romney and Ryan havent lied? If you believe that, I have some ocean front property for sale in Utah! There's no logical reason for voting for Romney.  He's for this today and changes him mind tomorrow. He's laid out no plans but talkes about 1 thru 5. Nothing to hang my hat on as far as his stance on any policy? Libya was a direct result of Republicans cutting back the budget protecting our embassies over seas. And why should any President immediately inform the general public about anything? Security and investigations come first. Not wise to let the enemy know what you're thinking! Economy is coming back, more jobs, wall street and stock exchange on the rise, Bin Laden killed, troops with drawing, What more do you want? ANd just how will Romney accomplish what you want? We just crawled out of recession compared only to the Great Depression! 30 years of failed polices by both Dems and Repubs got us into this mess!

          1. HowardBThiname profile image89
            HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Movingout - I'm sure R and R have lied, but we've had four years of Obama lies, and since this is a run for the presidency, Obama's lies are going to be on display a bit more.

            BTW - you might want to check your facts on the votes of GOP vs. Dems on the budget-cutting to Libya. More Dems voted for it than GOPers did.

            I'm not saying Obama has to "inform" us of anything right away - but he has a duty not to tell us blatant lies. The lie about the Consulate fed the flames of violent protests across the Middle East. Obama owns that mistake.

            Thanks for the tip on the economy coming back - but what the Fed just did is almost certain to ensure $6 a gallon at the pump and higher food costs. Troops withdrawing? That's nice, but Obama launched an illegal war against Libya and the national debt is higher than ever, while housing costs are in the pot.

            Romney has successfully run big businesses. Obama's not a businessman.

            I'm not voting "for" Romney, because I think we could have better. I'm voting "against" Obama, because I think he's already done major damage to this nation.

            I do agree that both parties have given us failed policies.

            1. movingout profile image60
              movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this
              1. HowardBThiname profile image89
                HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That's a nice article, and it indicates that Romney might be less than forthcoming on his assets, etc.

                So?

                I already said I'm not a Romney fan.

                I just feel he's the "lesser of two evils" in this election. Romney is a mystery in some areas. Obama's not a mystery. We know what we're getting and we know that's bad. At least if we've been paying attention, we know it.

  18. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    More evidence on Romney's mental status. Even his wife is worried about his TEMPER. She mentions it in her upcoming interview in Good Housekeeping (due out October 16).
    BTW, in the same interview she is unable to recite Mitt's simple 5 step plan to the "real recovery." She kinda/sorta gets 3 of the 5 and says she can't remember the other two.

    Read comments he might have Aspergers -- and I mean that as no disrespect to anyone with Autism. Period.
    I wonder if she has ADD or maybe early Alzheimers. It's a 5 step plan. Ann, you have 5 fingers. Unless, of course, you are used to having someone else do your counting for you.
    Hmmmm.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      My concern is that the president should meet the health standards that a General Grade Military officer has to meet. He or she is the commander in chief of the armed forces and has some serious powers. Mental instability is not something we should overlook.

  19. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
    crazyhorsesghostposted 4 years ago

    And susansisk it's a great Hub everyone should read.

  20. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    Well, I read this morning he now has Lindsay Lohan's endorsement...

  21. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    Thanks. That's a good one. Neither candidate wants to talk about climate change, and the debate moderators ask them about Benghazi, unfortunate and tragic, but only a blip compared to environmental and climate issues.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The debate committee and moderators determine the topics and ask the questions, so the candidates are forced to stick to them.

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    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago

    Xenonlit, perhaps your biggest problem is you've realized your guy, Barack Hussein Obama, is on his way out. You, like every other liberal, are in panic mode.

    Just sit back and enjoy the time you have left with him, Xenonlit, because come Sunday, January 20, 2013, he'll be jetting off to Hawaii. However, the plane he'll he flying in will no longer be designated Air Force One, but rather, just another plane in the sky.

    I and my family will be at church that wonderful Sunday morning, thanking God for his deliverance from the worst, most un-American president in this country's history.

    Have a good day, Xenonlit!

    1. HowardBThiname profile image89
      HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Longhunter - you made me smile. And your post deserves two-thumbs-up.

    2. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And how did anything you wrote, Longhunter, answer any questions or tell any\ truth? You are more the problem than the solution for this nation. You back a man who told 29 lies during a presidential debate. That says more about your political leanings and integrity than it says about Obama's presidency and my question: is Mitt Romney stable?  I say he is not.

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Opinions are like navels, Xenonlit. Everybody has one. Yes, I cleaned that up.

        Your biggest problem is most people on this forum don't agree with you and it makes you mad. Oh, well!!! lol

        But, you and your liberal kool-aide drinking buddies have a much bigger problem. More and more Americans don't agree with the direction in which Barack Hussein Obama is trying to take this country and I firmly believe he's going to loose.

        Your second biggest problem is, no matter how hard you try, you can't sell us on Obama because the only way you have to do so is to tear down Romney, not tout Obama's record. You don't want to tout something that bad so you ask ridiculous, leading questions like "Is Mitt Romney mentally stable enough to be President?". roll

        Face it, Xenonlit. You can say bad things about Romney, me, or anyone else here on HP that disagrees with you. It will not change the fact you're fighting a lost battle.

        So, because of you and in honor of Barack Hussein Obama leaving office, on Sunday, January 20, 2013, I'm going to pop the cork on a nice bottle of champagne to toast his loss and his leaving. I'll think of you, Xenonlit, when I raise my glass and toast, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank, God Almighty, we're free at last!" big_smile

    3. jonnycomelately profile image86
      jonnycomelatelyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Longhunter, if you talk about an "un-American" President, what would be the defining attributes of an "American" President?  In your opinion?

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Someone who believes in our Constitution and adheres to it. Obama would like nothing more than to shred it, burn the pieces, and make this country what he thinks it should be - nothing better than a third-world nation.

        1. susansisk profile image81
          susansiskposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Where in the world are you getting your information.  One of the biggest problems with this election is that people are getting their political information from false republican backed chain emails.  I have done research into many of these, and have been able to prove them false.   50 million Americans have no health insurance, 75% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills.  We NEED the health care bill.  It is not going to cover abortions in states that do not want that.  It is not going to take away from Medicare, and is not going to make middle class taxes go up.
          President Obama, inspite of inheriting a 10 trillion deficit, with most of the spending during his term already locked in, has put together a plan to make cuts yearly, and gradually get us out of debt within the next ten years.
          President Obama has been telling the truth, and has not been changing his position according to whoever he is talking too. 
          I am praying for the sake of this country, that he gets another four years.

          1. HowardBThiname profile image89
            HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            We might need "A" healthcare bill, Susan, but we sure don't need Obamacare.

            It's time for a change. Obama's failed. Let's give someone else a chance.

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I sincerely hope that is an unanswered prayer, Susan. The last thing we need is four more years of Barack Hussein Obama's ineptitude.

            Romney/Ryan 2012!!!

          3. movingout profile image60
            movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Susan, I believe he is getting his information from Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and O'reilly! Tunnel vision! lol

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              The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And you would be wrong, movingout. Something liberals seem to experience a lot.

              I don't watch Fox. What I do watch reminds me a lot of liberals though. I have a 4 YO so I watch a lot of Disney, another Mickey Mouse organization.

              Perhaps you should try to get your news from someone other than that dude Maddow on MSNBC.

              1. movingout profile image60
                movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                LMAO...Maddow and MSNBC? Wrong...But perhaps watching Disney and other Mickey Mouse shows will give me a different perspective of this race?LOL And you're assuming I'm a Liberal? Interesting! Actually an Independent. who voted for Bush. Does that make me a Republican? Just curious! I watch all news shows (even fox), search the internet and public records and come to my own conclusions.

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                  The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  From previous posts, I knew you were not a lib. If you look back, you'll see I did not call you one.

                  I get my news mostly from the internet. We don't watch much TV. What we do watch is kid-friendly.

                  No, voting for Bush doesn't make you a Republican. I voted for him as well but I call myself a Christian Conservative. Please note before you or anyone else starts something, when I say I'm a Christian, it's NOT to cram my faith down others throats. I don't like people who do that either.

                  All that being said, no, I don't think Romney is "unstable" and, yes, we need another direction, one not involving Barack Hussein Obama. The only direction I want to see Obama go in is southwest, toward Hawaii, out of D.C., on January 20, 2013.

                  1. movingout profile image60
                    movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Unstable is a curious word! I've listened to debates by Romney and campaign trail footage. He's a very good salesman, I'll give him that. He gives the audience in front of them the answers they want to hear. Problem with that is simple. None of the answers are on the same page. He's all over the place. Furthermore when asked about details or even vouchers (if you may let me call them that), he avoids the question and says the details will be revealed when he's elected. At best that's a scary answer. I'm sorry, I won't buy a car without test driving it, much less vote for an individual who evades answering the question and gives me no details as to his plans.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That takes the prize for the most ridiculous comment today. Just gotta' get that black guy out of the White House!

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            "Just gotta' get that black guy out of the White House!"

            It's unfortunate you feel that way, Ralph. I think of this race more about political issues and what's best for the country, not race.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Then why don't you say something about the issues instead of posting gratuitous, inaccurate insults directed at President Obama? Tell us what public policy issues are important to you and your position on them. Do you want to see Social Security privatized?
              Do you want to turn Medicare into a voucher program and Medicaid turned over to the states? Do you think Bibi Netanyahu should be welcomed as an ex-officio member of the cabinet? Do you think the tax system should be changed to make it even more attractive to the top one percent? Do you support Obama's plan to get out of Afghanistan in 2014 or Romney's wait and see proposal? Do you think global climate change is something to be concerned about? If so which candidate is more likely to support steps to deal with it--Obama or Romney who has accepted big campaign money from oil and coal and public utility interests?

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                The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                And why do you take every opportunity to insult Conservatives, Ralph? You're angry or you enjoy it or both. My guess would be both.

                To a liberal, my insults of Obama are gratuitous and inaccurate. To a Conservative, saying Obama is a liar and un-American is the truth.

                This forum is about Romney's mental stability, not what public policy issues are important to me. God knows, I wouldn't want to anger the HP gods or the OP by changing the topic.

                Look, I know you and the OP are "in-the-tank" for Obama. I know you don't like me or other Conservatives because we think Barack Hussein Obama is the scourge of the American way of life and a horrible president. I get it. That's okay. I'm good with that and relish it. Yours or the OP's dislike is NOT going to stop me from stating my opinion any more than I expect you or the OP will stop stating yours no matter how wrong or ridiculous I think they are.

                The original question, "Is Mitt Romney mentally stable enough to be President?", is just that - ridiculous. You know it. I know it. And we're lesser for having contributed to the whole stupid conversation.

                Now, on to January 20, 2013 and a big farewell to Barack Hussein Obama.

                1. Xenonlit profile image60
                  Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  If you read what you wrote, you would know why the majority of Americans are fed up with the language, the attacks and most importantly, the lack of solutions or substance! No to Mittens, and we will be glad when we do not have to look into his lifeless eyes or hear his lies.

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                    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You say you're tired of the attacks but yet you ask a leading questions such as this one. It speaks volumes about you, Xenonlit. IMHO, none of it good.

                    Wow, wishing the death of a United States presidential candidate. I think I'll leave that one alone and to the appropriate authorities. Good luck, Xenonlit!!!

                2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                  Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I'll agree that Romney isn't mentally unstable if you'll agree that Obama isn't a socialist who was not born in the U.S. and isn't just a good reader from a teleprompter.

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                    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I've never once said on here or anywhere else that I thought Obama was not an American by birth. I am NOT a birther, Ralph.

                    I have said, IMHO, he was not an American in his heart or in his way of thinking. That I'll still stand by.

          2. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            They should be proud of you. You never veer from the talking point.

            1. Xenonlit profile image60
              Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The Koch Brothers are proud.

        3. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It's clear that you and too many others have forgotten (or never really knew) what the heck the constitution says. Same old thoughtless references to the constitution and not one word about Mitt Romney's emotional stability or instability.

  23. Backwater Sage profile image61
    Backwater Sageposted 4 years ago

    We vote for boneheads all the time. It is the American way.

  24. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    I'm not 40% happy with either of them! One has a slow growing economy at best and the other has these great plans, but unwilling to release the details until after he's elected. I'm forced to go with the slow growing economy. I'm not buying something without having the details. One as you stated reads from a telepromter and the other sells what the audience in front of him wants to hear.

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      The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hmmm, lets see. Vote for a "very good salesman" or a snake oil salesman. Yep, I'll stick with the "very good salesman" and gladly wave goodbye with a middle finger to the snake oil salesman.

  25. Backwater Sage profile image61
    Backwater Sageposted 4 years ago

    I'm voting Independent for whatever 3rd party candidate makes it on the ballot around here. You think my vote won't count, but I want to send a message. It is time to make adjustments. These two camps have demonstrated that can't do the job. And I refuse to vote for the poseurs they keep parading by.

  26. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    Just remember, not all salesman have your best interests at heart. They are selling for their own personal gain in most instances. So we end a great discussion with a common agreement. We agree to disagree! Enjoyed chatting with you!

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I refuse to reduce the presidency of the United states to a "sales" job. President Obama will have to continue to deal with a host of unprecedented challenges. I want someone who will do it without giggling and temper tantrums.

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        The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The only challenges Barack Hussein Obama will be facing is what to pack in which boxes for the trip to Hawaii following a failed presidency, Xenonlit.

        lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

        1. Backwater Sage profile image61
          Backwater Sageposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why do hubbers use these tired old smiley faces? They got old within 3 months when email first came out 35 years ago.

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I was once admonished for not using them. I use them now to just tick people off. Sometimes it actually works.

    2. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, Moving out!

  27. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    I hate to say this - oh wait, no I don't...
    I hope some town hall participant asks Romney a question that makes him come unglued tonight.
    Or maybe it will be Obama that cracks the thin facade and unleashes Raging Romney.
    I doubt he'll be the crackhead debater we saw last time. But in an unscripted format, he can't help but make at least one Twilight Zone-esque comment.
    Where do we go from Big Bird?
    Time will tell. 4 hours and counting! f

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      JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Are you kidding?

      Big Bird was one of the biggest mistakes Obama has made. Do you seriously want your President making campaign ads about Big Bird?

      I think the moderator is going to screw up, Obama will get more talking time again, but Romney is going to once again come across as in control. I have a theory about Obama, we'll see if it's right tonight.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Frankly, I'd rather see ads about Big Bird than fake photo ops in front of coal miners who were docked pay and their jobs threatened to be there, or the Ryans posing with clean pots in clean kitchen in an empty homeless shelter.
        At least Big Bird is real!
        lol

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          JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Fake photo ops are stupid, I agree.

          Wasn't it shown that the story about the coal miners was wrong?

        2. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Binders full of women and Big Bird! Oh my.

      2. Xenonlit profile image60
        Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Uhm...

  28. susansisk profile image81
    susansiskposted 4 years ago

    Well, the debate is now history, and I think we can go back to the original question here.  Mitt Romney looked nervous and UNSTABLE  tonight.  He got caught with some of his changed positions, and President Obama spoke and carried himself much more presidential. 
         I wish President Obama would have caught him a little better on the gas price thing though.  After getting three chain emails showing the price of gas at $1.86 a gallon four years ago, I decided to research that.  I knew that it has been a long time since I bought gas at that price.  I went to "Answers.com", which has no relation to any candidate.  Answer I got was that the average price of a gallon of regular gas four years ago was $3.31 a gallon.  At that time we were in a recession, so that price actually hit people harder, than today's price.
         Anyways, I think President Obama won the debate, and my local news channel did too.

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It was a rousing debate, but Romney came across as angry, stuttering and out of his league. I loved it when the Pres laid him out over Libya. I wish he had called Romney on mouthing off prematurely and politicizing the events.

      The problem is not with the candidates, it is with the debates. They can only ask the questions that are asked and they only have so much time to do so. The only thing we can do about gas prices is to make oil and gas price speculation illegal. That  is what is driving up our prices when there is no other good reason.

  29. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    Gas prices were over $3.00 when the POTUS took office. Before he took office and people were made at President Bush over gas prices, Fox and O'reilly said a President has no control over prices. Amazing how they flipped on that today! lol

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      They flip on anything that does not support their agenda. To them, the agenda is more important than the future of the nation or the people. It makes me sick that this election is even close.

      1. movingout profile image60
        movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        How anyone could vote for Romney, when he's yet to release his "Plan" on anything, is beyond me? And his stance on woman's rights is mind boggling.

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          There is something else going on here and it is very disturbing. There is no way that Romney should be in his position. There is no way that this election should be this close.  The mainstream media (Thank them for the Tea Party) is behind a lot of this. Just listen to how they bias almost every report, forum, interview and show toward the Right. The exceptions are MSNBC and Current TV, but it's like throwing popcorn against RPGs.

      2. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly.
        Gas prices are the president's fault if the president is Obama.
        Not the president's fault if the president is Bush.
        If Obama is the president and there are no jobs, the president controls jobs.
        If someone else is president and there are no jobs, the president has no control over jobs.

        In other words, if you are President Obama, you are in a NO WIN position.
        Always.

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Now America is getting an idea of how it is to be Black and to work in just about any job. Three times the accomplishment for a third of the reward.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image91
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            +1

  30. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    I know I'll get slammed for this, but racism is playing a large part in this election. And yes, I'm an independent WHITE guy saying this! I have never in all my years seen a POTUS so disrespected! I feel like I'm back in the 60's again!

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Movingout! The racists are the first ones to get all red faced and deny their obvious racism, which intimidates as it perpetuates their need to have power over others.

      I want President Obama to have a second term so he can serve as the truth against the lies. He has  done a tremendous job and he deserves a second term.

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        pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am a white female. You idiots don't even know what you are talking about. My klids are black and white. You don't just jump onto a bandwagon because they are the right color. You have to use your brains.  Where the HELL are your brains?Black America has suffered more from Obama than any other Administration. You die hard liberals, not democrats, LIBERALS, have distorted the democrat party in such a fashion that you NEED to keep African Americans in chains and devoted to your miserable party. My parents were dems and they would spew chunks on your pitiful excuses for democrats. You are not dems. YOU ARE LIBERALS AND NEED TO CLAIM YOUR OWN PARTY AND STOP TAKING MONEY FROM TRUE DEMOCRATS.  If you claimed your allegiance to the democrat party, they would disown you as my democrat parents did. Liberals have tried to HIJACK the democrat party and it is up to democrats to take it back. Do you dems want some credibility? Get rid of your liberal counterparts, OBAMA.  You are pigs.

        1. Mighty Mom profile image91
          Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          However left you believe the Democratic party has moved since the time of your parents' defection, it's a minimal amount compared to the extreme, radical far-right faction has hijacked the Republican party.

          1. Xenonlit profile image60
            Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I don't think there is rational thought going on here.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I resemble that remark!
              lol

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                pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Indeed you do!

        2. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          So you use that kind of ranting to justify following a person who will make your own life and your kid's lives miserable? The point of this post is Mitt Romney's mental and emotional fitness to be president, I will remind you of that.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image91
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No wonder she's attracted to Romney.
            They have ranting in common.

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            pcoachposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            My parents diddn't defect, MIGHTY MOM.   They died. AND my BRAINS are absolutely empowered by the very LIVES of my children and grandchildren and the decisions I make in the form of my vote.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              This is what you said: "If you claimed your allegiance to the democrat party, they would disown you as my democrat parents did."
              I think a reasonable person would interpret that statement as your parents disowned the Democrat party.

              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah they supported it while it was racist, anti civil rights and homophobic but when that went out the window so did the voter group who supported those polices. Case in point above.

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            The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You keep reminding everybody of the original post but yet you have no problem veering from it, hard left, to insult those who disagree with you. 

            And you call the Republicans irrational? WOW!!! roll

  31. Xenonlit profile image60
    Xenonlitposted 4 years ago
  32. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago

    https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/b4uda8
    The OP questions my mental stability?


    lol

    1. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      :LOL

  33. ftclick profile image60
    ftclickposted 4 years ago

    transparency on a plan does not mean it will pass the house and senate. You know politics. So what he appears honest. Do things ever truly happen as planned in the white house? NO.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      As with all of these political forums, each side winds up attacking the other and nobody ever "gets it".  I'm no political genius, but my common sense tells me a few things:

      Romney does have some emotional problems as is evidenced by the fact that he is so insecure that he must have his wife close by so that he can visually check with her to make sure he's doing a good job when he is debating or speaking.  (as per his own comments)

      Romney clearly continues to psychologically "prove" to his deceased father that he is a worthy person who will be able to achieve what his father could not.  (as per his ongoing comments)

      Romney obviously does not know where to draw the line with his politicizing, as was made clear in last night's debates regarding his shoot from the hip comments about the terrorist attack at Bengazi. (as per his attack on the White House regarding this issue that was made before the facts were all in)

      As per his cultural and religious background, Romney denigrates women.  It is only his own psychological imbalances that force him to depend so much on his wife.  His feelings towards women have been made amply clear in his stance against abortion and women's health care in general.  Mormon women who have left the religion have spoken publicly about their mistreatment by the men in their religion.  Romney is one of them.

      Romney has done well in business, but unfortunately, his biggest success came about through his ability to demolish businesses and put people out of work.  He won, they lost.  This is on the record.

      Romney makes statements that are totally unrealistic, such as "he's going to tighten up on China", "he's going to get rid of Obamacare on day 1"...the truth is that in making such statements he is showing the world that he has virtually no understanding of how the Federal government works.  Has he forgotten about all of the Congressmen and Senators out there?

      Finally, it is clear to me that Romney is just champing at the bit to get this country involved in another war.  He constantly attacks the President for his stance on Serbia when he should be thinking about the fact that the two wars we've been involved in for years have drained this country financially and destroyed thousands of good lives.  Someone should ask him whether his five sons would serve if he started another war, or if any of them have served in our most recent wars.

      Personally, I do not think he is capable of running this country, but I know many here would disagree.  This is to be expected.

      I just hope what I've written here will give people pause before they go into the voting booth.

      1. movingout profile image60
        movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        In response to his sons serving? With Romney himself being a draft dodger, what do you think? But! If he did declare war he would probably take his history long position. He would be FOR the war, but AGAINST his sons serving in it! I just don't get how any vet could vote for a 5 time draft dodger hiding under his religeous covers while many men and women served this great country years ago!

        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, great men like Bill Clinton who served...wait, no not Bill.

          Ok, Joe Biden, yeah..crazy Joe served...oops, 5 deferments.

          Seems a lot of people from that generation didn't serve, probably why were so screwed now.

          1. movingout profile image60
            movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            President Clinton did dodge the draft. He unlike Romney admitted and apologized for it. And yes Joe Biden as well. Both used college as their cover. And I did not vote for either of them. I would rather a candidate have not served then any who dodged the draft! I'm an Independent and won't vote for any candidate who dodged the draft, during the draft process timeline, for any political office.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              It's one thing to use college to avoid the draft. Not everyone could, unfortunately.
              It's quite another to actively protest the anti-war protestors, thus signifying your support for the Vietnam War, and using a missionary assignment in France to avoid the draft.
              I mean, if Romney was so in favor of the war, why did he not put his money where his protest sign was?
              His hypocrisy started quite young!

              http://multiply.com/mu/dnoakes/image/MWAD-DTnFO1LZUUs4mzm2Q/photos/1M/300x300/7677/CDocuments-and-SettingsShirley-DougMy-DocumentsPICTURESMitt-Romney-Stanford-521x410.jpg?et=IauD%2Bv0eOXf6KoBefiYG9g&nmid=0

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                Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Exactly MM.

                If Romney would've been a pacifist, or at least against the Vietnam war, it would be a nonissue; however, his hypocrisy knows no bounds, so he had no problem avoiding the draft while openly supporting the war itself.

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          JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'm curious... do you consider anyone who got a deferment to be a draft dodger?

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            movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I consider anyone who intentionally avoided the draft, with no physical issues, a draft dodger,especially when they use the Church as a tool to avoid it!

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    The Longhunterposted 4 years ago

    Threats to Assassinate Romney Explode After Debate
    http://www.infowars.com/threats-to-assa … er-debate/

    Perhaps we should be worrying about the mental stability of some Obama supporters rather than posting leading forum questions.

    The old saying, "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones," clearly comes to mind.

    1. Reality Bytes profile image94
      Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, I thought this type of behavior was criminal.  Is there any way to see if anyone tweeted the same concerning the POTUS?  I know for fact that threats against the President is treated very seriously regardless of who holds the position.  Anyone making these types of threats are prosecuted, as they should be.

      I cannot believe people are actually saying that they will personally take action.  They should all be prosecuted no matter who the threats are directed at, the last thing this nation needs is calls to violence!

    2. HowardBThiname profile image89
      HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wow. That's just scary! How sad that the liberals have created such a cradle-to-grave nanny state that these people would actually threaten to kill a president because they were afraid he'd stop food stamps!?

      I'm just shocked right now and I'm disgusted at the mentality of those who think it's a good idea to make others dependent on the system.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Secret Service says number of threats against president 'overwhelming'

        "According to the Secret Service, the president is the most threatened person in the U.S., regardless of political party. He is not made aware of all threats against him, however, because Kierstead said the "sheer number would be overwhelming and, frankly, distracting." "

        http://mynorthwest.com/11/728028/Secret … erwhelming

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          The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The story of these threats is about those made against Romney, Ralph.

          Xenonlit wants to post leading forums against Romney but has yet to say a word about fellow Obama supporters threatening his life. Rather than discussing Romney's mental state, perhaps we should discuss the mental state of yours and Xenonlit's fellow Obama supporters.

          Threats made against either man, Romney or Obama, should not be tolerated. The question is will the ones against Romney be investigated or just pushed aside as, "oh, who cares," by the liberal media, the Secret Service, and apparently liberals?

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            "The story of these threats is about those made against Romney, Ralph."

            Did you read the article? Apparently not. Nobody supports threats against Romney or Obama. What's your point?

            "The U.S. Secret Service field office in Seattle responds to threats against the President of the United States daily. They call the sheer number "overwhelming." "

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              The Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I read your article. I know it was about threats against Obama. I was talking about the link I posted, Ralph.

          2. JSChams profile image60
            JSChamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            They don't care if Romney is threatened because, after all you know, he is evil and the world would be better off without him right?
            Then President Obama can get on the being reelected and set about repealing the amendment that term limits him so he can get reelected again in four years when he still hasn't got anything done because of George Bush's policies and republican obstructionism. Right?

        2. HowardBThiname profile image89
          HowardBThinameposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Threatening any president is awful. I'm just shocked to see so many folks jump on the bandwagon over food stamps of all things.

      2. movingout profile image60
        movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Anyone, Democrat or Republican are capable of anything when they lose their jobs, homes and risk losing food stamps. Not everyone is on foodstamps as a result of their own doing. Again, many have lost their jobs and are dependent on these programs. If the shoe was on the other foot, and no means of supporting you and your family was available. Wouldn't you want food stamps?

  35. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6918/92399057


    http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6918/92399057.jpg

    The likeness is uncanny.
    Manson also surrounded himself with lots of women.

    1. tammybarnette profile image62
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        But were they in BINDERS?
        lol

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          movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          @MM...shhhhhh....maybe saying notebooks would be accepted as politically correct?

          1. Mighty Mom profile image91
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol
            What is Romney's favorite movie?
            The NOTEBOOK!

            1. tammybarnette profile image62
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              LMAO lol

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              movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              rotflmao....

 
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