The extreme right seems to like to control the conversation in forums all over the web. the temper tantrums and insane, off topic ranting is out of control here. If it happens again at hub pages, I will deal with it outside of Hub pages.
My goal is to counter the extremist propaganda and to introduce the opposing view. If some do not like it, then too bad.
Why outside of HubPages? The Far Right Conservatives run rampant on this site. Why should the Progressive point of view not offer their counterpoints? Is this FoxNews? I think not.
There are plenty of opposing viewpoints here.
I had posted a topic that got out of hand. I wish that Hub Pages would keep the political posts somewhere else, but mine kept showing up as the extremists started ranting about anything they pleased. Suddenly I was prohibited from posting on my own post. There was no way to kill the off topic rants and frothing rages. Those people were still allowed to post for several days. I won't tolerate that.
You just need to be careful. You got banned didn't you?
That happens and saying things like you are going to handle things outside of hubpages won't help you.
That sounds like a threat to some people. You wouldn't do that now would you?
So is there not supposed to be free speech here?
Free Speech" implies "rights" but "Rights can never be freely exercised without Responsibility."
It requires that all persons discussing in the free forum comply with at least a basic level of intelligence, information, courtesy, fair play. Without these attributes that so-called freedom will bring about its own down fall.
People who push their own agenda and use bully-boy tactics are not displaying such attributes.
What do you mean you won't tolerate that?
This isn't your website.
Xenonlit, the moderators at HubPages have a strange way of deciding what is tolerated, not you. It's your problem if you can't tolerate something, not ours.
xenolit, I have had the same problem, I usually willtry to talk and actually have a conversation, but sometimes that does not work unfortunatley. My advice would be to just ignore. I had a little spat a couple of days ago, I do not usually stoop to their level, but this woman infuriated me. I didn't think I went too far, I thought she did, but the next day I was not allowed to join in the forums, I guess I was put in a 24hr time out, I don't really know, I was never e-mailed about it, but I assume that the arguement with the woman had caused the action. Now, I will just keep being respectful or ignore...lesson learned:)
Don't ever let them see you sweat, tammy!
YOu are so right, Tammy. When it comes to this joint if it does not PAY, I will not play. It's not worth it.
The problem is when someone presents their view, we don't agree, one of us starts saying things that we likely shouldn't and speaking in generalizations and, the next thing we know, someone is popping a vein in their forehead, someone is frothing at the mouth and this person and the other one are getting banned. Introducing your opinion might cause some to get their dander up and then you go in circles again. We all have our opinions and, even when presented with information to the contrary, the likelihood of someone changing their opinion to mirror ours is slim to I-don't-think-so. If I start or am involved in a conversation that takes a turn like this, I just let it go. People rarely see a differing opinion as "this is what I believe." They hear "no, you're wrong," and it causes more problems than anything else. Someone who is going to turn purple from arguing with me doesn't deserve to have my attention, anyway. Either we can act like adults, or we should all take our toys and go home.
Who made you the forum police? Hmm?
I recall a thread where you mentioned that all Republicans are racist. I also recall a thread where you stated that Mitt Romney was mentally ill, then replied "yawn" to everyone who posted facts about Mitt Romney, then called either "racist" or "uninformed" to anyone who proclaimed they were a Romney supporter. Then, when I stated I would no longer participated in the thread because of its hateful nature, you "thanked" me.
If you want to talk to people about "the Right" dominating forum posts, then stop posting topics directed at "the Right" and insulting "the Right" so you don't give them anything to respond to. It is my guess that you have to deal with "the Right" "all over the internet" because you probably post such agenda-driven topics everywhere. Try being respectful and open-minded to people, and you probably won't get as much flack.
*Edit: Just reading through your responses here... Talk about the "takes one to know one" concept.
You ain't got much room to talk. I don't care if I like wut you say or not.
Can I just say that in Europe, the term 'extreme right' refers to facists, neo-Nazis and racists. Do we mean extreme right, or are we just talking about people who adopt a certain moral standpoint on certain issues?
Here we go again. Get yourself under control. I mean that I will handle things where I can moderate the comments and the discussion. I won't tolerate trolls being given free range on my forum posts while I can't.
You need to be careful what you say.
You think everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
Give me an example of a good response so we have an idea......
What do you mean by "given free range"?
I have been banned before for nothing more than insinuating the president was shooting the bird at the nation.
Then perhaps you shouldn't start discussions here on hubpages if you can't keep up with the discussion. If I were to start a political thread I would expect anyone that has something to add or refute to comment. This is the whole point of having an open forum.
We come from all corners, large cities of millions of people and tiny towns with hundreds or less. I think JSChams mentioned he was from the South, I'm from Chicago... I wouldn't expect him to have all the same concerns or beliefs that I have but that doesn't make his concerns or beliefs any less important than my own or yours.
If I were to keep my head in the sand and only converse with like minded individuals then I may never grow or expand my knowledge base. I don't have to agree with people with different political ideologies but I can't just shut them out because of it. And for me, if the discussion becomes a personal attack or constant mockery... then I just ignore that person or people. I don't live in a cubbyhole and I know most people tend to be civil in real life and these forums give some people a level of anonymity to express themselves in ways that they wouldn't normally pursue.
The only place you get to moderate the comments and the discussion is on your own Hubs or your own forum but you don't want to moderate, you want to control... there is no discussion there and no reason for anyone else to participate.
I can't quite understand how you are supposed to have these discussions without opposing viewpoints but apparently if you disagree with her you are out of control.
I don't think she understands either how easy it is to get banned here.
I'm not sure if this is your intent, but I think I see real concern and dismay in your posts here.
You're right. It IS easy to get banned here. In this contentious election season, it seems to be easier than ever.
The line is invisible and it's hard to see until you've crossed it.
However, if you pay close attention (which I do), you will notice there is, on most threads, a self-censoring mechanism. If one poster seems to be going over the edge, it is noticed and commented on.
When you start seeing yourself talked about in the third person, you know you're in the danger zone and it would be wise to give yourself a time out!
In many ways we politics posters are like siblings in a family. We fight like hell amongst ourselves. But we care for each other, too.
[official liberal communist theme song. ]
I am from California; you can't get much more radical.
If you don't like the way a forum is going contact Hub Pages and ask them to remove it.
It works beautifully.
I have run into that more than one, the rightwingers inane arguments and we are supposed to absorb like a paper towel, but they are always so touchy when they are called on their lies and misrepresentations.
Its a forum, we can respond if we want. The only rants are the ones I see from you. On and on calling people insane because they dare disagree with you, tough world ain't it?
"Here we go again. Get yourself under control. I mean that I will handle things where I can moderate the comments and the discussion."
Sorry to inform you, this is a republic, not a dictatorship. We have a Constitution that allows free speech, even if you do not like it and even the rantings you post. You got upset because several people called you out for the same things you do all the time. Whether you know it or not, you post the most uncivil comments, you cannot do that and not expect people to stick up for themselves. And hose types of comments is why you get sent to the sin bin for a few days and cannot post.
Having said that, I agree with you people do get off topic, sometimes in a huge way. DO you want to real people in when they wander, post a comment that strictly reminds everyone of the topic and to please stay on it. Simple, clean and polite. I have done that several times on ones I created and it generally works.
I am just passing on some friendly advise, what you do with it is up to you.
Here's how I approach it:
I try to start threads that will excite (or incite, depending on your viewpoint) people to participate.
Serious, silly, fact-based or far-fetched -- inviting people to jump in (or on) with their opinion, that's all that matters.
Where the conversation goes from there is a function of who finds the topic interesting/provocative.
Usually, that means attracting a disproportionate amount of attention from the "other side."
But who shows up and what they say is not my responsibility. It's theirs.
It's not necessary to reply to every post -- or any post!
After the OP, I don't consider it "my" thread.
Sometimes I contribute heavily.
Other times, if things become too heated or snarky, I walk away and say, "Have at it, boys (and girls)."
Or leave and come back several posts later to rejoin the conversation wherever it happens to have (d)evolved to by that time.
I may not agree with or even like what's being said. But hey -- it's not about me. I can stop contributing and move on.
Luckily, there are always a ton of other threads to jump into!
Regardless of who starts a thread, my responsibility is to my own posts.
Hey Mom guess what? We agree! Yay!
Maybe you can help her understand that just becasue I disagree I am not a racist troll. I am not even sure she understands that.
You said it perfectly, and you do start some cool threads.
See we have to find a way to get Xenon to understand what discussion means.
Even we Conservatives can have a discussion.
I wonder if she knows Conservative women bear their young live?
A noble goal, JS.
Meanwhile, you've got the start of what could (possibly) be a good hub or forum thread:
"Dispelling the stupidest myths and misconceptions about conservatives."
Easily expandable to address the myths and misconceptions about liberals.
I've gotta go work now.
Catch y'all later. (Or to be inclusive of others here, "all y'all").
It's not that I really care about hub pages forums or being banned. There are better places to be than where the extreme right dominate and manipulate. I will get my two cents in, don't worry.
It's not fair to ask people to use tactics beyond what they know!
Not everyone who posts uses dominance and manipulation.
And even if they do, if we let it ruin our day, then they've won.
Don't let them!!
I could not care less. Again. If it does not pay, I will not waste my time with it here. This is not a family or a community. It is a place to get paid.
Why does an opposing viewpoint freak you out so bad Xenon. You should be a Conservative and all you hear when you come here in how Evil you are.
JS, present company excluded, but I know of who she speaks....none hear today or tonight.....have you noticed, I think maybe some of them are being punished...
Well I was actually afraid she got banned earlier because there was some real unfortunate wording early on.
It is not hard at all to get banned here. I don't want to see that because you lose the opportunity to learn and put forth possible good things.
Go back and look at the first five or ten posts and she dang near came unglued on me for nothing. Literally nothing.
JS, I think it hurt her feelings, and I understand...it just happened to me a couple of days ago and I was not the one being insane....but I think the one's who have been very hateful are being punished today....it's been really quite
Well I don't see that I could have hurt her feelings but I may be wrong. I don't try to do that.
I use some strong thoughts and words sometimes but I respect most of the folks here.
Xenonlit concerns me because she seems to believe if you are not a Democrat....and ironically I am a registered democrat...then you ARE a racist. She seems to believe that motivates any Conservative thought and she is wrong. That's all I try to get across to her.
JS, You know I like you, we may disagree, but you are respectful...I mean someone else has been very cruel to her and then they punished her, and that hurt her and made her mad...I understand...I have been called every name in the book by the "disrespectfuls" It makes the blood boil...Have you read her profile? She is a very well educated person...it's hard from our side JS, we are the "love everybody" folks, it's our ideology, and we do not understand when those that are hateful bullies get away with murder...we want right and good to conquer the evils...in a nut shell, that's my two cents(mispelled on pupose,lol)
Yes I have seen her profile and find it hard to believe when she loses it like she does here.
And there are other places i have debated and been called everything but a white man literally just because I let it be known I am Conservative.
There is a big problem with the political game played in this country and it the reason for the fit I am currnetly throwing on that other forum I started.
If you are a Democrat Liberal you are the salt of the earth and all the press throw petals at your feet when you come in for an interview and smiles......
If you are Conservative you are death incarnate and evil and have veins protruding from your teeth and only when of the elections are rigged. Women shield their children's eyes from them one the street.....
Neither of those are true....it's BS of the most insidious sort but that's the game played in the media and amongst the politicians who call each other evil and go out and have dinner together at night.
JS, I see it the opposite, why anyone would still think after 8 yrs of Bush and the technological advances today to be able to research, that anyone would ever believe trickle down works is beyound me...My Esoteric wrote a hub about the $5 mill and Romney, please read it....He is a cost analyst, he would benefit from Romney being elected, but he is not that kind of person...and neither are you JS, and I'm not saying your acting evil...I am saying I can see a good light in you, and I think if you did some digging, you would not want a Romney President...He is not like Reagan, he is like W.
Where did I say anything about trickle down economics?
Where did i say that was what I was about?
This is another bit of propaganda.
Tammy no one would ever know if it works or not because it gets repealed so quickly after it gets put in place it never has the opportunity to show result one way or another.
All that aside...............I pointed out how the game works. You know I am right.
I know both sides of the isle have corruption...I do not believe Obam is corrupt...I do believe Romney is....money like that, never knowing the conditions of regular fols, let along the poor....
Please read my post on the other forum.
If it's like that we need to lose a party don't we because they are all just evil.
You need to know better than that Tammy.
The problem here is that politics should not be decided on feelings, however the majority of minds are "feelers". This is why everything (not just politics) is in the state it's in. Emotions have no I.Q. Re Thinkers vs Feelers (see C G Jung), with feelers emotional reactions CREATE their thoughts whereas thinkers just think to evaluate the material on it's own. Feelers are satisfied with anything (not just politics) on face value. That explains why they get hyper-emotional when somebody attacks their view of politicians that could give less than a damn about them. You see, they are ALL millionaires (which is part of why they sign up for the job). Duh! They are not relegated to going to cheap places. You are.
Most Democrats are feelers because it's set up to appeal to their emotions while the democrats in government's goal is no different than the conservatives. It's to get rich. Anybody who doesn't get this is a dolt.
Period. Conservatism is set up to appeal to those who care about money. Either way, they're all in there to pull whatever strings will get you to do what they want you to (75% of population is feelers so emotion is the key for them). The people in control use this psychological model to decide how to even make commercials (frightening, eh?). Since thinkers are only 25% of the population and aren't the type to jump on bandwagons, commercials are made for feelers. Once they have your emotions, they have your money. You see something you want. It gives you a feeling. You spend money pursuing that feeling. Thinkers aren't wired like that and wonder how any commercial is supposed to make them buy anything (IF they even bother with TV which is difficult for them to watch).
The only people I respect politically are Independents because they don't just swallow whatever either side is selling. People defend politicians like they care about common citizens. They don't. They only pass laws to look like they're doing something. They sign up for politics (with all it's stressors and risks) to get a piece of that money. Anybody who doesn't understand this shouldn't be taking seriously when they give their "political views". Emotions have no I.Q.
Respectful doesn't mean eggshelling around everyone's emotional state and their ability to critically think (evaluating the material from a place of detachment and not emotion) or not.
"Education" doesn't denote one's ability to process anything on it's merits. As an educated person, it really doesn't.
Legitimate racism does happen, but not nearly with the frequency people that scream this would have you believe. Even racists make continual exceptions for people they want to like or love.
In a similar vein, there are two types of people everywhere: those that make themselves meet the reality that just is, and those that distort reality to match what they need to believe (despite all evidence to the contrary). For instance, if I want to dislike someone.....despite that everything about them matches an exceptional person, I will just dislike them anyway with no basis in reason or reality. If somebody confronts me on it, I will just attack them (and avoid the evaluation of how I reached what I reached no matter what) with increasing vehemence. The person who calls me on anything should be seen as an attacker and so I should only attack back as aggressively as possible while insuring that we can never discuss the original dilemma on it's merits no matter what. This is an emotional response to a reality problem.
Ultimately, many people scream racism because it's the only defense they have that's supposed to scare and confuse everyone. If they are hyper-emotional and have reality issues, the only thing available is to attack even to the point of making themselves look repulsive. Understand that they aren't thinking about the merits of the discussion OR about how they look. They're just reacting because that's what they (and the best that they can) do. They will never fix it because they are not in reality. They are in their emotions. The hyper-emotional don't have the fortitude to argue things on their merits, so they have to employ this last-resort tactic.
Further, many scream racism to cover for their own mediocrity or inadequacy, and since they can't permit themselves to actually look at themselves and admit several areas of inadequacy, mentally they have to blame someone. If it's not "racist", it will be some/any other problem/reason. People that continually do this do not evaluate themselves and can absolutely never take responsibility for anything they do. From now on, check it out. Don't react emotionally. Instead, back away enough to listen and evaluate what's behind all that vehemence.
I understand what you are saying Xenonlit. There is a very strong rightward bias amonst the people who run this website. I had a situation in the past in which a right wing extremist began posting personal insults against me in their comments because of an article I had written. HubPages management refused take action on my behalf when I requested that these personal insults be removed. They responded that they like controversy and "opposing viewpoints" ; even though, the nature of the offending comments was not just an "opposing viewpoint" but rather personal disparagement against me.
Oh - and JSChams - it's not so "easy to get banned" here. The comments I am speaking of should have gotten the user banned and did not.
I'm sorry you had hateful things said about you because of what you wrote.
I think it's actually testament that your writing is powerful! That doesn't excuse it or make it right.
Now, are you talking about comments on someone's HUB that were disparaging against you?
That's a bit different from posts in a forum thread.
Comments on a hub are "one step removed" from the intense personal exchanges here on the forums. For one thing, it is (or can be) up to the hub author to accept or deny individual comments.
I've had incredibly hateful comments left on some of my hubs -- basically eviscerating me and calling me a liar when I'm writing about my own uniquely personal story.
Some people are just haters, I guess.
You're right. It's not easy to get banned based on comments on someone's hub.
HP community managers don't monitor hub comments the way they do the forums.
Sounds like you asked them to take a look at the comments and take action, but based on their response, the comments must have been within the TOS for hubs.
Not defending their decision, and if you really feel it was a personal attack, I would suggest reapproaching HP management to look again.
Here on the forums it is incredibly easy to get banned -- if you let "them" get under your skin. Or if someone gets het up at you and wants to retaliate.
Your philosophy of walking away is tried and true.
Good reminder to all of us!
Not really a bias. Those on the right also say the site is too liberal. You will never please everyone. But personal attacks... and trolls who obviously have 3 or 4 accounts, are flagged yet remain ... should be dealt with quickly.
And, a good way to avoid getting banned is not allow yourself to be baited by people whose only reason for being on the forum is to do that.
I strongly disagree about this website having a right bias, I find it to be the opposite. If I post a hub questioning a policy from the right, it posts no problem. Post one questioning the left, it gets unpublished many times, I have to argue by eail with the lame excuses as they keep telling me I have to change it.. When all is said and done and the time cycle on the subject has passed, it finally is allowed to republish. By the way, every time they unpub it I make no changes and when it is allowed to stand, I still made no changes
I will reiterate: My only beef is not being able to moderate and keep the discussion on topic, then allowing the ranters to continue. The whole thing should have been shut down if it was going to get out of control. A few trolls never hurt my feelings or I would have quit a long time ago. I just can't stand unmoderated goat ropes.
Sometimes all I can do after reading through some of these threads is to chuckle. I think we need to mute all political commercials, throw away the flyers and turn off the news, and stay out of political forums if we can't discuss and behave like grown ups. It's politics! Remember??
Countering one extreme with the opposite extreme is hardly the best way to reach people. It only causes further polarization.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
- George Bernard Shaw
Then again maybe a man has the frigging sense to know that some of the people are led by the nose and he does not wish to be. It's called common sense.
Fully agree. For feelers, to be part of large bodies is their common sense. For thinkers, to be part of large bodies in nonsensical.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex...it takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction"...Albert Einstein
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, and its not the most intelligent that survives, It is the one that is the most adaptable to change...Charles Darwin
Precisely.....which is why I won't be voting for either one of those dolts and can't believe people are wasting time on them.
I wouldn't let anybody know I was out of it enough to consider voting for either of them. Geez.
badmofo, I understand and respect your point of view I am actually voting for Obama, I have reasons wrote all over the forums and in my hubs...but I respect your right to believe as you so wish, that is actually why I will vote Obama, I believe in everybodies right to choose.
Tammy, I gathered that. Re your adaptable to change, who would that be here? Everybody's so dug into their position regardless of reason. Who were you talking about being adaptable to change since it's none of the people who will continue to vote the way they always do?
Nobody's seeming genius or courageous enough to even think past the views they've carried their whole lives, so I'm trying to understand what you meant, not what you said.
badmofo, I have reasons galore, but...if you want to part of something to create some change...join me and other libs, dems, conservatives, moderates, etc. at the House Fire Project, aka themanwithnopants, here at the hub, Jim Brown....it's his organization, we vote different but agree that change is needed, big change...check it out, be part of history
I just wanted you to explain what you meant by what you said. I'm not a feeler so I'm not a "joiner" or collectivist. I will be voting and for neither of the two main goofballs. What collectivists achieve is getting together. Change is done by other mechanisms.
Badmofo, If a "feeler" is someone who has feelings, yes I am..I am not a robot nor a computer, so yes I have feelings...do they get the better of me sometimes? Sure, they do, I am human...but my vote can not only be about how I feel, sure I believe what I have been through in life dictates my personal views, my personality, but it does not mean I am not intelligent...and yes I would vote for anyone who represnted my beliefs...black, white, purple..man, woman, R, D, other...to thine onself be true
Right. How does race even keep coming up? Everybody has feelings, Tammy. It's just that thinkers consider things then let how they feel about those things unfold. They don't react to everything at let that create their thoughts. It has nothing to do with robots vs. humans. All I asked you was to explain what you said about courage, genius, and change. What are you doing differently (regarding voting) this year than you have since you've been an adult? That is for the 3rd time the question.
I am a dem, I voted for Clinton and Gore, did not vote at all Bush second term (had given up) then Obama...When I voted for Clinton, I almost voted Perot because his business man approach (much the same reason I believe R's are voting Romney....Clinton was the first time I was old enough to vote...since the I have seen the system slide far right, so I actually think In the 80's Obama may have been a moderate, maybe even an R The courage I guess is the fact my vote never counts in this Blood red R State of TN, and that I am the only D in my family, and one of few I know...As far as survival of the fittest, I am quite adaptable and not at all materialistic...and I have no delusion that I am superior..So thank you for your patience with asking 3 times
You still never answered the question about what I asked about what you yourself said. I don't care about all that story and background. I just wanted an answer to my question. None of that was it. Oh well.
I explained courage and change as far as genius, well I am not the person making this bigger and more complex, sooooo....sorry if you do not understand...I thought you sounded like someone who may help the organization I spoke to you about, to create real change, to be brave enough to do something different, but I was wrong I suppose..thank you for the conversation(if that is what this was?) Have a great evening
Right. I understand perfectly. the initial subtext was intended as a veiled attack which was just restated here. That's cool. It's a formula. Subtext isn't slick. Just state what the heck you mean. I guess you couldn't answer my questions because they were meant as an insult. Right on. Nice try.Trying to get you to answer one question shouldn't be complex, but it certainly is. I already told you I wasn't a collectivist. DId you hear that part? I am brave enough to do something different, but it won't be through your organization. You brought up courage, change, and genius. I guess that sounds smart!, but you can't even make your insult relevant. Nothing I said is complex because it makes sense. What you said is complex. You have yourself a great evening.
badmofo, I think you misunderstand completely, but that is fine...it is not my org. another hubber started that long before I came to the hubpages...I do not need slick subtext, I am honest...I was not insulting you, not in my bag of tricks...was only making a point...and yes, you do have feelings don't you, angry ones...I do not understand your anger, I felt you were be condescending and I do not appreciate it, so there we are....
Funny. I haven't a bit of anger. I'm sorry you FELT I was being condescending (caught that from you earlier), but that's how FEELERS HEAR. Their FEELINGS create their thoughts. If you were me, YOU'D be angry. It's just an exercise. It's a different brand of brain. Why you couldn't answer the question is because your feeling were creating thoughts about organizations, family history, and all that other stuff. You are who the politicians and the companies market to who buy it wholesale. You are who doesn't realize that it doesn't matter which one you pick because 75% of each are EMOTIONAL so whatever gets to some majority will get one of their people (either one) in. If they try to do other than what the Crown orders them to do, they are executed. Did you notice the video of Jackie O immediately after John was executed? Did you see her reach immediately behind his head and grab something (whereas ordinarily people would have taken a few minutes to get their heads around that their spouse was just shot)? What was it? The people who run this show call everyone "cattle". Did you know that? So all that stuff about who appeals to each side and that is.......it's a game show. Most of the people will be continue to be caught up in the game show.
Cattle are fully on both sides. Emotions have no I.Q.
There was never any argument or any arrogance. Emotions and I.Q. was never directed at you. That's just how things work (doesn't matter how anybody FEELS about it including you or me). I was merely trying to get you to answer one question (introduced by you) in a cohesive way, but I got bored of that (not your fault.....just how things work). What did Jackie O grab? Why? That should change what you think about politics altogether is the point. Just that one little piece. No groups will be enlightening you to that. That's not what groups talk or THINK about.
badmofo...I am not about groupthink...I love conspiracy theories, and believe there is always a slim line of truth there...If you are saying that the top is an Aristocracy, I agree...I wedge my bet, that if the votes DO count at all, then our people would be better served by a democratic ideology, it buys time....because it will take group effort if we face revolution or enlightenment...
I hear you (really do). Revolutiion or enlightenment still require mostly one's own preparation though. They don't call in UN monitors to make sure our votes are counted "correctly". it really may NOT matter how we vote (regardless of who for), but hopefully enough people have finally had enough to try something outrageous (which still may not matter) because this time we really really don't have anything to lose.Nothing's what it looks like, but they don't have to make it look that good for us to just go along with whatever. The conspiracy is what people debate each other about that doesn't even really exist while they do whatever they want. They were sick enough of Bush to try the black guy. Now they've really had it with both parties enough to be looking at some radical new choices. It should be interesting.
You do understand the concept of a forum, right? There will be opposing views. You can't block the non-Obama Kool-aide Drinkers.
If you want to get into a discussion where everyone will agree with everything you say, perhaps you'd be better off having a Barack Hussein Obama Coffee Clutch in your own home where you can invite only like minded people. It would certainly work much better than posting leading questions like, "Is Mitt Romney mentally stable enough to be President?," then getting upset when we don't all agree to the point you start insulting other hubbers.
You are a troll. I know trolls and I know how to deal with them. This means ignoring just about anything you post. Ever.
Then why are you replying to their post directly? Like I said, takes one to know one.
The best idea is to drop the "god" idea completely. It's a nonsense.
The important thing is to be respectful of others - even if you disagree. Calling folks "crazy" or "extremist" isn't conducive to a discussion.
While we all have our own ideas - especially when it comes to politics, we need to leave the slams directed at the politicians and not at our fellow posters.
In America the terms: "'extreme right' refers to facists, neo-Nazis and racists", means 'in waiting'.
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