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R.I.P. Mitt Romney

  1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    Robert Shrum in the Daily Beast:

    "The campaign has come down to a race between Mitt’s media and Mitt’s mistakes—and the mistakes are winning...

    "In a last-ditch attempt to crack Ohio and Michigan, Romney has now resorted to advertising an outright lie—that Chrysler’s Jeep division will soon move its jobs from the United States to China. The media has debunked the fiction, which was borrowed from the fantasy precincts of the rightwing blogs. The Detroit press called it “false”  in a news story— not just on the editorial page. TV stations have scorned the Romney spot—at times, pre-emptively refuting it just before it airs. When Bozo the Trump tweeted the lie, a Chrysler Vice President swiftly tweeted back: “You are full of shit.” The Obama response ad was easy to make, entirely believable—and of course, showed a grimly grinning Romney letting Detroit go bankrupt. Maybe he’s created a new watchword and a warning for Presidential politics: Would that mine opponent would write an op-ed.

    "Now fast forward nearly four years to last summer in a second, probably fateful Mitt mistake. It fits with the first one—and reinforces the narrative of an out-of-touch, plutocratic candidate who doesn’t care about working families or the middle class. Romney let the Obama campaign pummel and define him as the profiteering-job destroyer from Bain. Eighteen years after this attack shattered his Senate bid against Ted Kennedy, you would think Mitt had an answer other than nostrums about “free-enterprise.” The fact that he didn’t offer one suggests that there isn’t a convincing one. When he was asked on CBS, he simply brushed the question aside: the President is “grasping at any straw he can find.” 



    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … _afternoon

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      logic,commonsenseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, Shrum is a real icon for intelligence, fairness, and honesty.  What a joke!

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Just curious, why not tell us why you say that?

        1. Xenonlit profile image60
          Xenonlitposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You could go on vacation for a week and when you get back, you will not get an answer to that question.

    2. KFlippin profile image59
      KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If Mitt Romney loses this race for the Presidency -- the blame is precisely placed on the mesmerized media of CNN, CNBC, and all three networks - it will be on them.  I've made a point of watching all the coverage, and it is so pathetically and sadly and mericilessly clear that the liberal media simply wants to win their guy again -- and to hell with the future of the USA, and to hell with complete coverage, fair coverage, equal coverage, and darn sure don't mention Benghazi.  They will regret that in the years to come - but regrets don't change anything and no one in the USA will take any pleasure in that - we will all be sharing the pain and regret - and we will all be trying to find a way out of the darkness in those future years - together.

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh yes the "liberal media" you do realize both psychology and economics says that is impossible right?

        1. Barefootfae profile image61
          Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes and then there is reality and they are left as left gets.
          I had a friend who went to broadcasting school and the head instructor told him point blank conservatism and broadcasting were like oil and water.
          The suckers want their hero back at all costs.

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
            Cody Hodge5posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            To be fair, conservatives have almost free reign on talk radio.

            1. Barefootfae profile image61
              Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, and liberals have been there and consistently failed.
              Why is that Cody?

        2. KFlippin profile image59
          KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          In what world or what doctrine are you told that false reality?  Oh yeah, the predominantly liberal one........

          1. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Like the Daily Kos who once described the fetus as a "parasite".
            Nope nothing leftist there.....

          2. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            *sigh* no it's just science, psychology and simple logic tells us that people like listening to and reading stuff that they agree with hence most MSNBC and Koos viewers/readers are leftists and most FOX and Breitbart viewers/readers are right wing. Now economics tell us that demand creates supply, as in if there is a market for something and people will buy it someone will make it to get that money, that's how business works, since there are roughly the same number of Democrats and Republicans around the most basic rules of economics make it unavoidable that they will have roughly equal coverage to fully cover the market, media is business after all.

            I know explaining this is a waste of time but hey those are the simple facts.

            1. Barefootfae profile image61
              Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wonderful idea but it does not work that way.

              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Good answer tongue Actually that is exactly how it works, those are fundamental universal laws of economics and human behavior. Which is why you have no actual reasoned answer to the argument.

                1. Barefootfae profile image61
                  Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Josak,
                  Most of the press in this country are run by liberals. That's just a known fact.
                  Some of them even admit it freely.

                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yup a lot of them are and a lot of them are run by conservatives that number has to be roughly equal in viewership and readership simple as that.

      2. Barefootfae profile image61
        Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        AMEN Sister!

        1. KFlippin profile image59
          KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          AMEN to you as well.........

        2. tammybarnette profile image61
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Hey girlies, do some research on the owners of FOX, read about Rupert Murdock and Prince al-Wadid...

          1. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah.............
            Talk to me about George Soros Tammy. What do you know about him hmmmm?

          2. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I don't even watch Fox Tammy.

            1. KFlippin profile image59
              KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this
            2. tammybarnette profile image61
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Barefootfae, I am glad you don't, and I do not watch MSNBC...you and I may disagree politically, but we have had some good conversations....For every Soros, there is a Koch, so let's not get lost to the loonies now, right smile

              1. Barefootfae profile image61
                Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Right. I want you to read my stories. you will like.

                1. tammybarnette profile image61
                  tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I will smile Hey, I ordered some of those barefoot sandals, can't wait till they get here smile they look like little pearls!

                  1. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Cool! They aren't hard to make out of leather and stuff. Takes about five minutes then you can add your own bling and stuff on them.

              2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Please don't equate Soros with the Koch brothers.

                1. Barefootfae profile image61
                  Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Why not Ralph. I have a forum where he is trying to screw veterans through his think tank.
                  Why shouldn't we look at him?

                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    So obviously you don't understand how a think tank works.

                2. tammybarnette profile image61
                  tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I guess what I mean , is they feel the same way about him, as I do the brothers...common ground wherever we can find it feels good honestly...too much hate in the forums sometimes, gives me crummies in my tummy...

                  1. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh I don't want hate but I try to let people know when I see a double standard.
                    Sometimes I have to get a little snarky but I actually don't hate anyone here.

                  2. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Basically both sides have sugar daddies and then sit back and try to call the other evil.
                    Heard a woman the other day being interviewed. Used to be a Dem operative and said she got tired of watching them call each other evil during the day and go out for dinner together at night.

                3. KFlippin profile image59
                  KFlippinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You are sadly mistaken if you think it is A OK for you embrace  Soros and not think he does not have a higher global goal in mind that only benefits himself and his heirs and partners...that is silly.  If Soros was mistakenly perceived, like Obama, as having pristine intentions, he would be all over the liberal media ............ and he most certainly is not.  Wake up.

                  1. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Good luck with that. They walk right away from Soros as soon as you mention him. That's when you get Koch thrown at you . Notice that?

                  2. tammybarnette profile image61
                    tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    K and Barefootfae, They all call eachother evil and then go play golf..ALL...I joined an organization called the House Fire Project, a fellow hubber Jim(themanwithnopants) He is conservative, but agrees they all play dirty pool and has started this organization inorder to fight corruption...I think he has a good idea...I mean look at all the corruption we can find just sitting here at the computers, beating eachother up while they play golf....hmmmm, we should instead, find ways to charge the wrong doers, and lets go play golf, or tag, or have lunch smile

  2. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    You would think that refusing to talk to the media -- which Romney has done, especially in the last few days -- would incur their wrath and they would retaliate.
    Haven't seen any Mitt backlash to speak of.
    Hmmm.

    1. wavegirl22 profile image47
      wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think it is more then just a few days since he wont speak to the media. Fits to a tee the elevator story from when he was a Governor and he would rope it off so no one could ride with him.
      At this point it all comes down to Mitts Mistakes.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The media and the public have been unbelievably forgiving on Mitt's Mistakes (formerly gaffes, now upgraded to mistakes).
        He's been like Teflon.

        Oh -- Robert Shrum is on TV right now explaining the RIP Mitt article.

        I think going up against Chrysler and GM with phony scare ads is what FINALLY outed him as a desperate liar.

  3. William F. Torpey profile image85
    William F. Torpeyposted 4 years ago

    Mitt doesn't need to make "mistakes" to lose this election. His positions on the issues are all wrong in the first place, and when he turns around and takes an opposite position, as usual, he's all wrong again. How can anyone (and that includes Republicans) vote for Mitt who cares about the future of our country?

    1. Shyron E Shenko profile image84
      Shyron E Shenkoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What positions???  He does not have one until after/if he is elected.  The only way he can win is if the voting machines are hacked (Hart Intercivic)

  4. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    Mitt...we hardly knew ye.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Habee,
      Truest words of the entire campaign!
      Bravo!!

      http://www.woodviewhoa.org/assets/images/FirstPrizeRibbon.gif

      1. habee profile image92
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I thought you'd like it, MM. lol

  5. Barefootfae profile image61
    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago

    My son likes sports and likes to watch football and basketball. He really gets in a twist when some team that was ranked above the other loses. He thinks those rankings should be set in stone. I always have to say:"Son, that's why they play the games."

    So i think before we lay Romney to rest we need to see what happens when the election actually occurs.
    Not to mention you wouldn't want to post stuff like this which might discourage someone from voting now would you?????????????

  6. American View profile image60
    American Viewposted 4 years ago

    The election is two days and we shall see what happens. I wonder though, no matter who wins, when some things come to light, will there be regret? I wonder how some will feel when that first Jeep runs out the door in China.

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this
      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "I wonder how some will feel when that first Jeep runs out the door in China."

        That will be a win-win for Chinese customers, Chrysler, and Chrysler engineers in the U.S.

      2. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Maddow has an interesting way in reporting, perhaps she should listen before speaking. Please note the clip from Romney saying" he read Jeep is THINKING of moving their operations to China". That is a fact, 100 percent true.They are going to open the closed plant in China and are doing a "feasibility study" on moving the entire Jeep production line overseas.

        Romney did not say it was a fact they were moving, that is how things get twisted and spun around.

        Of course all we have to due is tune into the American View show as we will have special guest COO Mike Manley of Fiat to address these rumors. In a pre-interview, he confirmed the Bloomberg story.

        1. tammybarnette profile image61
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          AV, I believe the plants in China will also expand, Romney twists the truth however, as per the statement of the CEO...But I will catch that show smile

          1. American View profile image60
            American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Opps, LOL smile  Sorry about that, I was posting that for someone else but I guess I hit the wrong button. Oh well. Have a great day. smile

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "They are going to open the closed plant in China and are doing a "feasibility study" on moving the entire Jeep production line overseas. "

          From what I've read that's a bald-faced lie. Where do you get that stuff?
          How do we turn into the American View show?

          1. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I guess that depends on what you read and who wrote it.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
              Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I've read both Detroit newspapers and the NY Times, all of which say that Romney's ads are false (the first) and highly misleading (the second). A Chrysler VP tweeted that Donald Trump was full of shit when he was echoing the Romney ad about moving Jeep production to China. A GM spokesman also spoke out about what Romney's been saying in Ohio. Chrysler is EXPANDING Jeep production in Ohio and Michigan and hiring a bunch of people. That is FACT. Chrysler is considering building Jeeps in China FOR THE CHINA MARKET.

              From Bloomberg:

              "Chrysler Group LLC Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne reiterated that Jeep sport-utility vehicle production will stay in the U.S. after presidential candidate Mitt Romney suggested output may move to China.

              “Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” Marchionne wrote today in a letter to Auburn Hills, Michigan-based Chrysler’s employees. “Jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the United States and will constitute the backbone of the brand. It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

              1. Barefootfae profile image61
                Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Detroit and NY huh? Well.....ok then.

          2. American View profile image60
            American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Time for you to take your meds Ralph. Now others here may let you be a bully and call them liars, I will not tolerate it, especially with the stuff you spin.  Earlier you said:

            "That will be a win-win for Chinese customers, Chrysler, and Chrysler engineers in the U.S."

            That sounds like you agreed that Jeep is going to open its closed factory in China. But the issue is not CHina and you continue to ignore that. Fiat believes it will sell 500,000 Jeeps in Europe, an exploding market for them. Add in the 300,000 per year in CHina,  Problem is the US line cannot keep up with that demand.

            Seems chinaautoweb.com agrees with the story. And please note the date on the article, the decision was made long before election time. The announcement was made May 10,2010. Notice the article names the guy you say is denying it.

            'In a recent interview, John Kett, vice president and CEO of Chrysler’s Asia-Pacific operations, confirmed this, echoing Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne’s words that Fiat is to have a production capacity of 300,00 units a year in China within five years through its joint venture with GAC (Guangzhou Automobile Group Co.).

            http://chinaautoweb.com/2010/05/fiat-to … -to-china/

            So how could Romney be wrong about something announced in 2010? I mean he only read about it in 2012.  I would guess those looking to cover up and discredit Romney are doing so because he found out before election time. Oh that tangled web

            1. wavegirl22 profile image47
              wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The Romney's Auto Mess is just one more nail in his coffin.

              so what did I miss....what did Ralph spin?

              1. Barefootfae profile image61
                Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                He would get dizzy if he tried to walk a straight line.

                1. wavegirl22 profile image47
                  wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  thats a whole lot of intelligence that you just added, thank you for enlightening me.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
              Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry, Pal. I don't recall calling anybody a liar other than Mitt Romney. But if the shoe fits...
              Romney's first lying ad said Chrysler was moving jeep production from Ohio to China. When that didn't sell he came out with another misleading ad implying that Chrysler's plan to build jeeps in China would somehow jeopardize Chrysler jobs in Ohio. This is simply not true. Chrysler is expanding Jeep production in the U.S. and hiring plenty of new workers in Ohio and Michigan. Please explain why you think producing Jeeps in China for the Chinese market would be a negative for Ohio. That's simply not true.

              1. American View profile image60
                American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Once more, you miss the point and the shoe does not fit here.

                You continue to mislead, did you not listen to the clip provided earlier which started this whole controversy? Romney never said Jeep was definitely moving all operations to China, he said they are THINKING about doing it and he is right, they are thinking about it  So you and he hardcore left continue to spin it as Romney said it as a fact, sorry he did not.

                And even after you were shown a link from 2 years ago when they said they are doing it, you still do not believe it. How is the weather in the land of OZ today?

                From Chrysler:

                "Chrysler Group LLC will announce next week it will add more than 1,600 production workers at an Illinois assembly plant signaling the start of a hiring blitz that promises to add thousands of workers to the auto maker's plants over the next three years."  The next 3 years, a lot can happen in 3 years. WHere did Obama say unemployment would be by now?

            3. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              So you are now calling the head of Fiat/Chrysler a liar, inferring he is in a coverup about his own company's expansion plans?

              1. American View profile image60
                American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                MM,

                I have not called anyone anything. I am mearly pointing out what they are saying, then some seem to be walking it back. Why? Is it they are upset it came out so close to the election? I do not know, but notice the link I provided for you to read. The date of the story is May 2010, over 2 years ago stating  Fiats intentions with Jeep, 2 YEARS AGO. The same people saying the same thing.

                Also, I was tired of the story, so I got it from the horses mouth. COO Mike Manley will be on my show Monday or Friday for an interview. In my pre interview, he confirmed it. I cannot wait for the interview to put this story to bed.

                1. tammybarnette profile image61
                  tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  AV, If anything has to do with the election, then it would be easy to see, right? If Obama is President, they will benefit more keeping jobs in the US...if Romneys wins, they may move the whole thing,lol...So, as of now, what I see is a company who is planning to grow both markets, nothing wrong with that, and yes Mitt lied, he made it sound, on purpose, that more jobs were leaving for China, as he convenietly omits that jobs were growing here, and ommission is a lie...I know, I have raised many teenagers smile

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    MM,

                    I am sorry if I am a stickler on this. Your son told you his friend John was thinking of going to the local bar and get toasted. John then told you he was not going to the bar. Does that mean your son lied to you? No he did not, he told the truth because John was thinking of going. All Romney said was he read in an article Fiat was thinking, and that is true, they are. The article did not say anything about Jeep expanding in the US, so if it was not in the article for him to read is that an omission? If it was in the Bloomberg article then yes I would agree with you he omitted it, but...

                2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                  Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  " In my pre interview, he confirmed it. "

                  What did he confirm? What is "it?"

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Ralph

                    Are you having memory issues or are you just so into spinning? You even said  you looked forward to hearing it and I cannot wait for it either. Good Grief .

                3. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                  Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Whatever Chrysler may or may not have been thinking two years ago about China according to your version of what Mr. Manley said, Chrysler, according to Chrysler's Chairma, Marchionne, has no plans to move any Jeep production from the U.S. to China or anywhere else. Contrary to Romney's lies, Chrysler is EXPANDING jeep production in Ohio and Michigan. That is a fact!  Chrysler may put additional Jeep production in China for the Chinese market. Why is that so hard for you to accept. Admit your and Mittster's mistake.

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Interesting,

                    So let me get this straight, you will ignore recent articles, ignore one from 2 years ago from a China based web site that does nothing but report on the auto industry, quoting the same people now and 2 years ago, and you choose to ignore them.

                    For the moment, forget who said what when. It is great for Fiat that Jeep is picked up sales in China, but you miss the rest. It is not just China, it is all of Asia. Europe as well is exploding, in fact they expect to sell 500,000 Jeeps in Europe alone. In fact combined they will far out sell the amount of Jeeps sold in America. The existing plants cannot handle the output.

                    Fiat Re opens the line in China to meet the demand as you say "that is good" Let's say they make 50,000 Jeeps. Who made them? was it US auto workers? Was it the Chinese citizens? SO if the Jeep was not built in America by US auto workers would you not agree that is a lost US job, a job shipped overseas? Now I am not saying Fiat is going to lay off any US auto workers, If fact I will say even if Jeep does move to China, Fiat will not lay off any auto workers (this is just a hypothetical, I am not saying they are doing it or not doing it.) So if Jeep gets built overseas and despite no US job losses, would you not agree that is a Lost US job? If we are not building it, it is not a US job right?

        3. cascoly profile image59
          cascolyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          yep - that's the slimy way the right wing works -- they misquote or misstate something, so that they can claim they're technically correct, meanwhile making headlines and tossing red meat to the limbaugh dittos.  an HONEST and RESPONSIBLE candidate, one with integrity would research these things they 'read' or 'heard' BEFORE throwing them out

  7. wavegirl22 profile image47
    wavegirl22posted 4 years ago

    "Everyone paying attention to the election called him on it. Chrysler Group LLC has set the record straight, stating it has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America."

    "Mitt Romney won't come clean on Chrysler, won't come clean on his Chinese investments and threatened the restructuring of GM for his own profit. That is the picture of a me-first hedge-fund investor, not someone who has the judgment or character to be President of the United States."

    You can read the entire article from USA Today here-->
    Romney's Auto Mess Shows He Is Not Ready

  8. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    The October 22, 21012 Bloomberg article is confusing to me. It begins with:

    "Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers' operations in the region."

    It states that Mike Manley said they're reviewing the opportunities of moving part of or the entire Jeep portfolio to China. Later in the article, it says that Jeep won't be shifting output from North America to China.

    What am I missing? Manley seems to be contradicting himself. ????????

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-2 … limbs.html

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Note: The article you linked from Bloomberg is dated October 22. It may be the erroneus one that caused the misunderstanding in the first place. Since then both Chrysler and GM have sharply criticized Romney's ads on China as incorrect and misleading. I'll try to find a more recent Bloomberg article which might clear the matter up. GM is one of the leading car makers in China. This strengthens its US operations. Profits in China helped make up for losses in Europe and contributed to the recent positive earnings report.

      Here is a Bloomberg article from October 31:

      "Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a crowd of supporters at an Oct. 25 campaign event that Chrysler Group LLC was considering moving Jeep production to China, citing an unidentified news story. Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne said yesterday in a message to employees that Jeep sport-utility vehicle output will stay in the U.S., reiterating the company’s statements in an Oct. 25 blog post.

      "Romney has aired ads in the closely contested state of Ohio that are critical of Chrysler and General Motors Co. (GM) for hiring workers in China, the world’s largest auto market.

      "Bloomberg News reported Oct. 22 that Chrysler’s majority owner Fiat SpA (F) planned to resume Jeep output in China and may eventually make all of the brand’s models there. The report stated that potential production in China would be in addition to output at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio, where Chrysler is adding shifts and hiring more workers.

      "To contact the reporter on this story: Craig Trudell in Southfield, Michigan at ctrudell1@bloomberg.net; "

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-3 … ments.html

      1. habee profile image92
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ralph, I don't know anything about auto makers. Is SpA Fiat just a division of Jeep?

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Fiat is the majority owner of Chrysler Corporation.

    2. Shyron E Shenko profile image84
      Shyron E Shenkoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The article said that “what is being considered” by Chrysler “is adding production in China -- not shutting down American Jeep factories” in the U.S.
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-3 … point.html

  9. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    I just read that Romney has been charged with violating federal ethics laws for hiding money in his wife's blind trust.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

    United Automobile Workers (UAW) and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) have just charged Romney with hiding between 15.3 to 11.5 million dollars from the auto industry bailout in his wife Anne’s “blind” trust to conceal the gain and reduce taxes on it.

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What? OMG, Researching now!

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this
        1. tammybarnette profile image61
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Holy Mother of Pearl! Now everyone can see who he is! lol

          1. rebekahELLE profile image91
            rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            This is from the United Auto Workers official website.  I don't see too much online yet, just a handful of websites. http://www.uaw.org/articles/unions-good … se-big-aut

            http://www.opednews.com/articles/UAW-Fi … 2-673.html

            1. tammybarnette profile image61
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wow rebekahELLE, Well now we understand his unwillingness to show his taxes for those years...good sleuthing! You should start a forum on this!

              1. rebekahELLE profile image91
                rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I found it on my FB feed and did some further searching.  I'd like to know more, but good God, how can people not see through this man and his wife??  He's so corrupt, but those who support him won't see it.
                They will simply say it's a last ditch Democratic ploy to win the election.   

                What bothers me from that article is that he made sure his wife didn't have a federally approved blind trust in order to hide millions in profits.

                According to ethics law expert Dan Curry who drafted the ethics complaint, Ann Romney does not have a federally-approved blind trust.  An approved “blind” trust may not be used to hide a major investment which could be affected by Romney if he were to be elected President.

                1. tammybarnette profile image61
                  tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Sadly, you are right...these people protect a man they do not know, I have shown proof of his flip flops, lies, short temper, arrogance, etc. We are suppose to be in a time of transparency but he will not release anything else on his taxes, we know about Bain, his REAL governoring record, and still they would fight for him just because they HATE Obama, they HATE him out of prejudice and bigotry, pure and simple...I have asked many, why do you not like Obama...they have no answer, it's racism, pure and simple, and that is so sad in today's world we have not come far, we are in retrograde...I pray the grass roots real people of this nation can pull it off, I pray!

                  1. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    See I feel about that like you eel about the Valerie Jarrett thing. It looks to me like a last minute ploy to get him whether there is anything behind it or not. I think it may be a little late.

                  2. Barefootfae profile image61
                    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't hate Obama Tammy I just think he is wrong and get a real bad feeling about people who are his advisers.

                2. tammybarnette profile image61
                  tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  rebekahELLE, you were right girl, here comes the spin roll

                  1. movingout profile image61
                    movingoutposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    @tammybarnette and rebekahELLE, Some people just don't like the truth! Romney has worked hard and long to hide his returns. Maybe now even the Republicans can see why! But I'm sure they will cry fowl! lmao Romney has lied and flip flopped on every position. How anyone could vote for him is beyond me. Does the Hate for the POTUS so deeply seeded they're wearing blinders?

                  2. rebekahELLE profile image91
                    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, that's to be expected.  Tammy, feel free to start a forum thread about this if you want.  I would, but I won't be around too much over the next few days to moderate it. {helping with getting Florida to the polls}  I don't want to keep posting on Ralph's thread about a different (although somewhat closely related) topic.  If people want to know, they'll continue the reading on their own, but  the topic does deserve a thread.  If you read nothing else, at least take time to read this article.  It is how the 1% operate... at the taxpayer's expense.
                    http://www.thenation.com/article/170644 … t-bonanza#

  10. Barefootfae profile image61
    Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago

    So filing charges means he did it right? Trial or no?

  11. American View profile image60
    American Viewposted 4 years ago

    Well there sure is not a lot of anything out there but speculation. Perhaps the Romney story is to head off this story, a kind of tit for tat thing between the parties

    "Turner, R-Centerville and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, held a press conference to denounce a decision made during the auto bailout that resulted in salaried Delphi employees seeing their pensions slashed while union Delphi employees were made whole.
    The duo was flanked by three salaried Delphi retirees who saw their pensions reduced by anywhere from 30 to 40 percent, though some salaried employees saw their pensions reduced by 70 percent. The 2009 decision affected pensions of about 700 Dayton-area Delphi retirees.
    Obama “owes Delphi salaried retirees answers,” Turner said."


    http://dispatchpolitics.dispatch.com/co … obama.html

    If I am understanding this correctly, the UAW is trying to see if the blind trust which no one can see what the investments are, making hug profits for the Romneys' on auto bailout money, specifically Delphi.

    "The groups believe that Romney’s undisclosed stock holdings create serious conflicts of interest. They point to the auto loans as a key example. The Nation recently reported that the Romney family personally profited by at least $15.3 million from the auto loans of 2009."

    So the UAW is saying that "undisclosed stocks(stocks they cannot see either) made the Romney's $15 million. Well if they are undisclosed, how do you know they were auto stocks?  Maybe they are McDonald's, or Macy's.

    Time will tell, it could be true, or maybe its just a story to change the subject from Jeep and the Delphi news conference the Republicans held. Who knows. I will be glad when the election is over.

  12. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    This is from the above link that tammy posted:
    In 2009, Ann Romney partnered with her husband’s key donor, billionaire Paul Singer, who secretly bought a controlling interest in Delphi Auto , the former GM auto parts division.  Singer’s hedge fund, Elliott Management, threatened to cut off GM’s supply of steering columns unless GM and the government’s TARP auto bailout fund provided Delphi with huge payments.  While the US treasury complained this was “extortion,” the hedge funds received, ultimately, $12.9 billion in taxpayer subsidies.

    As a result, the shares Singer and Romney bought for just 67 cents are today worth over $30, a 4,000% gain.  Singer’s hedge fund made a profit of $1.27 billion and the Romney’s tens of millions.

    The UAW complaint calls for Romney to reveal exactly how much he made off Delphi — and continues to make.  The Singer syndicate, once in control of Delphi, eliminated every single UAW job –25,000– and moved almost all auto parts production to Mexico and China where Delphi now employs 25,000 auto parts workers


    Here is a link from that article.  http://www.thenation.com/article/170644 … t-bonanza#
    There are more articles on this link if anyone cares to read.

    1. habee profile image92
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If Romney broke the law, he needs to be charged before Tuesday.

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes he does Habee

  13. movingout profile image61
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    I agree, if there was a wrong doing here, he needs to be charged! I can't imagine anyone wanting a president with this cloud hanging over his head!

    1. Petra Vlah profile image60
      Petra Vlahposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Can't wait to see how this one plays out

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this
  14. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    Oddsmakers give Obama 85% chance of beating Romney!!

    NATE SILVER: Obama's Odds Of Winning Have Now Hit 85%
    Henry Blodget    | Nov. 4, 2012, 7:45 AM | 2,394 | 11

     
    With two days to go, Obama's odds of winning re-election have reached their highest level ever, according to New York Times polling guru Nate Silver.

    Betting markets Intrade and Betfair also show the President maintaining a solid lead, though with much less conviction.

    These assessments come despite the continued release of some polls that look good for Romney. The difference between the national polls and the betting markets, some polling experts say, is that the national polls focus on the popular vote, whereas Silver's odds focus on state-by-state polls aimed at determining the winner of the electoral college and, with it, the Presidency. Nate Silver's model also averages hundreds of polls.

    Nate Silver is so confident in his polling model that he publicly offered to bet MSNBC host Joe Scarborough who would win the election. Scarborough, who maintains that the election is a "toss-up," has not accepted the challenge.

    Let's go to the data...

    First, Nate Silver now gives Obama 85% chance of reelection. That's up from a post-first-debate low of ~60% three weeks ago, and it's higher than the 80% previous all-time peak Obama hit just before the first debate.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-sil … z2BGNLmz92


    http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-sil … -2012-10-z

    1. Barefootfae profile image61
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ralph you pay far too much heed to the NY Times Editorial Board.
      There is a nation beyond the coasts.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Nate Silver doesn't dance to the tune of the NYTimes editorial board. He is a master statistician who made his name in the baseball industry. Your criticism of the NYTimes could be likened to an ant crawling up an elephant's leg intent on rape.

    2. American View profile image60
      American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Propaganda designed to make Republicans feel defeated before voting or make them feel like why bother and not vote. A good ploy that both sides use. There are articles out there saying the same thing about Romney. Just hold on folks, it is going to be a close on and I will not be surprised if we go to bed not knowing who the winner is.

      1. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Propaganda?
        Silver  calls his blog 538, because that's the total number of Electoral College votes; a presidential candidate has to get at least 270 Electoral Votes to win.In the 2008 election, Silver called 49 out of 50 states right.
        Silver is transparent about the way his model works. The model could be wrong, but Silver has always been clear about the way it works. Those who slam Silver clearly just don't like what his data is showing--that Romney is very likely to lose.

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I could care less about popular vote as well, anyone who follows politics knows that  Romney will win more states, But Obama will take the big ones like New York and California.

          As I said, this election comes down to Ohio, he who wins Ohio, wins the election

          1. tammybarnette profile image61
            tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Obama has a 5 to 6 point lead in Ohio, from what I've been reading...

            1. Barefootfae profile image61
              Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You will get all sorts of numbers all across the board. People need to go out and vote and forget the ignorant polls.

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's not propaganda. Nate Silver is one of the masters of statistical analysis. Here's a sliver from a review of his recently published book "The Signal and the Noise."

        And yet, while “The Signal and the Noise” doesn’t chronicle Silver’s rise, it marks an important milestone in his ascent. For that reason, it could turn out to be one of the more momentous books of the decade. Journalism is in a strange place these days. Cable and the Internet crippled the old media establishment; political polarization dealt it a death blow. In the meantime, no new establishment has risen up to take its place. What we have is a growing sense of intellectual nihilism. The right-wing media speak only to true believers. Liberal journalists are often more fact-conscious but equally partisan, while mainstream outlets have a rapidly dwindling audience. Few media institutions command widespread credibility.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/books … s&_r=0

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "Liberal journalists are often more fact-conscious but equally partisan"

          LMAO,  LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO, LMAO,

          Thanks Ralph, I have not laughed that hard in years.

  15. American View profile image60
    American Viewposted 4 years ago

    I am not agreeing or disagreeing whether Romney did this with his stocks or not. I know the election is Ohio, he who wins Ohio wins this election. To that end, I would nt be surprised at anything the Unions will toss out there to keep Romney out of office.

    I am a little suspicious of the UAW claims though, not to mention the timing of it. . Oh it could just be the New Yorker in me, always suspicious of people's motives.

    Is this the October surprise?  And if so, that means it was known a long time ago, why not disclose it then?

    The first interesting quote that keeps hitting me that is in each of the many articles I read on this so far is "he did not do anything illegal"  Well if not, what are you complaining about?

    Next is the claim of knowing Romney made 15 million off of Mrs Romney's blind trust for an investment in Delphi. Well I am not saying they were invested or not, but Blind Trust means blind, other than the trustee no one knows what the investments are.

    [i["A blind trust is a trust in which the fiduciaries, namely the trustees or those who have been given power of attorney, have full discretion over the assets, and the trust beneficiaries have no knowledge of the holdings of the trust and no right to intervene in their handling. Blind trusts are generally used when a settlor (sometimes called a trustor or donor) wishes to keep the beneficiary unaware of the specific assets in the trust, such as to avoid conflict of interest between the beneficiary and the investments.[/i]

    If the UAW knows for a fact Romney made $15 million fro Delphi stock, means several financial and privacy Federal laws had to be broken by the trustee and by the UAW. A trustee overseeing the Romney blind trust would make an incredible amount of money and would not jepordize such a job and could not be bribed enough to disclose those private files. If the UAW files this complaint, I fully agree there should be an FBI investigation into the UAW and the trustee.

    Lastly, according to the article the UAW is making this complaint under the ethics in Government Act. The problem here is at this time Romney is not a public servant, he holds no positio, he is a private citizen, even back when this has allegedly taken place. So even if Romeny really did this, the complaint will go nowhere or it will just be a political game for a short time.

    "Title I Requires men and women in the public service sector to fill out financial disclosure forms which include the sources and amounts of income, gifts, reimbursements, the identity and approximate value of property held and liabilities owed, transactions in property, commodities, and securities, and certain financial interests of a spouse or dependent.

    The report must then be filed to the appropriate state officer of his or her state, and the committee charged with issues of ethics in his or her respective house of Congress. The President, Vice President, counsel appointed to the United States Department of Justice, and nominees to positions that require United States Senate confirmation must file with the Director of the Office of Government Ethics.

    People that must file reports include, but are not limited to: the President, Vice President, employees and officers of the Executive Branch, Postmaster General, the Deputy Postmaster General, each Governor of the Board of Governors of the U.S. Postal Service and each officer or employee of the United States Postal Service or Postal Regulatory Commission.

    Disclosure must also be made available to the public shortly after they are submitted."


    It does not include those seeking office, perhaps they should amend it to include those running for office.
    It sure would end BS like this being in the election process, keep the candidates on message, LOL yea like that really happens.

    One last thing, the article I read in Huffington post is 3 days old. So this story is out there at least 3 days and not one Peep from CNN, or MSNBC? Hell MSNBC reports if Romney passes gas the wrong way. They and Media Matters who writes for them, would be all over this by now.

  16. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    It should include those running for top governmental positions.

    The content of the UAW complaint letter is here. http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation … ut-profits

    quote from article
    "While some officials use blind trusts to satisfy these disclosure requirements, Mitt Romney himself has said '[T]he blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will. Which is to say you can always tell a blind trust what it can and cannot do,' " the UAW letter continued. "In any event, press reports indicate that Romney has not even attempted to meet the requirements for a federal blind trust with respect to his substantial equity holdings. The only way for this law to be enforced in a meaningful way is for your Office to act promptly to demand that candidate Romney disclose his stock holdings, or divest them if disclosure is not feasible."

    Romney's campaign declined to comment on the UAW complaint, pointing instead to a press conference supporters of the GOP nominee held about an unrelated controversy over Delphi pensions
     

    which actually is related..

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Do we then suppose he chose too divest...I mean he refused to disclose further tax returns, so this is not shocking news really, but if he chooses to divest, does that mean the issue is squashed?

      1. Barefootfae profile image61
        Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You know I don't see this story on any news sites. Like at all.

        1. tammybarnette profile image61
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          http://www.opednews.com/articles/UAW-Fi … 2-673.html   I put this one on last night, but nothing in the main stream, odd...

          1. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That says "oped" right? Tammy how is that any different than when I post something you guys poo-poo as a "blog"?
            ABC?
            NBC?
            CBS?
            CNN?
            FOX?

            1. tammybarnette profile image61
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I have always found the op-ed to lean more conservative, When I found the article, there was a Romney/Ryan add at the top of the page..so I don't know why I have not seen this in mainstream unless the matter was privately settled...

          2. American View profile image60
            American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Tammy,

            It is odd nothing is in the MSM. they are too quite on this, especially MSNBC. I did find something of interest in the article you linked which makes me start to think something is a little hinkey here.

            "In 2009, Ann Romney partnered with her husband's key donor, billionaire Paul Singer, who secretly bought a controlling interest in Delphi Auto, the former GM auto parts division. Singer's hedge fund, Elliott Management, threatened to cut off GM's supply of steering columns unless GM and the government's TARP auto bail-out fund provided Delphi with huge payments. While the US treasury complained this was "extortion," the hedge funds received, ultimately, $12.9 billion in taxpayer subsidies."

            If 4 Years ago the US Treasury thought there was extortion going on, where is the FBI or Department of Justice probe? If the story was true they could have taken Romney out of the race real early

            1. tammybarnette profile image61
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Does this mean it was not found to be "extortion," but rather, protected yet clearly taken advantage of loopholes, yet perfectly legal? I do not pretend to know, but I would like to see some facts...where to look?

              1. American View profile image60
                American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I agree, we need some facts. Like I said it makes no sense. Where  is an investigation if there was extortion? Hell congress and the DOJ will have hearing and investigate if you use the wrong box of Kleenex these days. Why release th story or make these allegations now if they knew for 4 years? I do not know, it is baffling these days.

                That is why we need to push that bill I wrote for Housefire Project , the Political Securities Act. It addresses all these issues before anyone can run for office on any level.

        2. rebekahELLE profile image91
          rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It's out there. The complaint was just made on Thursday in a letter.  I saw it in the Toledo Blade, Huffington Post, numerous web sites.  Obviously the story is being hid or diverted to his Jeep remarks.  We'll hear more when/if action is taken from the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

          So close to the day of election, it will not get the attention it deserves.
          From MSNBC on Nov 1 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755822/ns … /#49651463

          1. Barefootfae profile image61
            Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            A press that actively hates Romney is "hiding" it! Right.

            1. tammybarnette profile image61
              tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am not saying anyone is hiding anything, that would be the same as others who say the press is hiding the libya story, right? I am just wondering what happened, as they said they would be filing charges unless he disclosed or divested...? So, that was my original question, if he divest does that squash the matter?

  17. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

      I saw an interview on The Ed Show with Bob King.  I inserted the link in my previous post.  There is quite a bit out there, but you have to search.
    It won't be on MSM right now.
    I'm off ~ enjoy the day hubbers.

    1. Barefootfae profile image61
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ah MSNBC...the liberal version of Fox!

      1. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        do you know who Bob King is?

        1. Barefootfae profile image61
          Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          No but I know who Ed is and he is a frequently misogynistic creature.

          1. wavegirl22 profile image47
            wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            do you just reply when you feel like it or do you try to keep up with the thread?

            1. Barefootfae profile image61
              Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I have had a busy day.
              I feel the same way about MSNBC as you do Fox so don't expect me to get excited over a guest on the Ed Show.

      2. rebekahELLE profile image91
        rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Did you watch the interview?  Bob King is a lawyer and president of UAW/United Auto Workers.  Why not isten to what he has to say.

        It was nice to see UAW retweeted two of my tweets which are getting retweets.   [Try to say that one fast. lol]

        1. wavegirl22 profile image47
          wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          +1

  18. wavegirl22 profile image47
    wavegirl22posted 4 years ago

    BREAKING: Mitt Romney Charged With Violating Federal Ethics Law!

    As of November 1, Mitt Romney is one of the first presidential candidates ever to be charged with violating federal ethics law.

    United Automobile Workers (UAW) and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) have just charged Romney with hiding between 15.3 to 11.5 million dollars from the auto industry bailout in his wife Anne’s “blind” trust to conceal the gain and reduce taxes on it.

    "The American people have a right to know about Gov. Romney’s potential conflicts of interest, such as the profits his family made from the auto rescue,” the groups said in a statement. “It’s time for Gov. Romney to disclose or divest.”

    It’s time to expose just how unscrupulous Romney is about making his fortune off the misfortunes of others. Please, support UAW and CREW by calling on Romney to reveal exactly how much he made and continues to make off the auto bailout!

    PETITION TO MITT ROMNEY: It’s time to come clean. We demand to know how much money you hid in your wife’s supposed blind trust, and how much you continue to make thanks to the gutting of the auto industry.

    Sign this Petition Here

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks smile

  19. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    We've been out this afternoon. Has Romney been forced to drop out of the race? If this stuff is true, why did they sit on it for 4 years and wait until now??

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Stay tuned. I doubt that he'll be forced to drop out. So far the main stream media has not published a word about the UAW's charge which has been out there for a couple of days.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/0 … g-Benghazi

      "Troufishing's diary on Romney and Delphi tops the Rec list today, based on a piece on Wednesday making a startling charge about Romney enriching himself via the auto bailout.

      "An ethics charge has been filed by the UAW and others against Romney for failure to disclose his interest in Delphi, a company that greatly profited from the auto-bailout.

      "And yet, I searched for "Delphi" at the NY Times site and found nothing about this story, which has been out there since Wednesday.  But they did transcribe without comment Paul Ryan's accusation that President Obama supposedly allowed the bailout to bypass nonunion workers at Delphi. (The Times omitted the word "supposedly".)

      "OK, well, that's just the Times.  Let's google Delphi, Romney and UAW.  Ah, some results!  Let's see, WaPo? No.  CNN?  No.  ABC, CBS, NBC?  No, No, No.  Just the usual bunch of "crazy" lefties suspects -  Greg Palast, Huff Post, Kos.

      "OK, Let's try Benghazi.

      "Well, what do you know?  The WaPo has the esteemed William Bennett, gravely opining: "Either there was serious malfeasance on the part of this administration or a knowing cover up with shifting stories and blame."

      "The increasingly hacky Jake Tapper has a piece: The Benghazi Drip, Drip, Drip.  That sounds objective to me!

      "Hey Jake -- you've got a candidate enriching himself at the time he was condemning the auto bailout.  Benghazi has faded as a shiny object (though you did get a link from Hugh Hewitt -- Congrats).

      "Damn liberal media.  Time to wake up guys."

    2. Barefootfae profile image61
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Good question? Why wait for two days before the Presidential election of which Mitt Romney is the Republican nominee?
      Hmmm? Why would they do that?

  20. movingout profile image61
    movingoutposted 4 years ago

    Time to wake up folks! Romney caught on tape back in 07 saying he's against abortion 100%. Is this the guy you want to represent your daughters and grand daughters? He catagorizes US as the 47%, remember that? Hides his tax returns. Give me a break!@

    1. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes.
      I keep saying "This could be the most damning piece of information yet..."
      And yet, each new revelation is eclipsed by the next one.

      TT, Do you have a link to that tape? I just heard it on Alex Wagner show but can't find it in a Google search.
      Warrants its own forum thread, methinks!!

    2. Barefootfae profile image61
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wish you had a real reason to worry about him.
      Does he have Communists in his advisory staff?

  21. American View profile image60
    American Viewposted 4 years ago

    Here we go, the story is beginning to come out and it is not about Romney. Two hours ago a report from NBC news

    "Then General Motors did something that the Government Accountability Office, Congress’ investigative arm, later called “unusual.” GM agreed to top up the pensions of 22,000 Delphi members of the United Auto Workers union – at a cost of $1 billion. That enabled the UAW workers to still get their full pensions.
    But there was no such sweetener for the company’s salaried employees or for the non-UAW hourly workers. And because the PBGC has statutory limits on how much it can pay in benefits, their payments were reduced sharply.

    “We were the group that was just kicked to the curb like yesterday’s trash,” said Bruce Gump, vice-chairman of the Delphi Salaried Employees Association.
    Now, two congressional committees and the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (SIGTARP) are investigating the basis and motivation for this decision. Was this a political favor for a powerful union that backed President Barack Obama, as critics claim? Or was this a business decision by GM, based, according to the company, on an agreement originally negotiated in 1999 during Delphi’s spin off from the automaker? What role did the Obama administration play?"


    I wonder if the UAW story was to try and head off this one.

    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 … -them?lite

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Union employees got a better deal by using collective bargaining (the purpose of unions) obviously it's a government conspiracy big_smile tongue

      Union employees have higher wages and better retirement around the country that is why they exist.

  22. Gemini Fox profile image95
    Gemini Foxposted 4 years ago

    Where I first heard this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moAMCCegX84

    and what I found just today:

    http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi … in-capital

    Seriously! How is it that this guy is actually a candidate?

    1. Barefootfae profile image61
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because they don't decide who the candidates are based on right or left leaning outlets like that.

      1. Gemini Fox profile image95
        Gemini Foxposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        In other words "they" just listen to the mainstream media which is filled with everything BUT facts . . .totally agree.

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The MSM print media hasn't touched the story yet. Maybe tomorrow.

  23. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    American View, if you read this link thoroughly, you will see what happened with the salaried pensions. 
    http://www.thenation.com/article/170644 … t-bonanza# 

    That Romney was a part of Singer's hedge fund group that made billions off the auto bailout is enough.
    It's astonishing what they did and got away with.  This story needs to be thoroughly investigated and brought to light.
    Vulture capitalists making ridiculous gains at the expense of hard working Americans without a blink of an eye~

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/16769960/Delp … ransaction  The sworn deposition of Delphi's CFO, this explains how Paul Singer and partners (Romney), killed the return of Delphi to GM.

    2. American View profile image60
      American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      In case you may have missed it, I posted a link from NBC news on the story of those Delphi retirement deals and it question Obama, not Romney.

      http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/20 … -them?lite

      I also pointed out I wonder how the President of the UAW knows what is in Ann Romney's blind trust since no one but the trustee knows what is in them. In addition, the lawyers know they cannot file ethics charges against Romney because he is not a public servant at this time, he is a private citizen. That changes if he wins the election and all of his holdings must be disclosed for all to see.

      I do not know if this story is true or not, I just know a lot of what the UAW guy is saying does not add up. Time will tell I guess.

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        AV, Two very different stories...I have been following both

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I agree Tammy, but the UAW story seems to be trying to get people to forget the other story. Unlike the threat from UAW the other story has an ongoing investigation, so I put more stock in that story. I just cannot get past watching that interview from Ed show claiming extortion and more and there is no investigation. Stuff like this is why we need to get that Political Securities Act before Congress.

          1. tammybarnette profile image61
            tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Amen, any story that is out here and not on the mainstream; that seems odd...We need to want truth always, no matter who is doing wrong, on which side of the isle...if we only persecute one then we are still doing nothing...it's hard to face facts when it's something you do not want to be true...from all sides, right?

      2. Barefootfae profile image61
        Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hey AV, they don't care what that thing says they are going to try and pin it on Romney. There's two days left. Newspapers are jumping ship left to right. He made the hideous REVENGE! gaffe and it's over.
        They are in damage control and just praying.....well maybe all of them aren't praying....but they are by golly hoping it will torpedo Romney.

        This is what you get for ignoring Hillary gang!

  24. donotfear profile image91
    donotfearposted 4 years ago

    STOP IT, NOW!!

    PLEASE STOP THE INSANITY.......PLEASE!!!!!!!.



    http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20596841.jpg

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  25. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    The day before the election Obama has an 86% chance of winning according to Nate Silver.


    http://www.businessinsider.com/whos-win … ce-2012-11

    1. habee profile image92
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think Kleenex sales are going to go through the roof! I'm trying to warn my conservative pals and family members, but most of them will only watch FOX. Of course, most of the FOX pundits are predicting a Romney landslide. I've been urging them to watch/read news from other sources to get a more realistic picture and a different perspective. I think my efforts have been in vain. lol

      A lib friend of mine asked me if I was going to cry if/when Romney loses. I told her, "Heck no!" I cry fairly easily, but I've never shed tears over an election. The most disappointed I've ever been was when McCain lost, as I'd always been impressed by him. I dunno...maybe I'm just not passionate enough this time?

    2. wavegirl22 profile image47
      wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I like the way Nate Smith uses the odds of winning a football game, here on the FiveThirtyEight Blog





    3. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I found this link on my Twitter feed from Greg Palast, the author of the article posted in The Nation about the auto bailout profit made by the Romney's.  It's an election eve letter written my Michael Moore, which is very much worth reading.  I know many don't like MM, but he brings up some important points.  His quote about the article in The Nation:

      There were two things in the news these past couple weeks that unfortunately got little attention. But these two stories say it all about the America we will have unless these people are stopped.

      One was a story in The Nation that exposed how Romney, while publicly opposing the auto company bailout, secretly got in on the action with his Wall Street donors – and made over $15 million, a 4,000% return on his investment (which he hid in a blind trust in his wife's name) by buying up the Delphi auto parts company, the former Delco/AC Spark Plug division of GM where my dad worked. He then – get this – grabbed billions in bailout cash to "transform" it from bankrupt to a "viable business." Except what he really did was slash retiree pensions, shut down 24 U.S. factories, and ship all 25,200 union jobs to China. You'd think he'd keep quiet about Delphi – but no, he's got his supporters running ads in Ohio blaming Barack Obama for terminating the Delphi pensions – I kid you not. (When I opposed the Iraq War, Romneyites and the like called me a "traitor"; when Romney does this traitorous act destroying jobs and sending them to China, his reward, in addition to the millions he pocketed, may be the presidency tomorrow.)


      http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike- … g/tomorrow

      1. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Its kinda scary stuff.

        Just to give an update on some R.I.P Romney Polls in the last hour here are some tweets from Nate Silver @fivethirtyeight





  26. sofrugalme profile image60
    sofrugalmeposted 4 years ago

    Better get me some stock right quick. smile

  27. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    I just saw that also on MSNBC, which I don't usually watch. But MM is supposed to be on the show and I want to see if he says anything about the article.
    He's going to be on now, after a commercial, and he is going to address the Romney lie.

  28. Repairguy47 profile image60
    Repairguy47posted 4 years ago

    MSNBC lollollollollollol

    1. wavegirl22 profile image47
      wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Laugh all you want about MSNBC - at least they bring credibility from this guest tonight.
      The accuracy of Nate Silver's November 2008 presidential election predictions are something to take notice of—he correctly predicted the winner of 49 of the 50 states—The only state he missed was Indiana, which went for Barack Obama by 1%. He also correctly predicted the winner of all 35 Senate races that year.

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There is nothing credible about MSNBC or Michael Moore!

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol  Hey, RG, are you trolling me. lol

      It's pretty tame if you ask me.  MM didn't say anything I hadn't already read elsewhere.

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Just think your posts deserve a response, don't you?

        1. wavegirl22 profile image47
          wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          her posts usually do deserve a response let alone a +1

          1. Repairguy47 profile image60
            Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Ok, give her a +1.

        2. rebekahELLE profile image91
          rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If you have something to say, sure.  smile I'm actually tired of talking politics, but I believe tomorrow is a very important day.  It's still a democracy, I want to keep it that way. 

          tammy, MM did briefly mention something about it and I've seen mention of it here and there, Twitter is full of references to it ~~ but we won't hear anything in MSM until after the election.

          Thanks WG.   
          That's it.  Signing off for the night. 

          lol sorry MM!

      2. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Did I miss it? I have been wondering if the story ever broke in the media...I asked before, but does anyone know, if he chose to divest, would that squash the matter? I mean it does not change what he did, if he did, but the way the language read was disclose or divest...

  29. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    lol
    Reading up from bottom post and see multiple references to "MM."
    Immediate reaction, "Whatever I said I stand by it 100%" (apologies to Mitt Romney for bastardizing his line).
    MM -- no relation to Michael Moore!

  30. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Most current Nate Silver predictions. Updated just a couple of hours ago:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

    1. wavegirl22 profile image47
      wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      538 updates again: Pres Obama chance to win up to 92.2% to win on the eve of election. Mitt is at 7.8%

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The bets have been hedged. Bigtime.

        Ryan "insiders" already talking about what Paul Ryan should do after the campaign -- become a professor, write a book (I guess that's what has-been GOP Veep candidates do as a matter of course -- cash in).
        Blaming Christie and saying he only said nice things about Obama's disaster response because he was pissed that he didn't get picked as Romney's Veep.
        No doubt Christie refusing to come be in Romney's rally tonight in PA is revenge for whoever leaked the news that he is the jilted Veep candidate.

        I've even heard that some believe Obama ORDERED the hurricane so he could look presidential.

        LOL. We should start a Top 10 Republican excuses thread.
        Oh wait. There's only one that counts: It's OBAMA'S FAULT!
        lol lol lol

        1. tammybarnette profile image61
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

 
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