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White America Died Last Night

  1. wavegirl22 profile image47
    wavegirl22posted 4 years ago

    I thought after seeing Trump last night I had seen the worst from others, but I just read this article about ....

    "Conservative political pundit Pat Buchanan stoked controversy today by claiming that Barack Obama's reelection has Obama's reelection has 'killed White America
    The paleoconservative nativist is no stranger to racial controversy, having previously been accused of writing books with racist and anti-semitic undertones.
    But the former Nixon advisor was more explicit on the G. Gordon Liddy Show this morning. When asked for his reaction to Obama's victory, Buchanan replied brazenly:
    "White America died last night. Obama's reelection killed it. Our 200 plus year history as a Western nation is over. We're a Socialist Latin American country now. Venezuela without the oil."
    Stunned by his clear racisim, Liddy tried to walk his guest back from the ledge:
    "With what you just said right there...You seem to imply that white people are better than other people. That's not really what you're saying is it?"
    "Of course that's what I'm saying," Buchanan replied "Isn't it obvious? Anything worth doing on this Earth was done first by white people."
    "Who landed on the moon? White people. Who climbed Mount Everest? White people.  Who invented the transistor? White people. Who invented paper? White people. Who discovered algebra? White people."
    "And don't give me all this nonsense about Martin Luther King and civil rights and all that. Who do you think freed the slaves? Abraham Lincoln. A white guy!"
    Carte Blanche
    "But we're not led by Lincoln anymore, we're led by an affirmative-action mulatto who can't physically understand how great America once was."
    "I cried last night G. I cried for hours. It's over for all of us. The great White nation will never survive another 4 years of Obama's leadership"
    Liddy tried to reason with Buchanan, reminding him that he shares similar positions with the President on Afghanistan, Iraq, and relations with Russia:
    "Of course I agree with half of what he does,"  Buchanan answered, "He's half white! That's not the half I'm worried about."
    Buchanan served as a speechwriter in the Nixon White House. He was fired as an MSNBC analyst this year following the publication of a book many considered to be racist."

    If what he says is any indication of the death of white America,  I sure hope that it rests in piece.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      How ignorant can a man be?? This is pretty shocking.

      1. SmartAndFun profile image92
        SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The quotes are so outrageous. Is the article a hoax or is he really that bad off?

      2. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Habee, I agree shocking. I just got this off Wikpedia. Hard to believe I remember this, yet all these years later I forgot . . .

        Buchanan later threw his support behind Bush and delivered a keynote address at the 1992 Republican National Convention, which became known as the culture war speech, in which he described "a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America." In the speech, he said of Bill and Hillary Clinton:

        The agenda Clinton & Clinton would impose on America—abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units—that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America needs. It is not the kind of change America wants. And it is not the kind of change we can abide in a nation we still call God's country.[24]

        I would love to see the Republican Party come back to life with some fresh new thinking but I am afraid until they separate themselves from this kind of thought, we are going to get more of the same.

    2. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      WOW! Well, I will say that as grotesque and repulsive these statements are, I am glad he said what he meant to say, in order for others to no longer be able to hide behind their prejudice and pretend there is some war chest of reasons that they fought so hard against our POTUS. I would say a great number of the "good ole boys," network cried and waled in a disguting display of prejudicial misery...I am so very happy, and now even more so, that our POTUS was re-elected not only by the EC but by majority vote, proving that a majority of citizens have learned that human beings are human beings, no matter the shade of their skin, religious beliefs, or sexual orientation...I wonder if this ignorant and repulsive man thinks Jesus was white? This is an outrage to me, and I hope that "white" America did die last night!!!!!

      1. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The more I read and remember tonight, the more I am convinced America is on the right path.

        Forward and away we go!

    3. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Not white America.  There are many white Americans who avidly supported and voted for President Obama.   Let us say that it is atavistic, fundamentalist, chauvinistic, rightist America that died, not white America.    Pat Buchanan is totally askewed. 

      Mr. Buchanan would be the same lost  way if he was non-white.   There are many non-white people who are quite atavistic, fundamentalists, chauvinistic, and rightist.   Characteristcs fit and describe people individually, not the whole race, ethnic group, and/or other protected class.   

      Mr. Buchanan truly exemplifies the definition of a TOTAL LOST SOUL!  He is surely a dinosaur on his way to becoming- EXTINCT!   Let us say a pray for Mr. Buchanan for he is truly in his DEATH THROES!   Let him RIP, well at least to me, he has been RIP-ing for YEARS!

    4. LauraGT profile image86
      LauraGTposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It does seem as though we've entered a new era. It must be hard for the "white America" Americans who feel like their time has come and gone.  But, I believe it has gone, and we're moving toward a more pluralistic society, one where oppressing others is no longer a sign of power and where differences and choices will be celebrated more openly.  Demographics are on the side of change.  It must be hard for these guys (and some gals) to be on the wrong side of history.

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        How very well said smile

      2. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with tammybarnette . .very well said!

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's amusing how the GOP has stoked racial resentment among whites to win elections all these years, and now that the demographics are changing, and the caucasian numbers are dwindling, Republicans can't win the presidential election anymore. 

      Women and minority groups all went majority for Obama.  The only group the GOP won was white males.  It's ridiculous.

    6. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      he is crazy....

    7. bgamall profile image86
      bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      YOu know, Pat Buchanan has few things I agree with. He is a racist, no doubt. He is forever discredited.

      But he did have one position within the Republican Party that was important. He viewed the neocons as being the War Party, wanting to start a new cold war with Russia. He is right about that, and that is what makes his racist comments so unfortunate.

    8. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Buchanan is an archetypal ugly American.

      1. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        amen

      2. bgamall profile image86
        bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, but Democrats seemed to be afraid to confront the neocon cold war philosophy, with Buchanan being the only one who did. Then Obama confronted it in the foreign policy debate. It is about time.

        The neocons wanted to destroy the balance of power between the US and Russia, giving the Russians no choice but to destroy the missile shield.

    9. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I figured out quite some time ago that much of the opposition to Obama is racist; he is labeled as "other" in various ways, and it is obvious in America only certain people are considered important and worthy. These statements from Buchanan are no surprise. And I don't even agree with what Obama does, and neither do I agree with Romney's philosophy. Electing a Black President has simply made surface America's undercurrent of hatred and fear.

  2. Austinstar profile image78
    Austinstarposted 4 years ago

    As a white woman, I sure am glad that this great country has finally decided that fat cat white politicians are no longer wanted and can no longer run this country into the ground. The people have spoken and they will continue to speak!
    Perhaps Trump, Buchanan and Limbaugh can ALL move to whichever country they think is the whitest and most perfect country in the world. I would suggest East Texas, which is the whitest most Klan happy area of the world. Move along and let REAL humans take over.

  3. creativecooke47 profile image61
    creativecooke47posted 4 years ago

    I'm glad "White America died." America is for everyone of every race and economic group. No one matters more than anyone else. There are racists in every ethnic group but they need to be silenced. As long as we discriminate against each other for petty stupid reasons the country will remain divided and we will get nothing done. This is dangerous because we have come to a reckoning. Fiscal cliff anyone? It is feast or famine now.  America will  either come together and thrive or whither away into nothing. I have hope for the country that I love. I have hope for all the people within it too. I'm glad Obama won because he cares about everyone and that's just what America needs.

  4. Cody Hodge5 profile image81
    Cody Hodge5posted 4 years ago

    I think he might be positioning himself for a presidential run in 2016 (:

  5. wavegirl22 profile image47
    wavegirl22posted 4 years ago

    I dont watch much Primetime News on TV but I just saw that Pat Buchanan was on Greta Van Susteren for a special Sunday edition of ON THE RECORD.

    Fate swings hard and in unexpected ways.

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    Peelander Gallyposted 4 years ago

    Give it a few more years and much of this kind of white America - that is, the well-off conservative heterosexual Christian male sector - will indeed die, of natural causes.

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And hopefully we won't even recognize the United States as time goes on.  Unfortunately, I am not deluding myself into believing that progress is inevitable.  There are no guarantees in politics.

  7. brimancandy profile image83
    brimancandyposted 4 years ago

    I was watching the election results the other night, and the one reporter kept claiming how white male voters are Romney's only hope of winning the election. I just shook my head, and said, "why don't you get a time machine and go back to the 1950's." I am a white male, and I would not even have given Romney the time of day off my watch, let alone my vote. And, it is because of his views on society, and the possible crush to civil rights on a Romney presidency is the reason I did not vote for him.

    Just when you think that racism is fading away, people like Buchanan have to open their pie-holes and spew more racist crap. Just as Billy Graham's son went on television to appeal to his masses not to vote for Obama because a vote for him would give all of America a one-way ticket to hell. So, Mr. Graham if everyone in America is going to hell, I will hope that you are the first one in line, wearing a kick me sign. because you suck!!

    But, racism was just the tip of the Anti-Romney ice burg. And, I am glad sank like the titanic.

    1. tammybarnette profile image61
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile

  8. bgpappa profile image84
    bgpappaposted 4 years ago

    I am not shocked by Buchanan's sentiments, I am shocked that he said them aloud.  I believe much (but by no means all) the opposition to President Obama is for the reasons stated by Buchanan.  At least he  said it clearly without all the code words that have been used.

    That being said, hopefully the Jack Kemp/Bob Dole Republicans will take their party back.  The country is better off with two parties trying to lead the country as opposed to one party trying and the other simply standing in the way throwing a tantrum.

    President Obama's victory was completed by people of all kinds and that is the best thing to take from this election.  People of different races, religions, backgrounds, etc, can come together to get something done.  Now just need to include the other half of the country.

    1. KK Trainor profile image58
      KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "Jobs Bills Stuck In The Senate

      House Republicans have passed 39 jobs bills that are currently stuck in the Democrat controlled Senate"

      http://majorityleader.gov/jobstracker/

      House obstruction???

    2. wavegirl22 profile image47
      wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      you got that right. what a breathe of fresh air it will be to see a legit Republican party come back. Until the Republicans take these illogical and radical stands they erode their base - lunatic fringe.

      1. Rebecca Pasternak profile image61
        Rebecca Pasternakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree! While I am so pleased with the election results, we need the Elephant party to pick itself up, force out the extremists, and become a real, legitimate party again. That would be healthy American politics.

  9. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    The grumpy old white men (Buchannon, Limbaugh, Rove, Trump et al) are making colossal fools of themselves. But at least they're exposing their truth. They ARE racist. As many times as I've read posts here that claim only liberals are racist, that's projection pure and simple.

    We all saw the diverse crowds at the DNC and Obama's reelection night in Chicago.
    Anyone who worked, as I did, at any Obama campaign office -- in any state -- saw the same rainbow of faces. Black, white, Latino, Asian, women, men, gay, straight, disabled, students, veterans.
    That's what America looks like in 2012.

    The GOP is the party of rich, white, homogeneous people. Ok, so they've got young, white, homogeneous people.But how many people of color do you see in the crowd of crestfallen Romney supporters?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/po … ef=opinion

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I disagree with one claim, that Karl Rove is racist.

      I think Karl Rove is apolitical, and has built his career as a Republican strategist.  He was Bush's Chief of Staff at one point, so he is very aware of how to play the political game.

      1. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe, but pretty sad how well he sells it sad

      2. Mighty Mom profile image89
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps he knew how to play it in 2000-2008.
        But the playing field has shifted and his gameplan has not.

        Perhaps there is a different word to explain Rove's claim that Democrats "suppressed the vote" (specifically meaning the white vote) and that's why Obama won.
        That comment has distinct racist undertones, at least.

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          True.  And he is obviously appealing to racists and trying to get them motivated for the 2014 midterms and 2016 presidential election.

          I wasn't trying to quibble too much tongue.  Rove has done many reprehensible things.  I just don't think a lot of the operatives are actually racist, even if they craft strategies that are so.

      3. tammybarnette profile image61
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinion/k … le_sidebar
        Sooner, Check out this article about Karl Rove's reaction of disbelief, not to mention how well this article calls out some media BS

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    Black Vendettaposted 4 years ago

    The G. Gordon Liddy Show, on which this interview supposedly took place, ceased to exist in July when Liddy retired. The story was reported by The Daily Currant and reprinted by many other web sites.

    From the "about" section of The Daily Current.

    The Daily Currant is an English language online satirical newspaper that covers global politics, business, technology, entertainment, science, health and media. It is accessible from over 190 countries worldwide - now including South Sudan.
    Our mission is to ridicule the timid ignorance which obstructs our progress, and promote intelligence - which presses forward.
    Our stories are purely fictional. However they are meant to address real-world issues through satire and often refer and link to real events happening in the world.


    The story sounded ridiculous folks, do a little investigation before passing on this kind of stuff.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, so Buchanan didn't really say those things?

      1. Mighty Mom profile image89
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, he did say those things.
        There is a chapter in his book entitled "The Death of White America."

        http://newsone.com/2043123/pat-buchanan-racist/

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Correction.
          The chapter is titled "The END of White America." There is another chapter called "The DEATH of Christian America."

          Particularly like the segment here where Buchanan calls Obama "Your boy."
          To Reverend Al Sharpton!!
          Ballsy.

        2. Jean Bakula profile image95
          Jean Bakulaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Rove was pathetic on Election night. The R's truly seem to be in shock. I'm not surprised, racism isn't just in the deep South, I was shocked after the last election when friends (now ex-friends) called me to say they were "upset" we had a black president. So it was painfully obvious that it was about racism all along, although R's, Fox News and the Morning radio shows have elderly people fooled. They don't realize how much the country has changed. I can understand in the Midwest and corn belt, people live the same way as they did 50 years ago. But the cities are much more diverse. Tonight I put on Fox to see, but Bill O'Reilly was off. Laura Ingrahmn, another far right nut, actually blamed BUSH for beginning two wars and ruining the economy. That was truly shocking coming from her, but is the truth. I never expected an R to actually blame one of their own. Not one R supported Romney either. They just don't know where to go with their anger and screwed up view of our country. These are educated people, they had to see diversity in their colleges, and not because of affimative action anymore. Women should decide about their own bodies, I cringe to think of the wives of some of these crackpots. Maybe Anne Romney has 2 cadillacs in her elevator, but I'd rather sleep with the Devil than have 5 kids with Mitt Romney. R's have no clue how middle class people live, and it showed. They just don't get it. And the R's are still defiant, saying they won't work with Obama. My state of NJ is devastated, and Mitt Romney never visited when he had a chance at being President. I know people who had no power for 11 days now. No heat, and South Jersey had 6 inches of snow last night. It's 17 degrees out right now. People are suffering. People are dying and soon more will freeze to death. Chris Christie is doing a great job and worked well with Obama, even the utility companies left us. We had crews from Utah and Virginia in Northern NJ who got our power on. Yet people voted, though of course NJ turnout was low. I don't think regular people understand how bad it is either. NJ makes a lot of money through tourism at the Jersey shore, and it's gone. All the boardwalks are gone. It will never be the same. We are sitting in gas lines for hours, and some people can't get enough gas to get to work this week. How will they pay their bills? When you are in a home with no power, you can't cook, you spend so much money going out, all our budgets have been severly strained by this, yet we have to give what we can to our neighbors to keep them going. Mittens couldn't say one prayer? I'm so sick of phony religious people too. And true journalism is dead.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image89
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The new party line excuse is Superstorm Sandy is to blame for Romney loss. It stopped his momentum.
            To be fair (which is more than those on the other side have ever been), Romney was patently not invited to NJ. Governor Christie made it very clear he did not WANT Romney bringing his presidential campaign there.
            I hope Governor Christie gets back on Obama's speed dial. The election is over. But much more help is still needed. I sincerely hope Obama stays on top of this.

            Other than that, I agree with everything you said, Jean.
            Except question on Harry Reid. He's holding a hard line for Dems. McConnell is the defiant one. And Boehner is, typically, speaking out of both sides of his mouth trying to appease his schizo party while pretending they're suddenly ready to work with Obama and the Dems. We'll see, won't we?

            1. Jean Bakula profile image95
              Jean Bakulaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              MM,
              You are right, it was Harry Reid who was so defiant. Even though a few days have passed since our power was restored, I feel very tired and kind of disoriented, probably fighting something. It was cold all the days we had no heat, and I stayed up late on Election night. Christie is still making nice with Obama from what I see on the news. I hope the kiddies can learn to play well together. Obama has been concilatory, but is not going to back down now. It's sad that people in politics care about themselves more than the people they serve, or are supposed to be serving. Romney offered nothing except, "We'll get Obama out of the White House." As if that would have solved the issues we face. We have many delusional people in politics and the news.

        3. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          MM, I went to your link but couldn't find the Buchanan quotes mentioned by the OP. Is it in an embedded link that I overlooked? Not that the video clips presented weren't bad enough...but I'd really like to know if PB said the other (even worse) stuff.

    2. secularist10 profile image91
      secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      True, Black Vendetta!!

      Just checked the Currant website myself, here's some of the current headlines (http://dailycurrant.com/ ):

      *Santorum claims homosexuals stole election

      *Conservapedia declares Romney 45th president of US

      *Putin offers Romney job of guarding Siberian dog shit
      "Russian president Vladimir Putin has offered Mitt Romney a job guarding a large pile of Siberian dog excrement.
      The Slavic strongman made the offer at a televised press conference in Moscow this morning when reporter asked for his reaction the results of the American election:..."


      *Nate Silver predicts Scarborough remains an asshole

      *Celebrities celebrate Obama victory with epic Roman orgy

      *Limbaugh says he's moving to Costa Rica

      "Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said tonight that he will be spending the next four years "in exile" in Costa Rica.
      The controversial provocateur says he cannot fathom living another four years in Obama's America and will be retreating to a private villa near the Costa Rican resort town of Puntarenas until 2016."


      *Emmanuel on Fox News: "Shut the Fuck up. You lost."

      Some of this stuff is friggin hilarious. And the funny thing is, a lot of it (like Buchanan or Limbaugh) is actually believable!

      I think everybody owes Buchanan an apology and the Currant a congratulations, lol! smile

      1. secularist10 profile image91
        secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I have to share just one more:

        "Arizona Bans Premarital Menstruation"

        http://dailycurrant.com/2012/06/04/ariz … struation/

        "Today the U.S. state of Arizona continued its bizarre assault on women's reproductive health by passing into law a ban on women menstruating before they are "properly married".
        The bill - known as SB 11235 - will make menstruation a crime punishible by up to 1 year in prison unless done with a permit signed by the woman's husband.
        ...
        Beginning January 1st 2013 all vendors of contraception pills, maxi pads, and PMS remedies such as Midol will be required by law to ask for a marriage licence before these products can be sold.
        Most major drug chains have decided to go along with the measure, although some - including Wallgreens - will instead cease selling these products in Arizona altogether.
        "We believe all women should have access to these products," says a Walgreens spokeswoman "We're either selling them to everybody or not selling them at all."
        Also on January 1st controversial enforcement provisions are set to come into force. Arizona police will thenceforth be required to stop all women drivers of childbearing age for random roadside pelvic exams to ensure compliance with the measure. "

  11. SoManyPaths profile image59
    SoManyPathsposted 4 years ago

    Those types of dinosaurs are becoming less common. George P. Bush is their future hope since the hispanic population is ever rising.

  12. adjkp25 profile image91
    adjkp25posted 4 years ago

    I did a hub on Buchanan a few months ago and I was really bothered by some of the stuff that he allows to exit his mouth.  I guess he doesn't want to damage his reputation so he just keeps saying crazy things.

  13. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    After scrolling many pages of Google results looking for an original source (not finding it),
    this just popped up.
    This writer claims to have interviewed Mr. Buchanan directly and indeed, Mr. Buchanan seems to be predicting the end of the white "tribe" in America.
    Perhaps Hollie and CMHypno and others from across the pond can verify the veracity of this source.
    smile

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ds-newsxml

    1. secularist10 profile image91
      secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think Buchanan is a racist. He is very politically incorrect and doesn't care about offending people, to be sure, but I don't think he believes the white race is superior by virtue of its genes, as true racists and white supremacists do.

      What he has said is that European/ Western civilization is superior to other civilizations. In broad strokes, I think that's true. This is the civilization that produced the secular Enlightenment, rationalism, empiricism, naturalism, modern science, and a rationalistic and philosophical basis for democracy and human rights. This in turn has led to the most advanced women's rights, gay rights and (ironically) minority rights on earth. Other civilizations and traditions have many wonderful qualities too. But the highest concentration of these advantages is seen in the historical West.

      Where he goes wrong is to place so much emphasis on skin color and genes. He doesn't understand that the entire white race could die out but the values and traditions their ancestors began can live on through others.

      He is right to point out that black and brown Americans are underachieving in education and income. This is partly because of cultural values, partly because of historical injustices, partly because of systemic socioeconomic problems.

      He is wrong in his approach though. He should be supporting improved education and economic opportunities in poor segments of America, not whining about declining white birth rates.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image89
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think the Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayans, Incans, Aztecs and a host of other non-Westerners, non-Europeans might disagree with that premise.
        I see your point, though.
        And your summation is spot-on.
        We have to deal with what is, not what was.
        We have to address the cultural, socioconomic, health and educational disparities inherent in our country so that ALL citizens have opportunities to excel.

      2. wavegirl22 profile image47
        wavegirl22posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        you may think he isnt a racist, but Buchanan himself certainly thinks of himself as one.





        What makes that any less of what you refer to as a true racists / white supremacist? Where in his response to Liddy does he mention skin color or genes?

        1. secularist10 profile image91
          secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Didn't you see the info posted by Black Vendetta above? (And my comments above) The article you linked to is a satire/ joke. It's a satire site. And a damn good one too, by the looks of it! Lol!

    2. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Good article.

  14. Drive By Quipper profile image61
    Drive By Quipperposted 4 years ago

    Take my word for it. White America is still alive and kicking.

  15. Mark Johann profile image61
    Mark Johannposted 4 years ago

    I am excited to learn different opinions from white people. If we try to peel every races' skins, we can see they are just the same.

    My argument I may say is that, is there still strong discrimination withing the midst of USA?

    1. Jean Bakula profile image95
      Jean Bakulaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Mark,
      I don't think the discrimination of people is really so rampant, it's just the ones who feel that way are loud and make their opinions known. Many of them come from parts of the country that are less populated, so they may not have had the chance to meet and work with anyone who has skin a different color than them. My parents grew up not allowed to date people who were not white, but I am  in my 50's and most of my generation doesn't feel that way. Also, it appears many people from the U.S. south never got over the Civil War, they are the people who seem to have these negative opinions. I hope the few who are so closed minded don't make you think we are all like them. We aren't smile.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There is still plenty of discrimination in the USA, but much less than before the civil rights revolution in the 1960s and 1970s.

      1. recommend1 profile image72
        recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        From my experience with US ex-pats - the open discrimination is reduced considerably but the underlying racism remains the same.  In conversations, I note a cautious probing to see how people around the table think and when it is confirmed that there is nobody there who is going to be 'offended' the racism is openly expressed.  The same goes for gay issues.

        This is not just the citizens of the US, it applies to most people, especially Brits.

        These two issues may well be the drivers of the 'deep' divide that is apparent in the US and the UK.  In our microcosm the racists and homophobes eat and drink in their own places, we go elsewhere.

        1. Jean Bakula profile image95
          Jean Bakulaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That's how it is in the U.S. too. I have a friend who grew up in South Carolina, and moved to New Jersey, who was shocked at the "closet racism." It's nowhere as bad as it used to be, as the demographics are changing, NJ has a big Muslim and Hispanic population. We have lots of gays too. It's mainly the older people who cannot change so easily, I suppose they never had much experience with people even a bit different then them. These types hang around in cliques and tight knit groups, so they can feel superior to everyone else. It's sad, so I'm glad hatred didn't win the day in the U.S.

        2. NateB11 profile image92
          NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Where I live, in a backward little town around the Northwest in America, people are openly, blatantly racist. Whites are a majority here, and everyone is dumb and backward, so it's acceptable. It's a good microcosm of America.

          1. NateB11 profile image92
            NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            ...by "good microcosm", I mean it is representative of America; not that it's actually good. Included is an expectation that you ought to slave away for low pay, and scrape and cower while you're doing it.

            1. recommend1 profile image72
              recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              This, incidentally, illustrates western media double-speak - the media make out that other countries, races and peoples are all kinds of enemy when in reality it is always the rich owners wherever it is, China, Iran, or the US.   This can be tested quite simply,  get on a plane and drop into any country that you pick by chance and you will find the people there welcoming, tolerant and likeable, just like you.

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago
    1. Mighty Mom profile image89
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Have you noticed the steady stream of dejected US emigrants crossing the border yet, UW?
      lol

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That's a great link. Thanks. I put it to good use with a few of my GOP friends.

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    txbk40posted 4 years ago

    Glad to see the Native Americans weren't left out of the American ethnicity. Thanks Mighty Mom. I'm sorry to say Racism is alive and well here in the South. I am from Texas (ducking now). It seems we have many Buchanans living around here. People I've known forever actually think the President is the AntiChrist, not a legalized citizen, and he is a Muslim. They are in 'fear'. It's hard for me to believe they can't/won't believe the truth. Very sad. I'm sure I am hated as I have always voted for President Obama and never tried to hide my political convictions. Just sad.

  18. kevstuh profile image59
    kevstuhposted 4 years ago

    I think whats worthy of note is the anti working class attitudes of the new GOP idiocy. How many times have we heard the republicans, prior to the election, bash food stamps and social security. I know of a few middle class (40-60k p/yr), mid-managers that were laid off and happy they lived in a country imbued with compassion for those facing hard times. What about the middle class retiree, whose pension alone is not enough to keep pace with the cost of living. Well thank God for social security, which is still solvent. This new GOP base is certainly not your fathers republican party. That party was centrist and not afraid to cross the aisle to avoid a credit rating downgrade, like the one we suffered last summer. This new party has aligned itself with the banking cartel, and the republican politicians job is to knead the Koch brothers agenda into something palatable for republican middle class consumption.
    Please, don't drink the kool-aid.

  19. recommend1 profile image72
    recommend1posted 4 years ago

    Trump is only voicing the opinion of many Americans.  Those ex-pats I meet here in China seem to represent the election reulst,  they are either escaping the 'horror' of America ( as represented by Trump) or clearly in agreement with Trump.  Able to speak openly here without a range of peer pressures, they are usually married to a Chinese woman and openly racist about black and Asian, and seriously homophobic.

    The kristian camp are racist and homophobic to the same degree but are so busy trying to defend their ridiculous theories on the creation of the world etc.,  that they fail to see themselves insulting my Chinese wife with their racism until she points it out to them often (good for her!).  and their awful homophobia comes out as various twisted strands of reasoning  about how it is not natural and how christ can cure them.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image89
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No doubt the irony of living in a Kommunist Kountry is also lost on them.
      roll

      1. recommend1 profile image72
        recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        We might like to think so - but China is about as communist these days as Trump !   There is a transition going on here that seems to be unreported (generally) and is about those in power acquiring the wealth - that is the norm all over the world - and the creation of a large middle class.

        The real irony is that there are rarely any police on the streets except the new breed of traffic cops trying to stop people parking in the middle of the busy roads etc.  Violence and aggression are pretty much unheard of and, apart from having to watch your bags, it is safe to walk anywhere at any time.

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I have heard tell there are more billionaires in China than anywhere else in the world.
          Or maybe it was millionaires.
          Would have to dig up the link.

          1. recommend1 profile image72
            recommend1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Officially they are second to the US in numbers of Billionaire and Millionaire - however, it is more normal for the family to have the money here in China with levels of trust within the family that we can only dream of.  It is also a good idea to be cautious about displaying excessive wealth in China as they have a recent history of the people putting that issue right when it gets out of hand.

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    Motown2Chitownposted 4 years ago

    I'm white.  And American.  And still very much alive last time I checked.  Maybe just he just meant rich, white male America?  Although - oh, yep - they're still around too.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      They mean the older white guys... even some of the commentators in Canada were commenting on how the GOP needs to attract different types of people and that the largest group who voted for them were over 64 and white. Look at the votes and the percentages if you don't believe that.

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well, you know what Winston Churchill said about conservatives and liberals.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          This one?

          http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/s … attributed

          These quotes make for good story-telling but popular myth has falsely attributed them to Churchill.

          "Conservative by the time you're 35"

          "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart.  If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!  And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"

        2. bgamall profile image86
          bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          But the neocons that run the Republican party are not conservatives. They are NEO conservatives, meaning that they are not slow to war, isolationist, etc. They are fast to war, aggressors and want to take over the world even if it means they could be blown up by the Russians while attempting it!

          1. Repairguy47 profile image60
            Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Uhhuh!

  21. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago

    Regardless, they still have to find a way to attract a larger demographic or they will never elect a president again...

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe Churchill didn't say it I don't know, still a good one and most people get more conservative as they age. I don't think the trick is to go after a particular group as much as it is about reaching those who vote against their interests. The truth about democrats needs to reach those most effected by the bad policies.

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Actually the scientific fact is that people get more liberal as they age, the appearance is caused by the fact that the world and the country gets more liberal faster than people thus usually by the time people get into their later years they are comparatively conservative.

        http://news.discovery.com/human/voter-c … 20119.html
        http://www.livescience.com/2360-busting … l-age.html

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Hasn't been my experience.

          1. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Remains statistically true regardless.

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Not according to election results.

              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Did you not read my first comment? people become more liberal as they age, the country becomes more liberal faster thus most of us oldies end up voting conservative, the ones who don't manage to keep up with the times that is.

 
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