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Romney humiliation complete; Looks like he lost Florida EC now 332-206

  1. Credence2 profile image84
    Credence2posted 4 years ago

    Looks like the landslide in favor of Romney has turned out to be more of s*it storm. They say that if water could run uphill.... They all told me this election would model the one in 1980 between Carter and Reagan, but it reminds me more of what happened in 1996 between Dole and Clinton.

    Your thoughts?

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
      Kathleen Cochranposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There is no humiliation in trying your best to achieve something, especially something very, very few people ever achieve - or even attempt.  And I'm not even a Republican.  They never know how these things will turn out no matter what the predictions are.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Kathleen, the loss appears to be something that has caught the GOP totally blind sighted as to what it was that the people wanted. It is time for a reassessment by the GOP as to their future in coming years

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
          Kathleen Cochranposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You are certainly right about that.  GOP has only won a popular vote once in the last six elections for president  Time to reflect and regroup.

      2. bgamall profile image85
        bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, don't worry, he is humiliated. The Republican Party is too radical, too unwilling to compromise, even with the Russians. Romney wanted a new cold war. He deserves humiliation because he was led astray by the right wing media predicting his victory.

        1. The Suburban Poet profile image80
          The Suburban Poetposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          What kind of person makes fun of an American who is tough on the Russians? Do you trust Putin? If you do it just goes to show that you are too naive to be taken seriously.

          1. Josak profile image59
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            There is a big difference between not trusting Putin and creating hostile relationships with the third most powerful nation on earth, one is logical the other is stupid, Romney did the second.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
              Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Very true. And Romney said that Russia is our greatest enemy. Very dumb.

          2. e-five profile image96
            e-fiveposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7351350_f248.jpg

            1. Josak profile image59
              Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Great now I've sprayed coffee everywhere tongue big_smile

          3. bgamall profile image85
            bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You don't understand. The US and Russia have a balance of power through mutually assured destruction. Therefore, the missile shield is an act of war because it shifts that balance towards the US. Putin has no choice but to destroy the missile shield or launch WW3 before it is built.

            You have been brainwashed by a very dangerous right wing of neocons. Even Pat Buchanan, the racist, fears upsetting the Russian Bear. And he has been around a long time.

            1. The Suburban Poet profile image80
              The Suburban Poetposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not brainwashed but nice try. The Russians only understand power and they would LOVE it if you were sitting across the table from them... but that's fine; we have our opinions. It's all a matter of negotiation anyway and if you think a public pronouncement is how it would be behind closed doors then I think you are not thinking it through. You have to have a bargainning power for whatever it is that you want.

              Interesting that you think I'm brainwashed but you are the one who brought up WWIII. Interesting.

              Oh... and you are quoting Buchanan? Nice....

              1. bgamall profile image85
                bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Who is fighting all the damn wars right now? The Russians? I didn't think so.

                Take your head out of the Republican fog.

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                  Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Shades of Dr. Strangelove!  <snipped>

                  1. bgamall profile image85
                    bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, it obviously was a favorite movie of Mike Myers as well. smile

        2. donotfear profile image91
          donotfearposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "My, My, arent' we FULL of Christian love!??"

          http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4919701118714361&amp;pid=1.7&amp;w=119&amp;h=146&amp;c=7&amp;rs=1

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        Sophia Angeliqueposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No, there is no humiliation in trying something and not getting right, but there sure is something humiliating about being so cocksure that you're going to win that you don't even write a speech if you have to conceded, and there is something humiliating about assuring everybody you're going to win because you're so full of yourself, and then you don't.

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          SassySue1963posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Every politician, everywhere, assures everyone they are gong to win prior to an election. Every single solitary one. What do you expect them to do? Come out and be like, "well, we probably won't win but ...go out and vote for me!". Get a grip. As for not having a concession speech ready, he did a heck of a job then. Both sides agree it was one of the best concession speeches, and very gracious, that they'd ever heard.

          1. LucidDreams profile image80
            LucidDreamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            After more then an hour, Romney and his counter parts come up with a concession speech. I am somewhat surpised he even came out. Most politicians are bought before they even run for office and Romney was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear. You can't have a platform when you change your mind each time someone asks a hard question.

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              Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I think we can conclude Romney is either the quintessential sleazy politician, or the most indecisive person on the planet.  Either option means he would've made a bad president tongue.

    2. kathleenkat profile image90
      kathleenkatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It doesn't really remind me of that election, no. Romney gained a very large percentage of the popular votes, as did Obama (just slightly more).

      I suppose that's why few saw him losing by so much. But that's what the EC does.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, Kat, that is certainly one way to look at this...

    3. LiamBean profile image86
      LiamBeanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Despite the overwhelming electoral vote numbers, the head-count was close. Or closer than I thought it would be. Maybe Romney and supporters thought it would be like Carter and Reagan. But it wasn't like Dole vs Clinton either.

      We have a name for that sort of self-delusion; hubris.

      In truth Romney started seriously behind in funding. He did not have the necessary infrastructure in the key swing states and he lost all but one of them. His numerous gaffs weren't terribly inspiring either.

      Reagan, on the other hand, was a personality who exuded confidence every time the camera was put on him.

      As of now the Republican party wonks are going on and on about the obvious mistakes. None of the "mistakes" they are naming are all that obvious and the only real mistake is a complete and utter detachment from the majority of people living in this country.  You can no longer pander to middle-aged white men and expect to win a majority.

      And being a middle-aged white man I did not vote for Romney. I prefer to see all of the people living here treated like equals.

      The Grand Old Party continues to suffer from that delusion, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The best snake-oil salesperson among them will be able to talk him or herself into a lucrative campaign job in late 2013.

  2. KK Trainor profile image61
    KK Trainorposted 4 years ago

    Sorry but that is a stupid comparison. Dole won only 159 electoral votes. Clinton 379. Wider margin. Stupid comparison. How about you try running for President and see how you do?

    1. Mighty Mom profile image92
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ann Romney! We've missed you!
      "Stop it. This is hard. You wanna try it?"
      lol

    2. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      KK, you never know I just might run for president, I gotta do better than 90 percent of the clowns the GOP put forth. The point is that Obama's success is closer to that of Clinton than that of Bush in 2004, 2000 and can be hardly be considered 'close'. To think otherwise, now that is stupid!

      1. kathleenkat profile image90
        kathleenkatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I highly recommend you remove all traces of yourself from the internet, then.

        The media are bloodsuckers, and will seek out every thing you ever said, ever, and twist it against you. But only if you become famous by running for office. You and I are safe, as nobodies.

        1. Credence2 profile image84
          Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I was being facetious, Kat, I do not have the qualifications to run for the nation's highest office. Since the media has been relentless based on dollars spent from both sides, the winner comes down to who can manipulate it more effectively as in this 21st century this kind of phenomenon is not going away

          1. The Suburban Poet profile image80
            The Suburban Poetposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not being facetious when I say this: Your comment was one of the most rational I've read in this entire election cycle.

            1. Credence2 profile image84
              Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, SP!

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Qualifications necessary for DC:

            strong desire for power
            strong desire for money
            strong desire to control the lives of others
            willingness to sell your soul, forsaking all ethics and morals, to get those  things.
            A strong sex drive seems to help, but is probably not absolutely necessary.

    3. LiamBean profile image86
      LiamBeanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think it's a stupid question. In this day of memes as information comparisons like this (Dole vs Clinton or Carter vs Reagan) actually displays a bit more respect to the reader.

      This has been perhaps the most well funded, contentious race in a hundred years. That anyone survived the "shake-out" without having a complete break-down testifies to the excellent test running for the presidential office actually is.

      This perhaps the only thing I can respect Romney for.

  3. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    I'm not seeing an update of the EC in my Google search.
    Is it official?

    1. KK Trainor profile image61
      KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It was conceded this afternoon by Romney's people.

      'Obama leads Romney 49.9 percent (or 4,180,697 votes) to 49.24 percent (or 4,124,865 votes)—a margin of 55,832 votes—with more than 97 percent of the vote counted.'

      What a landslide!!

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
    Kathleen Cochranposted 4 years ago

    Well, we were all nice to each other for a few minutes.

  5. bgpappa profile image86
    bgpappaposted 4 years ago

    I did not vote for Romney and frankly couldn't stand him.  But I want to give him credit for something.  He and his staff have been dignified in defeat.  He staffers sent amazingly gracious tweets/facebook posts, etc, after the loss.  Romney, which giving what must have been a difficult concession speech, has been gracious in defeat thus far.  Makes me think maybe he is not such a bad guy after all.

    Now only if some of his supporters can do the same.  The President won, plain and simple.  That means something.  Republicans need to pull it together.  Hopefully the Kemp/Dole Republicans can gain control and try to govern.  Disagreement is a good thing.  Obstruction is not.  And there are big issues coming up that can only get fixed together.  I hope they take note of Mr. Romney and his staff actions and rise to their level.

    1. The Suburban Poet profile image80
      The Suburban Poetposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure both men are good men; good parents; good husbands... they are not anywhere near the disparaging remarks that are thrown their way. That is why I get so frustrated with the extremists on both sides. These men are incredibly accomplished; incredibly disciplined; incredibly smart. BOTH of them. They are a credit to the nation and it's a shame that we have to have such a wide divide between THE PEOPLE.

      1. Doodlehead profile image81
        Doodleheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        With all their brains neither understands or appreciates the brilliance of our Constitution.   I want someone who understands the wisdom of the founders of our country.

    2. livewithrichard profile image83
      livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well someone on his staff wasn't so gracious to those closest to his campaign... On the ride home after the election, the campaign staffers that were given a campaign credit card found out that the cards had been cancelled...  I'd like to think that it wasn't Romney who did this, but someone on his staff was counting the losses within hours of the election:

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen … the-night/

      1. Mighty Mom profile image92
        Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I have heard that repeatedly today. Ouch!
        Perhaps it is SOP for campaigns to shut down on a dime (no pun intended).
        But, given the extraordinary financial resources of this particular candidate, it seems particularly harsh to shut off credit cards in the middle of the night.
        Message to staffers, "Thanks for nothing."

        Gotta wonder, though. DId Romney  pay for the fireworks show he had lined up over Boston harbor, even though the celebratory fireworks were not deployed?
        roll

        1. livewithrichard profile image83
          livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Cutting off the credit cards is a no-brainer but let them at least get home first.  I'm sure they worked their butts off, and they were certainly physically, possibly emotionally, exhausted.

      2. profile image0
        Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Pathetic really, and telling of the kind of person Romney is.

        1. livewithrichard profile image83
          livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I wouldn't place the blame on Romney for this... I'm certain he had other things going through his mind at the time.  This had to be the act of an overzealous staffer... thinking about all the yet unpaid bills... but still, with the size of that bankroll they collected it seems very petty.

    3. profile image0
      DMartelonlineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      ^ I concur! This I thought was very big of his staffers, they were extremely gracious.  If only some of the putrid posts we've seen on other threads were so gracious <sigh>.

      I supported neither major candidate (even though I'm from a true blue state).  My vote doesn't count anyway <grin>

      1. tammybarnette profile image60
        tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I have never heard anyone say that, I constantly complain that I live in the blood red state of TN...maybe we should trade houses,lol smile

    4. LiamBean profile image86
      LiamBeanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I would prefer that the Republican NOT pull it together. We need a new socially liberal, fiscally conservative party. Too many crazy zealots have taken over the GOP.

  6. Doodlehead profile image81
    Doodleheadposted 4 years ago

    Romney cheated his way through the primaries.   He was not the choice of the Republicans.  He forced himself on the Republicans and remained "pure" even though he colluded with the RNC all the way to cheat the other Republican candidates.   

    Romney deserves defeat.   I am not an Obama supporter.

  7. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    Here's a link to a great video on Fox News coverage of the election:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0 … _ref=false

  8. brakel2 profile image86
    brakel2posted 4 years ago via iphone

    Why can't you be happy for Obama instead of trashing the losers? Tell about what he plans for the country, and that will make everyone  happy.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I thought Romney gave a quite eloquent and generous concession speech and Obama an eloquent acceptance speech. I don't think Romney is an evil man. He was caught between the Tea Party wing of the GOP and a majority of the American people. He couldn't connect with both.

      1. bgamall profile image85
        bgamallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well, Bain capital may have colluded to drive prices down on the companies they "rescued". So, I don't concur that he is not evil. I think he is. He comes across as a nice guy, but Condi Rice comes across as a nice lady. That doesn't mean she isn't evil.

        1. profile image0
          SassySue1963posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The First Pooch seems like a nice doggie, but that doesn't mean he isn't a werewolf. I think he might be.

          smh

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
          Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Okay. Bain was pretty ruthless under Romney. And I'm not a fan of Condolezza.

  9. brakel2 profile image86
    brakel2posted 4 years ago via iphone

    May the next four years bring the two parties and the American people closer together, forgetting anger, embracing compassion and working for the good of the country.

  10. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Ours is not to reason why....

    http://kimgarst.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/blame-game_design2.png

    lol lol lol

  11. Doodlehead profile image81
    Doodleheadposted 4 years ago

    For Republicans, check out the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party.   Their platform is the US CONSTITUTION!

  12. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    I'm not sure I see anything particularly gracious in waiting an hour and a half before offering his concession speech.  They were in total disbelief that they had lost.  Even Fox News couldn't believe they had delivered the news correctly, which is kind of ironic in itself.


    Here's a great graphic of Election 2012 with numbers and facts from the Tampa Bay Times.

    1. kathleenkat profile image90
      kathleenkatposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      He waited until results were in and polls were closed for ALL states, including Alaska and Hawaii. At 8pm Pacific time, it was determined that Obama had won...however, that was just the polls being closed in my state, and California/Oregon. It was assumed that WA/CA/OR would be blue, yet 0% of the votes were actually reported at that time (I was looking at WA live, it took almost an hour to report any percentage of the votes to CNN and Huffington Post).

      I guess I will be forever baffled as to why people on Hubpages seem to think they know so much about Mitt Romney.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Which Mitt Romney are you referring to?

        1. tammybarnette profile image60
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

  13. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    It's final Florida announced that Obama is the winner and gets all 29 of Florida's 29 electoral votes. Result 332 to 206 for Obama. This puts the GOP in a deep hole. It will be interesting to see whether they are smart enough to stop digging.

  14. Doodlehead profile image81
    Doodleheadposted 4 years ago

    Ralph---you know they aren't smart enough to stop digging.   They have been digging since the fifties.

 
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