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Obama Won

  1. b4murray profile image59
    b4murrayposted 4 years ago

    Obama won so now what...
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    Would JFK be considered a Republican today?

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." ~ JFK

      Exactly the same as the current liberals.

      The country as a whole has moved left since Kennedy's day no doubt (partially thanks to him) but the principles remain the same. Kennedy tried to pass universal healthcare too.

      1. innersmiff profile image71
        innersmiffposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wait what? "civil liberties"?
        "someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad"

        lol

        How in any way does this describe modern liberals?

        1. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Civil rights such as reproductive choice and gay marriage.

          Reaching out in massive improvements made in America's image around the world and cordial relationships with Turkey and Russia leading to a significantly better situation with both those nations.

          1. innersmiff profile image71
            innersmiffposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, oh . . . so modern liberals protect particular liberties and are diplomatic towards some countries - not civil liberties and diplomacy in general. Why didn't you just say that?

            1. KK Trainor profile image60
              KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol

            2. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Those were just examples the social issues are the prime civil liberties issues in America.

              Our relationships with other nations and how they perceive us have improved in every single country outside the Middle East and most of those too if you want it in broader terms.

              1. innersmiff profile image71
                innersmiffposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What about civil liberty issues that affect everyone like the police state? Where was the left when Obama basically continued Bush's draconian policies?

                1. Josak profile image60
                  Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't remember anyone being particularly pleased about that, it's one of the reasons why I voted third party but if there has never been a perfect president and unfortunately American politics are a comparison game.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I would agree that liberal politicians look ahead - all the way to their next election.  And that they care about the welfare of the people - at least their buddies that work for their re-election.  They even care about the welfare, to some degree at least, of the man in the street - at least as long as that man will cast a vote for them.

        Of course, I would say the same thing about conservative politicians....

    2. tammybarnette profile image60
      tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Interestingly, I read an article earlier today that suggested Obama was comparative to Ronald Reagan, specifically the way Reagan changed the Republican party...It was Bloomberg I think, I will have to find the link...but I have been saying he reminded me of Reagan, I think Obama is a Republican in sheeps clothing, but he is socially Liberal, and that is the future of our contry in order to grow and change...He will go down in History much the way Reagan has...they both are very center, moderate, and that I believe is the best colllaboration of dueling ideologies, just my opinion smile

      1. KK Trainor profile image60
        KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Are you serious or is that sarcasm? Because if you are serious about any of what you just said you are completely deluded. I'm just asking because I can't believe you actually think any of that is true. Neither one of them is (was) any type of moderate. Nothing about Obama is in any way Republican. Reagan was a great man who knew how to work with everyone and actually persuade rather than ignore and work around Congress. I can't believe you really are comparing them, so it must be sarcasm...

        1. tammybarnette profile image60
          tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The part where you say "Reagan was a great man who knew how to work with Anyone," that personality type is called a liberal, it simply means those things listed in the beautiful example above ...Obama handles Foriegn Policy very much in a Republican vision, he handles communities like a liberal, and he handles financing as  perfectly middle of the road and willing to compromise but does not back down and give in to being bullied, so yes, he is soooo middle, and a damn good POTUS

          1. KK Trainor profile image60
            KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Ok, I have my answer. I still can't believe it though...

  2. b4murray profile image59
    b4murrayposted 4 years ago

    Obama is alot of things, but I agree he is no Ronald Reagan...




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    1. Mighty Mom profile image90
      Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Is that a good thing... or a not good thing?

      1. KK Trainor profile image60
        KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure he wishes he could compare... Reagan just gets better with time, but Obama won't.

        1. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          IF you really think that in 50 years Reagan will be remembered as better than Obama you have a serious think coming tongue

          1. Mighty Mom profile image90
            Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Obama is already being discussed as one of the great transforming presidents.

            As for Reagan, rose colored (that's red diluted with pixie dust and time) glasses have created a nostalgic aura around his memory.
            Nothing wrong with that. If you're into mythology.

            1. KK Trainor profile image60
              KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What has he transformed exactly? Please, specifics.

              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Passed universal healthcare, was the first black president, was the first president to support gay marriage, got rid of don't ask don't tell, ended the war in Iraq etc. etc.

                Reagan was pretty popular and successfully turned around a moderate recession, that's great but it won't mark the history books in the same way.

              2. Mighty Mom profile image90
                Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                First and foremost, health care. (see link)
                Equal rights for LGBT citizens and military and women.
                More to come in term II with historic immigration reform.
                And hopefully, the tax code as well.
                smile
                http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/ … index.html

                1. Josak profile image60
                  Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  +1
                  Right I forgot the dream act, my bad, very important for a very important and growing demographic.

                  1. KK Trainor profile image60
                    KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    The Dream Act has not been passed. An executive order is not an act.

                2. KK Trainor profile image60
                  KK Trainorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well I guess if social issues are what matter to you, you'll remember him fondly. I care about the bigger picture, and Reagan worked with other world leaders to change the world map and free millions from tyrrany and despair. That's transformation.

                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    If that is your flavor the Arab spring is being celebrated across the world as a  victory of democracy over dictatorship and that will be remembered too.

                  2. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't forget we are comparing a president who has one term against a president who had twice the time.

                  3. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
                    Cody Hodge5posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Eh, it could be argued that the Berlin Wall was going to fall on its own....

  3. tammybarnette profile image60
    tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago

    For Democrats, the picture is brighter.

    Obama’s first-term achievements, including the health-care law and Wall Street reform, are now secure. A second term marked by an improving economy and capped with historic tax and entitlement reform seems well within reach.

    That would put Obama among a select group of Democratic presidents. When the scope of his Nov. 6 victory became clear, some giddy liberals likened Obama to Ronald Reagan, the Republican whose legacy defined much of the last quarter century of American politics.

    Such comparisons may be premature. But looking four years out, they are not unthinkable.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-0 … -deal.html

 
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