What is everyone's opinion on abortion? Should it be legalized that abortion is OK? Or in only certain circumstances? What do YOU think?
Yes - it should not be made illegal and religious spammers should be made illegal instead.
Abortion is immoral, but less immoral than getting together as a society and forcing women to give birth against their will. Abortion should be legal until the fetus achieves the capacity for thought and sentience which I believe (could be wrong) occurs about the 4 months stage.
Abortion is murder in all cases. Abortion reduces the value of life to nothing. We need to care for women who have been raped or otherwise made pregnant without their consent. Local churches should get involved here not to preach to them but to care for their needs, physical and emotional. Government should not be involved in this debate.
Excellent - you favor not making abortion illegal then?
'Local churches should get involved here not to preach to them', sorry, but that's what churches do!
Christians are to be like Christ..love your neighbor as yourself..God is the judge not me or anyone else...Jesus loves all of us and died on the cross for each person...He is a loving God beyond any love that we could possibly know on earth... this does not change: sin is sin.. we should love all people not judge or preach at that, deliver the message to them... if you confess your sin God is faithful to forgive... much of the problem with us Christians, we show the world an ugly preach at, judgmental person..this is not Christianity.. God love you and expects me to love you..I do...God Bless You.
I don't think Christ would approve of abortion. Either way HE loves all of us no matter what choices we chose. Good or bad, HE FORGIVES. AMEN
Religious people have FREE SPEECH here in the U.S. To assume thier beliefs are SPAM is a juvenile idea. Abortion is legal, but I don't like paying for it with my tax dollars. I become a contributor to murder without my choice to pay to participate in it. I don't like not having a choice, that's why all women have choices.
Sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me. Let them rant and rave and call names, it only shows thier immaturity if they know what that means. If they don't like it why don't they turn off thier computer or go to another site?
But, it's not a choice if they can't pay for it.
Abortion kills a baby the act is evil not the people who commit the act... God loves each one of them and wants them to confess the sin and be in Heaven for all eternity with Him.
I think that the continued harassment of normal folk by freaky people should be made a banning issue.
I am pro-life but I think it should be legally granted in certain circumstances as in rape or any medical conditions that may be of danger to the life of the mother and of the child as well. Other than that, there is a thing called "rubber" available everywhere and it fits all sizes. (:
You assert that rape is the only unwarranted right to life. What would make that life any less equal if you are prolife? If mitigating circumstances were involved to warrant the abortion then you are pro choice. If you were prolife then there would be no condition that abortion is acceptable. The choice to abort in that case should then be up to the mother. All other conditions that would be deemed unacceptable would include an unwanted pregnancy or a teen mother with no maturity or viable means to support the child. Children that would be born into abusive situations or any other reason the mother would wish to choose is off the table?
I choose prolife for myself and the mother of my children. I don't however, force my belief on others and don't judge them for their choice.
A mother is a mother no matter how old she is when she gets pregnant. There was a child of 8 who delivered a healthy baby. It was incest but the doctor who helped her showed the world that there is hope. The Grandmother and the young mother went home with the baby and are raised as siblings. They were Catholics, from Equador. Now that is FAITH......
I think people in that situation should be left to make their own decisions.
No one is denying the right to decide here. But looking at different perspectives can help make a better decision. All options should be on the table and the mother will decide what is best for herself. Let's pray she gives the child life and adopts it out.
I believe it should be allowed, but not as a form of birth control. There are dozens of other options, less invasive, as far as birth control is concerned. There is even Plan B which works up to 72 hours after intercourse. You can buy Plan B over the counter at the age of 16 (or 17? I don't recall, but it's under 18 for sure). There is a certain element of personal responsibility that is being overlooked, and quite frankly, if you are healthy and able to carry a pregnancy to term, why not? At least help a family who is struggling to conceive; most of the time medical expenses are paid for.
I believe it should be allowed in cases of minors, rape, incest, danger of mortality to the mother.
Also, definitely amp up the sex ed program. Just go to Webanswers and see all the idiotic questions women post; such as, women think that if they urinate after sex, they are flushing out sperm (you don't piss out of your vagina). There are so many "who is the father" questions, and women don't know when they ovulate, or anything about their cycles. Like, would you fly a plane without first learning about how it works? Sex should be treated the same, but sadly is not. I did not have sex ed until 10th grade; people have sex before then, sorry. We need to amp up our sex ed programs for children if we want to prevent abortions in the first place.
Those are my opinions.
In an ideal world, I would prefer that abortion be legal only in cases of rape, incest, and medical reasons, but we don't live in an ideal world. Those kinds of restrictions are neither humane to the women involved nor practical from a legal standpoint. Abortions are safer the earlier they're performed, so having to get permission from a judge or something wouldn't just be cruel to actual victims of rape, incest, and medical emergency, it would also increase the threat to the mother's lives.
I was linked to this youtube video recently and it articulates my views on a rape/incest exception in particular very well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ9fd4pgCvQ
Abortion is best prevented by improving access to comprehensive sex ed, birth control, prenatal care, domestic abuse counseling, and similar types of programs, not through legal restrictions on the procedure itself.
Should be legal, in all cases I feel if they want an abortion it should be because of rape, medicial reason, or just plain because they cannot take care of the child themselves. What a woman does with her body is her own decision.
Correct, what does that have to do with abortion? You see with abortion it's not her own body she is doing something to.
So you think you can force a woman to take a pregnancy to term without impinging on her body in any way?
So you think you can abort a baby without impinging on it's body in any way?
Nope obviously it affects both which is why it baffles me that you said "You see with abortion it's not her own body she is doing something to."
It plainly is as well as the body of someone else (depending on what point we consider something to become someone).
So we agree, either option is about the woman's body, thus the choice is hers.
The body of the baby doesn't get a choice? Doesn't that seem a little harsh to you? She choosing to have sex without proper protection and the baby get discarded without a voice?
She may be a child herself
She have had protected sex where it failed, or been raped
The baby is incapable of choice.
No I don't think that is harsh, especially if the fetus is inside me and either of the above has happened.
I think the idea that I should be enslaved as an unwilling broodmare is harsh.
Then abort early. No problem. Wait until 25 weeks and then you've made another mistake and should live with the consequences. No one is tell you that you have to keep the child, but there is not much difference between a 34 and 40 week old fetus.
What made you think I was suggesting waiting until the last minute?
If you support abortion at the earliest possible moment, at the choice of the mother, we are in 100% agreement.
That is what I was saying too. Of course I don't believe a woman should get an abortion after 20 weeks and she would not have that choice, unless there was something drastically wrong with the fetus.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-could not have said it better! No girl and/or woman should forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy. This is egregious inhumanity. A female body, female choice! Get your hands off my womb! My womb is-MINE! All children, without exception, should be WANTED and PLANNED!
No one wants to force anything on a woman except the rapist and the innocent child that will be killed because the mother was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Your right, my womb is mine and no rapist or abortionist should violate that fact. Why should the innocent child die because a rapist is on the loose?
I keep asking how people think they can force a woman to give birth but no one ever answers.
I'll try. It's my understanding that while it's legal get an abortion past 20 weeks it's almost impossible to find a place to do it. At least in Canada anyway. Past 20 weeks you are forced to deliver because it's illegal to attempt your own abortion.
That doesn't really answer why an outside should be able to force a woman to carry a full pregnancy against her explicit wishes.
It just recognizes that the degree of imposition varies depending on how far the pregnancy has progressed as does the degree of intervention that would be required and the likelihood of the fetus being viable as a separate body.
As a woman with functioning reproductive parts I just do not concede that anyone should be able to make that decision for me.
A lot of decisions are made for us. A what point is it okay for you to end a life, 25, 30, 35 weeks. Actions have consequences.
Should rape have the morally justified consequence of being a daddy? With visitation rights?
These are important decisions. That does not mean they are "too important" for the women to have the right to make them.
I ma not saying abortion is a trivial decision, I am saying it is astoundingly important and should be vested with the holder of the gestating womb.
I agree, just don't wait until the 20th week.
I don't know maybe the fact that you ignored my statement about about 25, 30 or 35 weeks and went straight into saying it's the decision of the person with the womb. See suddenly it's not her decision anymore.
No one is forcing anything here! It's her choice and its a free choice. No one can drag her to the clinic and force her, although it has happened when mother found out she was pregnant and really did drag her there against her will because she was underage. Yes, many girls have been forced to abort.
It really is. Witness a birth then tell anyone it's not the woman's body involved, let alone a caesarian or a birth with complications.
I've witnessed the birth of three of my children. I know what it does to a women's body and I know that a new body comes out. I do believe abortion needs to be legal, it's just at what point should it be legal?
No it isn't! She didn't get pregnant on her own, the father should have a say.
Yeah... it's unfair either way. The father gets a say... but doesn't have to risk his life or endure any pain for his "say" but the mother does or the father doesn't get a say and he doesn't get to choose whether his offspring enter the world.
Sucks eh? There is no way to make it fair so I'm gonna go with the woman's right to control what happens to her body over a man's right to decide whether he reproduces or not.
It is legal, the answer is simple you can't force a woman to give birth.
the woman inside the women's womb, her body isn't yours to chose. im ok with exceptions for health reasons , rape or incest. but most abortions world wide are gender based . girls die . followed up by those who say they aren't ready for a child yet. those two reasons are unacceptable in my view.
Yes, in India (and I would assume China too); areas with high population, abortions are had when it is learned the child is female. This is to preserve the family name, I suppose.
Perhaps abortions only legal up until the point that gender is determined?
If only, if only, someone could come around and invent transporters. That way, fetuses can be transported out of the mother's body, and late-term abortions would be encouraged, because both would get to live
Beam me out, Scotty!
No one is dictating here, its just a question of yes or no. I say no to abortion under any circustances. As a victim myself I chose wisely. It's enough victims have been violated by the criminal, now under the most post traumatic stress condition, she makes a decision to kill her baby. Yes, that baby is hers too and you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Adopt it out and live with a clear conscience. Our vets come home from war and are told it will take a while for the PTS to settle down or be treated. Making life threatening decisions under such stressful pressures is wrong. The mother has been violated once and the quick abortion under stressful circumstances allows herself to be violated again with a surgical procedure that affects the rest of her life. The baby didn't commit the crime, why should it die because the mother was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The innocents should live and the guilty ones should suffer for the crime, not the other way around.
The mother was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
That's an extremely loaded judgment, whether you intended it as such or not.
What if the mother is a 13-year-old girl who has been sexually abused by her father since the age of 5?
Would you say she was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
I would say she was a child whose innocence was stolen from her.
She has been systematically victimized by her own flesh and blood.
What are the chances that her rapist is going to be prosecuted? Small.
What are the chances that the child, a product of incest, is going to be normal? Small.
Should the father, since she is a minor, be the one making the decision about what happens to his
"progeny"? No. He is a criminal. He should have no rights in this situation. Nor should any rapist have any rights to "visitation" of children they father.
If individuals want to turn back the clock and live in the1950s, that's their choice.
But the rest of us live in 2012.
MM, YOU and I KNOW this. It is utterly a futile practice presenting a comprehensive and logical argument to some people. They are going to be adamant regarding their premise although there are evidential fallacies in their argument. I am just nonplussed at some prolifers. Abortion is necessary in certain incidents i.e. rape, incest, an unplanned teenaged pregnancy etc.
I am staunchly prochoice and shall remain so until I am on my death bed. I have tried to tell people regarding the right of a woman to have an abortion if she wishes to. The premise of being antiabortion is subconscious belief that a girl/woman should "suffer" if she has sex beyond the societal parameters.
There is a need in some prolifers, not all, to punish the girl/woman. It is the Eve syndrome i.e. the mythical Eve tempted the mythical Adam, so she is punished for "luring" him. Many traditionalists and conversatives innately believe that "good" girls/women do not have unplanned and/or unexpected pregnancies- that is only for "bad" girls/women. In other words, the "bad" girl/woman should "suffer" for her "sin".
I am not sure why posters to these threads are so PC in their replies to the harridans who want control over other peoples decisions.
A foetus is just that, a collection of cells that may develop into a human being. Killing these cells to stop the process has plenty of natural precurosrs - natural miscarriage in cases of response to outside stimulus, such as starvation, stress etc.
The point at which a viable child is recognised is extremely early in the process due to the need to accomodate the (generally) feminist or misinformed religious sections of society. Until the foetus is able to think then it sure as hell doesn't care, and neither should we.
If you want a baby then go for it - if I don't then leave me alone as everything up to the point of introducing a living breathing person into the world is my decision only.
Oh boy, you are opening a can of worms here ... abortion should be illegal, even in cases of rape. Gasp! I know, right? What a horrible thing for me to say. Well, last time I checked, that baby did not do the raping, why should he/she be killed over it? Every child in the womb has the right to life that every other human being has, regardless of how he/she came to be conceived. Life begins at conception, there's just no way around it, you cannot disprove that point try as you like, which I'm sure many many people will.
And as far as the woman having a right to do what she wants with her body? It's not her body. It's that child's body that is being destroyed and removed. Completely different set of DNA. If it's not okay to kill your 2 year old because you just don't want him/her anymore or can't afford to take care of them, then it should not be okay to kill a child in the womb. The solution is called adoption.
How many rape babies have to adopted. A lot I bet huh?
Probably, but so what? That baby will be making some desperate family out there very happy, no?
The more i think of the topic, the more i feel like i am going crazy...we are talking about life here........but my heart goes to those women who may be traumatized by carrying that pregnancy around..
Although in theory, your stance is great, we have to also consider the mental and psychological health of the woman carrying the fetus of violent intent.
I do not think abortion is the answer, but would we just induce a coma for the duration of the birth, take the baby and adopt her/him out and then wake up the victim of the abuse and attack?
The baby has the right to live, but so does the mother, doesn't she?
Of course, and there should definitely be some counseling involved there! Help this woman to realize that out of this horrific act, something beautiful will emerge and if she decides to put the baby up for adoption (which she most likely will) she is doing something amazing for a family out there somewhere desperate for a child. Beauty from ashes
There are more choices today for a rape victim carrying an unwanted child than ever before. The mother has the right to seek them out or better yet allowing someone to suggest a better choice than killing her own flesh. A mother is a mother no matter how she has concieved.
The issue of abortion will never be resolved because one side is arguing it as a basis of rights and the other is arguing on the basis of morality...not the same discussion. The only winning solution will find some level of moral value while perserving some level of rights. The umbrella of abortion at present is far too broad extending to the partial birth level and further complicating the situation. Certainly there are considerations well worth weighing in terms of " womens rights" when considering the circumstances of rape or incest. At the same time, we also might think about the "rights" of the unborn child as we make that evaluation. In terms of morality, no doubt, over time, abortion has become a service of convenience and a way out of for those who might approach the pleasures of sex a bit too casually. One might consider the percent of cases in which rape or incest is a factor against the backdrop of the total annual number of abortions to get a picture. I have not seen those numbers nor do I know if they exist. I do know the issue will be resolved by either side with the current approach. That is not to say that I am necessarily arguing for either one but simply pointing out the abyss in the discussion. ~WB
I thought we already came to the solution, that it will be resolved once someone invents transporters.
You can transport out unwanted fetuses into women who want a baby, but cannot conceive.
You can transport out unwanted late-term fetuses, and they'll get to live. W00t. Go Star Trek!
i keep seeing this" unwanted fetus " term. the cure for cancer will never make it out of the womb. it will die unwanted. im willing to bend. but abortion for the lack of want. is something i cant be a party to. ever.. my son is young . his girlfriend was young. when he got her pregnant everyone was calling for abortion. not me tho. i talked to my son. i said its not about being ready or not. its about stepping up to the plate . its about personal accountability. its family not a fetus. my granddaughter is three now. not a single one of those that advised abortion will admit that now. lilly is the future of our family. the prize, the queen.. we will all lay down our lives for this once unwanted child.
I am pro life. I am so against abortion that I favor contraception for anyone of any age without parental consent. At this point there is no other way to turn the numbers sharply downward. I would work hand in hand with any pro choice person in this endeavor.
Did you guys know that U.S. women abort more than all the world combined? Imagine all those children concieved in the U.S. are aborted while other children come to the U.S. and replace them. There is education, protection for all, no child should be terminated because Dad forgot his protection or the mother was caught at a bad time. It's not the child's fault so why does the child have to die? Rape victims are severly stressed after the incident for months and years, no rape victim should have to make an abortion under such stressful circumstances. Our war veterens come home from trauma and for them its PTS, and we provide them with help to overcome the trauma. The same should be for a rape vicitm rather than let the government pay for a doctor to eliminate the child of such a horrible crime against its mother. The rapist should be punished or made accountable not the mother and fetus. In the long run of course she must make that decision, its her body,her conscience and her child. Thats a heavy load to bear under such stress. There is assistance out there besides abortion. Why violate the mother's body again with a violent abortion? She and the child are the true victims, Mothers do not kill thier babies, its a regretful action for a very long time.
You know I really don't see what the problem is.
If God exists and a woman has an abortion... the baby goes to heaven and the women burns in hell forever. Since the goal of a religious person's life is to end up in heaven then they should be happy that the baby didn't go through all the tortures of life and... in effect... passes go and collects 200 dollars on the first roll. As an extra bonus the women-who is quite obviously Satan incarnate-spends eternity in horrible agony just the way that you--- er God--- believes it should be.
If God doesn't exist and a women gets an abortion then nothing happens except the potential for a wonderful human being - or a mass murderer- is snuffed out. Sad maybe but if there is no God and no soul then it really isn't any different than using birth control.
I take the position of "I don't believe in abortion therefore I won't get one". What anyone else does is squarely between them and their own conscious... If there is a God it is HIS job to decide the morality of it. If I start walking on water or creating burning bushes then I may choose to try to enforce my PERSONAL opinions.
I don't know what kind of God you speak of, the God I know is ALL FORGIVING. Even the rapist and the abortionist are forgiven. No one is enforcing any personal opinions here, its FREE SPEECH and exchange of wonderful ideas between adults who seek other ideas on any subject. We can start another thread on WHETHER THERE IS A GOD OR A SOUL! We follow our own morality if we have one, but the innocent fetus only has his life, without it he doesn't know about morality anyway.
I'm sure there is a reason you are "screaming" at me. I don't know what it is... but I'm sure there is one.
The point I was making that if there is a god then the "moral" implications of that are between him/her/they/it and the mother. It is no one else's concern.
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